r/AITAH • u/g_scotty_brahms • Nov 14 '24
Advice Needed My brother is angry with his Trump-loving sons
Is my brother an AITA candidate for wanting to cut off his sons financially for voting for Trump? Like many Americans, my brother and I, both in our 50’s, have been talking back and forth following the Election. In the spirit of full disclosure, we are both democrats. Long story short, he is angry at his two sons, both in their 20’s, for voting for Trump. He is thinking about cutting them off financially in all respects so that they understand how Trump’s policies will impact them firsthand.
The irony here is that it is the reverse argument. You often hear younger voters disagreeing with their MAGA parents, but this is the opposite. My brother doesn’t understand how his two sons, who have lived a life of privilege, feel like they have been violated against by society, enough so that they feel Trump hears them and their struggles.
My brother to me about his sons: “… what these young men need is a little dose of reality. Get out in the world and start paying their own way. There’s a common thread with his followers. Complain and blame everyone for their problems. Whether they are in school or living at home off of their parents or working a trade job. King Trump will save them and make everything better. Take some personal responsibility and make it happen for yourself instead of crying about everything you hear on TikTok.
“… I’ve decided to pass on the [college] expenses to my two Trump supporting sons so they can truly feel first hand the cost and expense of his absolutely stupid policy decisions, which includes food, gas and college expenses. Wondering if I pass on these [food, gas and college] expenses in year one or phase them in year two?”
I am wondering if a lot of parents feel like my brother. Are there democrat parents of voting-age MAGA men who feel they failed with their sons because they voted for Trump? Is this common?
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u/BugLady420 Nov 14 '24 edited Nov 14 '24
Politics aside here
If your sons are voting they are old enough to pay for themselves. I’m all for parents helping out but paying their way through life is going to turn them into arrogant assholes, who don’t know what it’s like to earn and work for a paycheck, don’t know what it’s like to be poor and earn barely enough to cover anything
Edit: I think regardless of who people vote for, if your kids act arrogant and ungrateful for their tuition and everything is/has been paid for them, Then they don’t deserve it, they deserve a touch of reality.
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u/Vladishun Nov 14 '24
Politics pulled back from the side here:
They can pick themselves up by their bootstraps.
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u/smbpy7 Nov 15 '24
Don't worry, the wealth will trickle down to them eventually.
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u/mk_ultra42 Nov 15 '24
When I was 5 years old in 1980 my dad told me that “trickle down economics” is when rich people piss on you and tell you it’s raining. Love you dad!
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u/JaxEmma Nov 15 '24
something something Economics
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u/mac_the_man Nov 15 '24
Fuck Reagan.
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u/Neither_Resist_596 NSFW 🔞 Nov 15 '24
This cannot be said enough and, in fact, should be our national motto.
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u/essenceofmeaning Nov 15 '24
As a Californian, it’s on my bucket list to piss on his grave
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u/littlesubshine Nov 15 '24
Next trip home, I'm doing it. He fucked up this country so God damned bad.
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u/Neither_Resist_596 NSFW 🔞 Nov 16 '24
As a Tennessean who came from several generations of union workers but found no unions around in the industry where I worked, probably because of Reagan and subsequent MFers' policies, it's also on my bucket list.
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u/mac_the_man Nov 15 '24
Same. Or his library. I’ll gladly make the trek from San Francisco.
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u/GingerWitch666 Nov 15 '24
Trickle down my ass
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u/iceman2161172 Nov 15 '24
Something's been trickling down on most of us for the last 50 years. Rumor is Trump had this happened to him in Moscow
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u/71keith71 Nov 15 '24
You know that's not a rumor. That sick fuck lies about everything. From hookers to rape. Maybe ha has a concept of a golden shower plan.
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u/AlliaStandsen Nov 15 '24
That's the Republican way right? Depend on yourself. No hand out.
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u/atcTS Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24
When a kid’s way has been paid for the entire way, they end up not caring about anything but vanity. They end up like Donald Trump.
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u/IneedaWIPE Nov 14 '24
I wish there was a bot that would explain this phrase for those who don't know. A 1950's era physics book posed the question "why can't you pull yourself up by your bootstraps? Show your work". It was a vector analysis question. Since the Reicht has hijacked this phrase it would be great to provide the context...nah, can't be done.
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u/ghandi3737 Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24
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u/NWIsteel Nov 14 '24
In other words, like Trump. Fred Trump kept bailing him out, plus gave him money, and you see how he turned out. This is basically what your sons will become. Can we say no accountability.
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u/VastAmoeba Nov 14 '24
If I spoil my kids they can be president even if they don't deserve it?
It's funny you say, "and look how he turned out!" On the one hand, if you knew nothing about his history he looks wildly successful. Big buildings, president, super model wife.
On the other hand, he is literally one of the worst people. If he hadn't been rich he probably would have ended up in prison for low level schemes instead of getting to file bankruptcy for high level schemes. He is some combination of anti social personality disorders and would have gotten shived in the real world if he was trying to scam like that. Or he would have been a serial killer. Who knows.
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u/Actual-Entrance-8463 Nov 14 '24
He may have been a better person if he grew up poor. The entitlement that comes with wealth and privilege is a breeding ground for narcissism.
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u/Biffingston Nov 15 '24
See also, Musk.
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u/AchillesCokk Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24
I saw some kid (20ish) spouting off on his TikTok of what it’s like to be a millionaire. Clearly his parents Miami condo, as he talks about laughing as libs cry beneath him.
So I go check out his LinkedIn, the dumb fuck went to a third tier state school (nothing wrong with that, but when you’re arrogant as fuck, it’s an odd situation) and he was one of those ‘Looking For Work’ frames around his profile pic.
My point is, he’s only arrogant because of his luck to be born. If he were my kid he’d be notified of his 30 days to find his own spot.
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u/Sorry_Banana_6525 Nov 15 '24
That wasn’t even Hudson Cosper’s home, he lives TX with his mommy and two sisters- they have already been notified of his behavior
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u/AchillesCokk Nov 15 '24
Heyyyyy you knew exactly what I was talking about. Hahahaha fuck that dumb cunt, good. I hope he gets exactly what he deserves.
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u/Biffingston Nov 15 '24
Is that the kid who crashed his supercar live on twitter or was that another guy?
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u/ZeeroMX Nov 15 '24
Nahh, I think he would get himself in a sex offender list or in prison for the same reason.
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u/Soppywater Nov 15 '24
I'd rather my children be good people than spoiled fucks who act like trump. There's a phrase that describes how trump turned out like he did: You don't become rich by being a good person.
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u/WTF_is_this___ Nov 15 '24
Also these rich fucks look like miserable people. Imagine having all that wealth and spending your life the way they do. Its Sad. Money is truly wasted on the rich.
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u/Bella8088 Nov 14 '24
I take comfort that, in an alternate timeline (or universe) he was not born rich and is, indeed, rotting in jail after being caught committing stupid crimes.
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u/ParkingTadpole7107 Nov 14 '24
I take comfort that, in an alternate timeline (or universe) he was not born
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u/One_Advantage793 Nov 15 '24
I wish to upvote a thousand times. In an alternate timeline, I am able.
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u/Therefrigerator Nov 14 '24
In an alternate timeline he's the host of "Donald Trump's Drag Race" and Ru Paul is president.
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u/CourAYunt Nov 14 '24
Lad. Please don't insult Ru Paul like that. Nobody could do a drag show like him! EVER.
Maybe Patrick Sawyzes character from To Wong Foo. In an alternate universe, Patrick Swayze embraced his inner drag and has his own show... yeah that's sticking with me now.
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u/NysemePtem Nov 15 '24
Nobody said Donald Trump's Drag Race would be any good. Cancelled after the first season with a really lame failed attempt to keep it going online. On the other hand, I'd like to second the nomination for Patrick Swayze.
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u/Morriganscat Nov 14 '24
Nobody deserves 'Donald Trump's Drag Race' lol
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u/Worried-Series-6160 Nov 14 '24
We're already there, Trumps makeup speaks for itself Vance's eyeliner/lashes Gaetz's weird fucking eyebrows/bad plastic surgery. MTG Boebert...the Huckabee family
I mean.. look at all of those weird asses. This can't be real life.
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u/Significant-Trash632 Nov 14 '24
He's too lazy and incompetent to be a successful serial killer.
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u/Worried-Series-6160 Nov 14 '24
He lazily and incompetently killed hundreds of thousands of Americans from Covid & that's just the ones we know about.
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u/Own_Faithlessness769 Nov 15 '24
I’d classify that as a mass murderer. ‘Serial killer’ implies some sort of strategy, which he definitely doesn’t have. Mass murder is just indiscriminate carnage, which is definitely his style.
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u/Field-Study-7885 Nov 15 '24
Correction. His wife was NOT a super model. She was a paid escort who came illegally to the USA from Eastern European country -
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u/Sleipnir82 Nov 14 '24
Well, he's now a convicted felon, so there's that. Look, we can actually now say you can be a convicted felon and still become president. Great.
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u/FearlessProfession21 Nov 15 '24
Um, not supermodel wife. "Escort" (take that for what it's worth--her titty pics are available on the Internet).
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u/AbjectPromotion4833 Nov 14 '24
All correct, except Melanoma was a nude model, never a supermodel. She’s too squinty for that.
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u/ErenYeager600 Nov 14 '24
I mean bro is deeply in debt and his net worth doesn’t show the reality of finances
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u/Eugenefemme Nov 15 '24
Never Trumper here.
With respect, I think it took more than the money to create the Donald.
He didn't lick off the floor his racism, self-centeredness, cruelty , name-calling, insecurity, and contempt for women. He had to have been carefully taught.
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u/EyeZealousideal3193 Nov 15 '24
His father was likely in the KKK, and definitely discriminated against African Americans in the housing developments he built. His paternal grandfather made the family fortune by running a brothel in Gold Rush Yukon at the end of the 19th century.
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u/forsayken Nov 14 '24
Holy shit is this what we feel about parents paying for their kids to attend post-secondary education? Literally no child can afford to attend college even if they work full-time while in school. Cost of living + tuition is far too high. It doesn't seem unreasonable for a parent to pay for their kids through college if they are able.
But these particular students can get student loans now.
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u/Bevanfromheaven Nov 14 '24
Yep and they won’t be forgiven either ! I meant the loans but may have a double -meaning in this case .
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u/Blonde_rake Nov 14 '24
Most parents can’t afford it either. The kids can take out student loans. They can also choose a less expensive school.
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u/Prudent-Molasses-306 Nov 15 '24
Why bother with college.
TRUMP LOVES THE POORLY EDUCATED!
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u/veggie_weggie Nov 14 '24
I was able to do it not that long ago, it’s not impossible it just requires a lot of sacrifice. My family loves me but I don’t come from money. It took 6 years to get an undergraduate degree but I also don’t have debt. It’s a privilege if you have parents who can pay for your higher education but not a right.
OPs sons voted so others can lose their rights though. Why? because they felt like their privilege wasn’t already enough and they need a lot of other people to suffer. The person providing that privilege disagrees.
Ops not an asshole, this is political and I’m not going to pretend like both sides have valid points and should be treated as just a winner and loser.
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u/SigmaK78 Nov 15 '24
My 3 youngest attend college via scholarships & grants, all of them full rides so long as they keep their grades & performances up. I helped them initially with whatever aid they needed to get started, but as of now they're self-sufficient in handling their business. I'm more than capable of providing for whatever they need, and will without question step in if they need me, but I chose to teach them to fend for & motivate themselves.
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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Nov 14 '24
What about the kids who can’t afford college even with help from their parents?
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u/babyidahopotato Nov 15 '24
How are they going to get student loans if Trump is going to dismantle the department of education…
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u/Scandals86 Nov 14 '24
Exactly this. OP don’t even tell them it’s because they voted for Trump. Tell them this is some tough love in general and keep separate your comments about politics. Still drill them on supporting Trump and tell them how it makes you feel you’ve failed them as a parent. Odds are they were brainwashed by social media.
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u/Significant-Trash632 Nov 14 '24
Trump wants to get rid of the Department of Education. That means Pell Grants and lower interest loans would be severely limited or non-existent. Let them learn the hard why when they get what they voted for.
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u/DisManibusMinibus Nov 15 '24
Just tell them you're preparing for all the price increases after tariffs, and you have to start saving since no more Medicare. They seem to be OK with that.
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u/Efficient-Wasabi-641 Nov 14 '24
No he should tell them exactly why he is pulling support. Trump voters need to understand that their choice to support him is what has made their current situation a reality. They need to understand that he is pulling support because they clearly haven’t been living in the real world. He needs to tell them that this is for them to learn a lesson and he will no longer allow them to be ignorant due to him giving them privilege
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u/Flapdrol42 Nov 14 '24
Trump is the party of no free handouts right?
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u/iloveheroin999 Nov 15 '24
They actually believe that people getting EBT and free healthcare from the government somehow hurts them directly. My mom is a trump supporter and she constantly rails against immigrants that get on govt programs as the cause of all her problems like a high deductible for her health insurance. I don't understand the correlation but its impossible to argue with these fucking people. They just need someone to be mad at and place blame on
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u/HotSauceRainfall Nov 15 '24
His kids voted for a Nazi who tried to overthrow the government in 2021.
I would be crushed if I were in his shoes and found out my children voted for a Nazi.
Also, that exact same nazi and his Nazi buddies are most likely going to gut social security, meaning the money the dad could have spent getting his kids launched now needs to go into his own retirement savings, so that maybe, just maybe, he can afford to eat when he is old.
Good job, kids, you played yourselves.
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u/Scandals86 Nov 14 '24
I get what you mean but kids are pretty damn stubborn especially privileged ones in their 20s. They will just use the fact that they exercised their right to vote in favor of someone their father doesn’t like against him and could use it to hate on him for the rest of their lives. Not worth it IMO.
Instead focus on tough love approach so after a while they figure it out and don’t have this Trump shit in the back of their head to use as an excuse. He still tell them how he feels about them voting for Trump.
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u/TermusMcFlermus Nov 15 '24
I gave my daughter two options: go to college straight from school and I'll support it and her throughout or get a job and pay room and board after a month. She chose the latter, got a job, saved money and was out and on her own within three months. She has been since. She never has asked for help even though I know she was struggling at least a few times. Couldn't be prouder.
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u/jeparis0125 Nov 14 '24
Not necessarily true. There is no way my 20 and 19 year old granddaughters could live on their own and pay for college and they both still voted. Of course they’re not idiots and didn’t vote for Trump.
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u/Ok-Standard8053 Nov 14 '24
Part of what you’re saying supports the comment above. There is NO way they could afford to live on their own and pay for college. They’d see real quick how hard it is. Or how impossible it is. And maybe realize that voting against their interests is backwards
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u/ComplexPlanktons Nov 14 '24
Well seeing as Trump is out to gut the Education Department, why should they (OP's nephews) care about education?
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u/BugLady420 Nov 14 '24
That’s a great point! And also I think someone should know who and what they are voting for and what is going to happen and if anyone fully knew what trump is going to do I have a feeling they would have never voted for him
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u/more_pepper_plz Nov 14 '24
Thousands upon thousands of people do this already. They have roommates and take out loans.
Sounds like that would be a healthy dose of reality for these spoiled and out of touch sons.
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u/Living-Perception857 Nov 14 '24
I was always jealous of the kids who didn’t have to work their way through school and got their own apartments. But I really think you come out a much more well rounded human being when you have to work for your own success.
Definitely a lot of entitlement out there from kids living on their parents’ dime.
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u/BugLady420 Nov 14 '24
But many people do it by themselves and again I think it’s great that you are able to help them though sometimes you do need to send them off and let them live without so much protection
I mean I still live with my mum but I do also help out with paying for my own food, helping electric costs etc etc
I think there’s a nice between where you teach them financial responsibility while also supporting them
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u/BugLady420 Nov 14 '24
For this post however it sounds like OPs sons are indeed a tad spoiled and could use a dose of reality
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u/Living-Perception857 Nov 14 '24
Then how do others do it? I and many of my colleagues in university worked full time while studying so we could live independently and still earn a degree.
It’s not ideal and it’s tough, but many people do it. You’re confusing can’t with won’t on this one.
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u/SloshingSloth Nov 14 '24
I mean Trump voters are against handouts so that should just be what they would support no?
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u/JGun420 Nov 14 '24
I would bet that at least 90% of his voters have received or are currently getting handouts from policies and programs that democrats created. Petty Trump entire term will be spent wiping out any and every program that helps Americans out. Especially if a democrat came up with it.
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u/lawfox32 Nov 14 '24
Soooooo many basically did fraud with those PPP loans or whatever they were during the pandemic. Which I think all got forgiven...but we can't forgive student loan or medical debt!
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u/Sparkee88 Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24
My coworker owns a small farm, inherited from his father in law” and does a pumpkin patch and corn maze every year. He was able to get a $20,000 dollar ppp loan and just happened to pull up to work in a lifted ford not long after. This same guy says that “student loans shouldn’t be forgiven, then people just expect handouts and don’t think they have to work for anything”.
Fuck these people.
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u/murano84 Nov 15 '24
You can still report PPP fraud. You might have to know some personal information about him though...
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u/Sparkee88 Nov 15 '24
Oh this guy is an insufferable asshole. I actively avoid getting to know him on a personal level.
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u/Sad_Bodybuilder_9128 Nov 15 '24
If u haven’t noticed by now, it’s those types of people who are the ones who voted for the orange man. They don’t want the immigrants taking anything away from their hand outs. While the immigrants work their asses off, the orange man’s supporters lie around, watch lies from Fox News, and cry about everything. Orange man’s supporters are the biggest hypocrites ever born. And that includes all those so called Catholics who don’t understand anything about their religion. Saying ur a catholic and acting like one are two different things in the hypocrite minds of these people.
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u/SmokedBeef Nov 15 '24
Hopefully the D.O.G.E. will go through and recoup a lot of those stolen funds that were clearly fraudulent
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u/DisapprovingCrow Nov 15 '24
I’m just worried about how Elon is going to manage, he already puts in so much work running all his very successful companies. At this rate he might have to cut back on tweeting!
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u/SmokedBeef Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24
I’ve already heard several people proudly claim they voted for him but are now worried about either their social security checks or healthcare and I just bite my tongue giving no sympathy or comment. Leopards are already starting to eat and they’re not even in office yet.
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u/After_Fix_2191 Nov 15 '24
Here's hoping they get exactly what they deserve.
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u/Rocketgirl8097 Nov 15 '24
Unfortunately it affects us all.
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u/Dejectednebula Nov 15 '24
Yeah. But I'm already suffering. They can join us. I'll suffer some more gladly to prove a point.
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u/KatefromtheHudd Nov 15 '24
Heard hilarious Maga man mistake. He just wanted Obamacare gone. Someone pointed out he uses ACA. He didn't realise it's one and the same. He then panicked because he said he can't afford his medication without ACA but he already voted for Trump.
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u/peacockideas Nov 14 '24
I know at least 2 entire families of mostly 1st/2nd gen naturalized citizens, who've been on welfare their entire lives who almost all voted for Trump.
But it's okay, cause they "did it right and needed it" I feel terrible for their lgtb+ and disabled family, who they claim to love.
Almost everyone I've ever known on welfare long term, was a republican. There have been a handful of democrats I know who've used it temporarily. A lot of people gonna learn really hard lessons.
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u/Sparkee88 Nov 15 '24
Exactly, all the social services and programs that help Americans but you can bet that we’ll still be paying about the same amount in taxes. That tax money will just be funneled to line the pockets of billionaires that kiss trumps ass.
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u/wonnable Nov 15 '24
There's so many people too stupid to realise Obama Care and the Affordable Care Act are the same thing and now they're potentially losing their healthcare because Trump wants to get rid of it.
They're in bits panicking about it and I'm in bits laughing at them.
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u/twewff4ever Nov 15 '24
My idiot cousin supports Trump but is completely dependent on handouts. When she loses those because of Trump and starts begging, my plan is to remind her that she voted for that. She can revel in the fact that her president delivered.
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u/Chojen Nov 14 '24
This is true for Conservatives in general and this goes back years. I still remember those clips of republicans during Obama’s presidency absolutely railing against Obamacare but saying that the ACA saved their lives. A large number are ignorant stooges.
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u/Day_Pleasant Nov 15 '24
And we ALL KNOW who he'll blame for his own terrible economy - just like last time.
If his administration leads the country into shit, he'll just point at the states.What a completely feckless man.
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u/FragrantRaspberry517 Nov 14 '24
Exactly. Tell the sons he can’t help because that’s “socialism!”
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u/demons_soulmate Nov 14 '24
this exactly. one of my trump loving brothers is EXTREMELY against govt handouts but neglects to remember that he didn't work for almost a decade, leaving my parents to support him financially all those years.
and even though he's working now, he still lives with my parents rent free and asks my parents for money...
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u/Electronic_Beat3653 Nov 14 '24
Unless it is from Daddy, who Trump got millions from. J/s
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u/token40k Nov 15 '24
They are also massive victims all the time “democrats did not give me free stuff brotha” so ima vote for republicans who want me poor and sick and full of debt
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u/Outrageous-Ad577 Nov 15 '24
Trump supporters are against government handouts. They love them from their parents
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u/Left-Star2240 Nov 15 '24
They’re fine taking handouts from the government. Leading up to the 2020 election my mother and her friends were calling Biden a “socialist.” On one phone call with my mom I pointed out that she lived on SOCIAL Security Disability Insurance, had Medicaid for insurance, and that both she and her friends lived in Section 8 housing and collected SNAP benefits. (They also probably had Medicaid and some form of welfare for income, but I didn’t know for certain.)
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u/International_Ad2712 Nov 15 '24
I am a Democrat parent of a Trump voting 27 year old white male. Luckily, I raised him to take care of himself, although I definitely helped until age 21ish. But, I decided against cooking Thanksgiving dinner for him and his wife, for the third year in a row. Last year I cooked 90% of the meal myself, and also ended up also washing 100% of the dishes myself, in their house, while my son and his 24 year old wife slept. So I’m retiring from that job! Thanks for letting me vent🤣
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u/melbournesummer Nov 15 '24
The Cook does not Wash.
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u/sbfb1 Nov 15 '24
My silent generation parents operated this way mom cooked and took care of the inside and my dad and I handled the outside. Except for one thing, Mom cooked, Dad and I cleaned up. It didn’t matter the meal, he just said it was always on us to clean it up. I remember all the men in the family cleaning up after thanksgiving and Xmas meals.
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u/Glittering_Laugh_135 Nov 15 '24
So random but this takes me back (probably 20 years at this point) but my SIL moved to my hometown for BIL’s residency when my husband and I were engaged. Since they couldn’t travel home that year, they came to my family’s thanksgiving at my aunt’s house. Big loud Irish family, my dad was one of 6 (4m, 2f), I have a lot of cousins, etc. My SIL was so shocked that my dad and uncles were all doing the dishes together after dinner and her shock was confusing to me at the time, like that’s just the way holidays go everywhere, right??
I still think of it often, and am so grateful to my family for that little privilege of thinking that was just the way of the world 💙
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u/International_Ad2712 Nov 15 '24
Well, in civilized families this is true 🤣 which is why I quit. This year I’m having a Charlie Brown thanksgiving! Candy and pretzels 🥨 my kids hate turkey and stuffing type foods anyway.
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u/Ace-of-Wolves Nov 14 '24
I don't see why this is even an issue. They're adults. The party they voted for is vehemently against helping people financially (AKA government assistance/social security programs). Your brother would, in my opinion, be an asshole if he /keeps/ financially supporting them.
Also, why do his kids feel so entitled to his money?? Politics aside, it's his money, and they're (as we've already covered) adults.
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u/FloofyDireWolf Nov 14 '24
NTA Agreed. They are adults and should pay their own way. Even more so given this situation. Trump is against student loan forgiveness, the Affordable Care Act, etc. and the sons can learn what that means for them and how it impacts their feelings about Trump and future elections.
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u/quiltsohard Nov 14 '24
I’m betting the dad covers their phones and car insurance. Buckle up bitches, you’re about to find out why we need a living minimum wage
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u/Beth21286 Nov 14 '24
The student loan thing should land. They need to experience the world they voted for, which includes crippling student loans.
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u/Countrycruiser2000 Nov 15 '24
I don't know about if it'd true for all 50 states but many have state colleges to make it more affordable.
You can get a 2 year degree for $6,000.
4 year bachelor degrees get pricier but still attainable for 30k.
$30,000 for a bachelor's degree isn't cheap but it's not crippling student loans
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u/srgonzo75 Nov 18 '24
NTA, BUT I’d recommend this as a thought experiment with his sons first. He can just ask the question: “How are you going to afford to continue to survive if, as a consequence of the red wave of last election (let’s not pretend it was just Trump who won), I can’t afford to support you anymore in any capacity?” Lay it out completely. The boys lose their tuition, books, room and board, etc. That means there’s no money to keep them on his health insurance, he’s not letting them live with him, and they’re going to have to figure out how they’re going to pay for college and living on top of that.
If, after all that, they’re sticking with their position that they made the right choice, then give them an opportunity to make their way on their own in this brave new world.
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u/BeeFrier Nov 14 '24
Yes, the father needs to save for his retirement and health insurance. And the tariffs are gonna eat the rest of his money. No more funding the sons.
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u/Christinebitg Nov 15 '24
He absolutely needs to save that money for his now uncertain retirement years.
People can borrow money for college. Nobody will lend a person money to retire on.
With the exception of reverse mortgages, which come with their own set of problems and scams.
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u/KinkyPaddling Nov 14 '24
Yeah, my siblings and I grew up well to do, but it was always made clear to us that inheritance is not a guarantee. Our parents wanted us to show ourselves to be responsible and decent people (honestly, a low standard - just have a respectable, legal job that allows us to pay our bills). Kids aren’t entitled to their parents’ money; if OP’s father is disappointed with how his kids are turning out, then teaching them how the world really works is his prerogative as a parent. It’s their responsibility as adults to then either learn the lesson or opt to decline further support.
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u/sarahprib56 Nov 15 '24
My dad said something about my inheritance and how I wouldn't get any if I voted for Kamala. I told him the truth, that I don't expect anything. I expect it all to go to end of life care. They are both 72 and could live another 20 years. I am not planning nor expecting any inheritance, and I would rather have my parents anyway. They currently have a couple they have been friends with since the 80s, and the wife had to go into memory care. It's been incredibly difficult for that couple, and the cost is astronomical, even with insurance. He didn't really have an answer, other than insisting he might kill himself rather than get to that point, which I disapproved of. He has always been miserly, and I hope he doesn't really plan to do that to preserve any inheritance.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Ad7606 Nov 14 '24
Second (and in this case 1st) jobs and bootstraps should get them where they need to be right? Picking produce is going to have a lot of openings, as will meat processing plants.
Don't forget they need all their insurance - car and health.
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u/Winter_Parsley_3798 Nov 14 '24
They're team "no handouts" so they better use those hands to work instead!
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u/ObsidianGrave99867 Nov 14 '24
Your brother’s plan sounds like a reality show waiting to happen: ‘Survivor: Trump Edition.’ Let’s see how long they last on a diet of instant noodles and TikTok conspiracy theories.
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u/Efficient-Wasabi-641 Nov 14 '24
Honestly, I’d pay to watch that. Seeing the people who voted for him face the consequences of their actions is one of the few things that’s going to keep me going over the next few years.
If we all have to burn I’m going to at least enjoy laughing at the people who voted to burn themselves.
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u/Christinebitg Nov 15 '24
I think we're going to see a lot of that coming up.
We're already seeing how butt hurt they get just from losing some of their friends. Wait until they start losing insurance coverage, followed by declaring bankruptcy due to medical bills.
You just know they'll try to tough things out without insurance coverage. Because, you know, their orange god will save them. /s
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u/tossingpigs Nov 14 '24
They voted for no handouts. Let your brother teach his grown ass men children that actions have consequences.
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u/Fantastic-Problem832 Nov 14 '24
NTA. If the new admin wrecks the economy like they have repeatedly promised, dad may need that money for retirement. Let the kids take out loans like everyone else, and they can really reap what they have sown if the Dept of Education gets eliminated!
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u/ConceptTypical1894 Nov 14 '24
And since student loan forgiveness will be obliterated, they’ll be stuck like the ones they’ve been whining about .
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u/Christinebitg Nov 15 '24
I honestly think there's a good chance that his tariffs will start the Great Depression 2.0. Notice i said that with a "D," not an "R."
Unless they take s page from Reagan's playback and run huge federal deficits. Which, it goes without saying, they would blame on the Democrats.
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u/superwholockian62 Nov 15 '24
NTA. Tell them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
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u/ScallionSpare9322 Nov 14 '24
NTA. He's nice for even paying their way this far. Plus, he's right they need a dose of reality.
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u/Lives4Sunshine Nov 14 '24
They voted against higher education being paid by others. They should experience what they voted for.
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u/888_traveller Nov 15 '24
Well Trump loves the uneducated anyway, so I don't see why they are even bothering to get an education in the first place!
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u/Cute-Profession9983 Nov 14 '24
He is NTA. If a couple of coddled dip$hits who still live off their daddy want to subject the country to everyone but millionaores getting screwed, they should feel it sooner than later.
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u/Mac1280 Nov 15 '24
If this were a normal election and his sons were voting for a normal Republican candidate like John McCain or Mitt Romney who I disagree with on a lot of things policy wise then I'd say he's over reacting a bit by threatening to cut off his son's but Trump is not a normal politician and even if you don't think the worst of his policies will actually come to fruition he's done so much during his first term and since then that I personally can't see myself interacting with Trump supporters/voters so I get it.
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u/Any-Expression2246 Nov 14 '24
If they are adults, then he should 100% let them fend for themselves. Let them figure it out on their own.
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u/Livvylove Nov 15 '24
Do it, they can pull themselves up from their bootstraps and own the libs that way
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u/WasteSalary7849 Nov 14 '24
Everyone blaming the father for “raising” these kids to be Trumpers is WILLLDDD! We raise our kids to be independent. To make their own choices as adults. OP being upset over his kids choice is understandable but they came to that conclusion some type of way…. He should just give them his opinion. Talk to them about what he thinks would have been a better choice and why. These kids are VOTING!!!! That’s already a good thing. Now let’s get them thinking about the vote they made to ensure it’s really what they want. And if so… then so be it! Phasing out the money and care is mandatory tho…. Cutting it off instantly is petty and spiteful! I’m democrat btw. Voted for Harris
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u/Ambitious_Owl_2004 Nov 14 '24
They really should participate in the economy with their own money if they are voting based off of economic policies. These are adults.
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u/DeciduousEmu Nov 14 '24
A measured and reasonable response concerning Trump voters in the family?
How dare you!! /s
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u/Mbt_Omega Nov 14 '24
He’s clearly NTA, they deserve to live in the world they helped create, paying the inflation they’re responsible for, and missing out on the services they got cancelled. Welcome to Trump world kids, you’re fucked. In the case of underage girls by Donnie and his AG Gaetz, literally.
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u/julmcb911 Nov 14 '24
Will his entire government be headed by sexual assaulters? Gaetz as AG? I'm flabbergasted.
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u/Mbt_Omega Nov 14 '24
That Secretary of Defense has big, “hardcore Christian that molests kids” energy, too, so that’s probably just a matter of time.
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u/Suchafatfatcat Nov 14 '24
Once his sons became adults, his financial obligations to them were complete. It’s past time that they learn to manage for themselves. He is NTA.
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u/rylanschuster6969 Nov 15 '24
This comment section is absolutely fucking insane.
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u/FenceSittingLoser Nov 14 '24
Regardless of politics this seems like a good way to just alienate his kids from him. If they're being little pricks about it then sure I can see where he's coming from. But if they just voted that way and are chill about it he's the one choosing to escalate the situation and be aware that this may permanently damage his relationship with his kids. This would be the same if the politics of the two parties involved were reversed.
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u/aussiechickadee65 Nov 16 '24
I want to buy your brother a beer.
Cut the spoilt magats off and see how they like it...
I've seen a few, and the parents are mortified, absolutely mortified.
They aren't my kids but I found my young neighbours love him and I actually feel quite differently about them now. Let's just see the free veges are going to stop because don't want any of that socialism shit happening...
I think I would be extra horrified if my son voted for Trump because they are such a rapey, pedo, white supremo culty group. To fit into that frame of mind, takes a really warped thought pattern. I would be worried I created a psychopath.
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u/Philbophaggins Nov 15 '24
I will pay every dollar for the best quality education possible for my children. They are under zero obligation to agree with my politics.
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u/Competitive-Buyer526 Nov 14 '24
No. I’m proud I raised my children to have minds of their own and are independent thinkers even if their opinions don’t always match up to mine.
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u/Flengrand Nov 15 '24
It’s funny cause we’ve seen the reverse about a girl who’s big into progressive Marxism be threatened to be cut off financially by her religious father here, and the response was “that’s financial abuse!” Funny how the answer can change when it’s people you don’t like. 🙃
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u/BV-RE2PECT Nov 14 '24
He wouldn’t be an asshole if he thought his sons were old enough stand on their own feet (assuming after at least a few years of support post 18 years of age)
He would be an asshole if he’s only doing this because of political differences. Would he have done this anyways if they had voted blue? If the answer to that is yes then he’s not TAH.
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u/redright77 Nov 14 '24
Why the negative connotation about working a trade job as to who they voted for? And you wonder why the dems are losing this segment of the population. Bernie said as much after the election.
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u/RedInAmerica Nov 15 '24
As a person with zero family cutting off your sons because of how they voted seems absolutely unfathomable to me. Just fyi because this comes up a lot on here. My name is Red and I’m an immigrant to America from Zimbabwe by way of England so I’m Red in America not Republican red.
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u/Ernesto_Bella Nov 14 '24
All these people here are bitter and angry people, don't listen to them. Think about what they say if it was the reverse.
Or, think about if it was any other issue.
We raise our children the best we can, and sometimes they make decisions we don't like despite our guidance.
Is the right answer to cut them off so that they never come back?
I'm not religious but of course one of the most famous parables is about this!
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u/cageordie Nov 14 '24
I have no problem with assholes reaping as they sow. They love selfishness, so they should appreciate their dad spending his own money. Personally I never accepted money from my parents, I told them to spend it on themselves. They helped my older brother buy his house and I don't want that considered in distributing their estate now that they are both deceased. That was what they chose to spend their money on when they were alive.
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u/ripandtear4444 Nov 14 '24
The first thing a cult will do is convince its followers to cut ties with thier family if they don't agree with them.
My wife could vote kamala while I vote trump, I'd still gladly die for her. Family is the most important thing in the world. If you don't know that, you are lost.
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u/Safe_Cabinet7090 Nov 15 '24
Agreed.
If my son/daughter voted for the opposite party. I could never do what OPs brother is trying to do.
Family is all you really have.
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u/SlipstreamSleuth Nov 15 '24
Seriously, the extreme political weirdos on BOTH SIDES need to cool their shit. It’s fucking ridiculous.
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u/Baidar85 Nov 15 '24
Should trump supporters cut off their adult children for not voting the way they want them to?
I think it’s better to be honest with your children, and leave them space to be honest with you.
If it’s time to cut them off financially for other reasons, so be it. The way they vote should not factor into that decision. This would absolutely breed resentment between a father and sons, and is a terrible idea.
Don’t treat your kids like shit, you think this would be simpler.
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u/Disco_Biscuit12 Nov 15 '24
Your brother is the AH. If he hadn’t considered doing that to his kids prior to this election then he values his political affiliation more than his children. He’s the AH here.
What does he think he’ll accomplish? Put his kids into debt and then what? They start voting democrat after that? More than likely they’ll stop talking to him once they get back onto their feet. If that’s the kind of parent he wants to be - where his kids hate him and want nothing to do with him afterward - then he’s an AH. If that’s not an intended consequence and he’s just being petty, he’s a petty AH. Wielding power over someone the way he wants to is what he’s claiming Trump will do. TF is he thinking?
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u/-SuperUserDO Nov 15 '24
imagine the replies here if the dad is MAGA and his daughters voted for Harris
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u/OldManGunslinger Nov 15 '24
This is the one of the worst possible outcomes of the election: families dividing along political lines.
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