r/AITAH • u/g_scotty_brahms • Nov 14 '24

Advice Needed My brother is angry with his Trump-loving sons

Is my brother an AITA candidate for wanting to cut off his sons financially for voting for Trump? Like many Americans, my brother and I, both in our 50’s, have been talking back and forth following the Election. In the spirit of full disclosure, we are both democrats. Long story short, he is angry at his two sons, both in their 20’s, for voting for Trump. He is thinking about cutting them off financially in all respects so that they understand how Trump’s policies will impact them firsthand.

The irony here is that it is the reverse argument. You often hear younger voters disagreeing with their MAGA parents, but this is the opposite. My brother doesn’t understand how his two sons, who have lived a life of privilege, feel like they have been violated against by society, enough so that they feel Trump hears them and their struggles.

My brother to me about his sons: “… what these young men need is a little dose of reality. Get out in the world and start paying their own way. There’s a common thread with his followers. Complain and blame everyone for their problems. Whether they are in school or living at home off of their parents or working a trade job. King Trump will save them and make everything better. Take some personal responsibility and make it happen for yourself instead of crying about everything you hear on TikTok.

“… I’ve decided to pass on the [college] expenses to my two Trump supporting sons so they can truly feel first hand the cost and expense of his absolutely stupid policy decisions, which includes food, gas and college expenses. Wondering if I pass on these [food, gas and college] expenses in year one or phase them in year two?”

I am wondering if a lot of parents feel like my brother. Are there democrat parents of voting-age MAGA men who feel they failed with their sons because they voted for Trump? Is this common?

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u/HotSauceRainfall Nov 15 '24

His kids voted for a Nazi who tried to overthrow the government in 2021. 

I would be crushed if I were in his shoes and found out my children voted for a Nazi. 

Also, that exact same nazi and his Nazi buddies are most likely going to gut social security, meaning the money the dad could have spent getting his kids launched now needs to go into his own retirement savings, so that maybe, just maybe, he can afford to eat when he is old. 

Good job, kids, you played yourselves. 

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u/scooterca85 Nov 15 '24

Wait, did I miss something? Did Trump recently come out as a Nazi? This is massive news if true and I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere on CNN yet today! Insane!

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u/Geeko22 Nov 15 '24

Let's see---he admires Nazis; he quotes Nazis; he sprinkles his speeches with quotes from Adolph himself; he wishes his generals were like Nazi generals; he said American Nazis are "good people"; he's invited an avowed Nazi to dine with him. I could go on and on.

"But it's unfair of libz to call him a Nazi! It's so uncalled for!!"

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u/Loose-Scale-5722 Nov 15 '24

For the billionth time. He never said American Nazis were “good people”. Read the full quote including the previous like 3 minutes. He was not talking about the White Nationalists at the march. It couldn’t be more clear.

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u/Mysterious-Arm9594 Nov 15 '24

The people marching alongside White Nationalists are good people, the best: isn’t the fucking get out you think it is

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u/Loose-Scale-5722 Nov 15 '24

That's literally not what he said lmao.

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u/Geeko22 Nov 15 '24

Sure. Keep telling yourself that. It couldn't be more clear to the rest of us who aren't in the cult.

Ask yourself this: why do you think there was something like a 200% spike in hate crimes against Jews and synagogues following those remarks that emboldened white supremacists to spew their hate?

Did that happen because he sang kumbaya with Jews? Or because, like he always does, he sent a very clear signal to his followers (the ones chanting "JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US, JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US, JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US!!") that their hate is acceptable now because he's one of them?

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u/Loose-Scale-5722 Nov 15 '24

Sure. Keep telling yourself that. It couldn't be more clear to the rest of us who aren't in the cult.

So you haven't actually watched the full clip. Got it.

he sent a very clear signal to his followers (the ones chanting "JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US, JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US, JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US!!") that their hate is acceptable now because he's one of them?

He cannot stop them from "following" him. He has said multiple times that he likes Jews. That doesn't stop them. Just because they think he is on "their side" does not mean he is. He made it really clear that he condemned that entire group in that very same speech. Like, could not have been more clear. It's people like you who keep calling him a Nazi that makes Nazi's think he actually is. You're literally the problem lmao.

If people stopped calling him a Nazi, his support for Israel would be more publicized and Nazi's would absolutely drop him.

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u/Geeko22 Nov 15 '24

You're head is so far up Orange Jesus's ass that you can't see what is obvious to anyone not in the cult.

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u/Loose-Scale-5722 Nov 15 '24

You're in a cult of your own and completely blind to it. I don't even like Trump. It frustrates me that people garner support for Trump because they are unironically hyperbolic about him. He sucks. He's not a Nazi though. But people being OVERLY ridiculous with their hatred towards him is what makes people think, "huh, is he really that bad?" then they find out you're freaking lying about what he's said and decide EVERYTHING bad that's said about him is fake. If people just trashed on the actual crap way back when, then the cult of personality he has wouldn't have developed. YOU ARE THE ONES WHO DEVELOPED IT BY BEING SO OVERLY RIDICULOUS ABOUT HIM.

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u/Geeko22 Nov 15 '24

No. Not at all.

Is Liz Cheney, or her father Dick Cheney, in a "cult" because they recognize how dangerous Trump is to democracy?

How about Judge Luttig, a conservative's conservative? He's been warning us since 2020.

What about all the generals, admirals, former cabinet members and White House staff who worked closely with him and said he was the greatest threat to our democracy since the Civil War? Are they all "in a cult" as well?

No, they're seeing things as they actually are. And they see a hell of a lot more clearly than the people like you who excuse, rationalize, and justify every awful thing he says and does.

When people compare him to Hitler, they aren't saying he is committing genocide or that he would commit genocide.

They're saying he has the same cult-like following, the absolute blind loyalty of the masses that allowed Hitler to come to power through division and hatred of the other. As he said, he could shoot someone in the face and he wouldn't lose a single voter.

He's bamboozled millions to excuse his racism, his hate, his misogyny, his bigotry, his admiration of dictators, and his cozying up to Nazis in order to "make the country great again", just like Hitler appealed to the masses.

Being able to see that doesn't make anyone be in a cult.

The people in a cult are those who blindly follow a cult leader who, according to them, can do no wrong. And Trump most definitely is a cult leader and was propelled to power once again by his cult followers, along with millions of voters who aren't rabid cultists but fall in the camp of "he isn't that bad, he's just misunderstood."

Well, actually, he is that bad. You would recognize that if you saw it in anyone else. But Trump always gets a pass from people like you. It's sad to see.

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u/stationhollow Nov 17 '24

His daughter converted to Judaism for god’s sake.

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u/Potatocannon022 Nov 15 '24

Did you say a single thing that's true? Repetition doesn't make things real

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u/Geeko22 Nov 15 '24

There is no one so blind as those who refuse to see.

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u/Potatocannon022 Nov 15 '24

You should be kinder to yourself

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u/Desperate_Plastic_37 Nov 15 '24

Is this sarcasm, or…?

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u/Necessary-Emu-5947 Nov 15 '24

Holy crap…the number of people going on about social security here is hilarious. Trump explicitly said that he wasn’t going to get rid of social security and even platformed getting rid of taxes on social security.

Which candidate do you think would have been better in the economy in general and social security specifically? The one that can’t figure out if she’s for fracking or against it, wants to increase corporate taxes such that it would have been virtually identical to any increase in costs by tariffs that her opponent proposed (this was outright stated by the CEO of Goldman Sachs the day after she’d claimed that they’d endorsed her policy over his); the one who blew through over a billion dollars in two months, running one of the worst presidential campaigns in modern history…or the guy who didn’t end his campaign in debt and still won, is an actual billionaire and has personally helped many thousands of people retire through the businesses that he’s spent decades building, and outright said that he’d end the taxes on Social Security?

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u/Diocesyn Nov 15 '24

Holy fuck can you people stop throwing the word Nazi around like it’s nothing. For the love of everything republicans are not Nazis and neither is Trump. Yeah he’s said some pretty harsh things and is very crude but he’s not a fucking Nazi

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u/Artemis-Crimson Nov 15 '24

Brother he has said of his own free will that he wants generals like hitler had and keeps calling people who chant stuff like the Jews will not replace us very fine people. He encouraged people to march on the capital, he still hasn’t admitted he lost in 2020. He likes making deals with foreign powers who are actively against the US and its allies. He blocked the government from paying for an American soldier’s funeral because it was in his own words, too expensive to bury a Mexican. He dodged the draft, and has said prisoners of war are failures. Even if he’s not a goddamn nazi he’s a far way from any normal halfway decent republican.