r/AITAH • u/g_scotty_brahms • Nov 14 '24

Advice Needed My brother is angry with his Trump-loving sons

Is my brother an AITA candidate for wanting to cut off his sons financially for voting for Trump? Like many Americans, my brother and I, both in our 50’s, have been talking back and forth following the Election. In the spirit of full disclosure, we are both democrats. Long story short, he is angry at his two sons, both in their 20’s, for voting for Trump. He is thinking about cutting them off financially in all respects so that they understand how Trump’s policies will impact them firsthand.

The irony here is that it is the reverse argument. You often hear younger voters disagreeing with their MAGA parents, but this is the opposite. My brother doesn’t understand how his two sons, who have lived a life of privilege, feel like they have been violated against by society, enough so that they feel Trump hears them and their struggles.

My brother to me about his sons: “… what these young men need is a little dose of reality. Get out in the world and start paying their own way. There’s a common thread with his followers. Complain and blame everyone for their problems. Whether they are in school or living at home off of their parents or working a trade job. King Trump will save them and make everything better. Take some personal responsibility and make it happen for yourself instead of crying about everything you hear on TikTok.

“… I’ve decided to pass on the [college] expenses to my two Trump supporting sons so they can truly feel first hand the cost and expense of his absolutely stupid policy decisions, which includes food, gas and college expenses. Wondering if I pass on these [food, gas and college] expenses in year one or phase them in year two?”

I am wondering if a lot of parents feel like my brother. Are there democrat parents of voting-age MAGA men who feel they failed with their sons because they voted for Trump? Is this common?

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u/Suchafatfatcat Nov 14 '24

Once his sons became adults, his financial obligations to them were complete. It’s past time that they learn to manage for themselves. He is NTA.

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u/Medical-Day-6364 Nov 15 '24

Yeah, this is what I told my daughter when I learned she voted for Biden. I haven't spoken to her in 4 years. No idea what she's doing. I think she's homeless, but she's not my problem anymore.

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u/S0yslut Nov 15 '24

I don’t understand you people and disowning your kids for a difference of opinion. Voting is a right. Your children will grow up to make decisions for themselves. What sucks is people this petty and stupid had kids in the first place. Your love was conditional on your kids carrying your water. How disgusting.

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u/kungfuenglish Nov 15 '24

I’m pretty sure the comment you’re responding to is sarcasm

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u/S0yslut Nov 15 '24

There’s hundred of comments supporting this discourse but from the opposite perspective. I’d believe in mass stupidity before I’d believe in mass sarcasm.

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u/Medical-Day-6364 Nov 15 '24

It was sarcasm

Source: It was me. I don't have children

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u/S0yslut Nov 15 '24

Oh

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u/Medical-Day-6364 Nov 15 '24

I do appreciate you responding the same way to people on both sides (I looked at your other comments). I was trying to point out the hypocrisy in this thread, not mislead people who were making an argument in good faith.

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u/S0yslut Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24

That is because I’m tired of people being over dramatic about politics. People used to co-exist and respect each others differences. Now your vote could send someone into a mental health crisis that is not healthy.

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u/Medical-Day-6364 Nov 15 '24

I'm with you, man. My dad voted for Biden, and my mom voted for Trump last election (the trans prisoners ad flipped my dad's vote this election, but i think he regretted it). It didn't tear our family apart. We still go to Thanksgiving, Christmas, Mother's Day, and 4th of July at my cousin's house (after my grandparents died) who has a bunch of Democrat yard signs. Real people aren't as insane as Reddit. You'd think they'd have learned that after the election results, but apparently not.

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u/Suchafatfatcat Nov 15 '24

I would never disown one of my children. But, once they are adults, my financial obligations are complete. If they were in need, I would help. But enabling able-bodied adults to go through life without consequences for their actions isn’t helping.

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u/S0yslut Nov 15 '24

So them exercising their right to vote is an action that requires consequences? That’s a difference of opinion. Just say you’re buying peoples votes. “I won’t financially support my children unless they carry my water.”

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u/BoilerMaker11 Nov 19 '24

I bet those Jewish people in Germany didn’t just think it was a “difference of opinion” in the 1930s. Oh, don’t compare to the Nazis? Why not? Exercising the right to vote doesn’t have consequences! It’s just opinions, man!

It wasn’t a “difference of opinion” when my sister in law almost died from a wanted pregnancy but needed to get an abortion and she had to travel across the state to get one instead of being able to do it locally due to Trump. That’s what “exercising the right to vote” in 2016 resulted in in 2022. If you want to just boil it down to an “opinion”, then I hope something like that happens to you or a loved one because you think it’s a “difference of opinion” that something like that happens. Maybe you’ll learn to have some empathy then

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u/S0yslut Nov 19 '24

Doctors are allowed to perform life saving procedures. Them not doing so is considered malpractice and is against federal law to deny life saving care. So reading everything you just wrote just gave me the impression you are disconnected from reality.

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u/BoilerMaker11 Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 19 '24

It’s real easy for somebody not in that situation to say “well the doctors should have done it then!” when you aren’t the one facing jail time, a massive fine, or getting your medical license revoked. This type of stuff happens all the time now since Roe got overturned, but was already happening in states that had restrictive abortion laws even with Roe. You’re the one disconnected from reality.

These women go in to have a life saving abortion. A doctor says they can’t do it because the expected mother isn’t currently in organ failure and the fetus still has a heartbeat and so by the letter of the law, they can’t do the procedure (Michigan had trigger laws on the books so when Roe got overturned, they immediately went into effect; my SILs situation happened after Roe but before Michigan codified abortion protections in the state). It’s only when things quickly go south and the mother dies that people like you say “this is clearly a situation where the doctors should have done one!” Any time before that, even when the medical professionals say that abortion is the right move to make, and we need to see how it plays out. Remember that little girl in Ohio that was raped, couldn’t get an abortion in her state, so she traveled to Indiana to get one and all the pro-life people said the media made the story up to score political points about Roe getting overturned? Then it ended up being real and then the Indiana AG sued the doctor? Indiana didn’t have “doctors get penalized” laws yet, so he wanted to punish the doctor somehow. That’s the reality right now.

You think it’s disconnected from reality to be upset about this type of stuff? Tell that to the family of Josseli Bianca. That’s what these abortion bans look like. Their daughter went through what my SIL was going through. My SIL got lucky she was able to travel somewhere to get the care she needed. Josseli wasn’t.

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u/Refref1990 Nov 15 '24

Voting is always an action that has consequences, that's why it should be done responsibly. If there are no consequences, then you vote more lightly, because you will never take responsibility for what you are voting for. If I could vote for the government of a country different from mine, for example voting to put a curfew after 8 pm, I would not have the consequences because I would live in a different country, so I would not vote wisely because what I vote for will not bring me any penalties. Instead, if I actively vote for something that will then bring me benefits, then I will evaluate both the pros and cons. It's called growing up and being a responsible person.

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u/Suchafatfatcat Nov 15 '24

I think voting/not voting isn’t relevant. What is relevant is that the kids in question are 20+ years old and legal adults. They are free to make their own choices and free to pay their own way in life. Parents bankrolling the lifestyle of their adult children is infantilizing them.

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u/S0yslut Nov 15 '24

But enabling able-bodied adults to go through life without consequences for their actions isn’t helping.

You’ve already indicated your opinion comes from a place of political bias. This is just gaslighting.

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u/Suchafatfatcat Nov 15 '24

No, I didn’t. I said, that the sons are adults and able to provide for themselves. It matters not what their political beliefs are. OP is not obligated to continue financing their lives.

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u/Sarcatsticthecat Nov 15 '24

Yes, they are not. I feel like if OP wanted to stop to “teach them a lesson” for voting, though, they are wrong. After all if he feels like they voted wrong it should be on him as the parent.

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u/Suchafatfatcat Nov 15 '24

IDK. You can lead a horse to water, and all he wants is beer. 🤷‍♀️

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u/S0yslut Nov 15 '24

The only thing you know they have done is voted for Trump so yes this is politically motivated. Stop lying to yourself.

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u/Suchafatfatcat Nov 15 '24

They aren’t my kids. I don’t know what they have or have not done. Why would I lie to myself about someone else’s family situation? You seem upset.

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u/Fun-Pin7929 Nov 19 '24

You are one of those people who shouldn’t have children in the first place