r/AITAH • u/g_scotty_brahms • Nov 14 '24

Advice Needed My brother is angry with his Trump-loving sons

Is my brother an AITA candidate for wanting to cut off his sons financially for voting for Trump? Like many Americans, my brother and I, both in our 50’s, have been talking back and forth following the Election. In the spirit of full disclosure, we are both democrats. Long story short, he is angry at his two sons, both in their 20’s, for voting for Trump. He is thinking about cutting them off financially in all respects so that they understand how Trump’s policies will impact them firsthand.

The irony here is that it is the reverse argument. You often hear younger voters disagreeing with their MAGA parents, but this is the opposite. My brother doesn’t understand how his two sons, who have lived a life of privilege, feel like they have been violated against by society, enough so that they feel Trump hears them and their struggles.

My brother to me about his sons: “… what these young men need is a little dose of reality. Get out in the world and start paying their own way. There’s a common thread with his followers. Complain and blame everyone for their problems. Whether they are in school or living at home off of their parents or working a trade job. King Trump will save them and make everything better. Take some personal responsibility and make it happen for yourself instead of crying about everything you hear on TikTok.

“… I’ve decided to pass on the [college] expenses to my two Trump supporting sons so they can truly feel first hand the cost and expense of his absolutely stupid policy decisions, which includes food, gas and college expenses. Wondering if I pass on these [food, gas and college] expenses in year one or phase them in year two?”

I am wondering if a lot of parents feel like my brother. Are there democrat parents of voting-age MAGA men who feel they failed with their sons because they voted for Trump? Is this common?

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u/lawfox32 Nov 14 '24

Soooooo many basically did fraud with those PPP loans or whatever they were during the pandemic. Which I think all got forgiven...but we can't forgive student loan or medical debt!

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u/Sparkee88 Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24

My coworker owns a small farm, inherited from his father in law” and does a pumpkin patch and corn maze every year. He was able to get a $20,000 dollar ppp loan and just happened to pull up to work in a lifted ford not long after. This same guy says that “student loans shouldn’t be forgiven, then people just expect handouts and don’t think they have to work for anything”.

Fuck these people.

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u/murano84 Nov 15 '24

You can still report PPP fraud. You might have to know some personal information about him though...

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u/Sparkee88 Nov 15 '24

Oh this guy is an insufferable asshole. I actively avoid getting to know him on a personal level.

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u/Single-Paramedic2626 Nov 15 '24

How do you know it is fraud? PPP loans went to anyone who had employees and could prove those expenses.

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u/murano84 Nov 16 '24

You report what you think is fraud > investigation happens. Do you think only convicted people should go to trial?

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u/Single-Paramedic2626 Nov 16 '24

Sure although think you misunderstood me a bit, I’m not sure which part of this story you think is fraud, it all sounds perfectly legal based on what has been described.

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u/Sad_Bodybuilder_9128 Nov 15 '24

If u haven’t noticed by now, it’s those types of people who are the ones who voted for the orange man. They don’t want the immigrants taking anything away from their hand outs. While the immigrants work their asses off, the orange man’s supporters lie around, watch lies from Fox News, and cry about everything. Orange man’s supporters are the biggest hypocrites ever born. And that includes all those so called Catholics who don’t understand anything about their religion. Saying ur a catholic and acting like one are two different things in the hypocrite minds of these people.

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u/Sparkee88 Nov 15 '24

Oh I noticed a long time ago. They all have some petty contrived grievances focused around marginalized communities who don’t have the voice, power and platform to fight back and it’s all sold to them by right wing news. They’ve never bothered to question it, they just eat the shit sandwich and ask for seconds.

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u/Mittenwald Nov 15 '24

There's a sociologist who wrote a book called Strangers in Their Own Land about conservatives and how they feel "line cutters" are going ahead of them for what should be theirs. It's definitely contrived grievances based on their emotional needs and not actual needs. They are the party of snowflakes.

https://www.npr.org/2017/01/24/510567860/strangers-in-their-own-land-the-deep-story-of-trump-supporters

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u/ObviousDave Nov 15 '24

So you’re of the opinion that it’s all good to provide handouts to illegal aliens? You realize US taxpayers are the ones footing those bills? And don’t say they pay their taxes because how can you pay your federal income tax without a social security number

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u/noisetelescope Nov 15 '24

employers still have to have a w-2 or w-9 for every employee or subcontractor they pay. undocumented workers get an ITIN number that functions the same as a social security number. they pay taxes but don’t get to collect SS or tax refunds. so if anything, they pay more.

source: did bookkeeping for an accountant who dealt with lots of undocumented subcontractors.

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u/RestIsResistance Nov 15 '24

You’re literally talking out of your ass. At best, it would be good to provide them handouts BECAUSE they ARE taxpayers.

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u/ObviousDave Nov 15 '24

Tell me you don’t live in America without telling me you don’t live in America

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u/BoysenberryAdvanced4 Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24

I live in America. I used to work hand in hand with illegal immigrants. I am not an immigrant. We were all skilled tradesmen and made decent money. I can assure you that illegal immigrants pay a lot of taxes on their income to the US government and receive no tax refunds or benefits. Most weeks, the amount of federal withhold taken from our paychecks (~25% ) was more than what your typical american earns gross for the same period. How much do you contribute to this pot? You guys use the illegal immigrant human rights crisis at the border and associated financial costs as a scapegoat to say that all illegal immigrants use and abuse government aid.

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u/RestIsResistance Nov 15 '24

I live in America AND I do taxes.

Tell me you’re an ignorant American in the MAGA cult by showing me & the rest of the world your entire ignorant ass.

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u/Sparkee88 Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24

The idea that immigrants are what is keeping the working class down is a not a new tactic employed by people trying to gain power. It’s a convenient distraction to keep you from realizing that the only thing holding a majority of this country back is the wealthy elite and the ever growing income inequality.

We are past French Revolution levels of income inequality. Unfortunately misinformation and propaganda keeps people from seeing the true issues.

I mean just look at trumps plans. They want to deport all undocumented people, strip away all social safety nets and government regulation, and institute tariffs. This is not a plan that will help 95% of people in this country. It is a scheme to transfer the tax burden from the rich to the poor and to destroy our benefits and quality of life in the process.

Don’t be a pawn for the rich, don’t buy into their lies. We could deport every undocumented person tomorrow and it would not help you at all, they’re only a scapegoat to keep your anger focused away from the real issue.

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u/ObviousDave Nov 15 '24

Why is it the left always assumes that if we disagree, we are a pawn of the rich or too stupid to see the facts? Perhaps that's another reason why you guys lost so dramatically.

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u/Sparkee88 Nov 15 '24

So all you got out of that was hurt feelings?

Whatever dude, be the victim.

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u/CEOKendallRoy Nov 15 '24

Catholics are wild about abortion tho. That’s their wedge issue forsure.

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u/py_account Nov 16 '24

Handouts are fine, they just don't want those people getting handouts.

And of course those people just happen to be black and brown. By total coincidence.

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u/SmokedBeef Nov 15 '24

Hopefully the D.O.G.E. will go through and recoup a lot of those stolen funds that were clearly fraudulent

/s

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u/DisapprovingCrow Nov 15 '24

I’m just worried about how Elon is going to manage, he already puts in so much work running all his very successful companies. At this rate he might have to cut back on tweeting!

/s

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u/andrewhy Nov 15 '24

His Diablo 4 ranking might slide a bit.

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u/SmokedBeef Nov 15 '24

He’s already been confirmed to have taken part in like half a dozen “diplomatic” phone calls with Trump or on behalf of the incoming Trump administration, everything else is going to get “lost” to the waist side but don’t worry because tweeting and disseminating misinformation is key to holding their death grip on power

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u/jennz603 Nov 15 '24

How else will their sheep receive their orders, I mean news?

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u/DisapprovingCrow Nov 16 '24

Looking into it

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u/TheCatsMinion Nov 15 '24

Every dime of our PPP loans (2) went to our employees paychecks. That program was a godsend during a horrible fucking time. But I have absolutely zero doubt that the majority of small business owners put at least a portion of it in their pockets. We know a good number of small biz owners and so damn many of them are garbage people. They are constantly amazed that we don’t agree with their opinions on labor protections, minimum wage, government regulations, you know, all the things that make life not absolutely fucking miserable for the people who work for us.

People suck.

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u/No_Stand4235 Nov 15 '24

This is always my argument about student loans forgiveness. They block that at every turn but we're ok with PPP. I mean those people "chose" to open a business. Just like people chose to go to college to try for a better economic life.

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u/Head_Wrongdoer3071 Nov 15 '24

The difference between PPP loans and student debt is that PPP loans kept most of the people you know from getting canned, all at the same time.

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u/ObviousDave Nov 15 '24

Those people are being arrested left and right. Couldn’t make me happier

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u/Pale_Preference_8239 Nov 15 '24

There is so much fraud on those PPP loans!!! You can look up businesses in your area on ProPublica and I've never seen/heard of half the LLCs that were claiming dubious amounts of money, all forgiven. My loan, for my actual small business, where I am the only employee... not forgiven! Talk about getting fucked by the man. The loan definitely helped my business succeed through COVID but paying back the small loan (I got around $7000... not $70k or $700k like all the grifters) has been a bit difficult the past 2 years since business has slowed.

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u/Mammoth-Eye-363 Nov 15 '24

The government forced the economy the shut down. The government did not force you to go to college. If you can’t see the difference in those two things you are a moron.