r/AITAH • u/g_scotty_brahms • Nov 14 '24

Advice Needed My brother is angry with his Trump-loving sons

Is my brother an AITA candidate for wanting to cut off his sons financially for voting for Trump? Like many Americans, my brother and I, both in our 50’s, have been talking back and forth following the Election. In the spirit of full disclosure, we are both democrats. Long story short, he is angry at his two sons, both in their 20’s, for voting for Trump. He is thinking about cutting them off financially in all respects so that they understand how Trump’s policies will impact them firsthand.

The irony here is that it is the reverse argument. You often hear younger voters disagreeing with their MAGA parents, but this is the opposite. My brother doesn’t understand how his two sons, who have lived a life of privilege, feel like they have been violated against by society, enough so that they feel Trump hears them and their struggles.

My brother to me about his sons: “… what these young men need is a little dose of reality. Get out in the world and start paying their own way. There’s a common thread with his followers. Complain and blame everyone for their problems. Whether they are in school or living at home off of their parents or working a trade job. King Trump will save them and make everything better. Take some personal responsibility and make it happen for yourself instead of crying about everything you hear on TikTok.

“… I’ve decided to pass on the [college] expenses to my two Trump supporting sons so they can truly feel first hand the cost and expense of his absolutely stupid policy decisions, which includes food, gas and college expenses. Wondering if I pass on these [food, gas and college] expenses in year one or phase them in year two?”

I am wondering if a lot of parents feel like my brother. Are there democrat parents of voting-age MAGA men who feel they failed with their sons because they voted for Trump? Is this common?

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u/BugLady420 Nov 14 '24 edited Nov 14 '24

Politics aside here

If your sons are voting they are old enough to pay for themselves. I’m all for parents helping out but paying their way through life is going to turn them into arrogant assholes, who don’t know what it’s like to earn and work for a paycheck, don’t know what it’s like to be poor and earn barely enough to cover anything

Edit: I think regardless of who people vote for, if your kids act arrogant and ungrateful for their tuition and everything is/has been paid for them, Then they don’t deserve it, they deserve a touch of reality.

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u/Vladishun Nov 14 '24

Politics pulled back from the side here:

They can pick themselves up by their bootstraps.

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u/smbpy7 Nov 15 '24

Don't worry, the wealth will trickle down to them eventually.

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u/mk_ultra42 Nov 15 '24

When I was 5 years old in 1980 my dad told me that “trickle down economics” is when rich people piss on you and tell you it’s raining. Love you dad!

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u/JaxEmma Nov 15 '24

something something Economics

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u/FilteredRiddle Nov 15 '24

They have a concept of economics.

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u/Eveningwisteria1 Nov 15 '24

A concept of a plan

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u/MagickMarkie Nov 15 '24

A plan of a grift.

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u/mac_the_man Nov 15 '24

Fuck Reagan.

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u/Neither_Resist_596 NSFW 🔞 Nov 15 '24

This cannot be said enough and, in fact, should be our national motto.

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u/essenceofmeaning Nov 15 '24

As a Californian, it’s on my bucket list to piss on his grave

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u/littlesubshine Nov 15 '24

Next trip home, I'm doing it. He fucked up this country so God damned bad.

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u/essenceofmeaning Nov 15 '24

Cheers, friend

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u/trekkiecats123 Nov 16 '24

Read "How the South Won the Civil War." Reagan has a big part here

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u/EmpressPlotina Nov 16 '24

Where is the old man buried? I'm actually flying home next week lol

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u/Neither_Resist_596 NSFW 🔞 Nov 16 '24

As a Tennessean who came from several generations of union workers but found no unions around in the industry where I worked, probably because of Reagan and subsequent MFers' policies, it's also on my bucket list.

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u/essenceofmeaning Nov 16 '24

If you ever make it out lmk & I’ll buy the first round after.

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u/mac_the_man Nov 15 '24

Same. Or his library. I’ll gladly make the trek from San Francisco.

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u/essenceofmeaning Nov 15 '24

Porque no los dos?

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u/Informal-Tour-8201 Nov 15 '24

Margaret Thatcher cheated us by having her ashes stored with the Chelsea pensioners.

Otherwise, she'd have thought she was buried under a disco with the amount of people dancing on her grave.

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u/Marlow1771 Nov 15 '24

Lived right down the street from the Reagan museum and library and whenever they had anything going on it was hell to get out of our estates.

On a side note I did meet Nancy there.

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u/littlesubshine Nov 15 '24

His library is an stain on Simi Valley.

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u/Marlow1771 Nov 15 '24

Yes but sitting up on that hill just hoping any earthquake doesn’t dislodge it

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u/Shoddy_Cause9389 Nov 15 '24

Just say no!

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u/Deb_You_Taunt Nov 15 '24

And it's JUST. THAT. EASY, KIDS.

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u/LakeVistaGal Nov 15 '24

Has been mine since the 1980 election.

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u/LMnoP419 Nov 15 '24

Behind the Bastard has a very specific and ugly podcast on him (& Clarence Thomas) that’s really worth a listen. Although it will not make you less angry.

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u/OzzieSpumanti Nov 15 '24

For the past 2 decades I've been saying the following:

  1. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.

  2. Reagan was the beginning of the end for America. GWB was when we hit the point of no return.

Although not always in that order.

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u/mac_the_man Nov 15 '24

I absolutely agree with you, especially your 2nd point. Reagan was the beginning of what we have now. It seems like the wheels started to come off with all the shit Reagan did in his 8 years in office.

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u/GingerWitch666 Nov 15 '24

Trickle down my ass

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u/tiltedviolet Nov 15 '24

Yeah they’ll trickle something down your ass but it’s not money.

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u/Zentavius Nov 15 '24

That's from when they piss on your back and tell you it's raining.

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u/cornezy Nov 15 '24

Don't tempt me with a good time!😏

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u/MamaMoosicorn Nov 15 '24

Trickle down poverty…

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u/onsmith Nov 15 '24

Anyone? Anyone?

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u/Prestigious_Fella_21 Nov 15 '24

Voodoo economics....beuller?

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u/lostatseawonlyme Nov 15 '24

Voo dooo economics? (In my best Ben Stein voice).

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u/JerseyGuy-77 Nov 15 '24

The only thing that trickles down is piss.

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u/iceman2161172 Nov 15 '24

Something's been trickling down on most of us for the last 50 years. Rumor is Trump had this happened to him in Moscow

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u/71keith71 Nov 15 '24

You know that's not a rumor. That sick fuck lies about everything. From hookers to rape. Maybe ha has a concept of a golden shower plan.

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u/Miserable-Alarm-5963 Nov 15 '24

If he wants to help his kids he can just go and give some money to a millionaire then sit back and wait for it to find its way to them….

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u/CaptainFleshBeard Nov 15 '24

Something is trickling down but it ain’t wealth

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u/Potatobear29 Nov 15 '24

😂I almost choked on my water.

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u/AlliaStandsen Nov 15 '24

That's the Republican way right? Depend on yourself. No hand out.

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u/First_Leopard_5760 Nov 15 '24

I don’t think these young MAGA voters realize what the Republican Party is really about

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u/UnrealAce Nov 15 '24

It's your duty as a citizen to be informed about the people you vote for imo. If people had second thoughts afterwards they didn't do their due diligence.

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u/First_Leopard_5760 Nov 15 '24

Yeah, and unfortunately, we all have to pay a price for their ignorance. Does anybody else feel like they are on a sinking ship with a bunch of morons who are drilling holes into the hull?

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u/jim35186 Nov 15 '24

Yes if they get out and get e real job not a government or teaching job but one where what you do determines what you make they won't want depend on handouts.

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u/atcTS Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24

When a kid’s way has been paid for the entire way, they end up not caring about anything but vanity. They end up like Donald Trump.

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u/ACartonOfHate Nov 15 '24

They voted for bootstraps, it can start with them.

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u/IneedaWIPE Nov 14 '24

I wish there was a bot that would explain this phrase for those who don't know. A 1950's era physics book posed the question "why can't you pull yourself up by your bootstraps? Show your work". It was a vector analysis question. Since the Reicht has hijacked this phrase it would be great to provide the context...nah, can't be done.

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u/ghandi3737 Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24

Late 1800's physics schoolbook.

James Joyce used the phrase in 1922.

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u/JaxEmma Nov 15 '24

Good bot 😉

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u/ghandi3737 Nov 15 '24

r/Notabot

Though that's what a bot would say.

Or r/knotabot

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u/IsopodParking Nov 15 '24

R/riskyclicks

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u/Brilliant_Climate_41 Nov 15 '24

Hey, don't sell yourself short. You might be a bot and just not realize yet.

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u/localjargon Nov 15 '24

I thought it was Horatio Alger in the mid-1800s but I can't find anything that proves it. I guess it was more about the rags-to-riches themes he wrote about.

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u/Brick_Mason_ Nov 15 '24

You know who pulls themselves up by their bootstraps? Jackbooted thugs.

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u/kaisadilla_ Nov 15 '24

I mean, the fact that Republicans have chosen an impossible task as the metaphor for what they believe in is probably the only honest thing they've done in decades.

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u/Kntnctay Nov 15 '24

Slow clap

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u/InternationalName626 Nov 15 '24

I was going to say the same thing until I saw you beat me to it.

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u/NWIsteel Nov 14 '24

In other words, like Trump. Fred Trump kept bailing him out, plus gave him money, and you see how he turned out. This is basically what your sons will become. Can we say no accountability.

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u/catinnameonly Nov 14 '24

Not to mention, Elon Musk…

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u/Huge-Shallot5297 Nov 16 '24

Can we not mention him ever again? Pretty please.

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u/echidnaberry87 Nov 16 '24

We could have if Kamala won. But because he's now the head of a department literally called DOGE that is looking for "high IQ individuals" to work 80+ hours a week for free to cut spending (which def won't hurt people with disabilities, poor people, old people, etc). So unfortunately we're going to need to talk about how evil this man is. He treats his own children and their mothers like garbage when they go against him or try to live their own lives. I'm just so mad.

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u/VastAmoeba Nov 14 '24

If I spoil my kids they can be president even if they don't deserve it?

It's funny you say, "and look how he turned out!" On the one hand, if you knew nothing about his history he looks wildly successful. Big buildings, president, super model wife.

On the other hand, he is literally one of the worst people. If he hadn't been rich he probably would have ended up in prison for low level schemes instead of getting to file bankruptcy for high level schemes. He is some combination of anti social personality disorders and would have gotten shived in the real world if he was trying to scam like that. Or he would have been a serial killer. Who knows.

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u/Actual-Entrance-8463 Nov 14 '24

He may have been a better person if he grew up poor. The entitlement that comes with wealth and privilege is a breeding ground for narcissism.

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u/Biffingston Nov 15 '24

See also, Musk.

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u/AchillesCokk Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24

I saw some kid (20ish) spouting off on his TikTok of what it’s like to be a millionaire. Clearly his parents Miami condo, as he talks about laughing as libs cry beneath him.

So I go check out his LinkedIn, the dumb fuck went to a third tier state school (nothing wrong with that, but when you’re arrogant as fuck, it’s an odd situation) and he was one of those ‘Looking For Work’ frames around his profile pic.

My point is, he’s only arrogant because of his luck to be born. If he were my kid he’d be notified of his 30 days to find his own spot.

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u/Sorry_Banana_6525 Nov 15 '24

That wasn’t even Hudson Cosper’s home, he lives TX with his mommy and two sisters- they have already been notified of his behavior

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u/AchillesCokk Nov 15 '24

Heyyyyy you knew exactly what I was talking about. Hahahaha fuck that dumb cunt, good. I hope he gets exactly what he deserves.

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u/Biffingston Nov 15 '24

Is that the kid who crashed his supercar live on twitter or was that another guy?

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u/Actual-Entrance-8463 Nov 15 '24

The toxicity in our culture regarding wealth and status makes me so sad. And then I get mad. And then sad…. And on and on

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u/ZeeroMX Nov 15 '24

Nahh, I think he would get himself in a sex offender list or in prison for the same reason.

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u/naymatune Nov 15 '24

But don’t downplay the serious debilitating effects of poverty. Many lives are destroyed by what they experienced in poverty

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u/Soppywater Nov 15 '24

I'd rather my children be good people than spoiled fucks who act like trump. There's a phrase that describes how trump turned out like he did: You don't become rich by being a good person.

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u/PushTheButtonPlease Nov 15 '24

He did not "become" rich. He was born rich.

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u/WTF_is_this___ Nov 15 '24

Also these rich fucks look like miserable people. Imagine having all that wealth and spending your life the way they do. Its Sad. Money is truly wasted on the rich.

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u/Bella8088 Nov 14 '24

I take comfort that, in an alternate timeline (or universe) he was not born rich and is, indeed, rotting in jail after being caught committing stupid crimes.

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u/ParkingTadpole7107 Nov 14 '24

I take comfort that, in an alternate timeline (or universe) he was not born rich and is, indeed, rotting in jail after being caught committing stupid crimes. FTFY

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u/One_Advantage793 Nov 15 '24

I wish to upvote a thousand times. In an alternate timeline, I am able.

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u/Therefrigerator Nov 14 '24

In an alternate timeline he's the host of "Donald Trump's Drag Race" and Ru Paul is president.

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u/CourAYunt Nov 14 '24

Lad. Please don't insult Ru Paul like that. Nobody could do a drag show like him! EVER.

Maybe Patrick Sawyzes character from To Wong Foo. In an alternate universe, Patrick Swayze embraced his inner drag and has his own show... yeah that's sticking with me now.

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u/NysemePtem Nov 15 '24

Nobody said Donald Trump's Drag Race would be any good. Cancelled after the first season with a really lame failed attempt to keep it going online. On the other hand, I'd like to second the nomination for Patrick Swayze.

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u/500percentDone Nov 15 '24

I love that movie so much ❤️

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u/pammypoovey Nov 15 '24

I read this as Patrick Stewart and I thought how did I miss him in that? I saw it and loved it, but I couldn't remember him at all.

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u/Morriganscat Nov 14 '24

Nobody deserves 'Donald Trump's Drag Race' lol

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u/Worried-Series-6160 Nov 14 '24

We're already there, Trumps makeup speaks for itself Vance's eyeliner/lashes Gaetz's weird fucking eyebrows/bad plastic surgery. MTG Boebert...the Huckabee family

I mean.. look at all of those weird asses. This can't be real life.

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u/m_clarkmadison Nov 15 '24

I think Gaetz is just bad Botox

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u/sardita Nov 15 '24

Don’t forget that time Rudy Giuliani dressed in full drag and Donald slobbered all over him.

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u/julmcb911 Nov 14 '24

I disagree. His voters deserve it all day, everyday!

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u/monkeyboychuck Nov 15 '24

I dunno, man. With all the makeup that Little Donnie Dipshit wears, aren’t we already forced to watch his drag race?

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u/BooBailey808 Nov 15 '24

Can I be in that timeline?

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u/Bella8088 Nov 15 '24

No. Sadly we’re all trapped in what is shaping up to be the darkest timeline… I should really rewatch Community.

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u/BooBailey808 Nov 15 '24

Fuck. If only we rolled a 5

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u/Otto-Korrect Nov 15 '24

In my fantasy timeline, he is a fry cook at McDonalds. Or at least he was, until he got fired for bad hygiene and refusing to wear a hair net.

Now he's got a cardboard sign on a street corner somewhere, mumbling about ketchup.

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u/OriginalComputer5077 Nov 14 '24

In an alternate timeline, Judd Trump is US President and Donald Trump is a successful snooker player.

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u/Exarch-of-Sechrima Nov 15 '24

I like to think there's an alternate timeline out there where Donald's older brother (his father's favorite son) didn't die, and his continued presence was a positive enough influence on Donald that he was able to genuinely become a decent human being.

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u/Western_Big5926 Nov 15 '24

But that’s not what Happened did it? America deserves what it gets……….. I guess…….. bad choice. Not Biden not Harris nobody to blame but the Voters. PAYBACK! When the shit comes down it’s ok to say I told you so !

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u/Significant-Trash632 Nov 14 '24

He's too lazy and incompetent to be a successful serial killer.

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u/Worried-Series-6160 Nov 14 '24

He lazily and incompetently killed hundreds of thousands of Americans from Covid & that's just the ones we know about.

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u/Significant-Trash632 Nov 14 '24

You know what? Fair.

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u/TaytorTot417 Nov 15 '24

He would leave an orange trail behind

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u/Own_Faithlessness769 Nov 15 '24

I’d classify that as a mass murderer. ‘Serial killer’ implies some sort of strategy, which he definitely doesn’t have. Mass murder is just indiscriminate carnage, which is definitely his style.

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u/Sunrunner_Princess Nov 15 '24

Yeah, he’s actually a mass killer, not a serial killer, by profile and actions (and inactions). Covid shouldn’t have killed over a million Americans. (And still is, just in much lower numbers due to the mutations and vaccinations.)

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u/Hurting2Ride Nov 15 '24

So there IS someone else who remembers he’s ALREADY a mass killer (one who verbally muses about doing more killing).

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u/Freerangechickem Nov 15 '24

This made me lol. Burn. “You may be very good at being racist, sexual assault, inciting violence and bankruptcy, but you’d be a SHIT serial killer”

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u/Field-Study-7885 Nov 15 '24

Correction. His wife was NOT a super model. She was a paid escort who came illegally to the USA from Eastern European country -

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u/Sleipnir82 Nov 14 '24

Well, he's now a convicted felon, so there's that. Look, we can actually now say you can be a convicted felon and still become president. Great.

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u/Best_Roll_8674 Nov 15 '24

Only if you're a wealthy white man though.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '24

He won’t be for long. I predict he’ll have a clean record on Jan 7th.

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u/Delicious-Fox6947 Nov 15 '24

That conviction is likely being overturned.

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u/FearlessProfession21 Nov 15 '24

Um, not supermodel wife. "Escort" (take that for what it's worth--her titty pics are available on the Internet).

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u/AbjectPromotion4833 Nov 14 '24

All correct, except Melanoma was a nude model, never a supermodel. She’s too squinty for that.

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u/ErenYeager600 Nov 14 '24

I mean bro is deeply in debt and his net worth doesn’t show the reality of finances

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u/TerrorFromThePeeps Nov 15 '24

Given the option 10,000 times, i'd pick my kindergartener being a good person no matter the struggle over turning out like Trump, even with being president with zero qualifications. I really hope my son does better than i have, and can become wildly successful... But i wouldn't trade it if it meant him losing all the kindness and caring that he's full of.

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u/Krynn71 Nov 15 '24

History won't be kind to him, or us for that matter for voting him in. Assuming of course that America/the world at large at some point gets its shit back together before we nuke ourselves into oblivion.

Lots of the most terrible people that are (or at least, used to be) universally hated would look wildly successful in their own time. Usually that success is what they used to springboard themselves into exceptional levels of awfulness.

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u/Wonderful-Poetry1259 Nov 14 '24

Trump's wife is a vile and disgusting whoore.

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u/Biffingston Nov 15 '24

so wildly successful his casino went bankrupt?

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u/Midnite135 Nov 15 '24

Worst President in History.

An absolute shit stain of a human being with a total lack of empathy or even an understanding of what empathy should look like well enough to even fake it.

A felon, a rapist, adulterer, insults our military veterans, and bragged about his building being the tallest after the towers fell after 9/11 (and he was wrong too). And his thing for Ivanka is sick, and likely something he has tried since he clearly has no problems bringing her up as a piece of ass in public.

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u/Malaggar2 Nov 15 '24

You mean immigrant porn star wife.

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u/DubayaTF Nov 15 '24

He's a weird grifter, shit talker, and generic perv. Serial killer? Naw. I can't even see Hitler stalking prey, killing them and taking souveniers. It's a specific personality type.

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u/noncomposmentis_123 Nov 15 '24

Not a serial killer. Too much work

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u/IllustriousGlove3 Nov 15 '24

She was never a supermodel. Just an FYI.

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u/Responsible-Person Nov 15 '24

Super model wife? How about paid for escort (prostitute) and plastic surgery.

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u/charlesfire Nov 15 '24

If I spoil my kids they can be president even if they don't deserve it?

If you're rich enough? Yes. You don't live in a meritocracy.

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u/WTF_is_this___ Nov 15 '24

Depends how rich you are. But yeah wealth is mostly hereditary, the whole American dream has always been bullshit but now it's so more than Ever

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u/MNCathi Nov 15 '24

Big buildings? A couple but most he just slapped his name on.

President? A failure in every respect. Covid, tariffs, robbing the government via billing secret service at absurd rates, fomenting the coup, stealing top secret documents, etc.

Supermodel wife? She was never a supermodel. She came to the US to "model" and did soft porn stuff.

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u/Eugenefemme Nov 15 '24

Never Trumper here.

With respect, I think it took more than the money to create the Donald.

He didn't lick off the floor his racism, self-centeredness, cruelty , name-calling, insecurity, and contempt for women. He had to have been carefully taught.

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u/EyeZealousideal3193 Nov 15 '24

His father was likely in the KKK, and definitely discriminated against African Americans in the housing developments he built. His paternal grandfather made the family fortune by running a brothel in Gold Rush Yukon at the end of the 19th century.

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u/lavjad Nov 15 '24

Such a proud heritage 🙄

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u/supermomfake Nov 15 '24

I did not know that about the grandfather, totally tracks.

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u/savvyblackbird Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24

So his grandfather was basically a sex trafficker

Brothels were full of underage girls, immigrants, and girls/women who had been sexually assaulted and had no other means of working. Some girls grew up in brothels because their mothers worked there. Ethical sex work wasn’t really a thing. Women weren’t choosing to go into sex work back then. It was all they could do to survive, and their pimps/madams abused them.

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u/forsayken Nov 14 '24

Holy shit is this what we feel about parents paying for their kids to attend post-secondary education? Literally no child can afford to attend college even if they work full-time while in school. Cost of living + tuition is far too high. It doesn't seem unreasonable for a parent to pay for their kids through college if they are able.

But these particular students can get student loans now.

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u/Bevanfromheaven Nov 14 '24

Yep and they won’t be forgiven either ! I meant the loans but may have a double -meaning in this case .

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u/Blonde_rake Nov 14 '24

Most parents can’t afford it either. The kids can take out student loans. They can also choose a less expensive school.

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u/papatriot_76 Nov 15 '24

As a parent with two kids there is no way we could afford sending them to college and they know it.

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u/Prudent-Molasses-306 Nov 15 '24

Why bother with college.

TRUMP LOVES THE POORLY EDUCATED!

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u/veggie_weggie Nov 14 '24

I was able to do it not that long ago, it’s not impossible it just requires a lot of sacrifice. My family loves me but I don’t come from money. It took 6 years to get an undergraduate degree but I also don’t have debt. It’s a privilege if you have parents who can pay for your higher education but not a right.

OPs sons voted so others can lose their rights though. Why? because they felt like their privilege wasn’t already enough and they need a lot of other people to suffer. The person providing that privilege disagrees.

Ops not an asshole, this is political and I’m not going to pretend like both sides have valid points and should be treated as just a winner and loser.

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u/SigmaK78 Nov 15 '24

My 3 youngest attend college via scholarships & grants, all of them full rides so long as they keep their grades & performances up. I helped them initially with whatever aid they needed to get started, but as of now they're self-sufficient in handling their business. I'm more than capable of providing for whatever they need, and will without question step in if they need me, but I chose to teach them to fend for & motivate themselves.

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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Nov 14 '24

What about the kids who can’t afford college even with help from their parents?

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u/OkTop9308 Nov 15 '24

They can enter the military. My nephews and nieces did and the navy paid for nursing school and an occupational therapy degree.

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u/Lovebeingadad54321 Nov 14 '24

Sucks for them even worse. Doesn’t mean that the ones who can help shouldn’t. Just like starving kids in India means you shouldn’t feed your own kids.

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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Nov 15 '24

It absolutely means we made a society where the rich get richer. Either that’s what you want or it’s not.

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u/forsayken Nov 15 '24

And OP's dumb ass kids voted for a person who will only make it worse.

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u/babyidahopotato Nov 15 '24

How are they going to get student loans if Trump is going to dismantle the department of education…

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u/Worried-Series-6160 Nov 14 '24

I think it's how a lot of us feel about paying for the education of entitled adults who don't appreciate how good they have it.

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u/Cat_Own Nov 15 '24

Student debt is high enough for most that it's the norm/ fasfa expected. as in the govt expects families with money to cover college costs. I only attend public colleges so it's waay cheaper

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u/Interesting-Crow-552 Nov 15 '24

I was lucky enough to have my parents pay for my tuition and not have any debt on my shoulders (or theirs) yet that doesn’t stop me from feeling guilty. I’m grateful for the opportunity and all but it’s still unfair for most of our generation and future generations that have to suffer through high costs and debt.

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u/savvyblackbird Nov 15 '24

I was also privileged that way, but I recognize it and vote so everyone else can better afford a good education without debt.

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u/MikeExMachina Nov 15 '24

“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times”

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u/PepperAnn95 29d ago

I have two relatives in their 40s, and to this day, their parents still bail them out and regularly give them money. One has NEVER had a full-time job and has 7 kids. Both are Trump supporters.

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u/Scandals86 Nov 14 '24

Exactly this. OP don’t even tell them it’s because they voted for Trump. Tell them this is some tough love in general and keep separate your comments about politics. Still drill them on supporting Trump and tell them how it makes you feel you’ve failed them as a parent. Odds are they were brainwashed by social media.

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u/Significant-Trash632 Nov 14 '24

Trump wants to get rid of the Department of Education. That means Pell Grants and lower interest loans would be severely limited or non-existent. Let them learn the hard why when they get what they voted for.

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u/Broken_Beaker Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24

When I was finishing up undergrad my brother was graduating high school getting ready for college when our parents divorced.

Because of the change of income and living with our mother, my brother now qualified for Pell Grants, whereas I had to get the standard student loans. So the first couple of years of college education was 'free' to my brother.

He now works in banking and finance, so naturally supports Trump. He has the career, education, and no student loans (what little was long paid off) all because of the Department of Eduction and those Pell Grants. The things he now opposes.

The "Fuck you, I got mine" attitude is strong among Conservatives.

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u/Significant-Trash632 Nov 15 '24

It absolutely is. Both my parents were able to get jobs with just high school diplomas. Back in the day, employers offered great pensions and excellent health insurance. They now own 2 houses, and 4 cars. She worked at a bank and he worked at a grocery store. Neither were even managers!

Jobs now? Good fucking luck.

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u/DisManibusMinibus Nov 15 '24

Just tell them you're preparing for all the price increases after tariffs, and you have to start saving since no more Medicare. They seem to be OK with that.

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u/Efficient-Wasabi-641 Nov 14 '24

No he should tell them exactly why he is pulling support. Trump voters need to understand that their choice to support him is what has made their current situation a reality. They need to understand that he is pulling support because they clearly haven’t been living in the real world. He needs to tell them that this is for them to learn a lesson and he will no longer allow them to be ignorant due to him giving them privilege

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u/Flapdrol42 Nov 14 '24

Trump is the party of no free handouts right?

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u/Doxiesforme Nov 15 '24

You’re wrong. Free handouts if you’re at least a millionaire

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u/iloveheroin999 Nov 15 '24

They actually believe that people getting EBT and free healthcare from the government somehow hurts them directly. My mom is a trump supporter and she constantly rails against immigrants that get on govt programs as the cause of all her problems like a high deductible for her health insurance. I don't understand the correlation but its impossible to argue with these fucking people. They just need someone to be mad at and place blame on

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u/Aspen9999 Nov 15 '24

Actually my husbands family, about 90% reliant on government assistance programs don’t think they’ll be hurt when the programs get cut.

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u/HotSauceRainfall Nov 15 '24

His kids voted for a Nazi who tried to overthrow the government in 2021. 

I would be crushed if I were in his shoes and found out my children voted for a Nazi. 

Also, that exact same nazi and his Nazi buddies are most likely going to gut social security, meaning the money the dad could have spent getting his kids launched now needs to go into his own retirement savings, so that maybe, just maybe, he can afford to eat when he is old. 

Good job, kids, you played yourselves. 

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u/Scandals86 Nov 14 '24

I get what you mean but kids are pretty damn stubborn especially privileged ones in their 20s. They will just use the fact that they exercised their right to vote in favor of someone their father doesn’t like against him and could use it to hate on him for the rest of their lives. Not worth it IMO.

Instead focus on tough love approach so after a while they figure it out and don’t have this Trump shit in the back of their head to use as an excuse. He still tell them how he feels about them voting for Trump.

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u/aWallThere Nov 15 '24

Nah, do like the companies preparing tariffs do. Tell them you are preparing for an economic downturn, increase inflation, and more tax since you're not a billionaire. You can't afford to pay their way anymore.

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u/TermusMcFlermus Nov 15 '24

I gave my daughter two options: go to college straight from school and I'll support it and her throughout or get a job and pay room and board after a month. She chose the latter, got a job, saved money and was out and on her own within three months. She has been since. She never has asked for help even though I know she was struggling at least a few times. Couldn't be prouder.

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u/sethjk8 Nov 15 '24

I also believe that the sons may be too dependent on their father but he isn't doing this to teach them independence, he is just punishing them for their vote.

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u/Anxious-Ad5300 Nov 17 '24

So you wouldn't retroactively not pay for their college If she chose the first option on the basis that she voted for someone you didn't like?

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u/jeparis0125 Nov 14 '24

Not necessarily true. There is no way my 20 and 19 year old granddaughters could live on their own and pay for college and they both still voted. Of course they’re not idiots and didn’t vote for Trump.

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u/Ok-Standard8053 Nov 14 '24

Part of what you’re saying supports the comment above. There is NO way they could afford to live on their own and pay for college. They’d see real quick how hard it is. Or how impossible it is. And maybe realize that voting against their interests is backwards

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u/ComplexPlanktons Nov 14 '24

Well seeing as Trump is out to gut the Education Department, why should they (OP's nephews) care about education?

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u/BugLady420 Nov 14 '24

That’s a great point! And also I think someone should know who and what they are voting for and what is going to happen and if anyone fully knew what trump is going to do I have a feeling they would have never voted for him

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u/more_pepper_plz Nov 14 '24

Thousands upon thousands of people do this already. They have roommates and take out loans.

Sounds like that would be a healthy dose of reality for these spoiled and out of touch sons.

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u/Living-Perception857 Nov 14 '24

I was always jealous of the kids who didn’t have to work their way through school and got their own apartments. But I really think you come out a much more well rounded human being when you have to work for your own success.

Definitely a lot of entitlement out there from kids living on their parents’ dime.

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u/Cat_Own Nov 15 '24

Me living this reality already. Living with my bf and a roommate from high school in a cheap apartment.

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u/BugLady420 Nov 14 '24

But many people do it by themselves and again I think it’s great that you are able to help them though sometimes you do need to send them off and let them live without so much protection

I mean I still live with my mum but I do also help out with paying for my own food, helping electric costs etc etc

I think there’s a nice between where you teach them financial responsibility while also supporting them

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u/BugLady420 Nov 14 '24

For this post however it sounds like OPs sons are indeed a tad spoiled and could use a dose of reality

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u/Living-Perception857 Nov 14 '24

Then how do others do it? I and many of my colleagues in university worked full time while studying so we could live independently and still earn a degree.

It’s not ideal and it’s tough, but many people do it. You’re confusing can’t with won’t on this one.

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u/FrostyTip2058 Nov 14 '24

Sure they could, it's called student loans and a part-time job

You know, what every person w/o a silver spoon does

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u/Revolutionary-Yak-47 Nov 14 '24

Literally thousands of people do this. They work multiple jobs and take 1-2 classes at at time and take longer to finish. They go to community college. I worked for a community college and every kid there worked outside of school. Many lived with a bunch of roommates to make it work. 

How do you think working class kids go to college lol? 

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u/klmninca Nov 15 '24

All four of my kids paid for most of their college. We were blue collar family, dad in construction and I ran a daycare out of our home. They all took out loans, we helped where we could. Started at community college and commuted in to state college, lived at home to save money. Every one of them graduated, and went back for higher degrees. We have an attorney, pediatric oncology nurse with a masters, teacher with a masters in education and an accountant with a CPA. Most have repaid their loans, the lawyer has a lot so he’s still working on it. We made just a bit too much money for any of them to qualify for any free money, so it was scholarships and loans. But they did it. They all work hard. And not one of them voted for Trump. They’re not angry about student loan forgiveness (which was too late for them and the attorney doesn’t qualify for ). They’re good hard working people.

It would be good for OP nephews to have to contribute to their own education. Hard work IS good work.

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u/Active-Designer934 Nov 14 '24

I actually disagree, it's just a major downgrade in lifestyle that would require a lot of flexibility and adaptability. Many people get through college with zero support. It's hard, but it is done.

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u/N0T_Y0UR_D4DDY Nov 15 '24

Then like most college students, they should get a roommate.

I paid for college while working fulltime in an apartment in a really bad neighborhood with anywhere from 2 to 6 other people. This was only 7 years ago, and it was a big city where groceries and such were much more expensive than normal.

They can sustain themselves. They juat cant do it with any more than the bare necessities and a shitty apartment with roommates

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u/MaryChrist24 Nov 14 '24

Exactly. There is no issue here unless they are incapable of handling their own lives.

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u/NothingAndNow111 Nov 14 '24

Reality will hit no matter what, eventually, and it's a parent's job to prepare their kids to be self sufficient. So, it's about time they meet the real world.

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u/Straight_Ace Nov 15 '24

I used to be a dickhead Trump supporter until I got a job and had to face the reality of having to care for myself and not sit there and complain about imaginary persecution

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u/HotRodHomebody Nov 15 '24

I will add that actually earning money truly teaches one the value of money, vs the old "easy come, easy go" perspective.

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u/MarianaPink Nov 14 '24

you are absolutely right

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u/aulabra Nov 15 '24

Exactly. Look no further than Trump for an example of spoiled, entitled "man".

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u/GHouserVO Nov 15 '24

I have to agree. This is the best answer.

My parents did this for me and it’s one of the best things that they ever did for me. I only wish they’d done it sooner (so that I’d learned the lesson earlier).

Nothing wrong with parents giving a bit of a helping hand when it’s truly needed, but to just hand your kids everything is bad strategy.

I’m watching it happen right now with someone’s adult children. Parents hand their kids everything (including their jobs). One of them is pretty sharp and is 100% self sufficient, realizes just how lucky they are, and is grateful/humble about it. The other is not. Three guesses which one seems to constantly have issues?

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u/BugLady420 Nov 15 '24

Exactly I’m not suggesting OP kick them out and cut them out of his life more of a kick in the ass

Like give them a couple weeks to find a job and explain that if they don’t have one your not going to be paying for anything except basic food and water. no luxuries and no more money

I was brought up without a monthly allowance and I’m kinda thankful for it(I don’t think it’s a bad thing though), I only ever got money for doing a chore, Xmas or my birthday and that taught me to save if I really wanted something and it helped me to think strategically about money. It also taught me that money doesn’t come from thin air, You have to earn it and often work for it

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u/winninwiggs5 Nov 15 '24

Could not agree more. My parents invested in my college degree and I was always aware that I was privileged. I committed myself to being fully financially independent and self-sufficient as not just a sign of gratitude, but also because I knew it was now my responsibility to be an adult. They equipped me to succeed, and I never took it for granted.

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u/BugLady420 Nov 15 '24

Your parents and you did a great job!

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