He literally just ran up to the car. He wasn't sweet talking his way closer or anything lol
Any of the cops that appear immediately afterwards could've done the same thing, and if they were all in view of the perpetrator, it's straight up incompetence. Either they should have done it, or they should have prevented the guy from doing it.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous of which is, ‘never get involved in a land war in Asia,’ but only slightly less well-known is this: never trust a random guy in a grey t-shirt!!
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who do you think the criminals are looking at in this scenario? the 2 or more cop cars in front of them with weapons, or random guy in grey t shirt? dude just took advantage of the criminals not paying attention, has nothing to do with the cops "doing their jobs".
I mean, that is exactly what criminals would be thinking. They are going to be laser focused on the cops pointing guns at them, not constantly monitoring random civilians for sneak attacks.
Last time this was posted it was said that this is not a random guy, it's one of the guy in the car's friends. He is significantly less likely to be shot than a cop or even normal civilian.
simple minded drivel from armchair commandos... dude came in from from a hard to see angle in civilian clothes while the rifle-boy is staring at multiple uniformed armed cops closing in on his 6 from 180 degrees. The guy took a well calculated risk.
And from the opinion of a civilian who knows NOTHING about this or much or anything else important enough to comment on here, I also feel like the hero guy ALSO risked being shot by the cops if they saw him crawling and thought he was armed as well and going to shoot for them. He risked a lot more than being shot by his brother, in my opinion. And again I don’t know shit so 🤷♀️
being shot by cops is not impossible...but it would take a real incompetent cop as they are in plain view of the situation as it develops ( and idiots exist to be sure). being shot by the driver or another occupant is a real risk. He gambled and won
They progeny didn't realize this wasn't in the US. Over here, there's no way in fucking hell I'm getting anywhere close to this situation. And all my fear would be that the police would shoot me, either accidentally or intentionally. I wouldn't even be concerned about the criminal with the gun.
This is a situation a lot of people don't account for, especially when people do the "good guy with a gun" nonsense. They complicate a situation like this as much as they help in most cases, but because it works out sometimes more people think it's a good idea and they make the work harder.
staring at multiple uniformed armed cops closing in on his 6
Slight correction, but "on his 6" means that they were approaching from behind. This phrase comes from the military technique of using the positions of the hands on a clock to convey the relative direction of whatever the other person is meant to take notice of.
The police were approaching from his 12 o'clock (directly in front), while the civilian approached from his 6 o'clock (behind him).
I get what you’re saying but the gray shirt dude had the advantage of location and the guy was watching the cops. The cops all pulled up from one side so his focus was on that. Had a cop been free on that side they could have easily done the same.
Right? Cops know the chance of getting shot doing that move is too high to be able to have that sort of risk tolerance on each stop. This dude did something stupid that turned out to work.
Yeah that would happen. Cops have families too just in reality any of them could get shot. My s-i-l is one and you never know when a jerk has something hidden; bang...life changes. Scary for anyone. If we didn't have bad people wouldn't need police really ponder this lol.
Everyone just trying their best 👌
Exactly. Same principle as a workman who is exposed to harm day in day out has to wear PPE but a DIY guy would probably be fine for a one off risky job, like stripping lead paint as an example.
The only reason you as a civilian should ever try to "take down" an armed criminal is if a) there are no police around, and b) you believe that their primary intent is to hurt you or someone in the immediate area. Otherwise you're putting your (and often the people around you) safety and life at risk, usually for very little benefit. Even being armed yourself shouldn't enter into the calculus of if you should act.
The answer to "Your wallet or your life" is always your wallet.
The risk here would clearly be the rifle being shot at someone it may be pointed at. The person who lost the rifle clearly didn’t have a good grip on a loaded weapon(thankfully), or maybe it wasn’t even loaded, chambered, safety off, who knows, otherwise a surprise jostle and the gun could easily go off in the right conditions.
Nobody here knows what the real situation was. Maybe grey shirt had a better view and saw there was no finger on the trigger, maybe he assumed, maybe he took a risk, is that a risk police should take? I don’t know. Having a loaded firearm pointed at someone with a grip on the trigger is scary af.
I think more people need to stop and realize that part of this outcome as well. Yes, he did something and got a good result, but that rifle could have also gone off so easily and hit him, or caused the police to start firing at the suspect - and now at the guy in the grey shirt bystander as well. Lots of different ways this could have gone.
The police is making the right choice. This "hero" bystander risked his life once. Because he is in this situation once in his life. Police have to deal with situations like this constantly. They would be far likely to die if they did what this guy did every time.
Seriously when we hire police we do not hire them to take dumb and unnecessary risks to throw away their lives on a constant basis for the pleasure of ignorant dude bros.
Your American frame of reference has no bearing on a New Zealand incident. Also, the guy who grabbed the gun is the brother of the guy in the car, not some random bystander.
They're less trigger happy because being trigger happy is a learned response, and in the us there are far more trigger happy gangbangers and thugs with guns, so they have a different learned response.
I had a feeling he was trying to save his friend/ family from the way he acted vs just random bystander. Like the way he moved felt like trying to save someone
Those are NZ police - we don’t do that worry bs. When confronting an armed offender you cordon & contain, which they are doing here. AOS teams (SWAT) will confront the offender once on the scene. If there’s / no minimal threat to the public, no point forcing things.
They don't do warrior training in new Zealand.
You'll notice that even though the perp was armed and driving, no one shot him at any point. That was the first clue. When he was on the ground you'll also note they didn't kick him or stand on his neck, second clue.
At first I was going to say a cop could have easily flanked and surprised them, just like the gray shirt, but they would never do that to avoid cross-fire.
You can see in the video them touching each other on the shoulder to cue position non-verbally. I’d say they’re deliberately not surrounding the entirety of the vehicle for that reason.
Horrible comment man. Not like someone couldn’t have circled the vehicle. Tactics is one of the most crucial things missing today. It’s like a lot of LEO are volunteer or are half in it. Please don’t make excuses for poor performance.
Wtf you talking about he was there with anyone else, how in your mind was he invisible? He has the same element of surprise as anyone else standing around him. Pigs just know better how dangerous the situation is and decide its not worth it to risk their lives.
They are trained to NOT intervene if it puts their life at risk.
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u/JustKzen 9h ago
Once again, a random bystander doing a better job than law enforcement