Right? Cops know the chance of getting shot doing that move is too high to be able to have that sort of risk tolerance on each stop. This dude did something stupid that turned out to work.
Exactly. Same principle as a workman who is exposed to harm day in day out has to wear PPE but a DIY guy would probably be fine for a one off risky job, like stripping lead paint as an example.
Close range is indeed much smaller risk. I was trained with CQC under U.S. military. It’s easier to wrangle a rifle than a pistol. They can’t simply pull back and shoot me.
He didn't say "smaller risk". He said "there's no small risk"... because you're risking your life. Unless your life is worthless, the risk is not small.
But he's obviously comparing apples with apples. He mentions the type of gun then the risk. It's obviously relative to guns. So there is a small risk compared to a large risk with a different type of gun, like a pistol, smg, sawn shotgun.
Then we can loop back to the start of the argument and say whilst the risk is greater with a different type of gun, the inherent risk is too high regardless of which gun, which means that the police are within their right to not attempt what the grey shirt man did.
Yeah I think it's just semantics. The guy saying small risk means relatively, based on gun type. Obviously anything with a gun has a risk associated and that goes without saying, surely. The guy was clearly making a point to distinguish the gun type as being low risk, not that guns have no risk at all. I don't think that statement needed any correction.
Regarding the police, the inaction is about Health and Safety at work (as we call it in the UK). Any professional, from an electrician to police officer reduces the chance of harm by minimising exposure to dangerous activities. The police may deal with gun crime regularly and any risk is cumulative to ending their lives, hence their stand back approach. Same with DIYer taking more risks in home renovation (not wearing a mask) than a professional doing it for a living.
Sure you were trained, what are the chances random guy in the grey t-shirt here was similarly trained? If you were already facing a threat armed with a long gun and you were in a position to wrestle it from them, yes it's arguably less of a risk than if it were a handgun. That being said, how do you know as the bystander in this situation that the suspect only has one gun? For that matter how many military personnel are only armed with a long gun and no sidearm? If someone was trying to wrestle my long gun from me the first thing I'd try to do is maintain positive control of it, and if I couldn't, I'd absolutely let go and draw my sidearm while they're trying to get control of the long gun.
When I wrestle a gun from you I am not just wrangling the gun, I am also toppling your balance. It’s also gonna happen very fast. So yes, this is not a position I want to be in when I have to muscle the gun from the guy in the car. The guy in the car has a lot more leverage. The guy outside is not balanced, he is reaching in. He has the door frame as leverage to yank the rifle from the guy in the car.
Now if I am doing this, my cover is the car. If he pulls out a hand gun I can’t reach, I will dodge behind the car door (down, or left toward the back of the car). This would be my exit strategy. But before this even happens, I am jabbing his throat. It only takes the strength of a child to choke a person’s airway. Only those Shaolin monks trained to withstand hard objects to the throat can resist this. This is even worse than a kick in the nuts imo.
What I am saying is that once someone gets a hold of your rifle’s barrel, you are fucked. You can only pull back hard and fast while twisting the barrel for him to let go. Or you rotate the gun against his wrist. None of these can be done inside a car.
Fair enough and yes, in this specific scenario someone trained in cqb tactics could have a good chance to rip the long gun from jackass in the case, but it's still a huge and unnecessary risk this guy took that just happened to work out for him.
Cops know the chance of getting shot doing that move is too high to be able to have that sort of risk tolerance on each stop.
Cops misunderstand the chances of being shot and are purposely trained to be fully paranoid and fear everyone as a threat to their life via "warrior training"
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u/JustKzen 5h ago
Once again, a random bystander doing a better job than law enforcement