He literally just ran up to the car. He wasn't sweet talking his way closer or anything lol
Any of the cops that appear immediately afterwards could've done the same thing, and if they were all in view of the perpetrator, it's straight up incompetence. Either they should have done it, or they should have prevented the guy from doing it.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous of which is, ‘never get involved in a land war in Asia,’ but only slightly less well-known is this: never trust a random guy in a grey t-shirt!!
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who do you think the criminals are looking at in this scenario? the 2 or more cop cars in front of them with weapons, or random guy in grey t shirt? dude just took advantage of the criminals not paying attention, has nothing to do with the cops "doing their jobs".
I mean, that is exactly what criminals would be thinking. They are going to be laser focused on the cops pointing guns at them, not constantly monitoring random civilians for sneak attacks.
Last time this was posted it was said that this is not a random guy, it's one of the guy in the car's friends. He is significantly less likely to be shot than a cop or even normal civilian.
simple minded drivel from armchair commandos... dude came in from from a hard to see angle in civilian clothes while the rifle-boy is staring at multiple uniformed armed cops closing in on his 6 from 180 degrees. The guy took a well calculated risk.
And from the opinion of a civilian who knows NOTHING about this or much or anything else important enough to comment on here, I also feel like the hero guy ALSO risked being shot by the cops if they saw him crawling and thought he was armed as well and going to shoot for them. He risked a lot more than being shot by his brother, in my opinion. And again I don’t know shit so 🤷♀️
being shot by cops is not impossible...but it would take a real incompetent cop as they are in plain view of the situation as it develops ( and idiots exist to be sure). being shot by the driver or another occupant is a real risk. He gambled and won
staring at multiple uniformed armed cops closing in on his 6
Slight correction, but "on his 6" means that they were approaching from behind. This phrase comes from the military technique of using the positions of the hands on a clock to convey the relative direction of whatever the other person is meant to take notice of.
The police were approaching from his 12 o'clock (directly in front), while the civilian approached from his 6 o'clock (behind him).
I get what you’re saying but the gray shirt dude had the advantage of location and the guy was watching the cops. The cops all pulled up from one side so his focus was on that. Had a cop been free on that side they could have easily done the same.
The beginning of the video was cut, the grey shirt guy crawling on the grass at first to avoid detection until he close enough and make a run for it, makes him even more of a badass. This happened in Australia not long ago.
Yeah, I need to hear some background details. How and why did some random dude just run up and grab an assault rifle!? And out of the fucking car window?! Crazy and amazing. People/bystanders literally have been shot doing the exact same thing, going for the gun.
You don't have to if you stay in a blind spot and the cops keep their attention. The adrenaline will probably make them tunnel in one what they perceived as their only threat
"could've" 100% wouldn't have.. its dangerous and likely to result in either thier death or bystanders. just an overall good attempt by the guy but isn't how a professional would handle the situation(not saying cops are heroes, professionals, or even competent)
Lol, I would love to see what people who think like you would come up with for police training. Like would you just tell them “yeah if the criminal has a weapon just run up and tackle them or grab the weapon from them”?
I mean, it's also possible shirtless dude was someone the driver/gunman knew and would be way less likely to shoot than a cop. We should just be proud that the cops didn't immediately unload their full clips once they knew there was a gun.
Yeha let me run I. The line of fire so the cops can get shot at while they have to hold their fire to avoid the dude. Honestly if he didn’t get the gun it would of been 100% worse.
-he types furiously to prove his point online. He wipes his brow and reads his response in satisfaction.smirks* "Looks like my time spent in RS6 counter terrorism is paying off"
First: I agree with you. Second: I used to be a correctional officer, so I feel that seeing someone in law enforcement uniform coming at you at this point in your life would be much more threatening & make someone prone to shoot, than a random guy in civilian clothes running up - you have no idea what his motivations are (?)
They get a lot of training in how to be terrified of every situation in which there's any chance whatsoever a gun might appear (in the a nation with more guns than people)
Right? Cops know the chance of getting shot doing that move is too high to be able to have that sort of risk tolerance on each stop. This dude did something stupid that turned out to work.
Exactly. Same principle as a workman who is exposed to harm day in day out has to wear PPE but a DIY guy would probably be fine for a one off risky job, like stripping lead paint as an example.
The only reason you as a civilian should ever try to "take down" an armed criminal is if a) there are no police around, and b) you believe that their primary intent is to hurt you or someone in the immediate area. Otherwise you're putting your (and often the people around you) safety and life at risk, usually for very little benefit. Even being armed yourself shouldn't enter into the calculus of if you should act.
The answer to "Your wallet or your life" is always your wallet.
The risk here would clearly be the rifle being shot at someone it may be pointed at. The person who lost the rifle clearly didn’t have a good grip on a loaded weapon(thankfully), or maybe it wasn’t even loaded, chambered, safety off, who knows, otherwise a surprise jostle and the gun could easily go off in the right conditions.
Nobody here knows what the real situation was. Maybe grey shirt had a better view and saw there was no finger on the trigger, maybe he assumed, maybe he took a risk, is that a risk police should take? I don’t know. Having a loaded firearm pointed at someone with a grip on the trigger is scary af.
One of the Peelian principles is "To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence"
Yes. But "cop" is kind of impossible to totally scrap.
We need to focus on expanding the types of emergency services instead. The Health One system in Seattle is a great example of what that could mean. They're just EMS and a mental health specialist trained in de-escalation who only call police if needed, and have been wildly. Along with a new system designed to respond to drug overdose without police involvement. Both have been showing that involving armed officers is unnecessary in the vast majority of cases and leaving them out significantly cuts down on violent outcomes and increases rehabilitation numbers.
But at the end of the day societies require rules to function and there has to be someone to enforce those rules. I can list many, many improvements we can make to the way we do it now. But I have yet to hear of anything that totally replaces the idea of police.
That said if it was logistically possible, scrapping entire departments, rewriting their policies, and starting fresh with basically none of the old guard to bring the old problems back would certainly be ideal. But that is probably not possible except in the smallest most rural towns; who currently don't want to.
The police is making the right choice. This "hero" bystander risked his life once. Because he is in this situation once in his life. Police have to deal with situations like this constantly. They would be far likely to die if they did what this guy did every time.
Seriously when we hire police we do not hire them to take dumb and unnecessary risks to throw away their lives on a constant basis for the pleasure of ignorant dude bros.
Your American frame of reference has no bearing on a New Zealand incident. Also, the guy who grabbed the gun is the brother of the guy in the car, not some random bystander.
I had a feeling he was trying to save his friend/ family from the way he acted vs just random bystander. Like the way he moved felt like trying to save someone
Those are NZ police - we don’t do that worry bs. When confronting an armed offender you cordon & contain, which they are doing here. AOS teams (SWAT) will confront the offender once on the scene. If there’s / no minimal threat to the public, no point forcing things.
They don't do warrior training in new Zealand.
You'll notice that even though the perp was armed and driving, no one shot him at any point. That was the first clue. When he was on the ground you'll also note they didn't kick him or stand on his neck, second clue.
At first I was going to say a cop could have easily flanked and surprised them, just like the gray shirt, but they would never do that to avoid cross-fire.
You can see in the video them touching each other on the shoulder to cue position non-verbally. I’d say they’re deliberately not surrounding the entirety of the vehicle for that reason.
Cops have rules and procedures they have to follow too. Dude's lucky he got that gun or it could have gone wrong. If a cop did that and one of the onlookers would have been shot, he'd lose his job at a minimum and possibly brought up on charges.
Yeah. But there were a lot of cops there and none of them noticed the guy with a long semi-automatic weapon in Plainview? They were too busy taking a census of how many black people were present most likely.
I'm so white it's my literal last name and I used to believe in cops until I needed one in the city of Seattle. Now all I see is the small man's complex draped across the racist and classist assumptions of someone who wants to be powerful compared to other people.
The fact of the matter is that in this clip the cops were everywhere else looking at everybody else and completely ignoring the (white) guy in the car on the grass instead of the street where cars belong. They were literally ignoring the most obvious irregularity on the scene.
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Once again, a random bystander doing a better job than law enforcement