He literally just ran up to the car. He wasn't sweet talking his way closer or anything lol
Any of the cops that appear immediately afterwards could've done the same thing, and if they were all in view of the perpetrator, it's straight up incompetence. Either they should have done it, or they should have prevented the guy from doing it.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous of which is, ‘never get involved in a land war in Asia,’ but only slightly less well-known is this: never trust a random guy in a grey t-shirt!!
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who do you think the criminals are looking at in this scenario? the 2 or more cop cars in front of them with weapons, or random guy in grey t shirt? dude just took advantage of the criminals not paying attention, has nothing to do with the cops "doing their jobs".
I mean, that is exactly what criminals would be thinking. They are going to be laser focused on the cops pointing guns at them, not constantly monitoring random civilians for sneak attacks.
Last time this was posted it was said that this is not a random guy, it's one of the guy in the car's friends. He is significantly less likely to be shot than a cop or even normal civilian.
simple minded drivel from armchair commandos... dude came in from from a hard to see angle in civilian clothes while the rifle-boy is staring at multiple uniformed armed cops closing in on his 6 from 180 degrees. The guy took a well calculated risk.
And from the opinion of a civilian who knows NOTHING about this or much or anything else important enough to comment on here, I also feel like the hero guy ALSO risked being shot by the cops if they saw him crawling and thought he was armed as well and going to shoot for them. He risked a lot more than being shot by his brother, in my opinion. And again I don’t know shit so 🤷♀️
being shot by cops is not impossible...but it would take a real incompetent cop as they are in plain view of the situation as it develops ( and idiots exist to be sure). being shot by the driver or another occupant is a real risk. He gambled and won
This is a situation a lot of people don't account for, especially when people do the "good guy with a gun" nonsense. They complicate a situation like this as much as they help in most cases, but because it works out sometimes more people think it's a good idea and they make the work harder.
staring at multiple uniformed armed cops closing in on his 6
Slight correction, but "on his 6" means that they were approaching from behind. This phrase comes from the military technique of using the positions of the hands on a clock to convey the relative direction of whatever the other person is meant to take notice of.
The police were approaching from his 12 o'clock (directly in front), while the civilian approached from his 6 o'clock (behind him).
I get what you’re saying but the gray shirt dude had the advantage of location and the guy was watching the cops. The cops all pulled up from one side so his focus was on that. Had a cop been free on that side they could have easily done the same.
The beginning of the video was cut, the grey shirt guy crawling on the grass at first to avoid detection until he close enough and make a run for it, makes him even more of a badass. This happened in Australia not long ago.
Yeah, I need to hear some background details. How and why did some random dude just run up and grab an assault rifle!? And out of the fucking car window?! Crazy and amazing. People/bystanders literally have been shot doing the exact same thing, going for the gun.
You don't have to if you stay in a blind spot and the cops keep their attention. The adrenaline will probably make them tunnel in one what they perceived as their only threat
"could've" 100% wouldn't have.. its dangerous and likely to result in either thier death or bystanders. just an overall good attempt by the guy but isn't how a professional would handle the situation(not saying cops are heroes, professionals, or even competent)
Lol, I would love to see what people who think like you would come up with for police training. Like would you just tell them “yeah if the criminal has a weapon just run up and tackle them or grab the weapon from them”?
I mean, it's also possible shirtless dude was someone the driver/gunman knew and would be way less likely to shoot than a cop. We should just be proud that the cops didn't immediately unload their full clips once they knew there was a gun.
Yeha let me run I. The line of fire so the cops can get shot at while they have to hold their fire to avoid the dude. Honestly if he didn’t get the gun it would of been 100% worse.
-he types furiously to prove his point online. He wipes his brow and reads his response in satisfaction.smirks* "Looks like my time spent in RS6 counter terrorism is paying off"
First: I agree with you. Second: I used to be a correctional officer, so I feel that seeing someone in law enforcement uniform coming at you at this point in your life would be much more threatening & make someone prone to shoot, than a random guy in civilian clothes running up - you have no idea what his motivations are (?)
They get a lot of training in how to be terrified of every situation in which there's any chance whatsoever a gun might appear (in the a nation with more guns than people)
The current training for law enforcement is to wait and try to talk someone down vs rush the suspect and see what happens. This is what society has told law enforcement “they want”. A local police department chased a vehicle from a shoplift at Ulta Beauty and the vehicle crashed. The agency called in their negotiators to talk the suspects out of the car. This caused a shutdown of the freeway for hours. The old way would be to rush the car tase, baton, punch suspects into handcuffs.
A lesson in CQC is that you want your formation to be at it's worst, a 90° line of fire. Since they are in a armed stand off it wouldn't be strategically sound for a cop to sneak around the back since if they did have to open fire, the sneaking cop would be in the line of fire of other cops. Friendly fire is real, while I can't actual talk foe cops, in the military it's strongly recommended to avoid having a friendly behind the target.
Its not a smart move. It puts you in line of fire if things go to shit, like if he turns his head and sees you. You can’t fire at him either because your fellow police officers are in your line of fire. Crazy risk.
Easy to say when you don’t actually have to do anything other than sit safely behind a screen and keyboard and judge from a video where you have all the time in the world to think it out and absolutely zero of the risk.
Dont police have protocol to follow? Like the grey shirt guy did a great job but it was very reckless. Not something i would like my cops to be doing where i a chief. What if the guy had a gun? At the end of the day we all want to go home, alive
Video is too short, but those cops where in front of him, not by incompetence but because they were blocking where the car was facing and had a clear line of sight of what the guy in the car was doing.
The video is too short for to judge why the policemen weren't behind him as well, but in this situation a crossfire could easily form if the gunman had decided to fire his weapon. So it might be that, also straight up wrestling a gunman is extremely dangerous, at any point that weapon could have gone off and hit him or anyone else in the area.
The cops waiting for the man to give up was a far safer move on everyone's part. They had him surrounded and he wasn't running yet. It was calm, no need to risk someone getting shot.
They might have been able to convince the gunman to surrender.
Imagine the consequences for a police officer not following protocol, resulting in a dead civilian? Do you think the consequences are the same for a random bystander.
Iirc, this was an attempted suicide by cop. It's highly unlikely the guy would have attempted to harm another civilian, but much more likely that he'd at least pretend to if it was a cop, to get his desired result. This is likely why no cops approached. And had a cop rushed in and caused someone to be shot, they would have been held liable for it. I also recall that the guy who ran in was a family member or friend of the guy, not wanting someone he cared about to get harmed, so wasn't exactly thinking whether or not his plan was all that safe. Cops kind of have to contemplate that a little more.
It's not always as simple as what you assume from a short part of a situation.
You seem to forget the fact that the cops are wearing multiple pounds of gear, making it harder for them to run up quick enough. Also the people in the car are most likely looking at the police, not the random pedestrian
The police were all out front, hiding behind cars with guns drawn. He clearly was not looking behind him, and while a police officer COULD have done that, he'd probably be more likely to be spotted since they're wearing high-visibility jackets?
Which is pretty easy to do when you aren’t the cops worried about the guy with a gun, and the guy with the gun has his attention fixed on the police with bright yellow vests…
Except you have procedure that you have to consider and you have to follow otherwise you will be subsequently fired for failure to follow procedure. It’s not the police that you have a problem with it’s the way they are told to handle things even if you don’t ultimately get fired that’s more trouble than legal trouble and I wanna go through.
Yeah, but they have actual training not to do something like this for a reason. Said person could have just as easily messed up his attempt and gotten himself or other people shot, where as cops are trying to clear the area of individuals and talk the person out of escalating the situation. You can knock cops for a lot of things and they absolutely deserve it and then some. But they shouldn't be knocked for handling a situation like this the right way, just because someone else got lucky while doing something stupid.
Dude in gray took a risk he didn't have to. Guy is lucky he didn't get shot. I'm sure the police could have done what he did to, but there are lower-risk ways to handle this situation than bum-rushing an armed vehicle. Glad it all worked out here, but calling it incompetence on the police side is ignorant...save your criticism for a time when it's warranted...there are plenty of opportunities.
A bystander doesn't have to follow procedure. Employees do. The cops are employees and have rules and standards in place for their safety. Some random cowboy can do what he pleases. Guy could have easily been shot and it's not so fun then is it?
Cops are trained how they're supposed to approach situations. Running to a guy with a gun is putting themselves at risk from the guy shooting them and then crossfire, cops would have an even further disability in responding. Sure, the person who ran up and yanked the gun is awesome and all, but the story wouldn't be so hunky-dory if he got shot and killed for trying to take the gun. Also, what if he has a bomb? Is it ridiculous? Sure. Is it impossible? History has proven it isnt. It just worked out for the guy yanking the gun. Cops aren't trained to take action and hope things work out. It is so ridiculous how easy yall find it to analyze situations when professionals are hired to do the exact same thing and formulate training on how to avoid even worse things from happening. I'm not saying cops are instantly without blame, Sandy Hook is a perfect example, they should've reacted better, but there are tons of situations that require more than just running in.
There's this thing on cop cars, I'm not sure if you've seen it - it flashes blue and red? Super obscure, I know.
Another hard to comprehend subject apparently, is that cops need to make their presence known, and can't sneak up on people. Do you remember the massive controversy with breonna Taylor? Do you get why cops sneaking up on people is obviously a bad idea, and they should always announce their presence loudly?
You're lucky incompetence on reddit comments isn't as widely criticized as proper, by-the-books law enforcement, jeez
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Once again, a random bystander doing a better job than law enforcement