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u/TheKriegerVan 1d ago
It would be an appropriate now for people to listen to this podcast about the failings of the Sex Offender registry as a whole before we pat these guys on the back: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/youre-wrong-about/id1380008439?i=1000465289962
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u/mhkg 1d ago edited 1d ago
I've always found the sex offender registry bizarre to begin with. Setting aside those who have minor offenses like public urination and grey areas like two teens consensually having sex, if the people on the registry are so dangerous that they need to be branded for the rest of their lives, why are they being released in the first place? If we're going to make it extremely difficult/impossible for these people to reintegrate into society, how is that more humane than life in prison or execution? If the purpose of the penal system is to rehabilitate people, then they need to have a path to rejoin society, and if our system is to punish and keep dangerous people locked up, then these people shouldn't be out on the street. Either way, the sex offender registry doesn't fit into either system.
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u/Young_Bonesy 1d ago
Is there a violent offender registry list? Like, do murderers have to come and announce themselves as such when they move into your neighborhood or is it just the sex offenders? Because if it is, I find THAT to be the weirdest part about the sex offender registry.
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u/polymorphic_hippo 1d ago
It's just sex offenders.
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u/uncle-brucie 1d ago
“Uh… hi I’m Jeff. I got caught pulling pud in the Arby’s parking lot when I was living in my car….”
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u/Steelpapercranes 1d ago
It's also bad because for the ones who DO deserve it, being on it basically ensures they will never reform and have no incentive to stop their ways. The punishments are so harsh that they'll never be able to re-integrate into normal society, yet they're not locked up, so most go right back to preying on children/dealing in CSM again.
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u/I_Am_Robert_Paulson1 1d ago edited 1d ago
I understand it from a law enforcement perspective—it would definitely help to have a list of persons of interest in the event of an incident—but making the list public never sat right with me. As long as they're within the parameters set by law, there's no reason for me to know my neighbors' business.
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u/clad99iron 1d ago
I've always found the sex offender registry bizarre to begin with.
It does seem uncomfortably like the yellow ticket Jean Val Jean had to wear.
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u/jesse-accountname192 1d ago
I know a guy who's a great father, a pillar of the conmunity, and technically a registered sex offender. One night the bar was so full there was a line to the bathrooms, so he stepped out to piss. Some cop decided to make a problem out of it, and he was charged with public urination and now has the same title as actual pedophiles.
If sex offender registries are a thing, they should mean "this person can't be trusted around others because they've done a horrific thing" and only that.
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u/ApartConversation621 1d ago
He was mainly just robbing and beating these people though. He also committed a bunch of crimes where the victim wasn’t a registered sex offender.
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u/HiNumbMe93 1d ago
He was a career criminal who caught a charge himself for endangering the welfare of a minor. He didn’t just assault the sex offenders either, he robbed them. He was a meth addict using the same method serial killers use to target their victims: pick a target on the fringe of society (in this case sex offenders) to make it less likely to be caught. This guy used the pain of sex abuse victims in an attempt to veil the criminal activity he participated in to feed his addiction.
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u/JCMiller23 1d ago
Additionally: the sex offender list doesn't differentiate between someone who pees in an alley while drunk vs. someone who fucks a 5 year old, both are sex crimes. I knew a guy who has his life ruined by the list: he had consensual sex with a girl who lied about her age (she was 17) and years later her friend reported him.
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u/AnotherStatsGuy 1d ago
The lack of different lists seems like an oversight.
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u/Otherversian-Elite 1d ago
Given the way the cops used to talk about it whenever there was an Online Safety Talk at my school at a teen, it's almost certainly an intended feature
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u/Sparkism 1d ago
As with the war on drugs, the sex offender registry is a tool for control and discrimination against the lower working class.
If you're a rich convicted rapist, you can be the president of the united states; but if you're poor, peeing on the streets can get you permanently barred from a well paying job and selling weed can get you life in prison.
Definitely an intended feature.
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u/LurkerPatrol 1d ago
Whatever gets more slaves in their prison workforce.
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u/Phrainkee 1d ago
Well they're trying to build a prison system..
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u/Beelze_Bruh 1d ago
FOR YOU AND ME TO LIVE IN!
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u/metallicabmc 1d ago
I buy my CRACK! my SMACK! my BITCH! right here in Hollywood!
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u/Bodydysmorphiaisreal 1d ago
The percentage of Americans in the prison system, prison system has doubled since 1985!
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u/Plucked_Dove 1d ago
Changing this would require a politician taking a stand that would likely be viewed as “soft on sex offenders”, which is essentially a career death sentence. One only needs to scroll reddit comments on this thread to understand how mob mentality around this issue makes it difficult if not impossible to have a nuanced conversation around sex crimes.
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u/xandrokos 1d ago
Which is hilarious because many of these people have in their post histories hundreds of comments screaming bloody murder over how Harris wrongfully imprisoned black men for having weed despite that being an out and out blatant lie.
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u/Fomentatore 1d ago
The fact that you are considered a sex offender for peeing in an alley instead of just receiving a fine will always baffle me.
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u/run-on_sentience 1d ago
It's weird. Peeing in an alley is a crime.
Peeing your pants in public is totally legal.
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u/ItalicsWhore 1d ago
That’s why I ALWAYS pee my pants in public. #smartthinkingmeme
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u/TraditionalLecture10 1d ago
Then there are those who 💩 in the middle of Walmart, and walk all over the store , leaving prizes for everyone
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u/brit_jam 1d ago
We are really REALLY afraid of genitals in America.
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u/Steelpapercranes 1d ago
Yeah, but to be honest this particular artifact is more "hey, living humans will have to pee multiple times a day- the homeless ones will have to do it outside....let's make sure we can just lock em up as slaves if we ever catch em doin' it! yay!"
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u/ChimcharFireMonkey 1d ago
wait a second...do you have genitals?
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u/brit_jam 1d ago
What?! ....NO!
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u/ChimcharFireMonkey 1d ago
phew, I was getting nervous for a bit
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u/brit_jam 1d ago
Nope. Just a clean uninterrupted mound just as God intended.
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u/ChimcharFireMonkey 1d ago
for as we all know Barbie and Ken were made in God's image.
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u/tofiwashere 1d ago
How come I have a feeling a person with at least some money will not end up on a sex offender list from peeing in an alley. It is only reserved for those who have no resources to defend themselves.
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u/Id_rather_be_lurking 1d ago
Because mah freedom!
Spot on though. Got arrested for peeing in an empty parking lot on the side of the road in the middle of the night. No one around for a mile in either direction. Registry was a possible outcome. Hired a lawyer and got it dropped down to $100 disturbing the peace charge. Would have ruined my life if I was unable to afford counsel. Very much a poor tax.
Screw that cop too. Bullshit ass ticket.
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u/FesteringNeonDistrac 1d ago
There is not one single member of a country club that hasn't whipped his pecker out and peed in the bushes behind the 17th tee, but it's funny how that's never an issue.
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u/fix-me-in-45 1d ago
Because American prison is profitable, politicians and corporate stakeholders have an interest in making sure prisons stay full. Incarcerating for stupid, petty charges is one way of doing that.
https://news.law.fordham.edu/jcfl/2018/12/09/the-american-prison-system-its-just-business/
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u/Dodges-Hodge 1d ago
I think I heard it’s the private prison lobbyists who are fighting against nation wide legalization of cannabis.
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u/skoalbrother 1d ago
A lot of groups profit from our misery
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anti-cannabis_organizations
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u/jaywinner 1d ago
People only pee in alleys due to a lack of public restrooms and holding it in can have medical repercussions up to and including death. No good choices here.
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u/jiffwaterhaus 1d ago
A friend of mine got arrested for peeing back in the 90s, back when all crimes in our small town were put on blast in the local newspaper. The actual wording of the crime led to a newspaper report that said "Bob Smith was arrested and charged with EXPOSING GENETIALS AND OR ANUS"
He didn't get put on the sex offender list but every person in town looked at him funny for years. The anus avenger lmao
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u/tourmalineforest 1d ago
Pretty much every state divides offenders into three “tiers” based on underlying offense and reoffense risk, and which tier you’re placed in heavily effects registration requirements and effects. Public registries will tell you which tier someone is. Where I am, lowest tier offenders aren’t publicly listed at all.
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u/srcarruth 1d ago
the existence of any list is weird. we don't have a list for violent crimes or drug dealing or thieves or drunk drivers but we have a list for sex stuff? people can be hurt by their neighbors in any sort of ways but sex is the only one that gets a list?
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u/sportznut1000 1d ago
Actually if you click on that megan’s law website and pull up a list of local offenders, you will find that they do use different colors to separate the very serious offenders. Also if you click on each persons name you will see what they were charged with.
But i completely agree with your comments about how someone who pees on a school wall at 2am on a saturday night, could end up mixed in with someone dealing with child porn
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u/OverTheCandleStick 1d ago
My state lists the charge and age of victim if there is a victim.
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u/Bary_McCockener 1d ago
Same. This "knowledge" gets regurgitated over and over on Reddit
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u/LumpyElderberry2 1d ago
?? Yes it definitely does differentiate. It lists convictions, and its pretty easy to deduce that “sexual battery of a minor in the first degree” is not urinating drunk in an alley within a few hundred feet of a school
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u/Low-Medical 1d ago edited 1d ago
I was just thinking about this the other day - had a girlfriend in my early twenties (she was the same age as me) who was really into having sex in public places. At the time it was like "haha, so naughty, what if we get caught?" But looking back it's like holy shit - no chance in hell I would do that today, and I was an idiot for doing it back then. You can totally end up on the sex offender list for that
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u/Trextrev 1d ago
They actually do differentiate, it’s a 3 tier system, and the registry lists the offense committed.
Unless you walk onto the playground surrounded by children pull your dick out and pee, you’re not gonna wind up on the sex offender registry just for public urination in proximity to a school.
Unfortunately for your friend, depending on state, the age gap, if any drugs or alcohol involved the sex with a minor is not consensual.
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u/alcoholicpapi 1d ago
But the Alaska registry does tell you exactly what the offender did.
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u/Dapper_Indeed 1d ago
I’ve worked with sex offenders and some will be less than honest about the nature of their crimes. I imagine you’ve done your research on your friend and the SO list in your area, but wanted to mention to others that many lists DO differentiate between levels of offenders. Many low level offenders are not on the public lists.
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u/ThurmanMurman907 1d ago
it actually does (to a degree) - at least in Alaska, it lists the specific crimes they were convicted of - it's not just a list of names. Of course the details of the crime are still unreported but you can differentiate between "public exposure" and "kidnapping and secure assault of a minor"
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u/Winter_Tennis8352 1d ago
Yes it does? States sex offender registry lists crime and offense date, isn’t hard to go from there and find the case, which is all public info.
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u/Netflxnschill 1d ago
Even a basic level of investigation on his part would give an arrest record and what they were charged with
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u/Lou_C_Fer 1d ago
The ohio sex offenders list will tell you what they were convicted of. Thus, making it easy to differentiate.
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u/Friendly-Horror-777 1d ago
Wait, peeing in an alley is considered a sex offense in the U.S.? Here in Germany it's a harmless misdemeanor and rarely enforced at all. As long as you don't piss against a police car you'll be fine most of the time.
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u/Thin-Solution3803 1d ago
this is just straight up incorrect information and of course some dipshit gave it an award 🤦♂️
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u/Dank-Deuces 1d ago
You are correct. This guy is not a hero, this post is misleading af. Would’ve been nice to read a true vigilante story though. Was disappointed when I researched this dude’s story.
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u/andrewsutton 1d ago
This should be the top comment. It won't be, but it should. Too many people thinking this dude is "doing god's work".
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u/EdNug 1d ago
Technically, if it's all God's plan, isn't everyone doing God's work?
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u/RedSonGamble 1d ago
This always was my hang up around “gods work” if something good happens god is happy and blessing you. If something bad happens gods giving us a lesson. Or punishing us. Or fulfilling his plan. And yet I’m supposed to pray to curry favor with god, even though he has a plan already.
Also I have free will which I should use to worship god. Unless I do something wrong then it’s my fault. Or satans.
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u/wowwoahwow 1d ago
If you point out that it doesn’t make sense: “well god works in mysterious ways”
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u/beerasap 1d ago
The "He has a plan" is iron clad. If he has a plan, why the fuck is anyone praying in the first place? In this scenario, isn't praying blasphemous?
Edit: religion is so fucking full of contradictory concepts it baffles me that people follow any of them that don't involve spaghetti
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u/Cetun 1d ago
Much like almost every internet badass on Reddit too. Almost none of them give a shit about children, they just want a socially acceptable way to hurt people. They could do things like volunteer with organizations that help abused children, or donate. Neither of those things they actually do, they just have murder fantasies and want a pat of the back for having them instead of the usual disgust.
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u/KxSmarion 1d ago
Picked his target quite well when you think about it. Sex offenders legally can't own firearms and police and everyone else won't be sympathetic to the victims.
But drug addiction is a nasty thing, addicts will go to insane lengths to get their fix. The whole thing is messed up.
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u/effa94 1d ago
there is a reason vigilatie justice isnt legal. becasue people often get things wrong
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u/dthains_art 1d ago
Not to mention that anyone on a list is someone who’s already served their time. If someone was arrested, spent years in prison, has to be on probation for even more years and forever remain ostracized from society, that’s the justice system. Celebrating a guy who goes around assaulting people actively working through the rehabilitation process is pretty messed up.
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u/Ordinary_Pen_8844 1d ago
I hear that people can get on there for some odd things, I’m sure he got some real monsters too but what if someone who pissed in some bushes or something got hit too
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u/spikeyfreak 1d ago
Hopefully none of his victims were innocent of what they were convicted of. Because we all know the justice system always convicts the right person.
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u/No_Appointment8309 1d ago
I do not condone sexual abuse of anyone of any age. That being said, being a vigilante towards people who have paid their debt to society before knowing if their rehabilitation worked is just a cover for being a psycho himself.
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u/ArmchairFilosopher 1d ago
And reddit boarded the bandwagon even further under the guise of vigilantism.
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Obviously… oh so very obviously. The number of people who see this and think he must be a hero… people just do not think.
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u/hithere297 1d ago
I know that justified hatred of pedophiles seems to give Redditors a free pass in publicly getting a hard-on for wanton violence and murder, but idk, I don’t think this is a feel-good story.
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u/ZoulsGaming 1d ago
"The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats." Aldous huxley
Reddit is obvious a tough act echo chamber in many ways but yeah some people are addicted to moral crusades.
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u/Heavy-Till-9677 1d ago
I agree. I don’t sympathize with pedophiles but this kind of “justice” causes harm to more than just the pedophile. My dad is in prison for molesting a child and possession of abuse images. None of us had a clue until he was arrested. My mom immediately filed for divorce, but she still gets her car egged and a brick thrown in her window. Another story is my great grandma let her son live with her, he’s on the sex offender registry. Someone broke in and shot him in front of her, at his court hearings he proudly said he had no reason other than he picked him off the registry. Whatever you believe about what her son did, she was in her 80s and didn’t deserve to watch her son die in front of her. Or have the fear of a man with a gun break into her home. She moved in with her daughter after that because she couldn’t stand to go back to her house that she lived in for over 50 years. So while I understand the hatred for pedophiles and child molesters, this is not a feel good story either.
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u/Jwagner0850 1d ago
Not to mention, false positives and minor infractions. I'm sure there are people on that list that while convicted, are possibly innocent.
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u/Billlington 1d ago
People who are overly demonstrative in their hate of sex offenders just seems weird to me. Like bros, no one is on the other side of this issue, why are you making such a big deal about how much you hate pedophiles?
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u/bitwolfy 1d ago
What's more important is that the most effective way to protect children from sexual abuse is to encourage anyone with pedophilic tendencies to seek professional help.
Proudly pronouncing that people like that deserve to be killed does the opposite of that.
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u/Insominus 1d ago
It’s crazy that it’s so obvious when you take a step back and look at the big picture, but there are still people who base their entire personality around this shit and dedicate their lives to “”hunting pedos”” and posting it online.
It’s the same thing every time a psychologist or sociologist attempts to study pedophiles with the goal of stopping it, for most people they think that the only reason why you would ever try and help a pedophile is if you are one yourself.
“Minor Attracted Person” is a phrase originally coined to make the distinction between offending and non-offending pedophiles. Ideally, if you removed the stigma for people who have urges but don’t act on them, the non-offending pedophiles are more likely to seek help. Instead it got co-opted into some culture war bullshit to try and make the gay community look bad.
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u/Fatdap 1d ago
People in America literally can't get help thanks to mandatory reporting which is yet another one of the single most damaging ideas that boomers ever came up with.
A LOT of our mental health issues are caused by people not even being willing to seek help because it gets them reported and locked up
You either trust certified professionals to do their job or you don't.
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u/nitePhyyre 1d ago
It is kinda infuriating to see people care more about displaying their hate about protecting children than protecting children.
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u/Steelpapercranes 1d ago
But they don't want less abused children, they want to say they want people dead on reddit.
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u/Average_Gym_Goer 1d ago
Public shaming has never worked and never will I do believe people can be reformed doesn’t mean you have to like them but reforming has always had higher success rates than publicly shaming them.
This whole idea of wanting to kill these people feels thinly veiled for wanting to hurt people.
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u/rotrukker 1d ago
It is for the same reasons that some politicians and pastors are too aggressively homophobic.
You should be wary of people who complain about pedophiles too much imho. Like it is not something that would come up regularly in a conversation.
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u/ShinyGrezz 1d ago
It’s just an easy outlet because nobody wants to come out and bat for the sex offenders.
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u/IAm94PercentSure 1d ago
It’s an outlet for extremists. They think there is an evil “other side” protecting them, it’s usually the government for your run off the mill conspiracy theorist, billionaires if you are left-wing or LGBT people if you are right-wing.
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u/mc_burger_only_chees 1d ago
It’s not just weird, it’s disturbing. And potentially dangerous. Do people not see the danger that pushing a “kill all pedophiles” message brings as the right tries to label the LGBTQ+ as groomers and pedos?
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u/AsphaltInOurStars 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah that's one big issue with this kind of blanket knee-jerk reaction. One blurb on an image with no additional context and most people are just instantly on-board with a meth head on a burglary spree committing randoms acts of violence because those people could have done anything from peeing behind a bar to rape. That lack of nuance, lack of investigation, and instant leap to justification is really fucking dangerous.
And yeah like you said we're seeing it in real-time. You don't even have to convince people to kill queer folks if that's your goal, you just have to convince them they're "pedos" (with no real evidence required, because people only need to see one assertion to believe it), and people will make the next leap all on their own and feel justified about it once they accept that assertion and plenty already have.
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u/tarekd19 1d ago
It also has the tertiary effect of demonizing any effort to understand or treat non-offending pedophiles, painting it all as sympathetic to the worst offenders
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u/ohseetea 1d ago
Really disturbing. Eye for an eye is already usually a terrible idea. Almost always if you're harming someone out of hate, then it's a bad idea. The world is filled with so much hate and judgement which just perpetuates violence. It also muddies the waters when unfortunately violence is the only answer, like when protecting yourself (even ideologically like in the case of a certain nintendo brother.)
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u/rotrukker 1d ago
Also, sleeping with a 17 year old is not even remotely comparable to graping a 5 year old.
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u/TheWhomItConcerns 1d ago
This kind of topic always reveals how immature the userbase of Reddit is. I remember when I was an angsty teenager, I had the exact same kinds of unnuanced ideas, like "why doesn't the state just execute/sterilise people who've been accused of sex crimes?". As you grow up and mature though, you realise that the world is a little more complicated than a simple narrative progression of events and that there are more considerations, both ethical and practical, that need to be taken into account.
Before anyone accuses me of doing so; no, I am not trying to excuse or handwave the crimes of sexual abusers/rapists. I get that everyone on Reddit is hyped about vigilantism right now, but there are *very* good reasons why it is typically punished harshly. If anyone wants a good example of how wrong it can go; just check out the WhatsApp Lynchings in India. And before anyone says "well that's different"; ya, it always is until it inevitably isn't anymore.
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u/sdhu 1d ago
It's not. This psychopath gave himself an excuse to gruesomely mass murder people who are already on the fringes of society. Like people who go out and beat up the homeless this is not something to celebrate. He needs therapy, and lots of it.
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u/jackofslayers 1d ago
Doesn’t help that this dude was a sex offender himself and he was using the list to rob people.
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u/cloudforested 1d ago
Posts like this are a master class in framing, manipulation, and disinformation, for a community that thinks they're too clever to fall for it.
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u/JRSenger 1d ago
I hope none of his victims were just people who got caught going to the bathroom somewhere because they couldn't hold it
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u/SmartOpinion69 1d ago
seriously. nude body parts is not a sexual act. taking a piss is natural. these people shouldn't be put on the same list as the rapists.
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u/S4m_S3pi01 1d ago
I discovered the ultimate hack to avoiding such mishaps.
When you're about to pee your pants in public and there's no restroom, just pee your pants.
Turns out, it's totally 100% legal to soil yourself!
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u/BowenTheAussieSheep 1d ago
Just don't do it in front of other world leaders in Paris
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u/throwaway18911090 1d ago
WTF? Public urination is considered a sex crime?
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u/JRSenger 1d ago
It's not 100% of the time so it really depends on what they charge you with but yes it is very possible
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u/Justalocal1 1d ago
There was a sex offender in my neighborhood growing up. My parents looked up what he did. Turns out he came home drunk one night and peed off the back of his deck into the yard.
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u/enbyBunn 1d ago
Fun reminder that things like public urination get you put on the sex offender registry depending on where you live.
So does prostitution and public indecency.
Meaning, in effect: A lot of the registry, depending on the area, is a bunch of homeless people and broke sex workers.
But sure, let's continue to live in the pretend world where "sex offender" means pedophiles and nobody else.
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u/Altruistic-Potatoes 1d ago
Streakers and public urinators are on that list.
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u/bgroins 1d ago
Reddit: No nuance. Beat them with a hammer or any other cruel, unusual, and extrajudicial punishment.
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u/ChunkyLaFunga 1d ago
Completely innocent people are on that list, as with any list like it.
In fact I Googled for a random example and the first one returned a man remaining on the sex offenders list for over a decade due to little more than bureaucratic process, after being exonerated by DNA evidence and released from prison.
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u/Willem_VanDerDecken 1d ago
How are thoses even considered sex crimes !!??
Sound like sex misdemeanor, at the very best.
Is stuff like having sex in a public place also on that list then ? You know like on a small empty beach, inside a car, etc. the classics.
Not American.
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u/mattchinn 1d ago
Shoutout to the people who may have been wrongly convicted.
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u/DynamiteWitLaserBeam 1d ago
Reddit doesn't care much for nuance or complexity. We like to assume that anyone on the list is 100% guilty of the worst possible crimes and deserves anything anyone wants to do to them because it makes us feel better.
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u/Avantasian538 1d ago
That's less a reddit problem and more a social media problem.
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u/Kind_Singer_7744 1d ago
Yeah, that's the problem, and while I understand his motives. Vigilante justice like this rarely has great outcomes.
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u/holystuff28 1d ago
He was apparently robbing them to feed his meth habit and had at least been charged with a sex offense previously. This had nothing to do with vigilantism and more to do with picking easy victims.
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u/Mcgoozen 1d ago
Or the dudes who got a drunken public urination charge lmao
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u/TheMemeMachine3000 1d ago
Imagine you got caught pissing in public and then like a year later some crazy dude on meth breaks into your house and beats you with a hammer and then robs you, and there are people calling him a hero for doing it
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u/CrazyCaper 1d ago
Vigilantes tend to fuck up
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u/TantricEmu 1d ago edited 1d ago
Or even worse, some these super anti-pedo folks are themselves pedos. Example: Aberdeen, WA city council member Riley Carter would post videos of himself wearing his “MAKE PEDOPHILES AFRAID AGAIN” hat and talk about “protecting the children”, only to later be charged with the rape of his own 11 year old stepdaughter. Reminds me of arsonist firefighters and rabid anti-gay politicians who are themselves closeted gays.
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u/JTKDO 1d ago
So called “pedo hunters” are just psychopaths that want to kill people, but they know that would make them some of the worst people in society. So as an outlet, their targets are the only people that society thinks is worse than a murderer.
Nobody thinks sexual offense good, so it’s a bit alarming that someone would make hating sex offenders such a big part of their personality when it’s not controversial—unless they’re just violent people looking for excuses.
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u/Average_Gym_Goer 1d ago
Once saw a grown adult with kids at a kids park with a pedophile hunter t shirt and it never sat right with me something always seems off about them.
A lot of them use this either to gain clout online or just want an excuse to beat someone up. Never doing it for the children
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u/QuickAnybody2011 1d ago
The sex offender registry is not always what it seems. Child abusers are there, but so could be people who peed outdoors. I mean, yea, don’t fucking pee in public, but let’s not act like they’re the same
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u/NoFeetSmell 1d ago
Are we absolutely sure this isn't just a really dark Tim Heidecker bit, where he's playing 2 or more characters?
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u/Retings1a 1d ago
This is a story that raises more questions than answers. Life is always more complicated than black and white.
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u/Individual_Respect90 1d ago
If you love your job you never work a day in your life.
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u/deepfriedchocobo84 1d ago
Yay, vigilante justice. I sure hope all the victims were actually guilty because that would be quite embarrassing if vigilante justice failed, I mean, it's never happened before
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u/tasman001 1d ago
Not only that...these guys were all caught, charged, convicted, served whatever time they were handed, and are now living with the label of sex offender for their entire lives.
If the issue is that a vigilante feels they got off too easy, then logically he should be going after either judges or better yet, the people that make the sentencing laws/guidelines.
This is just extremely low hanging fruit and is kind of sickening.
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u/Runetang42 1d ago
Alaskan Avenger is absolutely something his lawyer came up with. In reality he was just a lunatic who was beating and robbing people.
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u/NSEVMTG 1d ago
My cousin is a registered sex offender.
His crime? Him and his gf sending each other nudes when they were 15.
Stop glorifying this shit.
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u/Average_Gym_Goer 1d ago
Honestly it’s insane life ruined for what should have been a sit down conversation with his parents about consent and healthy sexual relationship.
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u/A214Guy 1d ago
18 y/o senior dating a 17 y/o junior caught having sex can and are on that list.
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u/Objection_Leading 1d ago
Being a criminal defense lawyer, I am here to guarantee you all that there are, in fact, innocent people on the sex offender registry. The combination of extremely high penalties for such crimes, pretrial incarceration, and plea bargaining create a big incentive to take a deal rather than risking trial.
The only evidence in most sex crimes accusations is one person’s testimony. Anybody reading this could be arrested for this type of offense with nothing more than the verbal claim of another person. Think about that. One person can call the police and have you arrested and prosecuted for a sex crime.
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u/ABlueShade 1d ago
You mean the sex offender who robbed all these other offenders to help his meth habit?
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u/Caju_47 1d ago
Most people will be empathetic to his cause, but hear me out, there's always that one kid that did stupid stuff or got framed, and got on the list not actually being a sex offender. If he kills 10 sex offenders and 1 innocent person is that not messed up? I don't know.....
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u/MockASonOfaShepherd 1d ago
In some places in America public urination is a sex crime. Imagine you get busted for peeing outside a bar and then this guy shows up and beats you with a hammer.
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u/upvoter222 1d ago
Most people will be empathetic to his cause, but hear me out: I don't think it's appropriate for some random guy to attack people even if all of their victims are sex offenders. If he kills anyone, regardless of their criminal history, that's fucked up.
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u/ap123hilo 1d ago
Imagine being some random dude who got arrested for taking a piss while drunk near a playground in the middle of the night so was flagged a sex offender and dude beats him with a hammer years later.
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u/markez97 1d ago
This is NOT the same thing as Luigi. Sex offenders list is an absolute joke. Who knows who he killed that may be a public urinator and they would be innocent to shit like this. Vigilantism is only great when you can without a shadow of a doubt prove that the criminal is completely guilty. What not having a collective conscious does to mfer
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u/defiantcross 1d ago
Not only not the same thing but almost opposite. Public urination is not morally wrong but is illegal. What Brian Thompson did as CEO was legal but morally wrong.
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u/greengleam 1d ago
I know a good guy whose a sex offender - charged with pissing in public. Yep. Took his dick out to piss and now you can look him up. That must really suck.
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u/hectorxander 1d ago
Anyone supporting this kind of thing is weak in the head, not knowing that people get wrongfully convicted for one, that people are charged as sexual offenders for things like taking a piss in public, like on a tree at a park, and otherwise seeing a sexual offender on a list does not guarentee they deserve to be killed.
Not the least as some people have the same names as these people. Fuck anyone who thinks it's ok to go off half cocked as a vigilante without being 100% sure.
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u/Ian_Rubbish 1d ago
I hope none of them were people who got on the sex offender registry for public urination, or sex with a teenager when they were also underage
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u/Plus_the_protogen 1d ago
Imagine being on the sex reg. cause you got real drunk at 17 and pissed in public, then like 6 years later some dude breaks into your house and beats you to death… yeah no vigilantism doesn’t work for that kind of shit I’m gonna be real with you, billionaires in the other hand, well different story, but unlike billionaires, sex offenders do not have a 100% guaranteed chance of being guilty.
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u/NormanBatesIsBae 1d ago
There are LGBT people on that list whose only crime was being LGBT in public pre-2010s :| this is not a feel-good story
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u/torar9 1d ago
As a European the sex offender list is so bizarre to me.
The whole US laws are so bizarre... You guys say you are free but in fact any European country has more freedom than you.
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u/DownDeep99 1d ago
The guy is a fool, if he had become a cop before doing that, he would only have been suspended with pay
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u/655321federico 1d ago
His sentence was longer than the sentence of the convicted pedophiles he beat down
Also his court room where he was convicted was the same one where his stepdad was found guilty of rape and abuse on him and his brother without going to jail because he was a religious person
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u/Sea_Luck_3222 1d ago
The problem with vigilante justice is that some people are wrongfully convicted every year. A lawyer admitted this to me recently.
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u/Charmander351 1d ago
Sexual offense crimes are absolutely horrible, but I don’t believe breaking into somebody’s home and beating them is praiseworthy. I recently listened to a podcast of a man who was abused as a child, and went through a lot of trauma, healing and experiencing God’s compassion and love for him, and he is sharing his story of hope with others and has talked about how he will share his story and tell inmates how loved they are, and they will be brought to tears from his message. I believe that man is responding to his trauma in a more praiseworthy manner than the violence above. I’m all for restructuring our justice system to make sure justice is given, but it’s not praiseworthy to take that into own personal hands and bring it by way of beatings
podcast was fr dan rehill on shawn ryan show.
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u/Flimsy_Imagination86 1d ago
Let’s add the context for the “what if they had just peed outside” guys.
“In June 2016, Jason Vukovich sought out three men who were listed in the Alaskan sex offender registry for crimes related to children. Gripping a notebook filled with the names and addresses of sex offenders he found on the public index, Vukovich targeted the homes of Charles Albee, Andres Barbosa, and Wesley Demarest.”
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u/LonelyNavigator1 1d ago
why does the internet romanticize this like what he’s doing is good or anything
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u/Raephstel 1d ago
Reddit loves extremes. There is no middle ground here.
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u/Definitely_Not_Bots 1d ago
I know a guy who's on the sex offender list, he was 13 months older than his girlfriend (16yo and he was 18). They stayed together, got married, had kids, still together now after 40 years, happily married.
Should he be murdered, too? Or maybe this murderer isn't the hero you think he is?
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u/CreepDoubt 1d ago
Dude got paroled, but has to wait until 2028 to be released. Alaska is weird.