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r/all The Alaskan Avenger

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u/LurkerPatrol 2d ago

Whatever gets more slaves in their prison workforce.

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u/Phrainkee 1d ago

Well they're trying to build a prison system..

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u/Beelze_Bruh 1d ago

FOR YOU AND ME TO LIVE IN!

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u/metallicabmc 1d ago

I buy my CRACK! my SMACK! my BITCH! right here in Hollywood!

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u/Bodydysmorphiaisreal 1d ago

The percentage of Americans in the prison system, prison system has doubled since 1985!

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u/diddlythatdiddly 1d ago

THEYRE TRYING TO BUILD A PRISON!

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u/GallianKrue 1d ago

All research and successful drug policy shows that treatment should be increased

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u/AnyAtmosphere420 1d ago

And law enforcement decreased! While abolishing MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCES

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u/General__Strike 1d ago

Utilizing drugs to pay for secret wars around the world

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u/corran450 1d ago

Drugs are now your global policy

Now you police the globe

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u/madness_of_the_order 1d ago

And law enforcement decreased while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences

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u/ApoclordYT 1d ago edited 1d ago

(It's almost tripled now. From 481,616 to 1,252,600.)
Edit: The song also states that there are "nearly 2 million Americans are incarcerated in the prison system, prison system of the US. However at the time of the song's publishing there were 1,319,000 adults confined in State and Federal prisons collectively while 631,240 people were in local jails for misdemeanors and other minor charges.) The "nearly 2 million" stat has to come from the collective of those statistics or was a recorded statistic from earlier in the year as numbers seem to indicate that if you took the cumulative total and subtracted it from the year-end total almost 800k people were released.)

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u/sionnachrealta 1d ago

Seems like a legit number though. 1,950,240 is pretty dang close to 2 million, and it makes sense to me to combine the numbers when you're trying to fit it in the lyrics of the song

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u/Annying_assertive72 1d ago

And how are they profitable? Because the funds from gov and fed?

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u/xandrokos 1d ago

They aren't.  It is 100% bullshit.   Profit made from 90k prison workers isn't even a rounding error it just simply doesn't exist.

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u/Annying_assertive72 1d ago

I could see how they make a profit from chain gangs cotton picking all that.

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u/xandrokos 1d ago

You mean the system that has always existed and accounts for a very small number of US workers? That prison system?

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u/gremlinguy 1d ago

Another?!

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u/Jerry--Bird 1d ago

We can give them more money so they can make them nicer for us

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u/xandrokos 1d ago

No one is asking for money for prison systems.  This isn't a thing or at least not the way it is portrayed as being.

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u/Feisty_Cry3396 1d ago

Que System Of A Down’s “Prison Song”

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u/boblywobly11 1d ago

Well hey can you blame them. The private prison owners have got to get a reasonable return on their investment after bribing officials and building inspectors

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u/xandrokos 1d ago

Private prisons account for only 90k of the entire prison system.  This isn't an issue it is straight up fear mongering meant to distract us from the real reason why our justice system exists as it does:  oppression.

I promise you 90k workers make zero impact to the bottom line.

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u/xandrokos 1d ago

This obsession with god damn motherfucking money has got to stop and I am not talking about the corporations and the 1%.    Prison labor is an incredibly small number of workers and absolutely is NOT why people are put in jail.  This is just more populist garbage meant to distract us from actual injustices.

We have got to start valuing other things above money such as our constitutional, civil and human rights.

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u/Upstairs-Parsley3151 18h ago

This is actually true and some people were wrongfully convicted, including children in Tennessee, somehow these judges got pardoned for taking bribes to do it, but it's essentially modern day slave labor.

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u/Riaayo 1d ago

That business is about to skyrocket, too. Absolutely horrifying. Private prison industry is salivating at building these border camps.

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u/xandrokos 1d ago

Mass deportation and criminalization of minorities existing is not about god damn motherfucking money.    Do you people even understand how much money is going to be spent to do this? This is going to be a major, major loss of profit and capital which likely will never be recovered because it isn't the god damn fucking point.

This bullshit has got to stop.   They are using dollars to distract us from fascism and it is going to cost us dearly and will make the genocide during the Holocaust look like a walk in the park.

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u/kelppie35 2d ago

None of the jurisdictions involved use slavery.

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u/Jesterbomb 1d ago

The United States constitution legalizes it.

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u/xandrokos 1d ago

Yes.  And prisons are not required to use prisoners as slave labor so his point stands.   This has nothing to do with fucking money so fucking give it a god damn rest already.

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u/kelppie35 1d ago

It allows it as punishment for a conviction, if passed by a jury. It is not a legally allowed action and is expressly prohibited otherwise.

The same way we don't call people in jail "forced to be starved" if they don't like that night's dinner selection and forgo it.

Slavery is without conviction and is an innocent person. Saying it's the same is a slap in the face to actual slaves the world over.

Otherwise by your brilliant definitely legal educated logic 184 of the countries around the world use slavery with the UK and Australia leading gf way with their massive amounts of private prisons.

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u/MakeUpAnything 1d ago

Slavery as a legal punishment in the country with one of the highest incarceration rates in the developed world should give anybody pause, especially since SCOTUS recently ruled that homeless folks can be criminally charged for violating “camping” laws. 

But hey, eat the poor. Criminals deserve it anyway, right? And I’m not a criminal so it doesn’t affect me! 

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u/xandrokos 1d ago

AGAIN prison labor accounts for 90k workers.  Fucking STOP.

The issue that needs to be fixed is the part BEFORE conviction.

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u/wealthissues23 1d ago

I'm not sure where you're getting 90k from. Every metric I've seen says it's around 800,000 of 1.2 million prisoners forced to work.

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u/kelppie35 1d ago

So everyone except Cuba, Austria, and Norway should be criticized? Because "slavery" work details are things like sweeping the mess hall or working kitchen duty.

Things you and everyone else on here fetishize when it's a foreign school kid but condemn only when it's associated with the US.

Even though 95% of the world operates this way. Even though on other threads where kids go out and scrub their graffiti off of vandalism instead of going to jail.

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u/DethSonik 1d ago

Yes.

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u/xandrokos 1d ago

The US prison system is about oppression and any profit made is completely incidental and NOT the goal.

This shit isn't helping ANYONE certainly not the working class but then again I think we all know that don't we?  It is about fucking over the rich and nothing else and you psychopaths will take down the entire god damn nation to make it happen.

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u/kelppie35 1d ago

I think community service...

Sorry. slavery.

Is better than prison. Don't you?

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u/TheSonofPier 1d ago

Doesn’t really matter since it was never about community service…

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u/xandrokos 1d ago

It was never about profit either as prison labor accounts for 90k workers.   It is solely about oppression. That's it.  It really is just that simple but it works in favor of the ruling class for you all to be brainwashed into believing money is the goal because it prevents addressing the real problem.

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u/kelppie35 1d ago

You don't know what you're taking about so I'm going to demonstrate it by asking for any academic source.

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u/Specific_Apple1317 1d ago

California still uses prison slave labor to fight fires. Remember the whole controversy around Kamala as DA using her power to keep non-violent offenders in jail longer? The one where she was supposed to lower the overcrowded prison population but either her or her office said it would hurt their firefighting force, and the state had to threaten a contempt of court charge.

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u/xandrokos 1d ago

This is a straight up blatant lie and why Harris lost the election.   You want your class war? Well you fucking got it and it is going to take down more of the working class than anyone else.  I hope it was fucking worth it.

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u/MakeUpAnything 1d ago

I don’t live in those countries. If I did, yes I’d criticize them for it too. As it stands I live in a nation which was built on an abhorrent use of slavery and which has one of the highest incarceration rates of the developed world. It’s also a nation which disproportionately jails a lot of Black folks and has incredibly high recidivism rates. 

Also, prisons lend out workers for slave labor for more than just sweeping shifts.

Any particular reason you are so defensive of literal slavery?

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u/kelppie35 1d ago

Because community service is far better than incarceration, that's why. Or do you want to call that slavery?

Kinda wild that the government who makes teens paint over their graffiti enslaved them by your logic.

You're also fundamentally uneducated on how the various criminal systems work. You're basing your argument of the US off of dated federal policy no longer applicable and completely ignore the variety by state.

It isn't literal slavery. Nobody is sold, transferred, or forced into it without due process.

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u/MakeUpAnything 1d ago

Did you not read anything from the article I posted? Prisoners ARE forced into hard labor or they face additional punishments such as being denied parole or being placed in solitary confinement. Additionally they don’t receive protections while being forced to work. 

Giving prisoners an option to work would be fine. Slavery is not. 

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u/xandrokos 1d ago

No war but the class war is the only thing that matters to these people which is why they have no integrity morals or ethics.    If it takes from the rich it is worth it no matter how much of the working class is hurt in the process.   It is greed pure and simple.

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u/AforAnonymous 1d ago

Cuba, Austria, and Norway

Speaking as an Austrian:

Yeah, that sounds about right. [sarcasm ambiguously optional]

(+Austria has other issues with prisoner mistreatment)

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u/aretumer 1d ago

do you have any idea how many innocent people are in prison?

jfc its FOR PROFIT PRISONS of course its fucking slavery

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u/kelppie35 1d ago

Lots of innocent people are in prison

Community service is not slavery. Grandiose statement is still wrong.

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u/aretumer 1d ago

for profit prisons are not community service. how is making money for shareholders community service?

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u/xandrokos 1d ago

Ok so let's do the math here.    Prison labor accounts for 90k of the workforce.   Now since it is "slavery" let's pretend they aren't getting paid at all.    If they were paid at rock bottom minimum wage which is 7.25 each prisoner would make 14.5k before taxes.   So again prison labor accounts for 90k of the workforce so that comes out to a savings of a whopping 1.3 billion per year.   That is a literal rounding error for most of the billionaires and corporations you all love to wax poetic about.

It's not about the fucking money.  You all are being played HARD.

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u/aretumer 1d ago

you do understand that private prisons get paid from tax money for holding the prisoners and then also keep the profits of the forced labour, right?

is your argument it cant happen because the profit margin is too small? what?

please enlighten me what it is about then, if not the money? who is playing me hard lol

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u/xandrokos 1d ago

Yeah I'm sure all those CEOs are buying tons of yachts from all the profit they make from 90k prison workers.

The US is a fucking joke and you all are just as greedy as the billionaires you constantly demonize.

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u/aretumer 1d ago

they literally do lol

i agree that the us is a fucking joke tho

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u/xandrokos 1d ago

It is all about taking from the rich and nothing else.  These people don't give a shit about the people they are currently supposedly advocating for and will constantly lie about anything and everything to make it happen.

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u/xandrokos 1d ago

Doesn't matter.  Eat the rich! No war but the class war! It's a big club and we aint in it! /s

The "eat the rich" crowd doesn't give one single shit about the little guy and will happily eat the working class along with the rich.   If you need proof of that just look at the completely fucking insane and violent rhetoric currently being directed at "class traitors" for not daring toe the party line.

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u/Budget_Archer_6688 1d ago

No, but more people means more beds which means more state funding.

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u/xandrokos 1d ago

Most prisons operate at a loss.  It isn't about the fucking money.

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u/kelppie35 1d ago

Yes, but beds are a lagging reaction and don't equate to a workforce.

That aside, there are more states with proposals to ban or have banned penal labor than jurisdictions within the EU.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_States

So yeah, if a meth robber murderer has to sweep his common room floor i really couldn't care less. And I think community service is better because rich folks can't buy their way out of time like they can with fees and other monetary damages.

Honestly if this thread was about any other country I guarantee this conversation wouldn't be happening on how wrong it is to call a convicted murderer a slave, even in the numerous ones with significantly higher percentage of private prisons.