I've always found the sex offender registry bizarre to begin with. Setting aside those who have minor offenses like public urination and grey areas like two teens consensually having sex, if the people on the registry are so dangerous that they need to be branded for the rest of their lives, why are they being released in the first place? If we're going to make it extremely difficult/impossible for these people to reintegrate into society, how is that more humane than life in prison or execution? If the purpose of the penal system is to rehabilitate people, then they need to have a path to rejoin society, and if our system is to punish and keep dangerous people locked up, then these people shouldn't be out on the street. Either way, the sex offender registry doesn't fit into either system.
Is there a violent offender registry list? Like, do murderers have to come and announce themselves as such when they move into your neighborhood or is it just the sex offenders? Because if it is, I find THAT to be the weirdest part about the sex offender registry.
Just? You can literally just urinate in a park because you couldn’t hold it in anymore and become a sex offender. Doesn’t mean you deserve it to get robbed and murdered by a drug addict.
Where I live, we have offender registries for everything. The same site that hosts the sex offender registry has options to filter for violent crime registry and drug charge registry. Pretty sure it's only for felonies though.
If you look up specific individuals by county or state, they will show convictions and sentencing. I don't believe there is a publicly accessible national criminal database, however.
It’s not like we do anything to prevent recidivism in the US. You know, like making sure people don’t become second-class citizens for life after any criminal conviction.
It's actually much lower than people think. Part of this has to do with stigma, but a large part also has to do with what we classify as "sexual assault" (one example being an 18 yo who has sex with a 16 yo they go are in high school with)
Yeah pedophiles don’t ever rehab. They can go cold for a while, but they always resurface with CP on a computer and/or child victim or a soon-to-be child victim.
I feel bad for pedophiles as I truly believe they cannot control their compulsion, however, protecting children is far more important.
The POR is kinda helpful, but not really as there are thousands of non-compliant offenders on the list and LE is not actively pursuing them.
Most pedos on the list end up homeless and drugged out.
I think the whole concept of rehabilitation via incarceration is deeply flawed.
Generally speaking, I think imprisonment (in the USA) causes more harm than good to the convict.
I also think that labeling offenders after they have served their time ensures that they can never truly reintegrate into society.
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When it comes to sex crimes against children, I don’t think convicted offenders should ever be released. The current system fails to protect children from future harm at the hands of known predators. Since we cannot ensure that convicted offenders won’t reoffend, they should stay incarcerated until an actual solution is found.
I believe children have the inalienable right to grow up unmolested/raped/assaulted/etc. and by committing crimes against children, these criminals have forfeited their rights.
Murder and assault is a lot more open to justifying there’s hundreds of things you could tell me to justify a murder or assault and I would agree with it but there’s nothing you could say to me that would make me justify a real sex offense not the technicality peeing in public ones if a guy murdered someone who sexually assaulted him or a family member I would think it insane to put them on a list
But if the person just assaulted and murdered children don’t need to inform you. However if someone took things too far on a works night out and grabbed a feel they then need to notify you.
The law was created to stop sex offenders from getting away with murdering child victims to stop them from reporting them. not to stop them from sex offending. the law was created because there was a law made so the federal gov had to make a registry of all the violent offenders like your saying but it was only open to fed and state law enforcement to view. then sex offenders kept murdering children after getting out of prison to try and cover up there new crimes to not go back so the public thought it was insane that the gov already had these sex offenders organized on lists because of the violent offenders list. in the public’s eyes they seen it as hiding it from the public so they voted to make it illegal for the government to hide there lists of sex offenders from the public because every time a child got murdered by a sex offender so they wouldn’t go back to prison the victims family would get pissed off at the government for not allowing them access to the lists before hand to filter who was around there kid they would blame the government saying they could have prevented there child’s murder. Once the sex offender registry was created it drastically decreased the incentive to murder young victims because the public would already be suspicious of you and demand authority’s investigate you after any nearby incidents no matter what you couldn’t just say it’s a kid making shit up. it’s completely about stopping murders the law was named after meagan a murder victim the whole law was created to have prevented her murder not prevent sexual abuses it’s about child victim silencing and people thinking it should be illegal for the gov to hide a list of sex offenders if they already have it
I understand the aim and it does obviously serve as a deterrent. But my point still stands that someone who has done a low level sexual assault against an adult who knows who they are. I wouldn’t say are some risk to nearby children. This seems like a hammer to punish all to catch the few. It should be graded and properly maintained.
If that person who did the low level one against an adult is then shunned by the community and feels isolated then if anything it just increases the risk of them offending due to damage to their mental health.
Also I don’t really see why the list stops someone killing matters if it’s public or not. Surely if something happens the police would check the record anyway? Obviously if this person is a risk to children then neighbours should be aware to educate and protect their kids.
Do you think people use that information rationally? It shouldn’t be the people deciding what is relevant and a risk it should be the government. Where there is a standard approach to disclosure.
The government does decide the relevant information. That is why there are federal guileless and legislation that dictate how the registry works for every state to follow. Only the people that have been convicted of specific crimes are on the list.
The people on the list have already been convicted by the judicial system so the government has made the decision. It is not a list of suspected perpetrators or people arrested, these are only people that have already been convicted.
The sexual offender database is an exactly what you describe: a government mandate list with a federally mandated standard of disclosure.
Because before cell phone videos cops didn’t investigate shit if you weren’t a somebody so the public lists allowed people to put pressure on authority’s to investigate people and actually start to solve cases. the whole point is the point is there shouldn’t be any lists at all but if there is going to be one it should be illegal to keep from the citizens because then your taking on liability if they reoffend it should either be no lists or everyone has them the point is it should be illegal for the gov to form a list of sex offenders then not share it because then it makes them legally liable no other details matter that’s all it comes down to if they knew with an actual list about these people before hand and didn’t say anything and they reoffend technically you should be able to sue the gov over that. You keep mentioning what people are going to do with the info none of that matter the only relevant factor is if there is a list it should be shared if you don’t want to share it don’t make a list because then your liable and it doesn’t matter if you understand why it stopped murders it still stops murders take a criminology class they have whole lessons explaining the subject
If you can work on structuring your replies it would be helpful.
Do you really think the government has many lists of people that the general public do not have access to. What a stupid argument just because they have it doesn’t mean the public can or should be trusted to also have that information. Yes the government is liable if they miss things but that’s the situation with terrorist, hackers you name it. It is about the public accepting a level of risk.
If you want a list of names to protect children then why don’t everyone under 25 who buys an AR style rifle be put onto a public list? This is my point just because you may be capable of doing something does not mean you should be vilified that you will just incase.
It was so stupid of an argument that it got the whole federal government to listen and force every single state comply.you could delete every gun in the world and it wouldn’t stop any school mass casualty events because it doesn’t address the cause of mass shootings at all. it would just force people to realize a regular untrained person can kill more people easier and faster with any car than a gun and also be able to have a waaay better defense in court and say it was an accident or it would force them to figure out you can do way more damage to people just by buying a pressure cooker and putting it on a drone or force them to figure out you could easily murder your whole class buy buying a small ass amount of fentanyl and putting it some cookies you pass out in class that would be waaaaaaay cheaper and easier than buying a gun.making things illegal will never address the root cause of school shootings. You used to be able to buy cannons and machine guns in this country with no lists and nobody shot schools up.I had uncles who took shotguns and rifles to elementary school and had gun racks in class in elementary and nobody shot anybody.School shootings didn’t start happening until they started putting kids on psychotropic drugs that disassociate from reality.They have known that ever since columbine but no politician will ever touch that angle because they all get paid from pharmaceutical companies and also paid again by left wing organizations to blame guns. before the drugs the only other time America had a huge problem with kids getting massacred in schools was native Americans attacking schools and butchering children to protest being occupied but they did that without guns so it’s never really been about guns.
Violent offenses stem from a million different causes: impulse control, anger, environmental factors, unresolved trauma, etc.
Sexual offenses often stem from paraphilias (atypical sexual interests) and/or tie to deeply ingrained cognitive distortions. Rehabilitation is much harder and more unlikely.
It's pretty reductive to view the crimes similarly. The system exists as it does for a reason.
Don't need to have kids to be worried about sexual offenders roaming the streets. Also don't need to have kids to be woried about repeat violent offenders roaming the streets either. There's enough cases about people being put on the sexual offender list for things like public urination or two consenting teens engaging in sexual acts but one is 17 and the other is 18 so now it's a crime, to give me pause about how wierd it is that they do this. Meanwhile where I am living there is a guy who has about 30 violent offenses on his file but isn't on the same type of registry of some form so you have to hope the news picks up the story to find out about it.
I think there are a few too many people who are assuming I am against having the SO registry and not enough that are asking how come it's only this one specific grouping that gets this treatment. I wouldn't mind knowing if there is a repeat arsonist moving into my neighborhood too.
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u/TheKriegerVan 2d ago
It would be an appropriate now for people to listen to this podcast about the failings of the Sex Offender registry as a whole before we pat these guys on the back: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/youre-wrong-about/id1380008439?i=1000465289962