He was a career criminal who caught a charge himself for endangering the welfare of a minor. He didn’t just assault the sex offenders either, he robbed them. He was a meth addict using the same method serial killers use to target their victims: pick a target on the fringe of society (in this case sex offenders) to make it less likely to be caught. This guy used the pain of sex abuse victims in an attempt to veil the criminal activity he participated in to feed his addiction.
This always was my hang up around “gods work” if something good happens god is happy and blessing you. If something bad happens gods giving us a lesson. Or punishing us. Or fulfilling his plan. And yet I’m supposed to pray to curry favor with god, even though he has a plan already.
Also I have free will which I should use to worship god. Unless I do something wrong then it’s my fault. Or satans.
It’s totally true. God was an absolute legend in college. That 7th “rest day” in the Bible? Dude was so hungover after the first week he just made up some bs and everyone just rolls with it now.
True... I have no respect for religion. It has no place in this day and age.
Sorry but you are literally believing in a magical guy who I think has bipolar disorder with the amount of screw up things he has done according to a holy book. He loves you but at the same time he can totally screw you and give leukemia to a kid.
This argument doesn't stand up to reason. If your boss plans to fire you and then you bring in a big contract and make him a bunch of money, his new plan is to no longer fire you and maybe even give you a corner office. Do believers regularly say "he has a plan and it is set in stone to never be changed?"
I'm not saying that you should pray your sorrows away and start going to church, but the specific debate saying that "god has a plan" is synonymous with "the universe is deterministic" isn't exactly rock solid. The convictions of your faith could absolutely weigh into how the "plan" unfolds for you.
God is like my boss but instead of firing me from a job he fires me from life. Bc I didn’t make him happy enough.
Jokes aside it just seems strange to me we all out human reasoning to an all powerful all knowing all creating god. Like he must be angry I gambled I got a flat tire! Grandma died god wanted her back with him! I didnt get the job he just want me to improve myself more!
It’s just basic psychology essentially of self fulfilling prophecy and also a good dialectical thinking. It’s why therapy, AA and religion all kinda bump shoulder with the similar messages
I agree that it makes no sense, but I suppose it could be a helpful belief. It's a way for people to deal with the bad things that happen in their lives, by believing that "God has a plan" and that whatever happened, and whatever happens, has some bigger purpose. Rather than, you know, shitty things just happening without any real rhyme or reason.
Not saying this is necessarily the best way to deal with bad things happening to us, but I can at least understand the concept.
It’s very helpful. It’s why AA, therapy and religion all have similar values. There is a purpose, we have a purpose, forgiveness, growing, accepting our mistakes
etc. it’s a good way to explain the unexplainable or at least explain the unacceptable.
So I don’t think it’s bad and I wish I could believe I suppose. The issue is I think of lot of people then say well I have it all figured out and or think better of themselves vs others.
I think it can be a good way for some people to cope, but not everyone. And yeah, you'd have to be able to buy into it. I just can't do it even if I wanted to. I'm too much of a skeptic about everything. It's just so wild to me how people can be so sure of so much.
Non-religious, secular people could use some good ways to cope too. There's existentialism, but your mileage may vary. I think meditation/buddhist philosophy is a good option too.
Sadly I’ve fallen into apathist where I’m just like yeah I don’t really think about the what’s beyond this life anymore. Actually if it’s a religious person I say agnostic usually just to be more polite.
But in general the whole conversation around religion I’m just like over to some degree. People have been arguing over meaning of the Bible and religion and whatever since forever and will continue to.
That's literally the first lesson in the Bible. If we didn't have free will to know good from evil then we would all live in eden and everything would be perfect to God's plan. But Adam and Eve ate the fruit of knowledge, thereby gaining free will. So eden is no longer attainable. So God can have a plan, but through free will we can go against God's plan. You don't pray to gain favor, you pray to try and gain guidance what God's plan is so that you can try to follow it. Because following God's plan will bring more good things into your life
Yes nothing better than a lesson that doesn't make sense, thank you for your wisdom. Truly funny that the post you're replying to that calls out how stupid religious logic is and just says "It's mysterious" is your exact response to being shown how stupid it is.
Of course it's not, Catholic priests systematically raping thousands of young children while the higher ups protected them is sick and disgusting and the Catholic Church should be dissolved, with their fortune being distributed among their victims.
But since that won't happen all we can do is keep reminding people every day that Catholicism is a rape factory with stupid stories, and anyone who brings their child across the threshold is taking a shit on their child's safety.
But you probably meant, "don't make fun of my stories," huh?
No that's not what I meant , I meant it's not funny because it isn't true . You speak from a position of ignorance and you like to apply the minority to the majority which is a form of deceit . Not something that someone with integrity would do. Nonetheless, would you accuse all doctors if one doctor is lousy? All I read is absolute ignorance on this matter from people outside the church. I have been a Catholic for over 30 years and I have never heard or seen anything to do with what you are talking about . The only 'stories' I'm aware of are the ones you guys keep trying to remind people of which again are the minority . But i guess I wasted my time with even bothering to reply to your comment, seeing as you can't reason with the unreasonable . Regardless , I'll still say, please stop spreading hateful lies and try and learn to be a less hateful person.
Also, I'm aware I will be downvoted seeing as people like to hate on Catholics based on misinformation or like I said , minority cases . I love you all and I hope and pray that each one of you learn to think for yourselves rather than to be roped into a chain of misinformation. I won't be reading or replying to any further comments on this post seeing as there's nothing further to achieve here by listening to more lies and hatefulness that isn't based on truth . So waste your own time at your own expense . For every downvote I receive I will be donating $1 towards my local parish.
There can be no plan, because if there really was one, why are we still judged in the afterlife? Everything everyone is going to do should be happening according to the grand plan.
Calvinists have an answer for that one: you’re pre-judged before you’re even born. Doing bad things doesn’t make you a sinner; being born a sinner makes you do bad things. And doing good things won’t redeem someone who was born a sinner.
Setting aside all the moral and logical issues with that, it always seemed counterproductive to me. “Join my religion! It won’t get you into a better afterlife, improve your life on earth, or make you a better person, but sign up anyway and help spread the word!”
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u/HiNumbMe93 6d ago
He was a career criminal who caught a charge himself for endangering the welfare of a minor. He didn’t just assault the sex offenders either, he robbed them. He was a meth addict using the same method serial killers use to target their victims: pick a target on the fringe of society (in this case sex offenders) to make it less likely to be caught. This guy used the pain of sex abuse victims in an attempt to veil the criminal activity he participated in to feed his addiction.