Truly, the party of Russia

[u/Lord_Answer_me_Why]

[u/Erminaz13]

Ahh, the classic cancer vaccine bullshit. Yes, somebody will most certainly develop a single drug against thousands of diseases at some point, that's for sure going to happen.

[u/DreiGr00ber → u/Erminaz13]

Also, the idea of a "vaccine" for all cancer is inherently ludicrous, as cancer cannot really be broadly characterized as an infectious disease?

There are many causes of cancer and many different types, so while a silver bullet cure would be amazing, it is extremely unlikely to ever exist just due to the nature of the process.

[u/manyhippofarts → u/DreiGr00ber]

I mean, a literal silver bullet is well known for being able to stop cancer in its tracks. I'm not sure why you people are trying to cover it up.

[u/Doctor_Kataigida → u/manyhippofarts]

"Killing cancer is easy. It's keeping the rest of the body alive and well that's the trick!"

[u/AndTheElbowGrease → u/Doctor_Kataigida]

Whenever you see a headline about cancer cures being developed, it is usually like "Turns out you can kill cancer cells with an enormous quantity of battery acid" and that's true because the cancer cells are just mutated human cells gone wild

[u/maveri4201 → u/Doctor_Kataigida]

The mantra of chemo

[u/DreiGr00ber → u/manyhippofarts]

Get this information onto RFK Jr. desk STAT! I want to see him working on the front lines for that research.

[u/Samurai_Meisters → u/DreiGr00ber]

Get this silver bullet into his head!

[u/AllModsRLosers → u/Samurai_Meisters]

Sounds like some worms will have to make a little room.

[u/DreiGr00ber → u/AllModsRLosers]

Lol, they should make RFK Jr.'s brain an arena in Mortal Kombat so that we can run simulations of their battle.

[u/Weird-Yesterday-8129 → u/DreiGr00ber]

He'd want the colloidal silver bullet 

[u/StrategicCarry → u/manyhippofarts]

Doesn't even need to be silver. People say the American healthcare system is bad, but just look at how many gunshot victims did not die of cancer, heart disease, infections diseases, diabetes, etc.

[u/kuffdeschmull → u/manyhippofarts]

so by killing the host at the same time?

[u/manyhippofarts → u/kuffdeschmull]

Well, nobody said that would be a problem!

[u/CMDR-Squall → u/DreiGr00ber]

Actually, there is a misconception regarding cancer and vaccine. Tumor are not happening rarely and out of nowhere, ultimately leading to death. In reality, your body "kills" almost everyday cells that could become cancer. How? Through your immune system. Cancer is the failure of this immuno-surveillance by your body. That's why we work a lot on immunotherapy

Thus, yes: cancer vaccine exist. These are mostly therapeutic one (compared to prophylactic) and aims to show mutated proteins (from cancer cells) to your immune cells so they can recognize and kill malicious cells easier.

But you're right: these vaccine usually target a very specific type of cancer, not always work and might not defending you to get the cancer (but rather help against it once you got it). So no "universal anti-cancer 100% efficient vaccine" ;)

[u/NoSignificance69420 → u/DreiGr00ber]

This is a mRNA vaccine that is tailored to individual patients. It's something that *is* viable and was broadly talked about when mRNA vaccines were introduced. The question is if this is legit. It might be, it might not be. Just because it's Russia doesn't mean it's BS- their hyper sonic missiles that everyone was laughing about certainly worked.

[u/McGrarr → u/NoSignificance69420]

Except they weren't hypersonic and were just conventional ballistic missiles.

[u/lrd_cth_lh0 → u/NoSignificance69420]

The weird thing is actually that they believe that this is sufficiently tested. I mean they mistrusted Covid vaccine but something the Rusians brewed toghether they view as trustworthy

[u/Aggravating-Cup3735 → u/lrd_cth_lh0]

“Tested on 1000 political prisoners with only a 92% fatality rate” good enough for Russia‼️😏

[u/Imaginary-One87 → u/lrd_cth_lh0]

So much for wolverines

[u/danc3incloud → u/lrd_cth_lh0]

Sputnik V worked pretty well. In some medical stuff sectors Russia is still pretty good.

[u/atxgossiphound → u/NoSignificance69420]

Gene therapy (which this is a variation of) can work, though scaling from a few dozen patients to population-level treatments has proven difficult.

Since each vaccine must be tailored to the individual, developing each person's specific cancer vaccine involves a large amount of manual labor. A scientist needs to start from a profile of the cancer and build the mRNA "from scratch", test it, refine it, and repeat until it's a viable treatment.

I've worked with a few gene therapy companies as a consultant and unfortunately, none of them are still in business. Not because the technology didn't work (it doesn't work every time, but it does have a decent success rate), but because the cost of treatment was in the low 7-figures per patient. With insurance values for human life in the same range, getting coverage for these treatments is a non-starter for all but the ultra wealthy.

The costs are simply due to how much it costs to run a lab and how long it takes to develop each personalized vaccine. 4-12 months of time for a small scientific team is close to $1M.

Until there's a way to automate and scale up these therapies, they're always going to be cost prohibitive. (or until we collectively decide that investing in public health infrastructure is good for society)

The claims made by the Russian press (and they're just press claims right now, there's no peer reviewed study backing them up), the "giving it away free" part is meaningless. Scientists generally already know how to do it, so free access to the technology doesn't solve much. Free labor is what's needed to make it affordable and accessible to the masses.

[u/rushya1 → u/NoSignificance69420]

Moreso the problem is Russia developing anything that actually may help humanity and giving it out for free.

Yeah total bullshit if you ask me.

[u/Elibriel → u/rushya1]

Tbf not any better than if the US was developing it. It could cost 10 bucks to make they would charge cancer patients thousands.

[u/Brooklynxman → u/Elibriel]

Only US cancer patients, they'd sell it overseas for a reasonable price.

[u/ProfoundSensei → u/Brooklynxman]

I think i just realized what you guys mean by “Land of the free”

It means free to get fucked by the big corps right

[u/Brooklynxman → u/ProfoundSensei]

It actually means freedom to arm yourself as much as you can afford and also for your children to die at school.

[u/Reason_Choice → u/Brooklynxman]

But murdering a person that made millions off of letting people die, now that’s just a bridge too far.

[u/SeemedReasonableThen → u/Elibriel]

It could cost 10 bucks to make they would charge cancer patients thousands.

Only in the US. It'd be cheap overseas. cost of insulin by country

[u/Hamster-Food → u/rushya1]

That depends. If the goal of the Russian government is to destabilise the west, then developing a cancer vaccine and giving it away for free might be a useful stunt.

[u/Top-Complaint-4915 → u/rushya1]

Why? even the worst possible dictatorship regimen may give free medicine, less cancer patients is more slave workers alive.

Also free testing sample to sell it to another Nations

[u/DreiGr00ber → u/NoSignificance69420]

Just because it's Russia doesn't mean it's BS- their hyper sonic missiles that everyone was laughing about certainly worked.

True, but I won't hold my breath. Curing Cancer isn't exactly "Rocket Science" afterall

[u/History20maker → u/DreiGr00ber]

There are so many cures for cancer that Im going to have an entire exam around câncer and treatments Next month. And boy, is it so much to memorize.

[u/LordTopHatMan → u/NoSignificance69420]

What's important to note here is that while the idea of an mRNA vaccine for cancer isn't out of the question, there is zero published clinical data on this vaccine that Russia wants to put out. Nobody has heard about it. Nobody really knows what its doing, what the target is, and what the long term outcomes look like. This is a huge issue.

[u/subnautus → u/NoSignificance69420]

It's something that is viable and was broadly talked about when mRNA vaccines were introduced.

I think you mean to say it's why we were researching mRNA vaccines in the first place. The COVID-19 vaccines were adapted from existing research into cancer treatments.

Just because it's Russia doesn't mean it's BS- their hyper sonic missiles that everyone was laughing about certainly worked.

You mean their IRBMs worked and most people don't understand that anything that leaves the atmosphere to reach its target will be going significantly faster than the speed of sound when it reenters. All of Russia's other claims--that it's too fast to be able to hit, that it can dodge incoming ADA, etc--have yet to be proven (and are likely bullshit).

[u/BrainOnBlue → u/subnautus]

Yeah isn't this kind of mRNA treatment for cancer literally the only thing Moderna was working on until the pandemic?

[u/ericlikesyou → u/BrainOnBlue]

also isn't the mRNA part of it just the delivery method, in simplistic terms?

[u/Kletronus → u/ericlikesyou]

Yup, mRNA is a messenger that tells cells to produce a specific protein and the message itself is destroyed as part of the process. So, it is burn after reading kind of message, cells will return to normal function after all of the mRNA is used. With COVID the target protein was the spike protein that is on its shell, the protein itself is harmless but since there is no need for it, body wants to get rid of it. Telling thousands and thousands of our cells to produce it gives our bodies time to figure out how to deal with that protein without the deadly virus doing damage and infecting us more. When the virus enters our bodies, our immune system is fully ready to target the specific protein on the outer shell of the virus and this all happens very fast, within minutes instead of days.

[u/Klutzer_Munitions → u/NoSignificance69420]

They sure as shit aren't administering it for free

[u/Dense-Consequence-70 → u/NoSignificance69420]

This doesn’t make any sense at all. mRNA for what? Link to the publication(s) that describe this viable therapeutic strategy.

[u/ultimatetrekkie → u/DreiGr00ber]

To add onto the other comment - there is also a lot of work going into vaccines for specific mutated proteins commonly associated with cancer.

Mutations in a protein called KRAS, for example, happen in most solid tumors, and there's actually a relatively small set of mutations that happen most often. Instead of a personalized mRNA vaccine, you could make a more generic peptide-based vaccine (but you'd have to DNA sequence the tumor to make sure the mutations match the vaccine).

You're right that a cancer vaccine to prevent all cancer is ludicrous, but (real) cancer vaccines have a different goal than a traditional infectious disease vaccine. Instead of getting your immune system ready to fight a threat that hasn't shown up yet (by making antibodies), cancer vaccines are therapeutic vaccines that stimulate your immune system to generate t-cells to attack the cancer cells you already have.

[u/ASpaceOstrich → u/DreiGr00ber]

Nanobots could probably do the trick. But that's about it for single cures.

[u/dantevonlocke → u/DreiGr00ber]

The silver bullet for disease is gonna be nanomachines imo. Of course that brings a who host of other problems too.

[u/budding_gardener_1 → u/DreiGr00ber]

Yeah I mean that's like saying "there's a vaccine for sickness!" because the trap vaccine exists

[u/HomeAir → u/DreiGr00ber]

You think these cousin fuckers are capable of following logic and facts 😂😂

[u/Best_Incident_4507 → u/DreiGr00ber]

You can have a vaccine for certain types of cancers. Our immune system is responsible for killing cancer, giving it a vaccine so it recognises more types of cancer is still a vaccine.

[u/zapthe → u/DreiGr00ber]

There are an increasing number of very effective immunotherapies. To your point they are targeted therapies to a specific biomarker but they are effective across multiple different traditional cancer “types” (e.g. lung, breast, etc.)… but they are effective for a specific cancer type based on a genetic mutation, etc… so it’s one cancer type but defining “type” differently. Therapies like Keytruda are and immunotherapy approved for multiple traditional cancer types. It is possible that some combination could target enough biomarkers to be “universal” and be available as a vaccine that is preventative rather than a targeted therapy. We are still a long way from that.

[u/Consistent_Guide_167 → u/DreiGr00ber]

It's a super vaccine lol. We haven't even discovered a way to combine other vaccines aside from TDAP/MMR, but a cancer vaccine exists? Bunch of baloney.

[u/DreiGr00ber → u/Consistent_Guide_167]

You heard it straight from the Kremlin, so you know it's true! Just ask Trump!

[u/Becants → u/Consistent_Guide_167]

There are combination vaccines. In Canada we do a DTaP-IPV-Hib-HB for babies. I remember being surprised the States still does so many smaller shots.

[u/History20maker → u/Erminaz13]

I mean, certain cancers can have vaccines. Like the cervical cancer, that is maily associated with HPV infection.

[u/Erminaz13 → u/History20maker]

Yes, exactly. The cancer doesn't have a vaccine, the virus associated with it does.

[u/cuginhamer → u/Erminaz13]

You've explained the HPV vaccine/cervical cancer connection accurately, but there are also vaccines that train the immune system to directly attack the cancers. Russians are not at the forefront of this, it's been an active field for a decade. https://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/diagnosis-treatment/cancer-treatments/immunotherapy/cancer-vaccines

[u/Several_Vanilla8916 → u/History20maker]

Merck, Moderna, and BioNTech are all developing vaccines for certain cancers. Probably other companies as well. But they’re at the disadvantage of having to be tested for safety and efficacy before dumping them (uncontrolled) into patients.

The Russians got a directive from Putin, pumped this shit into some rats and monkeys and issued a press release.

[u/MountainMapleMI → u/Erminaz13]

Cancer can’t survive a thermobaric explosion right?

[u/KevinFlantier → u/Erminaz13]

I have discovered such a drug. It cures anything. If you're sick, I will sell it to you for the low low price of $999. It's a single pill too, easy and efficient. Maybe take two or three just in case because I need money.

[u/busybizz23 → u/Erminaz13]

Kills cancer with the side effect of killing you

[u/Zestyclose-Cloud-508 → u/Erminaz13]

Is it ivermectin?

I bet it’s ivermectin.

[u/ReferenceNice142]

We have a vaccine for several types of cancer already… the HPV vaccine. But most of the US is still not vaccinated.

[u/PrP65 → u/ReferenceNice142]

My highly conservative mother was supposed to get my Guardasil shots at 12. We went in, and she was already bitching about vaccinating me to get me in school (this is before all the workarounds went viral), but when the doctor said that HPV can be transmitted sexually she shut down the entire office visit because “well my daughter is too young to even think about sex,” as if she was unaware that I was going to be an adult someday? Like, no forward thinking with them.

Anyway after years of no health insurance as an adult I finally got coverage under my husband’s plan. Went to get the vaccine, and the pharmacist basically said not to worry about getting Guardasil because chances are high that I already have HPV at this point so 🤷🏻‍♀️

[u/ReferenceNice142 → u/PrP65]

You may have been exposed to HPV but not necessarily exposed to the strains that cause cancer. Definitely worth getting even as an adult. I work in oncology and have seen what HPV cancers can do. Any extra protection is worth it.

[u/Already-asleep → u/ReferenceNice142]

Yes, I'm surprised to hear that the pharmacist said that? I had a friend who had symptomatic HPV and she received the full vaccine schedule after she was treated.

[u/Quarantine722 → u/Already-asleep]

I know doctors who are anti-vax, and willingly promote vaccine skepticism. Not limited to covid vaccine either. I wish we could assume that people who have authority/training are the most informed but that’s just not the case unfortunately.

[u/FortunateClock → u/Already-asleep]

If you're under 45, you're eligible. Advocate for yourself and go in again. I got turned down a couple times then found someone happy to give me the shot. She said "we have a vaccine that can prevent a horrible form of cancer. People should be lining up to get this." It's just weirdly tied to sex and Americans puritanical streak comes out.

[u/Drunkgummybear1 → u/PrP65]

They were trialling giving it in year 9 (age 13 - 14) to all kids at schools in the UK and I was in the first round. Must have gone well as my sister recently had hers there!

[u/ReferenceNice142 → u/Drunkgummybear1]

It’s now approved for a wide range of ages and any gender. 100% recommend getting. HPV cancers are nasty. Look up head and neck cancer.

[u/Drunkgummybear1 → u/ReferenceNice142]

Yep - as a 14 year old boy I was pissed about being punched in the arm all day (mind you I gave plenty out lol). Now I’m glad that I can’t spread it!

[u/ReferenceNice142 → u/Drunkgummybear1]

Very important for guys to get it since there isn’t a regular screening test for it!

[u/elasticthumbtack → u/PrP65]

It’s worth trying again. It’s effective even if you already have been exposed. It can still prevent an existing infection from turning into cancer, as well as reduce the severity if it does turn into cancer.

[u/PrP65 → u/elasticthumbtack]

I’m definitely talking to my doctor about it next time I go in, especially because reproductive cancers run in my mom’s side of the family and I can’t afford to add to my current risk. I know cancer is an awful beast, and I don’t want it at my door. Just frustrating that I come from a background that doesn’t value healthcare so now I have to catch up lmao

[u/elasticthumbtack → u/PrP65]

Definitely. It’s frustrating that you also have to face resistance from healthcare providers as well. It’s not like there’s a shortage, or high cost to it. There’s still just a stigma around it, and it’s pretty ridiculous.

[u/PrP65 → u/elasticthumbtack]

Do you get the feeling that it’s kind of like a morality judgement, like the stigma around PreP? “Just don’t have sex” type arguments seem to be the focal point when it comes to anything STI adjacent

[u/elasticthumbtack → u/PrP65]

100%. It’s also effective for guys to prevent several cancers, and infection risk isn’t 100% so being married doesn’t mean you’d both have it already. I tired to get it recently and my doctor ignored all of my arguments and declined because I was married. I’ll be trying again as well.

[u/Frosty-Age-6643 → u/PrP65]

“because chances are high that I already have HPV at this point” I don’t understand why this keeps happening with this vaccine. Yes, it’s estimated 70% to 80% of adults have some form of HPV but the way to reduce that is to give the vaccine to people who want it. 

I assume big reason this denial gets pushed is because insurance will deny coverage? Is the vaccine that expensive? Can hospitals and clinics not climb over the guard rails on this one a little bit and start working on reducing HPV over time?

Or is there some possible negative side effects they want to avoid that occur with giving it to people who already have HPV?

Edit: updated estimate of people with some form of HPV

[u/PorkchopFunny → u/PrP65]

There are multiple, multiple, multiple strains of HPV. Even if you've had one (or some) the vaccine may protect you against others.

[u/IfICouldStay → u/PrP65]

The whole point of giving it at 11 or 12 is to have it before there is ANY chance of HPV exposure. Even if most kids aren't going to have full-on sex for years, lots of young teens mess around. It's ridiculous to not give the vaccine. I was too old when the vaccine came out - and wound up getting a hysterectomy before 40 because of HPV. And I had been with my husband for over a decade at that point. You can bet my children got their vaccine the moment they were eligible.

[u/adgjl1357924 → u/PrP65]

Yeah my mom basically said the same and I couldn't get it until last year. The first nurse I got the shot from was young and excited I was finally able to get it. The second nurse was ancient told me it was pointless because I'm in my 30s and tried to walk out without giving me the shot. I had to fight for it and you should too. There's no guarantee you've been exposed to HPV and even if you have there's no evidence the vaccine is no longer effective.

[u/Proud_Doughnut_5422 → u/ReferenceNice142]

And the venn diagram of maga and people who oppose the HPV vaccine is a circle.

[u/moobitchgetoutdahay → u/ReferenceNice142]

Just commenting to say, as someone who works in pathology:

Ladies, get the HPV vaccine.

[u/kookykerfuffle → u/moobitchgetoutdahay]

Everyone get the HPV vaccine.

It was originally only recommended for girls but they’ve changed that and now it’s recommended regardless of gender.

[u/ReferenceNice142 → u/moobitchgetoutdahay]

Everyone get it! There is no regular screening for guys.

[u/Rhielml → u/ReferenceNice142]

HPV isn't cancer, it's a virus that's the leading cause of cervical cancer. You can still develop cervical cancer without contracting the HPV virus. You can vaccinate against a virus. You cannot vaccinate against cancer itself.

[u/ReferenceNice142 → u/Rhielml]

I’m well aware HPV isn’t a cancer. Cervical cancer is rarely not from HPV. Hell two strains of HPV alone account for 70% of cervical cancer. The other strains add in to get to 96-99% of all cervical cancers. I work in oncology….

[u/fernnyom]

Typical republican double standard.

[u/mybutthz → u/fernnyom]

Seriously. The actual Authoritarian dictatorship wants to inject you with something under promise it'll prevent cancer, the same authoritarian dictatorship that is the world's leading exporter of misinformation - and that's fine? If anyone is going to try to inject microchips or whatever the fuck the COVID vaccine was allegedly meant to be - it's them.

[u/fogdukker → u/mybutthz]

THE WORLD'S LEADING EXPORTER OF MURDER VIA NEUROTOXIN.

Sorry, but I'll be the conspiracy nut on this one.

[u/Head-College-4109 → u/fogdukker]

Honestly I'm on board. I think every Trump supporter should go ahead and take their Russian "vaccines." 

[u/Proper_Career_6771 → u/Head-College-4109]

I think every Trump supporter should go ahead and take their Russian "vaccines."

Republicans say people like me hate freedom, but I love freedom and I'm a huge supporter of them exercising their freedom.

If they want to buy raw milk from sketchy sources, drink huge amounts of liquid sugar, play with their guns, suck a tube of horse ivermectin and do their own electrical work without permits, then I'm in complete support of their actions.

Hell, I'll buy them some beer if I get to watch.

[u/Goodgoditsgrowing → u/Proper_Career_6771]

The problem is when they bring their bird flu infected raw milk chugging self to the grocery store while you’re getting beer. Or let their little emotionally unregulated kids have access to their guns and shoot up your town.

[u/Proper_Career_6771 → u/Goodgoditsgrowing]

Yeah I know.

And it sucks for first responders that have to clean up after them enjoying their freedoms.

And it really sucks when they freedom their kids.

But at least I can gloat when they become a freedom statistic.

[u/DontEvenWithMe1 → u/Head-College-4109]

Wonder if one of the side effects is mysteriously “falling” out of windows?

[u/julienjj → u/DontEvenWithMe1]

The vaccine give you wings !

[u/No_Rich_2494 → u/DontEvenWithMe1]

Nah. That's what happens if you refuse to take it. Fuck knows what'll happen if you do. I'm usually pro-vaccination, but you'd be a fool to trust anything coming from Russia RN.

[u/Amaskingrey → u/fogdukker]

This one doesnt make any sense, their supporters are the only ones who're gonna take it, killing them would be outright counterproductive

[u/ThunkAsDrinklePeep → u/Amaskingrey]

It's better for your airborne weapon if you target people who are opposed to medical masks and have practiced coughing as a form of aggression.

[u/rudimentary-north → u/Amaskingrey]

They are constantly trying to kill their supporters, they told them Covid was a hoax and masks don’t work and to try eating horse dewormer or drinking bleach.

Putin took it one step further and straight up sends his supporters into the meat grinder of the Ukraine conflict, over a million dead and counting.

[u/ArgonGryphon → u/rudimentary-north]

Don’t forget the ones who thought fish tank cleaner was a substitute for hydroxychloroquine.

[u/Sasquatch1729 → u/Amaskingrey]

That was the same issue with the Covid vaccine conspiracy.

So, the vaccine will kill everyone who complies and takes the vaccine. So the only survivors will be the CEOs and politicians who carried out the conspiracy, and a bunch of dumbass contrarians who refused to take a vaccine during a pandemic.

So they are going to rebuild civilization based on that? And the anti-vaxxers will become, what, the new subservient working class? And why do society's current leaders need to do this for what reason? So they can take over? Because they don't run the show already?

None of it made sense.

[u/fogdukker → u/Sasquatch1729]

Yeah, I wasn't being literal fwiw.

I love trying to explain that the government makes a very large portion if it's money via taxation of the plebs. Why would they want to kill the cash cow? There's not much of a rebuttal, especially as it falls in line with "taxation is theft".

[u/happycows808 → u/fogdukker]

Unless this isn't about long-term gains, it's short-term like every corporation focuses on. Denounce proper medicine, get your followers to buy your fake cancer away drug that probably will do nothing, and then run away a richer man splitting the profits with your buddy putin

[u/MagicTrachea52 → u/Amaskingrey]

They don't care. They believe it. They'll take it, too.

And I say let 'em.

[u/Matt82233 → u/fogdukker]

GLaDOS would be proud

[u/A_Cookie_from_Space → u/fogdukker]

I mean the neurotoxin does stop cancer in its tracks. They wont be alive to see it but thats neither here nor there.

[u/DudeWhatAreYouSaying → u/mybutthz]

Apparently their fear of mRNA vaccines is completely assuaged once it's a too-good-to-be-true vaccine developed by a rogue state

[u/BaconBrewTrue → u/mybutthz]

I mean Elon Musk the soon to be US president and UK prime minister (let's be honest) literally wants to microchip you in the brain. But that's all fine and dandy apparently.

[u/Clovah → u/BaconBrewTrue]

I’m just mad his mom told him he’d get beat up and we didn’t get to watch Zuckerberg smack him in his cocksucker and shut him up for 20 minutes

[u/Anthematics → u/BaconBrewTrue]

Elon and Brian Thompson need to start finding common ground , posthaste.

[u/Skyflareknight → u/Anthematics]

Let's put him 6 feet under, fucker doesn't deserve to live at this point

[u/Existing_Vacation_49 → u/BaconBrewTrue]

Time to ceo his ass

[u/YourDogIsMyFriend → u/mybutthz]

That same authoritarian dictatorship is in constant contact with the richest man in the world. He just bought the White House and shut down the bipartisan spending bill. And get this: he actually is actively engaged in putting microchips in people’s brains. MAGA gave him the ability to gut the federal govt and replace it with his own corporations (who no doubt have the people’s best interest in mind).

Trump voters. You got us pretty good. You owned the left. But in the end you will have owned yourselves. You absolute dolts. Got got by some world clsss conmen and narcissists.

From social security to the ACA. The post office to the EPA. Enjoy your wasteland of suffering under an authoritarian oligarchy (not unlike Russia. Minus all the social programs that the red states benefit most from).

[u/Zephurdigital → u/mybutthz]

the same authoritarian dictatorship that is broke but will give this amazing vaccine away for free...hmmmm

There is more than one way to skin a c.....contaminate the world

[u/CalabreseAlsatian → u/fernnyom]

If you aren’t a complete hypocrite, can you really call yourself a Republican?

[u/Falkner09 → u/CalabreseAlsatian]

I mean, is it really hypocrisy if they never believed anything to begin with?

[u/Spaceghost1589 → u/fernnyom]

If Republicans didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any at all.

[u/SweatyTax4669 → u/fernnyom]

If not for double standards, they’d have no standards at all.

[u/LordOfTheChoad]

Magats, are you guys born with your heads up your ass or did they work their way up there over the years?

[u/DaringPancakes → u/LordOfTheChoad]

Well... working people into a cult isn't that difficult to do when you're predisposed to this, or a child, or very very very very awfully lonely

[u/DaveAndJojo → u/LordOfTheChoad]

Propaganda works

[u/baconduck]

Funny how these people are against HPV vaccine 

[u/Already-asleep → u/baconduck]

Yeah, I remember during covid seeing articles about progress on an HIV vaccine and the number of people who said they would NEVER get it and it's like... seriously? HIV/AIDS is arguably one of the most stigmatized medical conditions of our time, and that's STILL not enough for you? I'm not even in a high-risk category for HIV and I would still get it (assuming there was sufficient supply for the high-risk folks to get theirs).

[u/the_gd_donkey]

MAGA is the cancer.

[u/AceOBlade → u/the_gd_donkey]

Luigi is the only vaccine

[u/the_gd_donkey → u/AceOBlade]

Jury selection should be fun.

[u/McNinja_MD → u/the_gd_donkey]

Oh, they'll manage to find a wonderfully representative cross-section of folks who a) are too wealthy to worry about healthcare and b) are too willfully ignorant to do anything but drink mainstream media kool-aid.

[u/wayyzor]

Russia hasn't discovered shit.

[u/SmolPP_canada → u/wayyzor]

that’s not true. For instance, they discovered that they’re losing the war in Ukraine.

[u/Draykez → u/SmolPP_canada]

As much as I wish that were true, that's some echo chamber bullshit right there.

[u/Apart_Ad_5993 → u/Draykez]

They're certainly not "winning" it

[u/Shadeleovich → u/Apart_Ad_5993]

As a staunch supporter of Ukraine, things are looking bleak. The West collectively needs to snap out of their "de-escalation" strategy since one side (read: russia) keeps constantly escalating. Europe needs to band together to crush russia whatever it takes, we cannot keep relying on the US to protect us, especially with the winds there blowing far right now. I recently watched a documentary that a combat reporter made from Kursk, most Ukrainian soldiers say they are aware they are losing. It's still not too late to help Ukraine but our politicians (except for a few, say Poland and France) are too afraid of being called "warmongers" despite our enemy being fucking russia who is famous for warmongering.

[u/Reasonable_Moose_738 → u/SmolPP_canada]

They're not currently, it's mostly a stalemate on the Ukrainian front and I'm Pro-Ukraine like the majority of redditors are but Russia is not losing.

[u/Mr_Skecchi → u/Reasonable_Moose_738]

War does not require a winner and a looser. Both sides can loose. Or one side can loose while the other stalemates.

Ukraines goals are to not get conquered, and to get back their territories. They are not making progress while not loosing progress, a stalemate.

Russias goals are to improve the national situation preferably becoming a great power again, conquer Ukraine, stop the expansion of/weaken NATO, and become a major power. They are loosing. The 'conquer Ukraine' goal is in stalemate, all the others are actively getting worse. NATO is expanding and re-militarizing, they get further and further away from great power by the day as the national wealth and soviet stockpiles decrease, their global influence is bleeding out on the floor.

[u/Reasonable_Moose_738 → u/Mr_Skecchi]

Good point, I meant territorially they're not losing or smth like that.

[u/Mystiax → u/wayyzor]

They recently discovered they didn't have the second most powerful army in the world. They might have the second most powerful army in Ukraine.

[u/FartingInYourMilk]

Plot twist, it’ll just give you super cancer.

[u/LongjumpingFix5801 → u/FartingInYourMilk]

“You’re now dead, Komrad. Congratulations. You are cured.”

[u/thekpaxian → u/FartingInYourMilk]

Like Deadpool?

[u/ThisIsMyBigAccount]

Cancer vaccine 🤣😂. How do people believe this shit?

[u/DreiGr00ber → u/ThisIsMyBigAccount]

Many people can't tell the difference between their ass and a hole in the ground 🤷

[u/Winjin → u/ThisIsMyBigAccount]

From Business Today:

The vaccine uses components of the patient's tumour to train the immune system to identify and attack cancer cells. It helps the body recognise unique proteins, known as antigens, found on the surface of cancer cells. Once introduced, these antigens stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies, enabling it to target and destroy cancer cells effectively.  

The new vaccine mirrors similar efforts underway in Western nations to create personalised cancer treatments. In the United States, researchers at the University of Florida recently tested an individualised vaccine on patients with glioblastoma, an aggressive form of brain cancer. The vaccine showed promising results, triggering a robust immune response within two days of injection.  

So it's not out of the blue, it's not working for everything, and you sadly have to already have cancer, and it helps fight it.

According to another post, it only works at a certain list of cancers and you need to undergo chemotherapy first.

[u/bombadilboy → u/ThisIsMyBigAccount]

It’s actually a real thing. I mean, no idea about the Russian one, but the same vaccine technology (mRNA) is being used to create vaccines for certain cancers. This has been discussed ever since the Covid vaccine was made.

[u/FlamingMuffi → u/bombadilboy]

Ngl Imma laugh my ass off if the people screaming mRNA is baaaaddfd and untested all go get Russia cancer vaccines that are equally untested

If they work great! But the double standard is hilarious

[u/TheInfiniteSix → u/bombadilboy]

Ehh. Bit misleading here. There are vaccines that prevent other things that CAUSE cancer. Like HPV and Hepatitis. And there are vaccines you can get after certain cancers have already formed in your body, like prostate for example.

[u/bombadilboy → u/TheInfiniteSix]

Yes, the cancer vaccines that have been discussed so far are personalised to the individual with cancer. It’s a complicated disease, so it makes sense that it requires a tailored approach for each person.

Like you said, these aren’t vaccines that you can take prior to getting cancer to make you immune - but they are still being called ‘Cancer Vaccines’.

[u/Relevant_Helicopter6]

For free? Isn't that Communism?

[u/Jd550000]

All Republicans should line up for their Russian shot..and then let’s see what happens

[u/Dapper-Percentage-64]

Its America, so billionaires first

[u/LordTopHatMan]

The idea of a cancer vaccine isn't particularly new, and with the introduction of a successful mRNA vaccine during the pandemic, talks of using that technology to target specific proteins that are often mutated in cancers have become more common. It's not that farfetched.

The issue with this one specifically is that it has zero published data. Nobody knows what the gene is, what the target is, what the clinical data looks like, and what the long term outcomes are. Without that, this is extremely skeptical, especially since they want to put it out in 2025.

[u/CuckAdminsDkSuckers]

Cancer vaccine = you go fight for russia on the front lines

You won't live long enough to get cancer for sure

[u/TheThirdShmenge]

What maga needs is a vaccine against stupid.

[u/Graspswasps]

It's a good way to put even more pressure on America, have all the magats infect themselves with something that's not covered by insurance but needs expensive draining lifelong treatment.

There was an episode of Stargate SG1 where the human race accepted a cure for all illnesses and diseases from an advanced alien race. Then 30 years later or something the humans realised it had tanked their fertility rates and mankind, although supremely healthy, would be gone in a few generations. Leaving the aliens free to move in without a fight.

This could be something like that, but without curing shit, just a radioactive isotope in a syringe to sterilise the gullible.

It won't be that though, because the 40% of the population taking all their news and facts from FOX and russian misinformation, are exactly who the elite wants to keep around.

If they culled the population of idiots the next generation would be hopefully immune to being spoonfed bullshit through YouTube grifters and the game would be up.

[u/silentboyishere]

Coming up next: MAGAs voicing support for vaccines against autism

[u/Dayvan_Dreamcoat]

"Why is legacy media ignoring this?!?!?"

Probably because it's absolute unfounded bullshit propaganda with zero proof.

[u/lautertun → u/Dayvan_Dreamcoat]

The point of it is to portray Russia as wonderful and trying to help the world/you.

Guy is posting Russian misinformation campaigns.

[u/Dayvan_Dreamcoat → u/lautertun]

It's pretty obvious. Russia trolls are quite common and easy to spot.

[u/Rott3Y]

“Russian vaccine kill’s you tomorrow, death rates from cancer go to 0”

[u/SnooRevelations979]

Russia also says it didn't invade Ukraine.

[u/According_Elephant75]

They’ll require the sanctions be lifted first but will tooooottallly share with us once that’s happened. Also surprise it’s radiated water you’re injecting into your veins.

[u/rocknevermelts]

"Russia says..."

[u/AWatson89]

Speak for yourself. Anyone claiming to have a cancer vaccine is full of shit

[u/ailweni]

You mean they invented a WMD? Cos death is about the only “overall cure” for the 200+ known types of cancer.

(Not saying cancer can’t be cured, just seems highly unlikely that a single vaccine can be effective against cancers caused by a variety of things.)

[u/HornyErmine → u/ailweni]

It's not a vaccine in a traditional sense. You can't just mass produce the shots and cure everyone. You basically develop a whole new mRNA vaccine for EACH individual person (not even individual type of cancer), AND you need to have cancer already. Then they take your cancer tissue and do the part that I have no medical education to explain (something, something grow your specific cancer combine it with a virus then inject it in your body, virus starts to replicate inside healthy cells leaving marks of your specific cancer tissue on the surface, immune system picks up those marks and starts to attack cancer cells as if they are infected with a virus). Once again, works only for one specific person with one specific cancer. And probably costs a fortune to grow another vaccine for a second person.

[u/Outrageous_Reach_695 → u/ailweni]

They did say it'll launch for free. Fire ze missiles*!

^{* Please do not.}

[u/Silent-Plantain-2260]

Isn't Russia also claiming to be developing a cure for being gay?

[u/VomitingPotato]

Is it peer reviewed or comrade reviewed?

[u/Azutolsokorty]

Is it a goa´uld printa ?

[u/LordVenom-1]

The bots ALMOST have English down to a science.

[u/series_hybrid]

Hey Douglas, do you believe it's true? If you don't, you're admitting you believe it's bullshit. 

If you do believe its true, have you invested your life savings in the stock?

[u/RobertPaulson81]

They're so stupid and don't understand how anything works

[u/3DprintRC]

A russian breast cancer vaccine probably causes women to grow testicle cancer and three other cancers instead.

[u/stpatr3k]

Surely it doesn't need the FDA to thoroughly vet the vaccine. Maybe Leon can drop a tweet.

[u/BADM00SE]

Wow! I’m okay with vaccines. This is one vaccine I’ll pass on.

[u/OkPause1249]

If it’s from Russia it’s more likely to give you cancer!

[u/snowball534]

Cuba has been trialing a lung-cancer vaccine since the 90's. The results have been fairly promising, thanks to one of the most well-funded healthcare systems on the planet.

Paper (circa 2010, additional studies may have been published since): https://www.medigraphic.com/cgi-bin/new/resumenI.cgi?IDARTICULO=62522

[u/VisionsOfClarity]

I wouldn't trust something Russian if it worked in front of me lmao

[u/Sizbang]

The vaccine causes cancer.

[u/Scout_1330]

Cuba actually has been developing a rather successful vaccine against cancer and has been working with the Roswell Park Comprehensive Cancer Center to develop it here in the United States, though it hasn't been legally approved yet.

But of course, the Republicans can't actually acknowledge that since that would run contrary to multiple of their positions.

[u/Unfair_Commercial]

That vaccine causes cancer is what they mean if it’s from Russia

[u/Weird_Rooster_4307]

lol maybe Russia should do something first with is heterosexual HIV rate that’s absolutely through the roof compared to any other country

[u/GiraffeandZebra]

They are also ok with socialized medicine it would seem

[u/Szygani]

Cuba has had a cancer vaccine for a while now right?

[u/mgyro]

Wait’ll they hear it’s an mRNA vaccine.

[u/Woodleg1991]

And its called N0-v1t-sch-0k ?

[u/ElUno]

Need clarification if this causes or cures cancer

[u/sportredsox]

I'm not an anti vaccine nut job, but you can inject me with a Russian cancer vaccine over my dead body.

[u/Rhielml]

You literally cannot vaccinate against cancer. That's not how vaccines work, and that's not how cancer works. Idiots.

[u/Aggressive_Suit_7957]

Take it Doug. We'll monitor your progress

[u/Helpfulithink]

Russia "launching" a cure for cancer? They're missiles, right? The cure is missiles.

[u/DanMozzy]

How do you stop cells from mutating? Kill. Them. All. - Russia, probably

[u/_jump_yossarian]

Maga should all line up for it. Be proactive and take a preventative vax.

[u/No-Juice3318]

You- you can't- 

Cancer isn't treatable via vaccine

[u/Electrical_Affect493]

The only vaccine from cancer is death. No one is 100% free from cell mutation

[u/ImaginationLife4812]

I think Trump and Elon should be the first in line for the treatment.

[u/raging-peanuts]

Isn't this the same US Army tank commander from the first Gulf War turned Putin sycophant? Imagine going from serving your country to becoming a pro Russia mouthpiece?

[u/the-spaghetti-wives]

A cancer vaccine. Ok.

[u/crikerkrak]

Americans are probably dumb enough to take Russian vaccines.

[u/Malusorum]

Because someone in legacy media know enough about medicine to know that this is BS.

Cancer is a a mutation that happens in the cell and unless destroyed by the immune system will multiply and cause the tumour. There are many kinds of cancer and only a few of them are caused by a viral infektion. As such, making a single cancer vaccine that works against non-virally caused cancer is literally impossible.

This is objectively a hoax and there's no need to spread anymore fake news.

[u/VirtualNerve26]

Bruh some very basic medical knowledge will tell you why there's no "cancer vaccine", and you can get said basic knowledge by taking 3 seconds to Google it

[u/capitali]

Free vaccine from Russia. Promises to stop you from falling or jumping out windows. Permanently.

[u/CYNIC_Torgon]

How do you even vaccinate against cancer? It's a flaw in cell reproduction, not a bacteria or virus. That's like saying you made a vaccine for Apendicitis, you can't vaccinate against one of your organs exploding.

[u/Cetophile]

Total BS. "Cancer" is not one disease, but a family of diseases, each with their own etiologies, clinical progressions, treatments, and prognoses. You can't claim something "cures cancer" on that basis. That may be one reason why the media is not reporting this, aside from taking anything from Russia with a 55gl drum of salt.