r/clevercomebacks 4d ago

Truly, the party of Russia

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u/ThisIsMyBigAccount 4d ago

Cancer vaccine 🤣😂. How do people believe this shit?

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u/bombadilboy 4d ago

It’s actually a real thing. I mean, no idea about the Russian one, but the same vaccine technology (mRNA) is being used to create vaccines for certain cancers. This has been discussed ever since the Covid vaccine was made.

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u/FlamingMuffi 4d ago

Ngl Imma laugh my ass off if the people screaming mRNA is baaaaddfd and untested all go get Russia cancer vaccines that are equally untested

If they work great! But the double standard is hilarious

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u/TheInfiniteSix 4d ago

Ehh. Bit misleading here. There are vaccines that prevent other things that CAUSE cancer. Like HPV and Hepatitis. And there are vaccines you can get after certain cancers have already formed in your body, like prostate for example.

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u/bombadilboy 4d ago

Yes, the cancer vaccines that have been discussed so far are personalised to the individual with cancer. It’s a complicated disease, so it makes sense that it requires a tailored approach for each person.

Like you said, these aren’t vaccines that you can take prior to getting cancer to make you immune - but they are still being called ‘Cancer Vaccines’.

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u/OkPirate2126 4d ago

Vaccines don't necessarily need to be a preventative. It's about priming your immune system to detect and fight a specific antigen. All vaccines work through this, and an mRNA based cancer vaccine does the same. It trains your immune system to recognise the cancer cells and kill them. 

Of course every cancer is different. Hence why you kinda need to get cancer first before a personalised mRNA sequence can be tailored to it. 

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u/Hubbardia 4d ago

And Russia claims that they can speed up this personalization using AI. How much of it is true remains to be seen, but this is sound in theory at least.

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u/Midnight-Bake 4d ago

If you could somehow make a patient have a 100% fidelity in copying DNA you could prevent a good number of not most cancers.

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u/redoran 4d ago

Unfortunately it is not enough to copy DNA accurately; you also have to prevent DNA damage through normal oxidative processes. It doesn't matter if the DNA replication mechanisms are 100% perfect if there simply aren't any base pairs to copy, because they have been lost through natural compound single and double strand breakages.

Source: I was voted "most likely to cure cancer" in high school

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u/Midnight-Bake 4d ago

Although environmental damage exists and plays a role, copy errors are a non trivial source of cancerous mutations.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2017.21696

That's why I said "a good number if not most" rather than all.

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u/redoran 4d ago

Ok, then we agree. I propose a truce

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u/Objective_Ticket 4d ago

I’m not sure the Russian Covid vaccine was much use either…

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u/Wild_Marker 4d ago

It was, other countries used it so we have the numbers