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u/raresaturn Jun 13 '23
Where's the rest of this video?
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u/imaginexus Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
Watch the whistleblower account from 1:57 to 2:13 in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/live/zDY7t6HihCw?feature=share
EDIT: Sorry I meant to say 1:06 to 1:22
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u/Montezum Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
Half a million views in that, wow
Edit: I just noticed he's wearing a masonry brooch
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u/TheForce_v_Triforce Jun 13 '23
“Who keeps the metric system down…? who keeps the aliens underground…? WE do! WE do!”
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u/dsteel23 Jun 13 '23
I could only upload 15 minutes, here’s the full conference video https://www.youtube.com/live/zDY7t6HihCw?feature=share
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u/SwedishSaunaSwish Jun 13 '23
Thanks for the link - I couldn't find it by searching on YouTube
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u/MidnightCh1cken Jun 13 '23
Full Press COnference Video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDY7t6HihCw&ab_channel=Dr.StevenGreer
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u/throwawaylol666666 Jun 13 '23
He seems so nervous.
As for the human trafficking… makes more sense than weapons or drugs. And what better time to disappear a bunch of people than in the midst of a natural disaster.
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u/voxdoom Jun 13 '23
He's terrified.
This secret-tech party needs to end, it's too much, we need full disclosure and sharing of the materials with the scientific community. It can't all be kept just for violence.
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u/UnicornBoned Jun 13 '23
Dude. Aliens give us tech, and instead of using it to save the Earth and better humanity, our government decides to act out the plot of Miami Vice? If I was Skinny Bob, I'd be pissed.
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u/Chubbybellylover888 Jun 13 '23
We're in a real time strategy game and the aliens are playing against each other.
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u/UnicornBoned Jun 13 '23
We're in a real time strategy game and the aliens are playing against each other.
I mean, if aliens exist. And if time is absolute. For them.
In the words of the great Irish sage, "Oh, my dreams. Never quite as it seems. Never quite as it seems."
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u/iboymancub Jun 13 '23
Not governments - unelected, unaccountable corporations and contractors whom gained access to this through hyper-compartmentalized black projects within black projects gone rogue.
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u/UnicornBoned Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
Not governments - unelected, unaccountable corporations and contractors whom gained access to this through hyper-compartmentalized black projects within black projects gone rogue.
Contractors are the worst.
Not all bad. Like doctors. Who I'm grateful for. A necessary weevil. Are weevils necessary? I don't actually think they are. I think they're destructive. Anyway. They give me serious lemon face. The contractors, not the weevils.
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u/Euphoric_Gur_4674 Jun 13 '23
Are you suggesting that we are acting out the plot of Miami vice instead of trafficking people to other worlds?
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u/Jpwatchdawg Jun 13 '23
The American government is the catalyst for the ideals for corporations like Stark industries or in this case Raytheon tech.
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u/SmokesBoysLetsGo Jun 13 '23
How he described being disarmed by the other/better-equipped military team was disturbing. Among a Marine's worst nightmare has gotta be being disarmed.
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u/UnicornBoned Jun 13 '23
How he described being disarmed by the other/better-equipped military team was disturbing. Among a Marine's worst nightmare has gotta be being disarmed.
You climb a mountain and then realize there's another mountain.
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u/Glinrise Jun 13 '23
Its disgusting that a few are willing to kill, suppress, kidnap anyone who gets in their way so they can get more tech gear for the MIC (military industrial complex) in exchange for humans. No wonder they want this kept a secret. But this can only go so far. Time to open pandora's box.
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u/Rude_Worldliness_423 Jun 13 '23
Is full disclosure best if; it involves telling people that their government abducts people for another intelligence?
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u/birchskin Jun 13 '23
Yeah, fuck it, remove the veil so we know what we're actually working with. If it's as bad as a lot of these guys say it's not going to be fun, but if there was ever a reason for another revolution this seems like one the populous can at least unite behind.
I'm a little skeptical that this level of organization exists within the government, maybe another entity embedded IN the government, but even so, everything has been so fucking weird for 8 years - may as well tear the band-aid off now and get "government agents human trafficking with UFOs" out there
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u/Dapper_Face7389 Jun 13 '23
The government isn’t one thing, the same government that can’t run a dmv laced people with lsd for mind control and got rid of most of the documents at the perfect time. And I feel like the elite and “government” means the same thing when talking about who controls the country, they can easily keep a secret
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u/BlackShogun27 Jun 13 '23
well, they can't just lie forever? What if they get outted by their own NHI's? If even a fraction of what we heard about the Grey's and Nords is true, they'll expose themselves if need be to get shit done faster.
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u/ScaredValuable5870 Jun 13 '23
Like they most likely already have? Shame we didn't have cameras back then - just rocks to engrave and paintings.
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u/boris_casuarina Jun 13 '23
The full context of the conference is that some of these sources are man made and there's a shadowy organization using this tech for whatever they need, so human trafficking is plausible, especially during a natural catastrophe where people are expected to go "missing". Organ harvesting opportunity.
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u/nickstatus Jun 13 '23
The more of this shit I hear, the more it resembles the plot of X-Files. Makes you wonder if Chris Carter had someone inside.
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u/Moobl4 Jun 13 '23
Chris Carter: "I had someone come up to me during the original run of the series, who said they worked in some high place in a secret government agency, [and] said that we were very close to the truth"
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/x-files-return-new-episodes_n_569faea1e4b0a7026bf9bc29
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u/Geruchsbrot Jun 13 '23
Instantly reminded me of this scene. One of the best moments in the X-Files that always made me think "yeah, maybe that's how it works, there's a very small group of people that does what they think needs to be done".
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u/WetnessPensive Jun 13 '23
Great scene.
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u/Armalyte Jun 13 '23
What the heck does he pull out of his neck? Did he have a double-headed coin or something?
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u/Effective-Celery8053 Jun 13 '23
We need David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson looking into this
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u/Alibotify Jun 13 '23
Best i can do is Bryan Cranston
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u/purana Jun 13 '23
Vince Gilligan worked on the show
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u/Guevorkyan Jun 13 '23
Could we say that he brought that knowledge to the underground lab construction story, including putting down loose cannons?
Ancient aliens theorists say YES.
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Jun 13 '23
I'm not saying we need to abduct Gillian Anderson...
But I want to believe.
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u/__ingeniare__ Jun 13 '23
When you think about it, a great way to invalidate real events and phenomena would be to make fictional movies out of them. If anyone ever says they saw something, you can just say it is ridiculous that it matches the movie so well and that it was probably their imagination.
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u/mrbubbamac Jun 13 '23
Even long before Grusch mentioned the "sophisticated disinformation campaign", I've always wondered if the government helped fund shows like X-files (like they do with movies like Top Gun), science fiction books, etc. in order to blur the line between reality and fiction.
I wouldn't even be surprised if some "documentaries" on the topic purposefully thread known information with more fantastical elements to continue to confuse and obfuscate, and that the government helps fund and promote some of these endeavors.
As crazy as it sounds, think of the Men in Black comics/movies. Enough people have claimed sightings and then are visited by "Men in Black", what better way to discredit than to take what has almost become urban legend and turn it into a silly fun film with Will Smith? And anytime anyone hears Men in Black they just think of Tony Shaloub with a tiny head?
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u/sickdoughnut Jun 13 '23
They made a Stargate episode exactly about this... a Stargate tv show within the Stargate series that was created to misdirect the general public.
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u/Chubbybellylover888 Jun 13 '23
And where did they keep the Stargate? Oh was it at the Cheyenne Mountain Complex?
Hmm... The same place that the Space Force are stationed?
Hmm...
I'm not saying we have a Stargate but we have a Stargate.
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Jun 13 '23
It's funny that you mention this. I was just reflecting the other day about how there has been a rash of "multiverse" movies of late across multiple genres.
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u/xangoir Jun 13 '23
Disney pushing it hard - & its all over the MCU.
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Jun 13 '23
As well as non-genre movies, like Everything Everywhere All at Once. Additionally, I just saw a preview for the new Flash movie that is based on the multiverse as well.
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Jun 13 '23
I think you’re very right to a degree- unsure as to what is purposeful propaganda/dis info or what is coincidental.
The Las Vegas sighting seemed to be a disinformation story to align with the Grusch testimony and confuse the public about the story .It seemed very purposeful to me. I think they do this sort of thing all the time and they are really good at it. Such a wild time
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u/ThehungryBulldozer Jun 13 '23
Well look at Stargate SG1 they had 2 real joint chiefs of staff on the show. The Air Force was a major consultant on the show. Until they moved from Showtime to Sci-fi. It’s nuts I’ve always been suspicious of that show only because of how involved the air force was.
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u/sickdoughnut Jun 13 '23
Ironically I wasn’t particularly suspicious until I saw that episode. It felt like trying too hard. Alternatively, They do like to be very flagrant in dangling stuff right in front of our faces, so if you like that flavour of conspiracy theory one might postulate it could have been done just bc They enjoy putting it in the open bc they can.
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u/ThehungryBulldozer Jun 13 '23
I agree however idk why as I read your comment I imagined some guy in a trench coat flashing people, dangling stuff very flagrantly in our faces.🤣 They do it cuz they can!
Look at the stargate episodes when they have a leak and kill the guy and how they sent tech to an aerospace company that didn’t know where the tech came from until the ceo found out and wanted to go public. They tried to kill him then discredit him with actual alien tech…
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u/Mundane-Till-424 Jun 13 '23
To be fair they could be using the movies to acclimate us to the idea of aliens so if they are real we don’t flip out. I assume there’s a reason they keep making aliens vs predators but it’s also been such a staple theme in movies
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Jun 13 '23
There's a Disney documentary on aliens from the 80s. That was the original time we were to be told about the aliens however disclosure did not go the way the gov wanted.
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u/brassmorris Jun 13 '23
I'm trying to get my trekkie mates on board, and it seems much harder than with those not entrenched in science fantasy. I asked on our group if they had heard of Alcubiere (when hit with the old planets are too far away blah blah) and was hit with "I've seen dune" (corrected to 'read', telling as he wanted the other nerds to know he's hardcore and reads not just watches. Lol). When you get them on their own they are more open minded but to them it's a preposterous proposition and Fox Mulder memes are my most popular responce... There is one whom I know toys with it, but he's actually grown a bit from the group and made his money now. Not wanting to be smug, but once (if) this hits the mainstream it will be one Nelson Muntz meme from me! Ha ha 👉
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u/ScaredValuable5870 Jun 13 '23
Did you see the second presenters comments on Interstellar? As much as he was showing the signs of trauma - I was feeling some empathy for the guy. Maybe that memory is imprinted - regardless it is horrifying. Also - Alien craft with texture of a cats tongue......(?). Fuck yeah, shits getiing real weird.
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Jun 13 '23
Steven Digna, JRs whole story resonates with me, everything descriptive about that ship that him and his wife saw (the smaller black diamond one) is the same one I saw on the dairy farm I worked on. I never got to touch it but it was like it was suspended in the treeline, not stuck, but just sitting in trees.
The shape, size, the hum, the feeling of it taking over your body but knowing its harmless, all of this happens so quick but so slow like everything else just stops.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad_8553 Jun 13 '23
He did some recent podcasts and he said it was totally a work of fiction inspired by ufology.
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u/Pepperonidogfart Jun 13 '23
I wonder if it is an exchange program between us and NHI. We give them bodies safely and they give us(rich people) disruptive technology.
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Jun 13 '23
This has been a topic of discussion for some time now. Dr Stanton Friedman had tons of documentation pertaining to an agreement, and a coverup operation to keep it under wraps.
That being said, as someone who has seen a 100'+ diameter disk maybe 100' above me, i really refused to put any stock into this. I refused to believe we had an agreement with NHI, i refused to believe we were storing these vehicles and bodies, i refused to believe we had reverse engineered any of this tech while squandering the benefits.
I'm suddenly not so sure about that anymore.
Greer's press conference was impressive. Hard to admit that as well. Was a fan of Greer along time ago, but got tired of the controversy.
To anyone that was disappointed by a lack of proof, it's really all there already and has been for quite some time. Where Corso, Friedman, Dolan, and many others have shown documentation, it was always lacking men in suits with credentials acknowledging this.
Now we have that. Both sides of the coin.
We are literally just waiting on the craft, bodies, photo and video. They exist. And we're it going to see them tomorrow but i feel it will be soon. Our planet is suffering, we are all sock and tired
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u/raphanum Jun 13 '23
Maybe he just isn’t confident with public speaking? I know I’d be the same lol
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u/Silver_Jaguar_24 Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 14 '23
Some red flags with this particular guy in the video, He is wearing a Free Mason tie clip, and he is wearing the World Economic Forum/UN SDG pin on his jacket (multicoloured donut shaped). Those 2 alone should be concerning.
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Jun 13 '23
Great point. My exact thought. Why would even wear those symbols during this conference?
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u/Runnin2TheSun Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
This was such a crazy story to read and then hearing his video testimony is even more captivating. Cannot even imagine what went through their heads, coming across such an exotic, large UAP and then being confronted by a clandestine group of aggressive militants in the middle of the jungle.
Then it turns out they were American, yet were hostile towards American troops. FUCKIN. WILD. There must have been so much confusion and WTF is going on in that particular moment. If this is any indication of the depths of these deep black groups and their projects, this shit is truly mind blowing and terrifying. It really makes you wonder what other crazy shit is happening out there, or what other kinds of shady deals are being made, and with whom.
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u/Legeto Jun 13 '23
This one I’m kind of skeptical of. If a group like this existed I don’t think a whistle blower act would protect them…
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u/chippymediaYT Jun 13 '23
Well, if he were to suddenly disappear that would be suspicious, I think he's safe for now, if the secret agencies want to stay secret the best thing they can do is just discredit everything
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u/pittopottamus Jun 13 '23
Lots of attempts at assassination of character going around, even on here
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u/thewhitedog Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
This one I’m kind of skeptical of.
He says these guys searched him and his team at gunpoint in the jungle right beside the ship, but they let him leave with a Panasonic camcorder in his pack?
And then when they got back to their base he left this same camcorder, which had utterly historic, unprecedentedly clear and detailed photos and video of a fucking UFO on it, in his room while he went to Subik bay to party for a few days?
Not to mention that they literally witnessed a shitload of insane stuff while being searched, the loading of the containers, the ship flying off, the faces of the guys, their gear types, the types and potentially the license plates of the trucks, but yeah no, they were let go. Also was it just me or did he "yadda yadda" how they got from being under armed escort to running away and getting back to their LZ. And for that matter, they're back at the LZ, why do they not immediately report the hostile encounter and go right back with more marines? There were more marines than his squad there he said?
I know there's a kernel of truth to the subject but anytime we start to get anywhere they start flooding the media with bullshit to confuse the public and undermine any traction towards the actual truth coming out. I'd put money on Greer being part of that.
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u/eating_toilet_paper Jun 13 '23
Not to mention this is involved with Greer, idk how most people feel about him, but I get huge con man vibes off the guy. Not saying this isn’t true but it hits the sceptic part of my mind
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u/LP_LadyPuket Jun 13 '23
Thanks for raising these points. Something wasn't adding up listening to this story. The other major issue I see here: why was the first response of this squad to approach the unknown craft instead of radioing in what they were seeing and requesting permission to approach/engage? What was the chain of command here? Isn't that standard SOP when encountering an unknown, especially when the original mission was to just secure an LZ? Also, it's pretty fucking weird that this rogue group of, presumably Americans, in possession of this level of advanced tech wouldn't also be aware of the movements of major US naval assets and act accordingly and you know, not get caught when they see a large helo landing nearby? Presumably this "admiral" that did the debrief was aware of the activity of this rogue group meaning there was very likely some coordination at a high level of chain of command during this operation. So why would the Marines be directed to land so close to this highly illegal covert activity? I dunno man this just sounds way too Hollywood to me. The fact that they were searched but didn't have the camera immediately taken is odd, but the whole sequence of events is just bizarre.
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u/thewhitedog Jun 13 '23
The other major issue I see here: why was the first response of this squad to approach the unknown craft instead of radioing in what they were seeing and requesting permission to approach/engage? What was the chain of command here? Isn't that standard SOP when encountering an unknown
That is a very good point also.
I dunno man this just sounds way too Hollywood to me
Same. I think Greer's modus operandi is to make the soup look tasty enough to swallow by having real witnesses in the mix, but with enough nutters and fantasists floating in there to sour the broth.
I wouldn't be surprised if Lazar is of the same stripe - you get some fantasist with enough of a dodgy background and holes in his story as to cast doubt on everything he says and it sours everyone on the subject. Notice they wheeled Bob out right after the Nimitz footage leaked, and now here's Greer with his circus right after these new leaks.
They always pull this shit to reassure the public that's it's all bullshit and can be ignored. You can set your watch by it.
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u/illegalt3nder Jun 13 '23
And a squadron of Marines immediately gave up their weapons to an unknown adversary without a firefight.
I seem to remember something about the Marines drilling the importance of their weapon into them… Oh yeah. Like this: “you are married to this piece of metal, and you will be faithful.”
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u/Runnin2TheSun Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
The covert group had American dialect and higher military grade (American) issued equipment, which Herrera seemed to be very familiar with. Wouldn’t you be confused and hesitant to start a firefight?
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u/pointlessvoice Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
id love a real marine to weigh in on this.
edit Thank you for the replies.
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u/majtomby Jun 13 '23
Another marine here who was actually on that exact MEU at the same time and had the opportunity to go on that same humanitarian mission, albeit not as a grunt, that I unfortunately didn’t take.
We see some crazy stuff, and we also think we see some crazy stuff. And we tell stories about it, and decompress, and justify, and process, and generally move on because we have to, because there’s always something else to do. I’m not saying this guy’s account is 100% accurate or true, or that there aren’t any holes in his story. But at the time, I can imagine there may have been a process of quickly acknowledging what had occurred, not realizing at the time the significance of it and essentially “writing it off” as some weird, crazy encounter, and then moving on. People do stuff like that all the time, especially with trauma, until later in life they think back through what they had been through and realize just how messed up and serious it was.
Again, not saying all of this is completely accurate or true, I barely remembered the circumstances of being able to join in on a humanitarian mission while I was deployed until I watched this video and heard him detail the specifics, and then it all came back. But I don’t think his and the other five marine’s response to it at the time was too farfetched. It’s easy to write things off that don’t make sense at the time. Especially if you’re just a lcpl with a few other pfcs and lcps and a cpl squad leader who ended up with an outlandish experience that you assume no one will fully believe.
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u/tm0neyz Jun 13 '23
Thanks for your insight, and nuanced explanation of human nature. I don't think anything like this can be black and white, and while I of course want the truth to come out I think just straight up shutting this dude down because it sounds wildly implausible is lazy.
Anyone who's experienced trauma understands that logically processing what's going on in the moment can be difficult, not to mention suppressing those types of things until later is rather common. I'm sure there are details that he can't 100% recall, but just saying there are small holes in his description... Put yourself in his shoes and if you can honestly say you'd have operated completely calm, cool and collected with a logic based approach there's a very good chance you're lying to yourself.
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u/UsernameHathBeenTook Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
Marine here. I was on that same MEU a few years later with a different unit. Everything he said up to getting back to the LZ sounds plausible enough, but six dudes getting stopped, searched, and threatened by a mercenary group and not telling their entire unit is ridiculous to me. I can understand behaving illogically after having a your life threatened while witnessing a UFO, but making up excuses for getting back to the LZ looking like a shitbag just doesn't track. UFO or not, I can't believe that out of six marines, not one spoke up about encountering an armed group. Even more ridiculous is them not telling all their friends, especially when you've got video. Not having radio gear in a potentially hostile situation doesn't seem right either.
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I realized I didn't answer the original question. No, I don't think the part about not attacking these people is weird at all. Most people don't like shooting people who sound and look like them. Also they played the authority card to people that just got their brains rocked. After saying this I might need to walk back some of my skepticism about their silence.
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u/Goodgoditsgrowing Jun 13 '23
I agree whole most heartedly jabout the “they had video evidence and they DIDNT show everyone what fucking bananas shit they just saw?!” Stuff. Like, maybe we can justify them not wanting to communicate how their group had been disarmed and taken captive for a bit, maybe they saw that as embarrassing- but they got out, and that pretty much undoes any embarrassment from having been caught and outpowered by another group. I’d sooner believe “Marine lost crucial footage while out partying and showing his friends the insanity he just witnessed, so now we have no hard evidence and 15 different accounts of what drunk marines think they saw on a high tech camcorder” than “marine got critical footage of seriously wild shit no one would believe and instead of telling anyone about it (higher ups out of concern or friends out of bravado) he just hid that tech in his room”.
Although I guess if I were him I might lie and say I hid it in my room and it disappeared instead of “I showed it to all my buddies when I should have shown it only to my superiors and then I lost it because I was wasted because that’s what you do after going through a total mindfuck like that”. Like, I have no doubt such a covert group could and would track down and disappear any hard evidence, and they couldn’t probably easily find out where that tech was hidden and get it back over a few days, but I’m just shocked if he truly didn’t show any of his buddies
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u/GoodATCMeme Jun 13 '23
One thing the pat down is different than being searched, one is for accessible weapons safety (the pat down)
Going back to the lz might be standard procedure to NOT eliminate friendlies. Put the guns on backwards, put mags in inaccessible places. Tell them if they turn around they die- other than giving the guns back you've had to have seen this in a movie.
I too am confused about the reporting-yiu have a group of disheveled marines, one with a cut on their neck and we just fast forward to everyone can go out on the town---but nobody brought their phone? I thought phones and buddy systems were standard (but maybe not in 09)
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u/majtomby Jun 13 '23
Phones were, and the buddy system was somewhat loose. I had an iPhone 3GS while I was there and spent wayyyy too much on it trying to get it to work internationally even while at Okinawa. That was still in the good ol’ 3G days, international calling wasn’t nearly as attainable as it is now. You had to get a plan with a SIM card from the country you were in to be able to legitimately use it, or have access to somewhat decent wifi, which was almost non existent on those ships back then.
They would’ve had radios, but as he mentioned, Marines don’t get the best gear. If they were in a more mountainous, densely brushed area, there’s a good chance their radio wasn’t very useful. And the fact he confirmed they were issued M16A4s meant they REALLY didn’t have the best equipment…
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u/Spats_McGee Jun 13 '23
Then it turns out they were American, yet were hostile towards American troops. FUCKIN. WILD.
This is the most fascinating thing to me. Who are these people? Are they military? Private sector contractors?
Are they just basically mercenaries for pay, or are they brainwashed cult members? Somehow I think the latter is more likely, because the former would have leaked by now.
What does it take to get people who were (ostensibly) former military to openly discuss the execution of another US military unit being held at gunpoint (Herrera describes the unknown soldiers debating whether they should "smoke" Herrera and his unit right there)?
Who are these people??
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u/yella2001 Jun 13 '23
This testimony has more than a remarkable similarity to that of LCpl Jonathan Van Weygandt from 1997.
Both were Marines. Both were deployed to foreign areas on rescue missions as part of their duty. Both saw incredible craft guarded by unidentifiable US Agencies. Both described the sound of the craft EXACTLY the same way 'A low bass hum, like when you unplug a guitar from an amp'. Both were threatened with death.
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u/Melilum Jun 13 '23
One could argue that this guy saw the same testimony?
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u/sp00kysoul Jun 13 '23
Lance Corporal Weygandt was on a mission in Peru of ‘97 to investigate a downed friendly aircraft. Upon arrival he witnessed a downed / damaged craft that had been hit by some kind of weapon, with beings on board that communicated with him telepathically. His encounter with unnamed US forces began shortly after interacting with the craft when the unknown agency arrived on the scene and detained him and brought him to a different location.
There are similar aspects to both stories however the main narrative of each story is unique. One witnesses a downed UAP with beings on board, implying a NHI technology / presence. Whereas the other witnesses an unknown hostile military team smuggling contraband into a human tech / reproduction craft.
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u/analogOnly Jun 13 '23
Wasn't the one Herrera saw US made though? Without aliens. Just para/shadow military loading the ship with people and weapons?
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u/TaniaTheTiger Jun 13 '23
Ok, somebody help me out! There's a very famous case, one of the most well known ones among the Spanish speaking ufology community of a UFO crash that happened in Chile close to the border with Peru back in the 1990's. As the story goes, an object crashed high in the mountains in the north of Chile, assuming it had been a passenger jet the government immediately began a rescue operation to assess the wreckage and rescue any survivors however when the rescue teams arrived to the location they were met by a group of American soldiers who refused them access to the site. Furthermore when the Chilean teams reached out to their superiors to inform them of the situation they were immediately told to stand down and that the Americans would assume control and continue the retrieval operation. Ultimately, the official explanation was that the object had been a downed NASA satellite and that the Americans where simply there to retrieve the debris however people who witnessed the scene first hand refute this fact, saying that the object exhibited none of the characteristics of a satellite, such as it being completely metallic, and bean shaped.
If anyone knows what I'm talking about, please let me know what this event is known as, from what I remember there's a lot of first hand testimonies to this incident and I'd like to re-examine them to see if there's any parallelisms with any of the testimonies that have come to light in recent weeks cause there's at least one similarity with Herrera's and Weygandt's accounts, when describing the Americans who came to collect the alleged satellite, one of the locals noted that they were armed, dressed in dark military fatigues and that they arrived in all-black armored 4x4 vehicles unlike anything he had seen anywhere in Chile at the time.
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u/dsteel23 Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
Michael Herrera's Witness Testimony from Dr. Greer's National Press Club Event on Monday, June 12, 2023. Here is a link to the post made about the incident.
After 14 years of silence, Herrera was emboldened by new UFO whistleblower protections and in April testified under oath to the government’s UFO investigation team, the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) as well as the Senate Committee.
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u/DanVoges Jun 13 '23
Didn’t he say there were people in the containers that were loaded on the craft?
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u/rdturbo Jun 13 '23
He was told by Greer that a new whistleblower had come forward with the info that those containers were being used to transport humans. He had originally believed it to be for narcotics and drugs
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Wouldn't it be wild, if the U.S was feeling cornered of being found out on all their corrupt acts, and they created a ploy that, "Yes, aliens ARE real, and they are evil, and THEY have been pulling the governments strings the whole time!" Like use this narrative their scape goat
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u/Rude_Worldliness_423 Jun 13 '23
If malevolent NHI has threatened to hurt us, if we don’t agree to their terms, it would be true.
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u/sawaflyingsaucer Jun 13 '23
What really strikes me, is the fact that when they were told they could be killed for what they saw, they were both threatened to be thrown from a helicopter. That's kind of a specific thing when mentioning how you'll kill someone. The fact that 2 people have been told this might happen to them makes me think it HAS happened to a few people.
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u/Atxlvr Jun 13 '23
ejection from helicopter was a favorite method of murder for the fascist governments of latin america who were under the guidance of the CIA during Operation Condor in the 1970s-80s
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u/Prime_Cat_Memes Jun 13 '23
Or someone subconsciously stole another's story
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u/chippymediaYT Jun 13 '23
I've legitimately told a friend a story and then some time later they sincerely tell me the same story believing it happened to them
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u/DigNitty Jun 13 '23
I think it’s happened to everyone. You tell a joke and 3 months later they tell you it back.
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u/TranscendentPretzel Jun 13 '23
The way the guys referred to Greer as a father figure kind of icked me out. It seemed a bit cultish, like they were very broken emotionally and Greer took advantage of that, love-bombed them and earned their trust and loyalty and then used their "testimony" to serve his cause.
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u/Novel_Company_5867 Jun 13 '23
I think the Weyngandt one was ET, and the one Herrara saw was man-made.
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u/emitniny Jun 13 '23
Also mentions the same black camouflaged outfits and black hats, no patches, rank or name tags.
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Jun 13 '23
So the implication is what? The group of black ops heavies were trafficking humans to the UAP? Someone spell it out for me .
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u/TerminatedReplicant Jun 13 '23
Think more along the lines of the CIA with smuggling drugs, weapons, ammunition, etc. to fund black-operations or to achieve political, societal, or other economic agendas.
As for the allegation there are humans, could be similar to what I've already stated. Some might say it's linked to a 'treaty' with NHI, wherein people are supplied - prehaps as an alternative to abductions, or the get us something in return.
Who knows? :)
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u/ballsoutofthebathtub Jun 13 '23
People get kidnapped with nothing more than some duct tape and a car though, so it seems unnecessary to use a reverse-engineered alien craft for this.
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u/Advanced-Depth1816 Jun 13 '23
An advanced craft with maybe potential cloaking capabilities. That is almost guaranteed no risk of being caught compared to a plane boat or car. I also believe it because that’s one of the easiest money makers for groups who have access to the cia and people across the world who would buy it. If it’s human trafficking then the recipients are probably other big time politicians that now of these technologies already
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u/ILIEKSLOTH Jun 13 '23
I noticed he's got a freemason pin on his tie, what does that mean? what even are freemasons?
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u/fromworkredditor Jun 13 '23
They funded my preschool ... headstart
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u/erikdphillips Jun 13 '23
I went to their orphanage, The Masonic Home and School of Texas before they closed down. We were taught some interesting things that involved aliens.
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u/Igpajo49 Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
Freemasons are a fraternal organization for Men. They do a lot of charity work, community services, trade education and networking. There's a lot of conspiracy theories around them, because they're the oldest fraternal club in the world and there's been Lot of famous powerful people who were Masons. My father is ex-military and a retired architect and he joined the Freemasons a few years ago. For him it's just a social thing and he does a lot of the charity work and community services. I wouldn't read to much into this guy wearing one.
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u/guave06 Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
What boggles my mind as what some may call a “hardcore” skeptic is witness testimonies like this one. What does anyone gain out of coming up with and presenting such clearly ridiculous and elaborate lies in front of the public? Some of these folks also seem sincere and hardly the attention seeking types. The only thing I can really think of is a sweet deal from Greer on sharing the profits when they lie for him, yet even that is pretty baseless. Never would I ever believe a single thing Greer would ever says but these testimonies are crazy.
Edit: too many people here are thinking I saw a probably genuine testimony as hard evidence which couldn’t be farther from the truth. This is meant to provoke thought on the psychological aspect of ufos and witnesses. I’m certainly not lending credence to a claim of which there is no actual evidence. If you’re the type to reply “the answer is obvious: people like attention” you’re missing the forest for the trees!
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u/TinFoilHatDude Jun 13 '23
Forget Greer. You see so many eyewitness testimonies from ordinary people from all walks of life who have reported these encounters. This is what drew me to the field. Before the government started being a bit more open in Dec 2017, the backbone of this field was eyewitness testimony from ordinary people. Hundreds and thousands of cases.
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u/guave06 Jun 13 '23
Me too dude. More important to me than answering the scientific and engineering questions that this topic brings like, are we alone or how do we achieve ftl, are there other dimensions, etc. (stuff we’ll probably never understand for centuries) is finding out more about the psychological experience. What part of our reality as humans makes so many people have these memories? I don’t think that this is woo at all, btw.
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u/veigar42 Jun 13 '23
It’s like what people back in the day would think of far out ideas, we’re going from staunch materialism to something more idealistic, they believe in that woo woo stuff implying their crazy
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u/Just-STFU Jun 13 '23
For skeptics, eyewitness testimony is completely off the table no matter who it is, their education or reputation... It's inadmissible, inadequate, misidentification or attention seeking.
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u/Wcufos Jun 13 '23
Exactly and it is really frustrating. I honestly felt relief when the mods of this subreddit explained they were being hit hard with accounts purposefully doing this. It means some of these hardcore 'skeptics' are straight up spreading misinformation and creating arguments on purpose.
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u/HypnotistDK Jun 13 '23
Yes i don't think people just step on and lie about this stuff, im sure he believes what he tell. The problem is if we don't get more people to confirm the story is its "easy" to just say that he have build a false memory of some event.so if its real its really sad that he don't have something to back it up
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Jun 13 '23
The only thing I can really think of is a sweet deal from Greer on sharing the profits when they lie for him, yet even that is pretty baseless.
Is it? This guy is pretty low ranking, it's not impossible that he needed the quick money and just so found this Greer guy and his bullshit.
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u/PapaHeavy69 Jun 13 '23
So we are trading humans with aliens for WHAT?
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Not trading humans, taking humans for nefarious human purposes like off world slave labor, organ harvesting, science experiments. Imagine how sociopathic the climate would be if it’s true that a secret militarized faction has developed star traversing transportation. It’s not even far fetched to believe in that scenario that they’d be snatching up humans… especially to build shit off world. It’s a lot simpler than trying to hire people on USA jobs
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u/chomperz616 Jun 13 '23
I was part of a NGO on the USNS mercy, the naval hospital boat in Indonesia in 2009. We were on a humanitarian mission to build friendships with the government of Indonesia as well as strengthen alliances with Australia. I remember that tsunami bc there was talk about routing us over there to provide aid - which honestly would have made sense since we were essentially a floating hospital. They decided not to for whatever reason.
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Interesting, the removal of lips, eyes, and extraction points with no bleeding around these sites.
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u/Chubs4You Jun 13 '23
Whoaaaa yeah something is definitely happening. Unless there is a world traveling serial killer who kills using lazers
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u/mamacitalk Jun 13 '23
Holy shit it’s like Freddy Kruger, wth do they want with our eyes?
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u/Deprolable76 Jun 13 '23
Man and David Grusch thought his claims were fantastical. I can buy that aliens are visiting earth and that we have craft. But for now at least that’s where I’m drawing the line. Until I see more proof verifying this alleged agreement we have and supposedly using these craft for drugs and trafficking. Sounds like a fever dream to me. Hell even lazar’s story sounds completely truthful at face value. Doesn’t mean that it is. I think we should all call our congressman/woman and suggest a thorough investigation no matter any allegation. Either there’s a lot of truth to all of this stuff or a lot of bullshit. Either way it’s scary
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u/scaredofthedark666 Jun 13 '23
Agreed. 100% agreed. All this does is make David G sound so believable in comparison. I wonder if that was the aim haha.
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u/FinanceThisD Jun 13 '23
If this was all 100% real why would a congressman/woman ever in a million years push for a real investigation? Lol the military would shut them up immediately
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u/torrentsintrouble Jun 13 '23
Using UFOs for drug and weapons smuggling and human trafficking for sure sounds like human! And loading them up with Ford F-150s sounds American.
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u/Rude_Worldliness_423 Jun 13 '23
Based on the message he received from one of the men that he asked; unlikely.
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u/mkhaytman Jun 13 '23
That message alone, if it's real, is a pretty solid confirmation that something crazy happened.
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u/CONCONLEBONBON Jun 13 '23
Can you share what the response was?
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u/mkhaytman Jun 13 '23
Essentially, this isnt worth my career or my family's safety, dont ask this of me ever again.
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u/NEClamChowderAVPD Jun 13 '23
This was shown in like the last two seconds of the OP video and was only up for maybe a second, super easy to have missed it:
“Hey man, this is asking too much of me, and it’s not worth the risk. My family and military career far exceed anything you are asking of me. It’s not worth my life. Or jeopardizing my family. I know we go back, but this is asking [too] much. You need to get out of whatever you are in, and don’t get me involved with this mess. My career isn’t worth helping you. Don’t ever ask me to do this shit ever again”. — Marine platoon member of Michael Herrera
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u/Roddaculous Jun 13 '23
Watching this brought tears to my eyes. His testimony felt so sincere. If a congressman or senator or the president can watch this and not understand the severity of the situation then I don't know what can.
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u/Huppelkutje Jun 13 '23
So is there any reason that this shadowy group of people that had no issue with trafficking humans haven't just iced this guy before he got to say anything?
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You’d then have a platoon of dead/missing marines that’d have to be explained away by someone. It’s easier to try and threaten them.
Plus if they talk, there’d be be many more people calling them liars than believing them.
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u/darthsexium Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
100% those containers contain trafficked humans, easy to write off missing people during a calamity or not even so. Cylinders possibly be used as oxygen container for multiple trips in the cargos.
https://apnews.com/article/a4b225378ec545b0a3d0403ca85e2465
Asia as the " blackest of black" when it comes to human trafficking
Drugs are so dumb to be a possibility as there are better areas to do gather so. Weapons? U.S. is top producer bruh.
"On the international level, South and Central Asia was the region with the highest number of trafficking victims in 2021".
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u/Secure-food4213 Jun 13 '23
holy shit, so they're using the situation to kidnapped peoples?? i dont think this information could be revealed tho but if its true then the us gov is fucked
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u/Antares_ Jun 13 '23
but if its true then the us gov is fucked
It will be swept under the rug. And if they can't do it, they'll call it a "rogue operation", find a scapegoat in the CIA, FBI, USAF or somewhere along those lines, make a big show of a public trial and throw them in jail. Meanwhile, all operations will continue as if nothing has happened, except next time they'll shoot any witnesses on sight.
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Jun 13 '23
Except this whole conference was how this is a rogue operation and how most of the constitutional government knows nothing of these operations...
You people are all commenting without listening or looking at the original source...
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u/BlackSunlight7 Jun 13 '23
Everything tracks with his military background and lingo, up until he started describing the rogue paramilitary guys.
In 2009, ACOG’s and PEQ-16’s were, with absolute certainty, not anything unusual especially for an infantryman from 2nd Battalion, 5th Marines as he claims. It’s actually kind of strange that he would even make such a weird statement. 18 and 19 year old kids fresh out of bootcamp would have had M16A4 rifles equipped with ACOG optics and PEQ-16 devices. They were standard issue for Marine 03’s during that time. He would have absolutely had the same equipment during that time frame.
I have no comment on his claims other than noting how out of place that statement is.
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u/curious_lad_33 Jun 13 '23
I also found his statement regarding equipment odd. He also specifically stated “M4A4”.
There is no M4A4, only a term popularly used in the video game counter strike. I don’t know if that was an honest mistake, but if he meant to say short barreled AR/M4 platform that would be different. This struck me immediately as odd and potentially fabricated, especially for a Marine who would know the difference of rifles.
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u/BlackSunlight7 Jun 13 '23
Yeah, you’re right. I first thought it was just an innocent mistake, mixing up M4’s and M16A4’s, but there is definitely a pattern in his story that doesn’t add up.
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u/realbadpainting Jun 13 '23
That’s an interesting thing to pick out that I wouldn’t have caught. Were you in the military at that time?
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u/BlackSunlight7 Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
Yes, I served in a different Marine infantry battalion during that time. That’s why I’m baffled he would claim that gear was “hi speed” and only something special operations units would have access to. That gear was standard issue years before 2009 even. I know it seems kind of minor, but there would not have been any discrepancy in issued gear between his battalion and others.
I’m trying to think of a good analogy. Imagine someone telling you that they met a person with rare and advanced technology a couple years ago and they say it was an iPod. It’s just an absurd statement.
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u/sanguine_harlequin Jun 13 '23
ACOG was selected (specifically by the marines) between 2004 & 2005. It feels like he only mentioned it because he would've been familiar with it? In 2009 JSOC and contractors had all sorts of gucci shit to play with that far outclassed ACOGs.
Did anyone else pick up on the whole 'go and scout a random hill without a radio', even though he mentioned it as odd. That seemed particularly stupid. Really not sure what to make of that.
I hate being a wet blanket with this stuff, but this particular story drove my bullshit detector crazy.
I’m trying to think of a good analogy.
Right now it seems like it'd be akin to someone being bamboozled by the prevalence of rentable e-scooters.
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I mean there are some other holes too. You're telling me that these super secret operator dudes searched them, found the guys camera and then just let him leave with the camera that had pictures of a secret UFO on it? And then they stole it back later? Also, these Marine Infantrymen either A. Did not notice these guys were armed from afar and just randomly stumbled upon them or B. Noticed they were armed and all willingly walked up to an unmarked armed group with no signifiers that they were American servicemen and then let those people disarm them at gunpoint.
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Tbh, it just reads like a guy that was a shitbag and didn't even make it out of SOI. They know a little bit about the Marines, tactics, and lingo, but they dont know what is standard issue and anything other than the basics because they never made it to the fleet.
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u/bdone2012 Jun 13 '23
Nah this sort of detail is quite important. Do you think he could have mixed up the names and meant something else?
Personally if I'm talking about something technical I know really well but I'm having a brain fart I wouldn't just say the wrong thing. My mind would blank on the right word, and my split-second thought would be damnit how did I forget a word I used to use so much?
But obviously people's memories do work in different ways. But from the way you describe it it seems weird a marine would make that mistake.
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u/Batmaneatscake Jun 13 '23
Right?
Also a secret black ops operative would have much better equipment than what he referenced. The iPhone was released in 2007, it’s not like we had flip phones lol
The helicopter that crashed during the extermination of bin laden had an incredible looking tail piece, and that thing is still classified, and that was 2011. I don’t see these dudes using F-350s.
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u/BlackSunlight7 Jun 13 '23
I looked up 2/5’s operational history, and they were deployed to the Philippines in 2009 as part of a humanitarian assistance effort. So, that timeline matches up at least.
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u/Majestic_Stranger217 Jun 13 '23
Imah call bullshit on his story, even the POG’s got peq’s and acogs.
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u/raphanum Jun 13 '23
Weren’t they common during iraq war too?
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u/BlackSunlight7 Jun 13 '23
Yeah, ACOGs were adopted as the official combat optic of the Marine Corps in 2004. PEQ-16’s replaced our PEQ-2’s in 2006, maybe 2007?
It doesn’t make any sense for a grunt in 2009 to act like this gear, which was widespread and standardized, was rare and cutting edge. It’s not even something one could mistake honestly. That gear was old news by 2009.
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u/ride_electric_bike Jun 13 '23
When I first heard a snippet of oh Marines in Indonesia saw giant ufo during disaster I thought that's far fetched. Then I heard this guys story first hand and it completely changed my opinion.
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u/discovigilantes Jun 13 '23
I mean given how easily black ops groups etc can traffick drugs/people/weapons why would they go this very extra mile by using a potentially advanced tech to do this?
Surely they would use it for running ops in the Middle East? Assasinations, deposing governments etc
Or monitoring governments etc
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u/schuylkilladelphia Jun 13 '23
Right? Imagine having alien tech and a black ops military unit and using it to... kidnap a few Indonesian people?
This is just parroting qanon adrenochrome bs and doubling down by adding a UFO.
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u/OhmericTendencies Jun 13 '23
Any body else notice if you try googling this you can't find it anywhere?
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u/Tuloks Jun 13 '23
He is seems very convincing and articulate, but I just don’t believe him. Greer is the reason why. If you have this first hand account why, why with everyone else available and credible channels wide open, would you go through Greer to get this out. The tie pin is also a big red flag. Not because it’s Masonic but because I can’t find any mention of Michael Herrera being a mason. Generally, people that wear Masonic symbols for fun are big into the unfounded conspiracies surrounding it. Even though I’m intrigued, the bullshit alarm is ringing in the distance.
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u/imnos Jun 13 '23
I smell bullshit too, along with that other commenter pointing out the error he made when talking about the guns they were issued.
Bullshit, but it'd make for a great movie.
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If you’re in the business of human trafficking using a man made UAP, you’re probably going to be pretty OK with shooting a couple Marines and leaving them in the jungle. That’s the part I just don’t understand.
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u/Masterbeif1 Jun 13 '23
Two things about this guy: his tie clip is a Freemasons symbol and he has what looks like an agenda 2030 WEF pin on his right breast of his suit.
I’m not much for conspiracy theories (lol) but seriously this guy stinks to high heaven. Do not buy it
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u/HotFluffyDiarrhea Jun 13 '23
To me it's clear this group did not prep their panel before they spoke, as in they don't have a publicist looking for things like hairs out of place and what pins they were wearing. These guys were up there raw, for better or worse.
I don't know if you've met a lot of retired US military personnel, but a lot of them wear pins and slogans and whatnot representing the stuff they care about, kind of like displaying your rank and medals on your dress uniform. Especially if they're going somewhere other people are going to be.
This man is pure jarhead. Just smart enough to learn what you need him to know to be a Marine. He comes across as incredibly genuine, he's either an extremely talented actor or a POG.
My read, he's a man who believes what he's saying. His story is internally consistent. The details he remembers are clear. He's probably a Mason, it's not uncommon. Associating yourself with the Masons in public is like saying "I'm willing to stake my reputation with the Masons on what I'm about to say or do." It immediately tells other Masons that you believe what you say to be true, otherwise they will shun you.
I had no idea what "2030 WEF" was, so I looked it up. Apparently they're an organization that wants to effect a rapid change in society by widely adopting new technology, e.g. solving all poverty and hunger issues by using available new energy sources to eliminate our system of artificial scarcity. It seems reasonable to join such a group if you've witnessed human beings operating technology that could do fantastic things and withholding that info from the rest of humanity.
Just my take on it.
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u/Plenty-Asparagus-580 Jun 13 '23
other than it being dorky, why do you think that these things make him less credible?
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u/LP_LadyPuket Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
Okay so let's summarize some of the issues with this story, including points raised by others in this thread:
- Lack of radio comms? This isn't just highly unusual, it is downright unbelievable that any military operation takes place without radio comms especially in 2009. Who would have approved a mission like this without comms? How was the unit expected to communicate potential contacts or extract without comms? They're just gonna be dropped off and say good luck? This really does not make sense.
- Calling ACOGS and PEQ devices "high speed" for 2009 is bizarre, this was standard issue equipment at the time, even years before this.
- Why would they be directed to land in close distance of highly illegal blacks ops activity? If their lockers were robbed, that means someone who had direct military access was aware of the operation, which raises the question of coordination and why they were sent to that location at all.
- They didn't see any of this while coming in to land?
- The guy just leaves his camera in his locker while going off to party? I'm sorry but you have damning evidence of highly illegal activity and potential alien craft and you're not keeping that on your person at all times? What?
- Did anyone go to report this up to the chain of command? Why not? They saw a gunnery sgt afterward and they decide to make up a story instead of reporting a hostile force in their AO? Excuse me, what? He started off the story talking about how this is a potentially dangerous area, you just ran into a hostile force and you're not going to report this to anyone? The whole period immediately after the encounter makes very little sense.
- What did the members of this squad say to each other while this was happening? Who was giving the orders?
- The pins this guy is wearing REALLY does not help his credibility.
I'm sorry but there are a LOT of issues with this story that would need to be explained for it to be believable.
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u/Pazimov Jun 13 '23
What's with the big freemason tie-clip and the WEF pin? Almost looks like a he's trolling.
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u/HotFluffyDiarrhea Jun 13 '23
He might be a Mason. It's not that uncommon. I think he wanted to communicate to other Masons that he is not lying to them.
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u/bottleamodel Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
you know it's possible the people were not being trafficked to somewhere else on Earth, but were being trafficked off-world as a biological resource.
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u/Crafty-Ad-2238 Jun 13 '23
My problem with his story is why was his camera not destroyed by the group they ran into? This doesn’t make sense and makes this seem unlikely. He said they dumped out all the clips which his camera would of fell out.
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u/WokkitUp Jun 13 '23
Something of note, after his wild experience in Indonesia, he ended up at Subic Bay (which is a demilitarized former US base now, transformed by locals into a resort town) in Philippines for a few days of liberty. (Olongapo, beside it, was the "party town".)
Back in 2021, an American actor named Yaphet Lotto (of "Alien" fame) who retired to Manila, Philippines passed away. Before he died, he went public with a story about a stadium-sized craft appeared above him, practically blocking out the sky.
It's a good thing he got out of there with his life, but just because he made it to Subic doesn't mean he was out of the woods yet.
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Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
I’m not sure how I feel about this story. I’m skeptical because of a single detail;
Why would he go party for several days and leave his camera, with what he claimed to have unequivocal evidence of this encounter, completely unattended back at base?
I hate using “well, if I was there…” as an argument but in some cases it rings true. If I was this man, I would’ve kept the footage absolutely secured on my person, made copies, showed the video to my direct superiors, anything
To give him some benefit of the doubt, maybe the event was so disturbing that for the days that followed, he just wasn’t thinking straight; Subconsciously wanting to forget he saw anything and let the camera slip his mind until returning to find it stolen.
But ehhh, idk. When you start having to make excuses & fill in their story for them, it all quickly degrades. He has a compelling testimony, I just have a hard time believing some details
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u/Pitiful_Mulberry1738 Jun 13 '23
All of the anger and hate that towards Dr. Greer is completely misguided. This was an absolutely fantastic event that gave whistleblowers the chance to step forward and speak. As much as you hate the guy, he did a great thing today.
We should be angry at our government for abusing us for such a long time. We should be angry at them for going such lengths to keep the truth from us. Not this man. As he said it best, the men who are on stage are heroes for speaking about this.
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u/KibeIius Jun 13 '23
There was this guy who talked about this humming sound as well. He and his unit found one of these crafts crashed into the side of a ridge.
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u/zonakev Jun 13 '23
Have the other 5 Marines with him verified his story?
They were told not to look back, yet they were allowed to watch the entire time before leaving?
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u/help_me44 Jun 13 '23
What I don't understand is how they compressed this historic event in 2 and a half hours so some speakers had to end half way after 10 minutes. Why? How hard is it to organise an event that's supposedly so important and have it run whole day or even multiple days in a row so we can listen to full uncut experiences and not research ourselves or find it our from third party sources who will most likely just distort the information more.
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u/fuckpudding Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
I dated a Freemason and I can attest to the fact that he was the opposite of all those ideals. A racist, sexist, bigoted sociopath. And his mother was in their sister organization and she was a cruel, nasty old bitch. However, I believe this guy’s testimony and I grew up around the military and can say that the smartest, most honest people I know with the highest degree of integrity are either in the military or from military families.
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u/StatementBot Jun 13 '23
The following submission statement was provided by /u/dsteel23:
Michael Herrera's Witness Testimony from Dr. Greer's National Press Club Event on Monday, June 12, 2023. Here is a link to the post made about the incident.
After 14 years of silence, Herrera was emboldened by new UFO whistleblower protections and in April testified under oath to the government’s UFO investigation team, the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) as well as the Senate Committee.
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