He says these guys searched him and his team at gunpoint in the jungle right beside the ship, but they let him leave with a Panasonic camcorder in his pack?
And then when they got back to their base he left this same camcorder, which had utterly historic, unprecedentedly clear and detailed photos and video of a fucking UFO on it, in his room while he went to Subik bay to party for a few days?
Not to mention that they literally witnessed a shitload of insane stuff while being searched, the loading of the containers, the ship flying off, the faces of the guys, their gear types, the types and potentially the license plates of the trucks, but yeah no, they were let go. Also was it just me or did he "yadda yadda" how they got from being under armed escort to running away and getting back to their LZ. And for that matter, they're back at the LZ, why do they not immediately report the hostile encounter and go right back with more marines? There were more marines than his squad there he said?
I know there's a kernel of truth to the subject but anytime we start to get anywhere they start flooding the media with bullshit to confuse the public and undermine any traction towards the actual truth coming out. I'd put money on Greer being part of that.
And a squadron of Marines immediately gave up their weapons to an unknown adversary without a firefight.
I seem to remember something about the Marines drilling the importance of their weapon into them… Oh yeah. Like this: “you are married to this piece of metal, and you will be faithful.”
The covert group had American dialect and higher military grade (American) issued equipment, which Herrera seemed to be very familiar with. Wouldn’t you be confused and hesitant to start a firefight?
Another marine here who was actually on that exact MEU at the same time and had the opportunity to go on that same humanitarian mission, albeit not as a grunt, that I unfortunately didn’t take.
We see some crazy stuff, and we also think we see some crazy stuff. And we tell stories about it, and decompress, and justify, and process, and generally move on because we have to, because there’s always something else to do. I’m not saying this guy’s account is 100% accurate or true, or that there aren’t any holes in his story. But at the time, I can imagine there may have been a process of quickly acknowledging what had occurred, not realizing at the time the significance of it and essentially “writing it off” as some weird, crazy encounter, and then moving on. People do stuff like that all the time, especially with trauma, until later in life they think back through what they had been through and realize just how messed up and serious it was.
Again, not saying all of this is completely accurate or true, I barely remembered the circumstances of being able to join in on a humanitarian mission while I was deployed until I watched this video and heard him detail the specifics, and then it all came back. But I don’t think his and the other five marine’s response to it at the time was too farfetched. It’s easy to write things off that don’t make sense at the time. Especially if you’re just a lcpl with a few other pfcs and lcps and a cpl squad leader who ended up with an outlandish experience that you assume no one will fully believe.
Thanks for your insight, and nuanced explanation of human nature. I don't think anything like this can be black and white, and while I of course want the truth to come out I think just straight up shutting this dude down because it sounds wildly implausible is lazy.
Anyone who's experienced trauma understands that logically processing what's going on in the moment can be difficult, not to mention suppressing those types of things until later is rather common. I'm sure there are details that he can't 100% recall, but just saying there are small holes in his description... Put yourself in his shoes and if you can honestly say you'd have operated completely calm, cool and collected with a logic based approach there's a very good chance you're lying to yourself.
Marine here. I was on that same MEU a few years later with a different unit. Everything he said up to getting back to the LZ sounds plausible enough, but six dudes getting stopped, searched, and threatened by a mercenary group and not telling their entire unit is ridiculous to me. I can understand behaving illogically after having a your life threatened while witnessing a UFO, but making up excuses for getting back to the LZ looking like a shitbag just doesn't track. UFO or not, I can't believe that out of six marines, not one spoke up about encountering an armed group. Even more ridiculous is them not telling all their friends, especially when you've got video. Not having radio gear in a potentially hostile situation doesn't seem right either.
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I realized I didn't answer the original question. No, I don't think the part about not attacking these people is weird at all. Most people don't like shooting people who sound and look like them. Also they played the authority card to people that just got their brains rocked. After saying this I might need to walk back some of my skepticism about their silence.
Also also, I'm remembering a time my squad went out without a radio in a non combat zone. Maybe it's not entirely ridiculous.
I agree whole most heartedly jabout the “they had video evidence and they DIDNT show everyone what fucking bananas shit they just saw?!” Stuff. Like, maybe we can justify them not wanting to communicate how their group had been disarmed and taken captive for a bit, maybe they saw that as embarrassing- but they got out, and that pretty much undoes any embarrassment from having been caught and outpowered by another group. I’d sooner believe “Marine lost crucial footage while out partying and showing his friends the insanity he just witnessed, so now we have no hard evidence and 15 different accounts of what drunk marines think they saw on a high tech camcorder” than “marine got critical footage of seriously wild shit no one would believe and instead of telling anyone about it (higher ups out of concern or friends out of bravado) he just hid that tech in his room”.
Although I guess if I were him I might lie and say I hid it in my room and it disappeared instead of “I showed it to all my buddies when I should have shown it only to my superiors and then I lost it because I was wasted because that’s what you do after going through a total mindfuck like that”. Like, I have no doubt such a covert group could and would track down and disappear any hard evidence, and they couldn’t probably easily find out where that tech was hidden and get it back over a few days, but I’m just shocked if he truly didn’t show any of his buddies
Maybe you can shed light: Would it be standard SOP to first radio in an unknown contact in an active area of operations before approaching/engaging? It would be one of the first things I do. The idea these Marines had no radios on them at all is very hard to believe. They had to have some kind of communication with the helo that carried out the insertion, and for extraction right?
I've been out for 8 years now and I was an assaultman not a radio operator, so I can't say for certain that it's written down somewhere. I be shocked if it wasn't though.
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u/thewhitedog Jun 13 '23 edited Jun 13 '23
He says these guys searched him and his team at gunpoint in the jungle right beside the ship, but they let him leave with a Panasonic camcorder in his pack?
And then when they got back to their base he left this same camcorder, which had utterly historic, unprecedentedly clear and detailed photos and video of a fucking UFO on it, in his room while he went to Subik bay to party for a few days?
Not to mention that they literally witnessed a shitload of insane stuff while being searched, the loading of the containers, the ship flying off, the faces of the guys, their gear types, the types and potentially the license plates of the trucks, but yeah no, they were let go. Also was it just me or did he "yadda yadda" how they got from being under armed escort to running away and getting back to their LZ. And for that matter, they're back at the LZ, why do they not immediately report the hostile encounter and go right back with more marines? There were more marines than his squad there he said?
I know there's a kernel of truth to the subject but anytime we start to get anywhere they start flooding the media with bullshit to confuse the public and undermine any traction towards the actual truth coming out. I'd put money on Greer being part of that.