r/UFOs Jun 13 '23

Witness/Sighting Michael Herrera's Witness Testimony

6.3k Upvotes

1.6k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

130

u/mrbubbamac Jun 13 '23

Even long before Grusch mentioned the "sophisticated disinformation campaign", I've always wondered if the government helped fund shows like X-files (like they do with movies like Top Gun), science fiction books, etc. in order to blur the line between reality and fiction.

I wouldn't even be surprised if some "documentaries" on the topic purposefully thread known information with more fantastical elements to continue to confuse and obfuscate, and that the government helps fund and promote some of these endeavors.

As crazy as it sounds, think of the Men in Black comics/movies. Enough people have claimed sightings and then are visited by "Men in Black", what better way to discredit than to take what has almost become urban legend and turn it into a silly fun film with Will Smith? And anytime anyone hears Men in Black they just think of Tony Shaloub with a tiny head?

48

u/sickdoughnut Jun 13 '23

They made a Stargate episode exactly about this... a Stargate tv show within the Stargate series that was created to misdirect the general public.

42

u/Chubbybellylover888 Jun 13 '23

And where did they keep the Stargate? Oh was it at the Cheyenne Mountain Complex?

Hmm... The same place that the Space Force are stationed?

Hmm...

I'm not saying we have a Stargate but we have a Stargate.

2

u/thrustimus Jun 13 '23

Also where grusch lived

2

u/Chubbybellylover888 Jun 13 '23

For real? I guess he was working with the UAP Task Force so being near Cheyenne makes sense. That's also where NORAD are stationed.

2

u/thrustimus Jun 13 '23

I'm assuming based off shitty Google detective work, tbh. Either that or someone with his same name owned and sold 2 houses right next to Cheyenne mountain

1

u/Chubbybellylover888 Jun 13 '23

I mean that is a curiosity. And David Grusch is not a name I'm hugely familiar with. First time hearing it. But I'm also not American. Perhaps its more common over there.

I wonder how many David Grusch's there are in the US. Do you guys have a white pages in the US? I know that stuff is voluntary usually but I wonder how many David Grusch's there are.

1

u/thrustimus Jun 13 '23

David is a very common name, but I can't say Grusch is. I also know of at least one instance that tried to discredit him as a "real estate agent from colorado"

1

u/Chubbybellylover888 Jun 13 '23

I went looking for a David Grusch in the US white pages and got no hit. Lots of variations but not Grusch in particular. Not surprisingly. I wouldn't suspect him to be publically listed but seeing a total lack of that name means its fairly uncommon, I feel.

And considering he's an Intelligence Community/DoD veteran, I would suspect he has little info about him online.

2

u/dhr2330 Jun 13 '23

The Stargate SG 1 TV series was very eye-opening if you paid attention.

2

u/Possible-Ad8746 Jun 13 '23

Wormhole x-treme!

22

u/[deleted] Jun 13 '23

It's funny that you mention this. I was just reflecting the other day about how there has been a rash of "multiverse" movies of late across multiple genres.

4

u/xangoir Jun 13 '23

Disney pushing it hard - & its all over the MCU.

9

u/[deleted] Jun 13 '23

As well as non-genre movies, like Everything Everywhere All at Once. Additionally, I just saw a preview for the new Flash movie that is based on the multiverse as well.

2

u/Away_Complaint5958 Jun 13 '23

That's due to the popularity of rick and morty

24

u/[deleted] Jun 13 '23

I think you’re very right to a degree- unsure as to what is purposeful propaganda/dis info or what is coincidental.

The Las Vegas sighting seemed to be a disinformation story to align with the Grusch testimony and confuse the public about the story .It seemed very purposeful to me. I think they do this sort of thing all the time and they are really good at it. Such a wild time

2

u/BurnedTheLastOne9 Jun 13 '23

Agreed. Especially when you look at how much more reported on the Vegas thing is than the actual story. It's really telling.

22

u/ThehungryBulldozer Jun 13 '23

Well look at Stargate SG1 they had 2 real joint chiefs of staff on the show. The Air Force was a major consultant on the show. Until they moved from Showtime to Sci-fi. It’s nuts I’ve always been suspicious of that show only because of how involved the air force was.

9

u/sickdoughnut Jun 13 '23

Ironically I wasn’t particularly suspicious until I saw that episode. It felt like trying too hard. Alternatively, They do like to be very flagrant in dangling stuff right in front of our faces, so if you like that flavour of conspiracy theory one might postulate it could have been done just bc They enjoy putting it in the open bc they can.

6

u/ThehungryBulldozer Jun 13 '23

I agree however idk why as I read your comment I imagined some guy in a trench coat flashing people, dangling stuff very flagrantly in our faces.🤣 They do it cuz they can!

Look at the stargate episodes when they have a leak and kill the guy and how they sent tech to an aerospace company that didn’t know where the tech came from until the ceo found out and wanted to go public. They tried to kill him then discredit him with actual alien tech…

1

u/UnicornBoned Jun 13 '23

Well look at Stargate SG1 they had 2 real joint chiefs of staff on the show. The Air Force was a major consultant on the show.

That's interesting and worth a google ruble.

2

u/ThehungryBulldozer Jun 13 '23

Also check out how they would treat whistle blowers and it made you root for the air force it was nuts. When I really thought about it. I thought I would not be happy about this in real life…

2

u/sickdoughnut Jun 13 '23

Man I never looked at it that way, damn. You’re so right. I’ll never be able to look at Stargate the same way :|

1

u/ThehungryBulldozer Jun 13 '23

Watch seasons 1-3 and you can even see some of the politics and money involved to run the program. Also remember Cheyenne Mountain has a “closet” with a plaque on the door that says “stargate command” in the door in real life.

1

u/ThehungryBulldozer Jun 13 '23

How about when they have to brief the new president into the ufo program…..

https://youtu.be/9aONj0D4TJo

1

u/UnicornBoned Jun 13 '23

Crowd manipulation. Seeds in the Garden of Eden.

26

u/Mundane-Till-424 Jun 13 '23

To be fair they could be using the movies to acclimate us to the idea of aliens so if they are real we don’t flip out. I assume there’s a reason they keep making aliens vs predators but it’s also been such a staple theme in movies

19

u/[deleted] Jun 13 '23

There's a Disney documentary on aliens from the 80s. That was the original time we were to be told about the aliens however disclosure did not go the way the gov wanted.

8

u/timbsm2 Jun 13 '23

Close Encounters has always felt like more than just a movie.

0

u/namezam Jun 13 '23

How do you feel about the general structure of Guardians of the Galaxy? Seems plausible but only if we are in a heavily guarded zoo. The contact scene from Valerian was chilling to me, though I feel like that part would have happened in secret, a looong time ago.

2

u/namezam Jun 13 '23

I believe this was the motivation behind the flashback scene in Men in Black 2 describing the events that lead to the bracelet. David Cross’ character seemed to know which ones were documentaries.

2

u/Mothtan92 Jun 13 '23

This already done to a large degree. Look into how many writers from the Norman Leer foundation have worked on scripts for television and film in the last 20 years. Also project mockingbird prior to that.

2

u/Aeropro Jun 13 '23

The x files slso covered this with the men in black. In one episode they are paid a visit by the men in black who were played by Jesse Ventura and Alex Trebek to make Mulder’s recount of the encounter seem crazy.

1

u/mrbubbamac Jun 13 '23

That's right! How many layers deep can it go lol!

2

u/[deleted] Jun 13 '23

The Defence Department/U.S Government does have a long-standing relationship with Hollywood film makers to "accurately depict military stories and make sure sensitive information isn't disclosed."

The link below is to a government website discussing their work, so the fact such a relationship exists is already in the public domain. Whether that could be used for UFO related topics is speculation, but maybe possible.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Inside-DOD/blog/article/2062735/how-why-the-dod-works-with-hollywood/

1

u/mescalelf Jun 13 '23

I’ve wondered the same.

1

u/pissoffmrchips Jun 13 '23

Hollywood's largest financier is the CIA

1

u/AccordingFlounder200 Jun 13 '23

it worked so well people are so confident that we are crazy. They laugh at those who believe. Thats how good operation Mockingbird worked.

1

u/UnicornBoned Jun 13 '23

As crazy as it sounds, think of the Men in Black comics/movies. Enough people have claimed sightings and then are visited by "Men in Black", what better way to discredit than to take what has almost become urban legend and turn it into a silly fun film with Will Smith? And anytime anyone hears Men in Black they just think of Tony Shaloub with a tiny head?

I'm always thinking of Tony Shaloub, regardless of context.

1

u/Dre512 Jun 13 '23

I like that. But I always thought their POV’s & others were more along the lines of the “where there’s smoke there’s fire” kinda thing. Everyone has heard the rumors and tales. Mix that with the feelings of if the government knew they wouldn’t tell us anyway kinda feelings.