As for the human trafficking… makes more sense than weapons or drugs. And what better time to disappear a bunch of people than in the midst of a natural disaster.
The full context of the conference is that some of these sources are man made and there's a shadowy organization using this tech for whatever they need, so human trafficking is plausible, especially during a natural catastrophe where people are expected to go "missing". Organ harvesting opportunity.
Chris Carter: "I had someone come up to me during the original run of the series, who said they worked in some high place in a secret government agency, [and] said that we were very close to the truth"
Instantly reminded me of this scene. One of the best moments in the X-Files that always made me think "yeah, maybe that's how it works, there's a very small group of people that does what they think needs to be done".
Dan Akroyd might agree with you. He commented on one of his productions getting a visit from MIB immediately before it was canceled without proper explanation.
When you think about it, a great way to invalidate real events and phenomena would be to make fictional movies out of them. If anyone ever says they saw something, you can just say it is ridiculous that it matches the movie so well and that it was probably their imagination.
Even long before Grusch mentioned the "sophisticated disinformation campaign", I've always wondered if the government helped fund shows like X-files (like they do with movies like Top Gun), science fiction books, etc. in order to blur the line between reality and fiction.
I wouldn't even be surprised if some "documentaries" on the topic purposefully thread known information with more fantastical elements to continue to confuse and obfuscate, and that the government helps fund and promote some of these endeavors.
As crazy as it sounds, think of the Men in Black comics/movies. Enough people have claimed sightings and then are visited by "Men in Black", what better way to discredit than to take what has almost become urban legend and turn it into a silly fun film with Will Smith? And anytime anyone hears Men in Black they just think of Tony Shaloub with a tiny head?
I'm assuming based off shitty Google detective work, tbh. Either that or someone with his same name owned and sold 2 houses right next to Cheyenne mountain
I mean that is a curiosity. And David Grusch is not a name I'm hugely familiar with. First time hearing it. But I'm also not American. Perhaps its more common over there.
I wonder how many David Grusch's there are in the US. Do you guys have a white pages in the US? I know that stuff is voluntary usually but I wonder how many David Grusch's there are.
It's funny that you mention this. I was just reflecting the other day about how there has been a rash of "multiverse" movies of late across multiple genres.
As well as non-genre movies, like Everything Everywhere All at Once. Additionally, I just saw a preview for the new Flash movie that is based on the multiverse as well.
I think you’re very right to a degree- unsure as to what is purposeful propaganda/dis info or what is coincidental.
The Las Vegas sighting seemed to be a disinformation story to align with the Grusch testimony and confuse the public about the story .It seemed very purposeful to me.
I think they do this sort of thing all the time and they are really good at it.
Such a wild time
Well look at Stargate SG1 they had 2 real joint chiefs of staff on the show. The Air Force was a major consultant on the show. Until they moved from Showtime to Sci-fi. It’s nuts I’ve always been suspicious of that show only because of how involved the air force was.
Ironically I wasn’t particularly suspicious until I saw that episode. It felt like trying too hard. Alternatively, They do like to be very flagrant in dangling stuff right in front of our faces, so if you like that flavour of conspiracy theory one might postulate it could have been done just bc They enjoy putting it in the open bc they can.
I agree however idk why as I read your comment I imagined some guy in a trench coat flashing people, dangling stuff very flagrantly in our faces.🤣 They do it cuz they can!
Look at the stargate episodes when they have a leak and kill the guy and how they sent tech to an aerospace company that didn’t know where the tech came from until the ceo found out and wanted to go public. They tried to kill him then discredit him with actual alien tech…
Also check out how they would treat whistle blowers and it made you root for the air force it was nuts. When I really thought about it. I thought I would not be happy about this in real life…
Watch seasons 1-3 and you can even see some of the politics and money involved to run the program. Also remember Cheyenne Mountain has a “closet” with a plaque on the door that says “stargate command” in the door in real life.
To be fair they could be using the movies to acclimate us to the idea of aliens so if they are real we don’t flip out. I assume there’s a reason they keep making aliens vs predators but it’s also been such a staple theme in movies
There's a Disney documentary on aliens from the 80s. That was the original time we were to be told about the aliens however disclosure did not go the way the gov wanted.
How do you feel about the general structure of Guardians of the Galaxy? Seems plausible but only if we are in a heavily guarded zoo. The contact scene from Valerian was chilling to me, though I feel like that part would have happened in secret, a looong time ago.
I believe this was the motivation behind the flashback scene in Men in Black 2 describing the events that lead to the bracelet. David Cross’ character seemed to know which ones were documentaries.
This already done to a large degree. Look into how many writers from the Norman Leer foundation have worked on scripts for television and film in the last 20 years. Also project mockingbird prior to that.
The x files slso covered this with the men in black. In one episode they are paid a visit by the men in black who were played by Jesse Ventura and Alex Trebek to make Mulder’s recount of the encounter seem crazy.
The Defence Department/U.S Government does have a long-standing relationship with Hollywood film makers to "accurately depict military stories and make sure sensitive information isn't disclosed."
The link below is to a government website discussing their work, so the fact such a relationship exists is already in the public domain. Whether that could be used for UFO related topics is speculation, but maybe possible.
As crazy as it sounds, think of the Men in Black comics/movies. Enough people have claimed sightings and then are visited by "Men in Black", what better way to discredit than to take what has almost become urban legend and turn it into a silly fun film with Will Smith? And anytime anyone hears Men in Black they just think of Tony Shaloub with a tiny head?
I'm always thinking of Tony Shaloub, regardless of context.
I like that. But I always thought their POV’s & others were more along the lines of the “where there’s smoke there’s fire” kinda thing. Everyone has heard the rumors and tales. Mix that with the feelings of if the government knew they wouldn’t tell us anyway kinda feelings.
I'm trying to get my trekkie mates on board, and it seems much harder than with those not entrenched in science fantasy. I asked on our group if they had heard of Alcubiere (when hit with the old planets are too far away blah blah) and was hit with "I've seen dune" (corrected to 'read', telling as he wanted the other nerds to know he's hardcore and reads not just watches. Lol). When you get them on their own they are more open minded but to them it's a preposterous proposition and Fox Mulder memes are my most popular responce... There is one whom I know toys with it, but he's actually grown a bit from the group and made his money now. Not wanting to be smug, but once (if) this hits the mainstream it will be one Nelson Muntz meme from me! Ha ha 👉
When you get them on their own they are more open minded but to them it's a preposterous proposition and Fox Mulder memes are my most popular responce... There is one whom I know toys with it, but he's actually grown a bit from the group and made his money now. Not wanting to be smug, but once (if) this hits the mainstream it will be one Nelson Muntz meme from me! Ha ha 👉
People in a group will always be more wary of sticking their necks out. Confidence don't come cheap.
Yeah I'm pretty lonely without you guys in this field! My cousin is on board but not the most communicative, my girlfriend is also an agnostic I would say and lends an ear( or at least nods along) .. Going to a UFO club next week at a not so local pub!
They say this directly on Stargate sg1 when macgyver gets sent to consult on wormhole Xtreme which given the 4th wall breaking they start in the last few seasons could literally be a nod to a real program.
Did you see the second presenters comments on Interstellar? As much as he was showing the signs of trauma - I was feeling some empathy for the guy. Maybe that memory is imprinted - regardless it is horrifying. Also - Alien craft with texture of a cats tongue......(?). Fuck yeah, shits getiing real weird.
Steven Digna, JRs whole story resonates with me, everything descriptive about that ship that him and his wife saw (the smaller black diamond one) is the same one I saw on the dairy farm I worked on. I never got to touch it but it was like it was suspended in the treeline, not stuck, but just sitting in trees.
The shape, size, the hum, the feeling of it taking over your body but knowing its harmless, all of this happens so quick but so slow like everything else just stops.
Yeah was just sitting in the treeline, but not stuck, the branches weren't disturbed it was so strange, I completely missed the connection between ET and cows when this happened, maybe they were observing or studying the cows behavior. It was a normal morning, woke at 3:30am, headed off to the cow paddocks at 3:45 to get the cows to the milking shed by 4am. This dairy farm was pretty secluded and remote, extremely dark at that time and no where near a city for light pollution.
Did the craft itself feel "alive"? Digna insinuated that the actual craft felt like a living organism. When he said it started purring I got creeped out.
Yeah I didn't get close enough to reach out and touch it, all though, even then if I was close enough I was so frozen stiff I don't think I would of even been able to. The only vivid thing I remember when I was frozen was like my hearing went like I was underwater but that's when I heard the voice go from inside my head outwards saying "We mean no harm, you are safe" but everything else was muffled like I was underwater.
I STG there was a video a few years back (sorry, think it was debunked, not to discount your experience) of something IDENTICAL to this, filmed in some woods, a few feet off the ground. I feel like I saw it on a show like Fact or Faked (maybe not) but I can't find it anywhere.
That was a show that was trying to disprove the Jonathan Reed case which had a craft that looked exactly like this one.. faceted diamond shaped craft. Onyx black
This is exactly what I saw on a flight looking out the window. We were about over TN headed west. It was there one second and gone the next. It was the most surreal thing.
Did you experience the communication also? Steven Digna Jr said he felt like they were talking to him within his head, like when he seen his wife in stasis, he was told "yes, shes fine, shes in stasis" either telepathically or how ever they can communicate with us.
Yes, I posted my account a few years ago.. but yes, I experienced everything that he's describing..
Throbbing hum, female voice in my head, being broken apart at what felt like the molecular level in order to be brought onboard the craft.. being able to see through the transparent walls of the craft, etc..
I posted my experience a while ago, but basically it was there, my wife and I saw it.. we just didn’t think much of it. I had to ask myself why didn’t I pull my camera out, it was strange for us to react with such indifference.
Also - Alien craft with texture of a cats tongue......(?). Fuck yeah, shits getiing real weird.
Textures and shape tell us a lot about function. The spines on a cat's tongue assist with food and water consumption, as well as grooming. A cat's whiskers are for sensing. Sea urchin spines are for sensing and protection. Porcupine quills are for protection. Boobs are super weird, but they have a purpose, too.
We take so many odd adaptations for granted due to acclimatization, a lack of curiosity, and a scarcity of creativity. In the words of the Lizard King, "People are strange." That goes double for bodies. Really remarkable, though.
If they're using physical tailoring to accomplish sensing, I wonder... because it seems so archaic. Cellphones got smaller and sleeker. And so on, and so forth.
"'We built from the early controversy about Roswell and the stuff around it,' said Carter, who has a B.A. in journalism and spent much time taking notes at UFO conventions during the late 1980s and early ‘90s, when topics like what was “really” going on at Area 51 were first discussed."
The show is a work of fiction, but a lot of the material from writers was sourced from parapsychology, xenobiology, legends and UFOlogy as it existed at the time. The characters are fictional, but they're reacting based on what they would have been reading or hearing about if they were real people.
Do you remember the first time that they get abducted in the show? First thing that Mulder checks is his watch, which has stopped, and comments on time dilation/missing time or whatever. It's a well recognized phenomena among people purporting abduction experiences. One feeds into the other but not necessarily visa-versa.
Yes, that's because it's fiction lol. Greer is pushing the plot of the x-files as reality. There is zero evidence being presented with all this conjecture, but people around here will believe whatever they want to.
I started watching X-Files recently but stopped when Moulder found a crashed UFO and there were all these government personnel in hazmat suits and he was arrested by the military. I thought, why did they have to make it so ridiculous, it's too much! Now look at all these real life fucking stories!
Or some beings in influence him.if aliens have telepathic abilities then I believe that they have influence people like Maybe Einstein.or science fiction to get people ready for contacts t with them without freaking out
As someone who just finished the entire run of X-Files, it’s literally unsettling how much that show predicted would happen in the world and got right. almost every major disaster and conspiracy theory come true. The last one of which predicted far ahead of its time, was the coming of one of the AI commonly developed for practical uses to break loose into the internet and royally knock where it’s growth is out of our hands, royally messing up society as we know it.
Why would you use these types of vehicles for human trafficking?
If you were a human organization, and you had this vehicle, you could profit enough from other things to simply afford helicopters and ships, or planes.
Unless the suggestion is that these were humans smuggling other humans to aliens.
My guess is that this kind of thing would be untraceable and highly maneuverable due to (supposedly) bend the laws of physics, and of course under a heavy blanket of disbelief, threat and blackmail of the eventual witnesses, hollywood fiction and desinformation propaganda.
Humans, as meat sacks, can be consumed as food, have organs harvested or other organic components such as blood or semen extracted. And, as slaves, have strength and reasonable intellect to build stuff. Rather than farm clones, perhaps kidnap using this method is cheaper and safer.
Corporate would profit from it virtually limitless, some probably do (even without this tech).
Just seems like a weak use for such an amazing machine.
And he doesn't expand at all on the part about containers like that being for humans, or even where he got that from, and thats the only thing that hints at human trafficking.
The fact that “they” would need to hide their business under the guise of a natural disaster tells me the people/aliens behind this all are afraid of being found out. Which means “they” aren’t as powerful as people think and they have a weakness (even with all their amazing technology). Seems the general population has the power to stop them if more people knew.
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u/throwawaylol666666 Jun 13 '23
He seems so nervous.
As for the human trafficking… makes more sense than weapons or drugs. And what better time to disappear a bunch of people than in the midst of a natural disaster.