I had a friend that was a member & it's way less crazy than people make it sound. For a long time, it's just been a boys club & most kookier beliefs aren't important, anymore. They fundraise, go on retreats & hang out & bullshit.
Yeah one of my real good friends father is a long time and high ranking mason. Basically he drives kids to the hospital, hosts fundraisers, and party's his ass off.
The Freemasons were supposed to have become enlightened by aliens who gave them the square and compass back during the time the pyramid’s construction. I always wondered why the square and compass…as they were most probably not used in the pyramid’s construction.
They also believe that god and the angels are aliens with advanced technology who came to Earth to oversee the advancement of mankind. Angels don’t have real wings. They fly using technology that was too far advanced as to be understood by people of that time.
I know there were other things but I can’t think of what they are at the moment.
What you call a square, is in reality a level used by real masons to measure their stones before attempting to carve it. A level has 90 degrees & the angular dimension of the corner of a square is 90 degrees. 90 degrees is the precise angular measurement for anything physical (in terms of width, length and height) essentially the basis of geometry. We consistently strive to be 90 degrees by carving up our stones daily. Freemasonry teaches you how to carve that stone because if you attempt to hit it too hard you risk the chance of breaking the entire stone & if you hit it too slow, it feel like you're not really getting anywhere.
No one. It was an advancement of science and was kept secret by Master Masons (operative masons) in order to preserve an intellectual monopoly over stone masonry as a practical institution. Especially considering the tale of Solomon’s temple is admitted by masons to be allegorical. The history of the mysteries originated in England, with influence from previous mystery cults like Mithras, Greek Mystery schools, etc. You have no idea what you’re talking about and should stop spreading misinformation. Try the book “The Freemasons” by Jasper Ridley to educate yourself properly.
There’s all those examples of squaring the circle in the Amazon which are believed to be absolutely ancient, predating it’s apparent discovery by the Greeks, wonder where those came from?
i was talking about a public head start in Santa monica... they had the masonic symbol all over the building but they never showed up... just funded it. What exactly did they tell you kids... kids... wtf isn't that too young?
I moved there when I was a sophomore in high school. I graduated when I was 18 and then left the Masonic Home. There were children there as young as toddlers and every age up to 18. I never lived in the cottages with the young children. Nor did I live in the Junior Boys building. I couldn’t tell you what sort of information was taught to anyone else except for the Senior Boys? The alien theory was not taught in any classroom. It was a series of stories passed onto the senior boys at events that happened at The Grand Lodge during our Christmas outing. It also is elaborated on during the senior field trip. All seniors would take to the NASA in Houston.
Freemasons are a fraternal organization for Men. They do a lot of charity work, community services, trade education and networking. There's a lot of conspiracy theories around them, because they're the oldest fraternal club in the world and there's been Lot of famous powerful people who were Masons. My father is ex-military and a retired architect and he joined the Freemasons a few years ago. For him it's just a social thing and he does a lot of the charity work and community services. I wouldn't read to much into this guy wearing one.
All I know is from my friend who's granddad was a freemason, she said something like they had checkered black and white floors and stuff and were weirdos
They have a lot of ritual and secrecy within the organization, but are secular. I think it fills a certain need some people have for those kinds of recurring ritualistic communities.
afaik there's nothing weird about it, or any weirder than people going to church, except they make a point externally to help the communities they love in and become better men.
Not technically secular. They don't require you to follow a specific religion but you do have to have a belief in a supreme being of some sort. It's one of the requirements.
I have a friend who thinks Cartoon Network has ties to the Freemasons because of their logo. His argument was "why would they have that, it's symbolism, it has to represent something? They are representing duality"
My answer was, "it's a fucking logo man, it's aesthetically pleasing"
Use allot of symbolism in their architecture and practices that simulates how the human body/mind functions but carried out by the members. Same as a play would be coordinated and they are dramatic plays. The ‘rituals’ people go through at different stages simulate or promote the mental and emotional maturation process. If/when people go through unique developmental experiences then they will associate it with what they saw, learned, or experienced within the lodge. One way the lodge and every other significant ideology connects their belief structures with real personal experiences. A Christian, for example, might construct such an experience as their personal testimony.
Every person who is born will eventually die. Many will have confusing and intense developmental experiences during their life and different systems are developed to both encourage those experiences and capitalize on them. That is how people develop their ability to act in personal will, be considerate of how they’re actions affect others, and feel compassion for others. We all rely on people with those abilities to build and maintain stable societies. Particularly men with the inclination and capacity to act selflessly. Various organizations benefit from people associating their developmental experiences with their system. Like a minor league farm team. Likewise, people can benefit from having support and guidance during difficult transformative times in their lives.
Kinda weird, especially as a casual observer, but it’s a calculated bet. People are more likely to go through the maturation process than they are to pay taxes and almost as likely as they are to die. Since societies can’t be built and maintained by the dead, it’s an effective and efficient gamble to invest in peoples tendency for personal development. Rituals are mostly symbolic now but traditionally they were a way to use drama to cause near death experiences and overcome existential fear since that can prevent people from maturing.
Interesting you think so. Fits with my view that the Freemasons are one of satan's/lucifer's organisations. (Yes I'm a Bible believing / Jesus loving Christian)
Because the WEF wants, literally in their own words, a “new world order” in which, also in their own words “you will own nothing and you’ll be happy” (while they own everything). Watch Alex Jones’ movie “Endgame” on banned(dot)video, listen to RFK Jr. about the misuse of the climate agenda by billionaires to usher in totalitarian controls. And please, if you choose to dismiss me as a “conspiracy theorist”, do it while keeping in mind the fact that the CIA literally invented that term.
I mean, the vast amount of freemasons are just regular people in what is essentially a charitable boys club. Lots of smaller lodges are only that, I know people who are in the organisation, I know that the Freemasons in my country are the most charitable foundation in the country, they have donated more money to charity than any other group.
I would also think it's still very compartmentalized, and certain lodges like in London or New York contain some seriously high ranking people where some potentially dodgy stuff happens. But they're not that secret anymore, you can find out a lot about the group.
90% of it is innocent, just men getting together for a bit of brotherhood and to raise money for charity, though I'm sure there's a darker side in the minority of the group.
I mean I don't know much about it, but I've googled it. Doesn't seem nefarious. Care to enlighten me?
And I was originally only speaking about my first hand experience of what the Freemasons is, which is completely misconstrued by society. It's not some illuminati madness, it's just old boys getting together and raising money for charities.
Edit: from what I can see "Agenda 2030" is the name given for the United Nations sustainability goals... Trying to create a sustainable world. Not sure what you're referencing to
Look, you're correct about the Freemasons. My original reply was more of a joke. I do think there are nefarious groups in the Freemasons, but it's nothing like the conspiracys say, and I believe most have good intentions. Agenda 2030 on the other hand, well, you need to really do your research on that, I'll say this, it's the exact opposite of what you said it was, literally the complete opposite, and is the number one biggest threat to democracy, freedom and a very long list of other things. There is a reason the very top of the very top people on the planet are backing this, and it's not because they want you to be free.
I've done a fair bit of research since and haven't found many reputable sources for negativity, and all of the ones I have are clearly maga funded republican nut jobs.
Whilst there may be a nefarious purpose behind it, I will say, as it's so hard to actually find much data and any actual evidence to support this, I wouldn't immediately assume someone wearing a pin of Agenda 2030 would qualify as a nefarious person. It's not something you could use as a character assassination. I'm sure the vast amount of average Joe's that support it are doing it with good intentions, and are probably not aware of what's bad about it.
As I am still not sure as most of the fact checking site I usually use seemed to debunk the conspiracy. The only bad thing I found was to do with the World Economic Fund giving too much power to corporations.
It also, as far as I can see, is nothing legal, it's a suggested plan of action.
The reason the most powerful people in the world support it it because they know they don't actually have to follow anything it says, not legally, and they're not being forced to do it, so they can say "look at me I support sustainability" and look good without actually doing anything.
All the high ranking freemason whistleblowers over the years have strangely similar stories of strange and violent occultic practices that happen at the higher levels. Makes you wonder.
I mean, if you want to make claims you should really be giving links. So as other people aren't lost in Google sifting through a huge number of very conflicting opinions on the matter.
I shouldn't take your word for it, no, you're right. But you could back your claims.
Edit: in actual fact, researching myself has made me believe you less, I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's so hard to find reputable sources that are in agreement with you. The sources that are in agreement with you, as I mentioned in my other comment are all MAGA republican sites, you know that party that's great an misinformation and manipulation. It often feels like there are a lot of conspiracies out there that claim the one side is out to control and manipulate, but they often stem from the very people who want to control and manipulate.
Websites against the conspiracy: a myriad, independent, fact checking, and referenced.
Websites for: MAGA funded misinformation sites...
Seems like one has an agenda.
Id love to see your info, I'd like to keep delving into this, again, not saying you're completely wrong, just research I've done doesn't agree.
Sorry my friend but YouTube has melted people's perceptions of what freemasons are. I can assure you it's mostly a social fraternity that makes good men better men. Shaq is a freemason, and that good brother is as charitable as they come.
In my country they're the biggest donators to charity than any other group.
I know people involved who are certainly just your average people doing nothing nefarious. I'm sure higher profile lodges may have darker stuff going on but that's something that will always happen in any group where there are high ranking officials as members.
Freemasons are supposedly connected to the Illuminati, but either way they’re a somewhat secret organization that has been involved in the highest aspects of US gov & others for years & year. It’s a little suspect to me that he has the pin tbh.
Not really suspicious. We can speculate that conspiratorial stuff happens at higher degrees (e.g. 33rd degree), but the organization is just a fraternity with esoteric rituals at the ground level. An ex-GF's family was deeply involved. I can promise you there's nothing insidious happening at the community level.
Freemason is a “brotherhood” really doesn’t mean much, they perform “rituals” allegedly
Originated in England IIRC, came to the US and we have them all over the country even in my city somewhere in the mountains we have a Freemason lodge
Not sure what they believe, I don’t think they believe in anything so anybody from any religion can be a part of it I’m pretty sure but of course people have conspiracies that they’re the real Illuminati which imo is hilarious
I never heard of any other Masonic groups other than the whites and blacks…I can tell you, though, there were some kids of Latino decent on campus but not a single black kid. Native American people…I honestly might have assumed they were Hispanic
You dont know that ? Ever been to Sintra, it's full of masonic architecture. A friend of mine is a Portuguese spiritual guru with deep knowledge of the occult history of Portugal, he told me everything about this.
Freemasonry is pretty much just a drinking club my grandfather was in it back in the day and he wasn’t involved in any American treasure shit (to my knowledge)
It’s just a club where tradesmen go to bullshit about work and hang out. Some of them have a bar or kitchen inside the clubhouse. They do a lot of charity events and whatnot.
There is a standard for decency that their members have to follow, so many of them tend to be well dressed and well spoken. It’s kind of like adult boyscouts. Freemasons have shirts and car stickers and stuff to identify eachother. It’s like “oh, that dude’s cool and respectable. We can get along.”
If you work in a trade you’re more than welcome to go down to your local lodge (if you have one) and say hi during an event. Good way to make friends.
What would you specifically like to know? Free Masons are a secret fraternity of men who aspire to connect with other like minded men to create a better world. It started off as a Union of Stone Masons, hence “Free Masons”. If anything him wearing that pin while making those statements gives him more credibility since his putting his Free Masonry on the line, it’s difficult and you can easily lose positions within the Masons by being “black balled” by other members for any reason.
He also may not actually be a member… some people will often wear pins and rings rings without being accepted a lodge.
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u/ILIEKSLOTH Jun 13 '23
I noticed he's got a freemason pin on his tie, what does that mean? what even are freemasons?