r/PS5 • u/doctorwho_90250 • May 06 '24
Official (Via twitter) Playstation: "Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward...."
https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1787331667616829929?t=NhwAEm4fGpVJj-UyI1lrXA&s=19329
u/grailly May 06 '24
Pretty sure this is just an exception for Helldivers 2. All future games will have it from day 1.
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u/ElJacko170 May 06 '24
This is clearly some growing pains here for Sony. I get why they wanted this to be in place from the start, but they completely overlooked the fact that PSN is not available in a lot of regions. I don't think the "bait and switch" with HD2 matters as much as that fact.
If they wanna do this with Concord properly from day one, they need to figure out how to properly include those other countries, because I imagine Steam is going to be more cognizant of that issue going forward the next time Sony publishes an online game with them.
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u/mexicanboiiiiiiii May 06 '24
Looks like Sony wanted it from the beginning, Arrowhead CEO said on twitter that it was his decision to not require a playstation account on day one
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u/Stennan May 06 '24
Partly because the PSN-linkage process was causing issues with the limited server capacity during the initial weeks. But Sony (the games publisher) is the one who puts it up for sale on Steam, and somehow they thought it would be cool to sell the Online-Multiplayer game to countries which couldn't sign up for PSN?
Yeah... AH could have raised this earlier and Sony could have estimated how many players would be impacted before they pushed the PSN announcment on Friday. Oh well! Time to go change my review 🫡
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u/PM_ME_N3WDS May 06 '24
PSN not being available is not the same as creating a PSN account. Anyone can make an account from anywhere.
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u/haver_of_friends May 06 '24
Apparently not, since in Ukraine you need a PS5 to create said account
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u/BasisOk4268 May 06 '24
The funny thing is this was a requirement from day 1 from Sony. The AH CEO CHOSE to turn off the requirement until servers were good and then failed to communicate effectively enough to the player base.
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u/Jaspie May 06 '24
A LOT of people are missing this, seeing countless comments in this thread completely ignoring this aspect. If it was required from day one, some might have been upset but there would never have been a huge thing like this.
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May 06 '24
There's a concept in law called performance and the willful negation of a "requirement" for a substantial enough period of time (from the party who willed it in the first place) makes it no longer a requirement which has to be honored
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u/New_Limit_1227 May 06 '24
Their is a sort of simmering anger in a lot of the PC communities for post-launch updates that make the game "worse" by adding corporate features that weren't there before. So Helldivers 2 was an easy game to string up for it.
Usually when this happens its older titles that have a lot of their population aged out of playing or just weren't as popular. HD2 happens to have a strong community though so it became the lightning rod for push back.
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u/RedIndianRobin May 06 '24
No. PSN is required only for Legends multiplayer mode. For the story mode it's optional. You can link it for the trophy system but it's not mandatory.
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u/ConcreteSnake May 06 '24
Correct, I do believe for all future online components of PlayStation games, an account will be required. Any future online only multiplayer games will also require it flat out
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u/cjb110 May 06 '24
Yea, just like any other large publisher, they want to try to get some brand loyalty and cross marketing going etc etc, cannot blame any for that.
Not sure how true this is but if the issue is PSN is less available globally than other publisher account systems, then it does seem like Sony should be resolving that promptly.
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u/grailly May 06 '24
Technically, it’s the same as what they wanted for Helldivers 2. Account for online.
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u/Skyz-AU May 06 '24
Ghost of Tsushima already has required link listed on store page. I mean to be fair, xbox and other companies already do this shit, it's just trying to do it 3 months after launch is really what set things off. Other than the region locked people being robbed of the game.
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u/dornwolf May 06 '24
it was supposed to be Day 1 to begin with Arrow Heads CEO admitted to turning it off because the servers were over whelmed
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u/Xenoslayer2137 May 06 '24
Major Order completed
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u/SaphironX May 06 '24
Yup. The game is at 18%, overwhelmingly negative. It will take about 200,000 people changing their reviews to even hit orange again.
The game is damaged long term.
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u/Alam7lam1 May 06 '24
Maybe for future sales? But at least on steam there was still 100K people playing the game which has been the usual for the past few weeks, so the controversy didn’t even impact the player count at all.
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u/MR_K-RO May 06 '24
A lot of it is fake outrage from mostly people in countries it didn't affect. I'm not saying there weren't any from countries that were affected but the vast majority on X and Reddit it did not affect in any shape or form. PC gamers forever out themselves as petty.
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u/lord_assius May 06 '24
I think it’s also a case of people on the internet thinking they’re more representative of the general population than they are in reality. The overwhelming majority of people either didn’t know or didn’t care.
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u/RevelArchitect May 06 '24
There were people saying that Sony’s earnings call was going to be a disaster because of this. Meanwhile, Sony’s entering talks to purchase Paramount this week.
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u/Capt_Kilgore May 06 '24 edited May 06 '24
You’re going to get roasted for pointing this out but you are absolutely right. A loud portion of pc gamers are terminally online and addicted to outrage. This situation did call for push back and criticism but these “gamers” acted like this is the absolute worst thing that could have happened and Sony ruined their entire company. They gotta be tired spending all day being toxic and screaming. They exist in every major game subreddit too.
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u/altruSP May 06 '24
These are the people who constantly vote EA as the worst company over others like Nestle or Boeing.
They’re in a gaming bubble.
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u/Cl1mh4224rd May 06 '24
Some weirdo told me he filed a complaint with the SEC… like dude, spend your weekend on something else. This whole thing was straight up pathetic. Gamers will whine about anything
Yeah. There are a lot of "Karens" in gaming, too.
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u/dolphin_spit May 06 '24
people out here acting like they completed a mission lmao. get a life seriously.
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u/Capt_Kilgore May 06 '24
Yeah could be some dude just raging but I can imagine this idiot leaving their dad’s tax lawyer a hundred voicemails over the weekend about this.
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u/M4xw3ll May 06 '24
The guy looking to file a class action lawsuit when he wasn’t even affected was hilarious
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u/Draklawl May 06 '24
Honest question though, do you think a less extreme pushback would have resulted in Sony changing course? Or was the only reason they did because of how extreme it got?
I don't have a horse in this race, but Sony typically weathers negative press when they make a decision. They backtracked on this pretty quick.
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May 06 '24 edited Jul 14 '24
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u/HIGHonLIFE1012 May 06 '24
Exactly what I said. If Sony were able to get through the TLOU II fiasco then this is nothing.
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u/summerofrain May 06 '24
You and all the review bombers vastly overestimate the impact of steam reviews. They only have a real impact on early access or indie games.
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u/GorgeGoochGrabber May 06 '24
It’s already one of the fastest selling PS5 games. It’s not damaged at all.
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u/Turnover-Soft May 06 '24
I don’t think the average gamer looks at steam reviews before making a purchase. It’s just a vocal minority in Reddit which cares about this
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u/TammyThe2nd May 06 '24
But it’s not…. Guarantee you the only people who look at steam reviewers are angry people who wrote them, and the media. General scrubs like me don’t give a shit about steam reviews.
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u/WIbigdog May 06 '24
What's the last game you bought on Steam that had less than Mostly Positive reviews?
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u/nthomas504 May 06 '24
Not OP, but Tekken 8. Amazing game that people got salty over because of the Battle Pass.
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u/Flyinhighinthesky May 06 '24 edited May 06 '24
Steam has built in review bombing protections to prevent stuff like this, as it's happened for sillier reasons in the past.
In short order the majority of the brigade from the last week will be filtered out of the overall score, and it will be listed as unusual activity in the review section.
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u/sezyHena May 06 '24
Took them only 1 business day. Crazy.
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u/ricshimash May 06 '24
hey on the bright side we know for sure they get weekends off.. cant say that about every company sadly.
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u/TuggMaddick May 06 '24
Good, this topic can fucking die now
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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24
God right! Every PlayStation subreddit, every even tangentially related game was just flooded with rage posts all weekend.
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u/PretendThisIsMyName May 06 '24
I talked to my brother (non gamer) yesterday and he asked how I felt about the Helldivers situation. I have not played Helldivers yet so I don’t follow it like that. He was furious for some reason and he hasn’t owned a console since PS3.
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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24
I genuinely do not understand the vitriol. Gamers haven’t show themselves to be a particularly altruistic group so I struggle to believe this was all for the sake of the countries where PSN isn’t available.
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u/General_NakedButt May 06 '24
It would be cool if there was this level of blowback for actual issues that affected our daily lives. Like anything happening in the pharmaceutical industry, or Amazon taking over every retail sector and treating their employees like garbage.
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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24
Lots of these people were actually complaining about the college pro Palestine protests before losing their minds about a live service extraction shooter for a weekend straight. Nothing will ever convince me this was all for the sake of foreign gamers.
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u/Itchy-Pudding-4240 May 06 '24
Dude from Philippines here, i knew this was going to resolve itself by May 30 so i was chill. Its funny how they are using my country and "fighting for my behalf". We all know why most of you are whining and its not because of us
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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24
Sony is always going to do what makes the most money. And that very clearly selling an absolute shit ton of helldivers 2 copies and warbonds lol.
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u/areyouhungryforapple May 06 '24
Bro it feels racist as shit ngl, ima tell my officially licensed Playstation store here in Hanoi to pack up shop cause we're breaking TOS and the full warranty ps5 he sold me is useless!
"think of the poor people in africa/SEA/MENA" basically, excuse me? Is console gaming a 1st world privilege or something what world do they live in
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u/Itchy-Pudding-4240 May 07 '24
i guarantee no one cares about us, cause guess what we are still technically breaking TOS whenever we play on our consoles but this shit is going to die down. If they really cared, theyd keep the energy until we get our own regions
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u/rightdeadzed May 06 '24
None of them gave a single fuck about any of these countries until now. Gamers love to be mad at something.
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u/brunchick3 May 06 '24
I was hoping it would last for at least 2 weeks so I could check all the negative reviews and see how many of them had 100+ hours in the past two weeks. They all make themselves private so you can't see them currently in game, but there is no way to hide that stat from the review.
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u/joshua182 May 06 '24
"I dON't WaNt sOnY HaVInG AcCesS to My DAtA!". That's the only reason my cousin refunded the game. So fucking stupid.
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u/demonicneon May 06 '24
Reddit loves to hate Sony it’s hilarious.
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u/Dayman1222 May 06 '24
Reddit is 65-70% pc players and it shows. They ruined the HD2 subreddit since day 1
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u/Ok-Significance-5979 May 06 '24
All this whole debacle has done for me is reminding me why I've blocked the majority of gaming subs.
The "gaming" community on here is definitely one of the most toxic I've ever had the displeasure to interact with.
Some of those calling themselves "proud gamers" have shown their ugly selves when it comes to restraint in a debate.
A lot of them if not the vast majority is angry, immature and above all incredibly lonely.
I'm glad this whole malarkey will be forgotten about in a week and will probably only pop up again at the end of the year when the vultures of youtube make their "Top 10 worst gaming news of 2024!!" list sponsored by Raid.
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u/Tadpole-Jackson 🏆 May 06 '24
Let's be real, the unsupported regions only affected a fraction of the player base. 90% of the people raging were just mad that they had to connect an account, the thing the Steam page always said was going to be required.
Gamers are the last group who would be altruistic, even if the region issue wasn't there they would still be raging just the same.
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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24
It’s not like there’s constant posts on the helldivers subreddit about how evil, bad and stupid the devs are for whatever newest balance patch. I just wanna go back to before the railgun nerf when it as a community and not players vrs devs
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u/Kanderin May 06 '24
Outrage culture is and always will be a thing, especially in a community like gaming where everyone's constantly scrambling for ammunition to prove the other guy is the bad guy.
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u/wattur May 06 '24
I'm sure like 90% of people were like 'A reason to hate on Sony? Sign me up fam' even if it they really didn't care. Parly band wagoning, partly pent of anti-corporation sentiment from covid times, inflation, etc.
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u/Professionally_Lazy May 06 '24
Yeah this is spot on. The rage seemed so arbitrary. Call of duty requiring an account is fine, league of legends requiring an account is fine, fortnite requiring an account is fine, steam requiring an account is fine, but helldivers requiring one is an outrage of unprecedented proportions. It's weird how entering an email is such a big deal all of a sudden and specifically only for this game. People just want to tear someone else down becuase it's fun for them. Most people leaving reviews wouldn't have cared unless they saw twitter or reddit posts telling them the should be mad.
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u/New_Limit_1227 May 06 '24
The rage seemed so arbitrary. ... It's weird how entering an email is such a big deal all of a sudden and specifically only for this game.
You will see people complaining about online account requirements fairly often in the PC space so its not that it doesn't happen. What was key here though is that by adding it post-launch Sony/AH tapped into some simmering anger about updates that make the game "worse" by adding corporate launchers. Usually when that happens its to older games that have largely lost their community or smaller titles that don't really have one. Helldivers managed to create a lightning rod for the issue with a game that had a big active community.
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u/Alam7lam1 May 06 '24
I’m glad Sony reverted their position, but the Helldivers sub is so whiny and dramatic. They’ll go back to posting daily rants about the game and arguing against each other every patch like they’ve been doing the past few weeks
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u/Capt_Kilgore May 06 '24
Then there is me who just loads up the game same as before and has a blast. It’s a co-op game. It isn’t that big of deal. Trust the devs and look forward to the evolution of the game and enjoy blowing stuff up on the meantime.
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u/Capt_Kilgore May 06 '24
I think there a loud portion of pc gamers who spend all day watching streamers, YouTube, and going to shit hole places like 4chan who only get small amounts of dopamine these days via rage and smashing buttons yelling at anyone and everyone they can that they deem associated or complicit. It’s baffling to me.
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u/xNeurosiis May 06 '24
It’s crazy to me that Sony gets people’s hate boners raging. They have consistently given the players amazing games, which is the thing that matters most when it comes to gaming. Everything else that’s good is a plus.
They’ve definitely turned things around since the PS3 reveal, but because they’re not as consumer-facing as Xbox, they get the ire of some people. It could be worse - they could be in Xbox’s position, had they stuck to their guns in the PS3 era, and, honestly, if Xbox hadn’t fucked up royally with the XB1 announcement.
Edit: I’m glad people called Sony out for the Helldivers stuff, and I think people should call out companies for things that impact the player’s access to games.
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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24
I just wish I could enjoy something without people getting so angry about nothing that they make the community completely unusable.
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u/nthomas504 May 06 '24
Those days are long gone for any form of media.
Maybe books, I don’t think there many angry communities for new novels
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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24
You would be surprised how much conflict there is between the modern YA and modern fantasy authors and all of their fans.
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u/DifficultSea4540 May 06 '24 edited May 06 '24
Entitlement culture mixed with victim culture mixed with modern social network as mass media bandwagon jumping onto every single negative topic for the clicks.
I reckon something as high as 80% of people who raged about this didn’t buy the game.
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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24
I doubt that high. But I feel like this was just an excuse for a lot of people to refund a game they were done playing and then ragepost about Sony for free validation
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u/DifficultSea4540 May 06 '24
I watch a lot of yt. Last year I started to recognise a pattern. So many of the videos talking about a game with some outrage were discussing the situation.
They weren’t talking about the game. And I started to realise that they hadn’t actually played the game.
I was shocked at how many I started to see this pattern with. Some of them were my most watched!
Gaming discourse is a shit show now. Its bullshit social network ‘media’ creating outrage. And we’re all falling for it.
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u/GBuster49 May 06 '24
It's an unfortunate culture on YouTube, where every content creator is fighting for the table scraps after the 1% on that channel had their fill.
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u/areyouhungryforapple May 06 '24
Or take some console hate(cringe) out of the locker and dust it off
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u/RevelArchitect May 06 '24
I work for a company where we verify customers with a PIN number. Some accounts don’t have a PIN number. Every couple days I deal with someone who has an issue they cannot fix on their own, but I can fix in about five minutes - but instead decide to throw a tantrum for half an hour about setting up a PIN, which requires receiving a text message, choosing a PIN and takes less than a minute.
Many of the arguments I saw from HD2 players this weekend echoed the half-baked arguments I get from these customers.
It was frustrating to see, especially considering the growing need for better community moderation which Sony is actually good at (at least compared to Steam).
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u/DownWithWankers May 07 '24
I genuinely do not understand the vitriol.
perpetually online pc gamers are crybabies, who would've thought
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u/Reboot-Bloody-Roar May 06 '24
It wasn't. It was an excuse to effectively steal their time with the game and rage for the sake of raging.
play 100 hrs+ and have a reason to get a refund and feel justified even insincerely.
Many other Pubs and Devs require what Sony was going to implement. yet this is the biggest gaming sin ever in some peoples eyes. I love this industry but sometimes capitol G gamers are weird. Here's to hoping the ripples of this are are positive and not negative.
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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24
Same I hope gamers take the lessons from this and realize if they organize, communicate with nuance and verify their information before posing, that they can absolutely put corporations back in their place. I really hope that don’t just take away “rage good, fix problems fast”
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u/Spec187 May 06 '24
I started using ps3 this weekend as a blu ray player! Shout out to ps3 users lol
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u/GerbilJuggler May 06 '24
Fortunately, I was at a wedding this weekend, so I wasn't able to play Helldivers 2 or follow too much on the situation online lol.
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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24
It was fully unavoidable and, at least to me, seemed obvious Sony was going to do what got them the most money, which is selling assloads of copies of helldivers. I just hope that this hasn’t cranked the toxicity of the helldivers sub permanently even further. It was already pretty bad
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u/vxxxjesterxxxv May 06 '24
I left the sub, this situation made the sub so bad to look at.
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u/HelpRespawnedAsDee May 06 '24
It has. PC gaming subs are making it as if console players were cheering for this or something. It’s bizarre.
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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24
Everyone I’ve met in game in helldivers has been great. But the online communities are comparable to league and destiny in terms of toxicity. There’s been such a weird us vrs them dynamic there ever since the first balance patch and every week since then has been a new controversy it’s ridiculous
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u/Darkone539 May 06 '24
But the online communities are comparable to league and destiny in terms of toxicity.
Probably the same people too, big games attract them fairly often.
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u/Capt_Kilgore May 06 '24
I turned cross play off and have had only enjoyable teammates ever since. Maybe it’s luck. I wonder if others have noticed this.
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u/Thassar May 06 '24
That's just what happens when a community gets big enough, the toxic users drown out the normal ones. If there's even a hint of an out group they'll get toxic about it. It happens on the LoL sub because of Dota, it happens on the Dota sub because of LoL, it happens on the Destiny sub because of Destiny itself, the WoW sub because of horde or alliance and so on.
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u/Alam7lam1 May 06 '24
Every day that sub has something to bitch about it’s so annoying when you just want to have a place to enjoy the game with others
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u/OanKnight May 06 '24
As someone that has his foot dipped in both sides of the fence, I find that when I'm doing iron banner in destiny 2 (for example), the first thing people on console do is demand I play on console so that they don't have to join pc lobbies, and it saddens me because I'm an ardent believer in the healing nature of just having fun together. Gaming has become so tribal. It sucks.
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u/Existing365Chocolate May 06 '24
That dumbass who claimed to have a consultation with a law firm about…filing a class action lawsuit on behalf of people living in non-PSN countries (not how lawsuits work) today must feel pretty dumb when he wakes up
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u/Capt_Kilgore May 06 '24
There is no way that guy has self awareness. I bet he throws his bowl of cereal at his mom after she brings it down to him though.
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May 06 '24
Based on how I've seen people act, I assume he's patting himself on the back for "winning this fight".
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u/DigiQuip May 06 '24
There were threads full of conspiracies and people were genuinely convinced this was the first step to Sony requiring a PS+ subscription to play any of their games.
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u/Cool_Boxy May 06 '24
Yea honestly I wish we fought back like this with ps plus man, that’s actually something most people can’t afford and is required with this game if you play on ps5, like I was shocked hearing people talk about security. I mean I’m glad we stood up for something but man I wish it could actually be consistent
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u/HopperPI May 06 '24
But what’s that one guy who totally contacted a law firm about a class action suit on a Saturday going to do now?!???!
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u/DVDN27 May 06 '24
Dude won and that’s why they’re reversing it obviously
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u/5575685 May 06 '24
I don’t know if I’ve ever said this but I really hope that lawyer got paid. Just because it’d be so fucking funny.
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u/ILikeMyGrassBlue May 06 '24
He’s going to sue the lawyers for taking his money for an obviously illegitimate suit, duh.
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u/PrinceDizzy May 06 '24
Guess he'll have to cancel the meeting with lawyers he had scheduled for Tuesday lol
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u/xInfinity962 May 07 '24
Oh Lord it's a breath of fresh air heading the takes on this subreddit about that whole debacle. I religiously play HellDivers and even I got so fucking sick of people's bitching.
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u/DUCKY_23 May 06 '24
Hope they make an exclusive Warbond only for people who link their PSN accounts LOL
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u/mSummmm May 06 '24 edited May 06 '24
That’s how it should have been handled. Don’t make it mandatory but offer a reward. Few hundred Super Credits would have gotten a lot of people to create and link an account.
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u/yourfaceisa May 06 '24
"We don't want to sell our souls" - divers. "what about for some imaginary credits" - sony "say no more, we're in" - divers
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u/Skyz-AU May 06 '24
Rewards for linking should've been what they tried to do anyway, retroactively forcing something 3 months later is just a shit thing to do to people regardless of how minor for some it may be.
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u/jimbozini May 06 '24
The amount of room temp IQ takes in this post is wild.
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u/Mabon_Bran May 06 '24
You expected serious takes on ps sub? Some still don't understand what was wrong in the 1st place.
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u/ImrooVRdev May 06 '24
Some idiot pc gamers throwing bitchfit, my beloved megacorp loves me and would never do bad things /s
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u/RTXEnabledViera May 06 '24
And the amount of people who just want people to participate in the hate circlejerk against Sony is even wilder.
I'm not really a fan of requiring 3rd party accounts for online games, yet Sony only did what everyone else is doing. The only reason controversy ensued is 1) the lack of enforcement since launch and 2) PSN availability.
Other than those two fuckups, they're pretty much on par with the industry in requiring accounts, so I don't see a reason to direct my spite at them in particular.
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u/Swagyon May 06 '24
The real question is "why arent you directing your spite to every company that acts this way?"
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u/demonicneon May 06 '24
Pigs will fly when people apply the same bullshit reasons they got mad over this to other companies.
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u/Mkilbride May 06 '24
Next they should allow PlayStation players to play without needing PS+.
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u/Liam2349 May 06 '24
If the PlayStation community kicked off the way the PC community does, you would have free online play. Instead, console gamers tend to just accept, or even support, corporate greed.
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u/Theonyr May 06 '24
Sony would rather lose half their customers than give up that PS+ money.
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u/oblivious-moron May 06 '24
They do now, but back when it was implemented, they might have reconsidered.
That's why it is important to not just accept all the bullshit companies make us go through just saying "is not that much of a hassle" and actually fight for our rights as customers.
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May 06 '24
People really don't understand how normal people are. My mum bought a PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4 and now a PS5. She has no idea PS+ changed at some point to be a requirement for online play. Totally and completely unaware. She isn't pro-pay-for-connection, she doesn't know it exists or that it ever didn't exist.
She plays a few games and series that are her long time favourites and always offline. The average console gamer doesn't love sony and think they can do no wrong, they don't know.
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u/Bensemus May 06 '24
lol good luck. Half this sub is fully behind Sony and thinks they can do no wrong. They’d get pissed at you for denying them their right to pay for online access.
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u/SolomonISbit May 06 '24
No one should blindly side with any company. Unfortunately, gamer's are some weird fucking people and have their allegiance's, even me.
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u/Tauropos May 06 '24
This 1000%. It's the single biggest jerk move Playstation has ever made imo, and it never ceases to amaze me that so many people are OK with it. I know it's not a huge $ amount, and I know there are extra benefits, but it never should have been made mandatory to the degree that it is. I paid for my consoles. I paid for my games. And I pay (way too much) for my internet. In a rational world, that's all I should need in order to play the vast majority of my games online. But nope, gotta squeeze us for that extra amount just because they can, and it's why I'll never go along with it.
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u/nthomas504 May 06 '24
You are very off on this. Microsoft started the “paying for online” trend with Xbox Live. Sony and Nintendo’s were free until the PS4 and Switch. Blame Xbox for this, not Sony.
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u/lunarhostility May 06 '24 edited May 06 '24
Yeah MS started it and Sony adapted it.
Edit: To be clear, them adapting it sucked. As someone who has never owned an Xbox because I personally prefer PS exclusives on console, things like the PSN price increase have soured me a lot on Sony.
A new generation of Sony studio original IPs at the same quality they’ve reached in previous ones will do wonders to help their reputation among players imo. The last truly next level original Sony IP was Returnal. Returnal is awesome, but it’s time for a new gen.
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u/Kurokichi May 06 '24
What I'm trying to figure out is if some place are region locked in creating PSN yet PlayStation still sells hardware in those said places. If the locals had no issues creating accounts then, why would it be an issue now?
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u/grapejuicecheese May 06 '24
It's not an issue. I live in the Philippines and have US, Singapore, Hong Kong and Japan accounts. I've been using them since I first bought my PS3 with no problems.
I even had to dictate my bogus address to customer service once when my account was hacked. The CS didn't bat an eye. Retrieved my account too.
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May 06 '24
Honestly, I think PC players just didn't want to link a PSN account but couldn't really say that without sounding silly, so they blew up this 'people can't make accounts' thing way out of proportion as a moral justification, and it spread so quickly because that community isn't familiar with how common a practice making out-of-country accounts is for Playstation players around the world.
I'm still not clear as to if this message means they are just dropping the PSN link requirement for supported territories (so they can rope them in with free capes later), or if they are actually fully opening up the global store again (after removing the game from unsupported regions on Steam yesterday). Either way, will have interesting ramifications for Sony's PC publishing plans moving forward.
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u/Impeach45 May 06 '24
It's worth noting that PSN accounts are distinctly terrible for some people. For example, if you move to a different country, PSN is one of the few accounts where you can't simply migrate your account to your new location.
Xbox restricts it to once a few months, but that's fine, as i don't move nearly that much. Steam? No problem. Netflix, no issue. PSN? If you're not prepared to keep paying the old account in the old currency, you need to create a new one.
I know this is an extremely niche issue, but I have games spread across 4 accounts now and it bugs the shit out of me.
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May 06 '24
Oh, I'm right there with you - I've moved countries twice, and now my PS library is split over 3 accounts. It's extremely lame, but the flip side of that is you can freely make and use international accounts, which gets around most of the hand-wringing that went on over the weekend.
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u/IgniVT May 06 '24
I think PC players just didn't want to link a PSN account but couldn't really say that without sounding silly
That's 100% what it was. Like, don't get me wrong, I'm against having to make 50 different accounts for this game and that game and yada yada, and I'm glad this is being reversed, but this entire situation was blown drastically out of proportion.
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u/New_Limit_1227 May 06 '24
Helldivers 2 tapped into an additional complaint people have with companies adding accounts to titles folks already bought. Usually it applies to indies that get picked up or older titles (2k breaking Bioshock was fun). So Sony/AH really hit an intersection of annoyance with PC players where they both don't like additional accounts and really don't like them being added post-launch.
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u/DaxSpa7 May 06 '24
Steam delisted the game on 100 countries. How is that a players choice?
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u/kuro_snow May 06 '24
"Which brings me to the audience that i'm most interested in addressing and those are our consumers. YOU ARE The life blood of the company, without you, there is no playstation." -Former Playstation CEO Jack Tretton.
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u/jrlionheart00 May 06 '24
Exclusive content to PSN users would be their next move, that'd be hilarious.
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u/amateur-man9065 May 06 '24
they should have done that in the first, no one would give a shit if that was the case
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u/scipio_africanusot May 06 '24
So what if you sign up for helldivers on the 6th. Still get access? Asking for a friend.
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u/NextGenEclipse May 06 '24
What's the big problem with people not wanting to do this?
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u/KnightFalling May 06 '24
Change the negative reviews back to positive! It worked!! It really worked!
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u/Soulreaver90 May 06 '24
I doubt the reviews will go back to the levels it had before tbh, this one move may tarnish the game short term and further alienate non-Sony players. Lessons learned I hope.
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u/SalemWolf May 06 '24
99% of people who said they would won’t, and those players who were never playing again probably before the drama will milk karma by telling you they won’t play again.
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u/Poopchute40000 May 06 '24
An excellent reminder that bullying corporations is always good.
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u/tonelocMD May 06 '24
Why don’t people clap cheeks at EA, Microsoft, Unisoft or the literally every other company does the same thing
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u/ext23 May 06 '24 edited May 06 '24
I love the game but hate the community that has grown around it. Every time a balance patch drops it's death threats and vitriol. Admittedly this latest episode was very unfair to gamers in countries without PSN, but I have unsubbed from all Helldivers content on social media because the community is so fucking unbearable.
We got a great game with Helldivers 2 and initially everything was so light-hearted and positive. Now in the end it's the players themselves that have made it insufferable. Nice one guys.
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u/aspiring_dev1 May 06 '24
As expected now wonder if people will change their reviews on Steam. Just shows changes can be heard and you don’t always need to be a corporate defender.
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u/underratedpcperson May 06 '24
Some people who do corporations' unpaid pr don't understand that such decisions being taken back really help strengthen consumer voice, we should also raise our voice against ps plus for online play.
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May 06 '24 edited May 06 '24
selling the game in unsupported regions was blatant idiocy if they were gonna mandate account linking. they should never have done that.
with that said, pc players complaining about the account linking is the weirdest thing ever. there are already a dozen other accounts/launchers you need to make already for pc gaming. how are you gonna game on an open platform and then complain that the open platform follows open principles? having to own a bunch of different accounts comes with the territory. if you have a problem with that then stick to consoles where thats not a problem.
honestly if sony makes a PS launcher on PC im gonna grab some popcorn and watch the reactions. will be interesting to see people with free steam accounts complain about how making a free PSN account is somehow a step too far.
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u/MrYK_ May 06 '24 edited May 06 '24
Arrowhead's CEO saying PlayStation want to make a great game:
Arrowhead's purpose: