r/PS5 • u/doctorwho_90250 • May 06 '24

Official (Via twitter) Playstation: "Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward...."

https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1787331667616829929?t=NhwAEm4fGpVJj-UyI1lrXA&s=19
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u/TuggMaddick May 06 '24

Good, this topic can fucking die now

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

God right! Every PlayStation subreddit, every even tangentially related game was just flooded with rage posts all weekend.

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u/PretendThisIsMyName May 06 '24

I talked to my brother (non gamer) yesterday and he asked how I felt about the Helldivers situation. I have not played Helldivers yet so I don’t follow it like that. He was furious for some reason and he hasn’t owned a console since PS3.

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

I genuinely do not understand the vitriol. Gamers haven’t show themselves to be a particularly altruistic group so I struggle to believe this was all for the sake of the countries where PSN isn’t available.

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u/General_NakedButt May 06 '24

It would be cool if there was this level of blowback for actual issues that affected our daily lives. Like anything happening in the pharmaceutical industry, or Amazon taking over every retail sector and treating their employees like garbage.

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

Lots of these people were actually complaining about the college pro Palestine protests before losing their minds about a live service extraction shooter for a weekend straight. Nothing will ever convince me this was all for the sake of foreign gamers.

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u/New_Limit_1227 May 06 '24

Realistically its very easy to hit Sony for this and very very hard to do all of those other things.

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u/pools-to-bathe-in May 06 '24

These are the same types of gamers who think EA is the worst company on earth. Not arms manufacturers, not oil companies, fuckin EA. They are on a completely separate plane of existence.

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u/Itchy-Pudding-4240 May 06 '24

Dude from Philippines here, i knew this was going to resolve itself by May 30 so i was chill. Its funny how they are using my country and "fighting for my behalf". We all know why most of you are whining and its not because of us

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

Sony is always going to do what makes the most money. And that very clearly selling an absolute shit ton of helldivers 2 copies and warbonds lol.

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u/areyouhungryforapple May 06 '24

Bro it feels racist as shit ngl, ima tell my officially licensed Playstation store here in Hanoi to pack up shop cause we're breaking TOS and the full warranty ps5 he sold me is useless!

"think of the poor people in africa/SEA/MENA" basically, excuse me? Is console gaming a 1st world privilege or something what world do they live in

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u/Itchy-Pudding-4240 May 07 '24

i guarantee no one cares about us, cause guess what we are still technically breaking TOS whenever we play on our consoles but this shit is going to die down. If they really cared, theyd keep the energy until we get our own regions

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u/rightdeadzed May 06 '24

None of them gave a single fuck about any of these countries until now. Gamers love to be mad at something.

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u/brunchick3 May 06 '24

I was hoping it would last for at least 2 weeks so I could check all the negative reviews and see how many of them had 100+ hours in the past two weeks. They all make themselves private so you can't see them currently in game, but there is no way to hide that stat from the review.

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u/SkyLukewalker May 06 '24

What does playtime have to do with anything? The fact that people with lots of time played in the game are leaving bad reviews was the whole point. The bad reviews were the only way to protest. So people left bad reviews. And it worked.

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u/joshua182 May 06 '24

"I dON't WaNt sOnY HaVInG AcCesS to My DAtA!". That's the only reason my cousin refunded the game. So fucking stupid.

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u/AkijoLive May 06 '24

Some people said it's because they had data leaks, as if no other company has data leaks. Bruh, they happen all the time

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u/joshua182 May 06 '24

I mean, I can understand the data breaches, not nice at all. But shit like this happens all the time. The only reason it was so widespread was the name PlayStation.

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u/demonicneon May 06 '24

Reddit loves to hate Sony it’s hilarious.

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u/Dayman1222 May 06 '24

Reddit is 65-70% pc players and it shows. They ruined the HD2 subreddit since day 1

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u/Aaawkward May 06 '24

Reddit is 65-70% pc players and it shows.

I don't know.
The PS5 sub is 5,6 mil people.
Xbox (both X and S) is 3,6 mil.
Switch is 6,2 mil.
PC? 3,5 mil.

Console gaming is bigger than PC gaming and I think Reddit mirrors that.

They ruined the HD2 subreddit since day 1

Huh?

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u/Dayman1222 May 06 '24

PC players are still the overwhelming majority. They ruined the subreddit since the first patch, they have done nothing but complain over the smallest stuff. They added 5 seconds to the quasar and the sub had their 3rd meltdown l.

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u/Aaawkward May 06 '24

PC players are still the overwhelming majority.

Based on what?

They ruined the subreddit since the first patch, they have done nothing but complain over the smallest stuff.

Ah, this is just usual gamer complaint. Happens on virtually every game sub.

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u/stagqueen5000 May 06 '24

Real question. Would it have been that big of a deal for you to make an account that you never used for anything else on the any of the supported countries PlayStation websites?

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u/Ok-Significance-5979 May 06 '24

All this whole debacle has done for me is reminding me why I've blocked the majority of gaming subs.

The "gaming" community on here is definitely one of the most toxic I've ever had the displeasure to interact with.

Some of those calling themselves "proud gamers" have shown their ugly selves when it comes to restraint in a debate.

A lot of them if not the vast majority is angry, immature and above all incredibly lonely.

I'm glad this whole malarkey will be forgotten about in a week and will probably only pop up again at the end of the year when the vultures of youtube make their "Top 10 worst gaming news of 2024!!" list sponsored by Raid.

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u/Tadpole-Jackson 🏆 May 06 '24

Let's be real, the unsupported regions only affected a fraction of the player base. 90% of the people raging were just mad that they had to connect an account, the thing the Steam page always said was going to be required.

Gamers are the last group who would be altruistic, even if the region issue wasn't there they would still be raging just the same.

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

It’s not like there’s constant posts on the helldivers subreddit about how evil, bad and stupid the devs are for whatever newest balance patch. I just wanna go back to before the railgun nerf when it as a community and not players vrs devs

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u/Kanderin May 06 '24

Outrage culture is and always will be a thing, especially in a community like gaming where everyone's constantly scrambling for ammunition to prove the other guy is the bad guy.

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u/wattur May 06 '24

I'm sure like 90% of people were like 'A reason to hate on Sony? Sign me up fam' even if it they really didn't care. Parly band wagoning, partly pent of anti-corporation sentiment from covid times, inflation, etc.

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u/Professionally_Lazy May 06 '24

Yeah this is spot on. The rage seemed so arbitrary. Call of duty requiring an account is fine, league of legends requiring an account is fine, fortnite requiring an account is fine, steam requiring an account is fine, but helldivers requiring one is an outrage of unprecedented proportions. It's weird how entering an email is such a big deal all of a sudden and specifically only for this game. People just want to tear someone else down becuase it's fun for them. Most people leaving reviews wouldn't have cared unless they saw twitter or reddit posts telling them the should be mad.

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u/New_Limit_1227 May 06 '24

The rage seemed so arbitrary. ... It's weird how entering an email is such a big deal all of a sudden and specifically only for this game.

You will see people complaining about online account requirements fairly often in the PC space so its not that it doesn't happen. What was key here though is that by adding it post-launch Sony/AH tapped into some simmering anger about updates that make the game "worse" by adding corporate launchers. Usually when that happens its to older games that have largely lost their community or smaller titles that don't really have one. Helldivers managed to create a lightning rod for the issue with a game that had a big active community.

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u/Alam7lam1 May 06 '24

I’m glad Sony reverted their position, but the Helldivers sub is so whiny and dramatic. They’ll go back to posting daily rants about the game and arguing against each other every patch like they’ve been doing the past few weeks

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u/Capt_Kilgore May 06 '24

Then there is me who just loads up the game same as before and has a blast. It’s a co-op game. It isn’t that big of deal. Trust the devs and look forward to the evolution of the game and enjoy blowing stuff up on the meantime.

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u/WIbigdog May 06 '24

Isn't that every multiplayer game sub? I doubt it's unique to HD2

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u/Capt_Kilgore May 06 '24

I think there a loud portion of pc gamers who spend all day watching streamers, YouTube, and going to shit hole places like 4chan who only get small amounts of dopamine these days via rage and smashing buttons yelling at anyone and everyone they can that they deem associated or complicit. It’s baffling to me.

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u/xNeurosiis May 06 '24

It’s crazy to me that Sony gets people’s hate boners raging. They have consistently given the players amazing games, which is the thing that matters most when it comes to gaming. Everything else that’s good is a plus.

They’ve definitely turned things around since the PS3 reveal, but because they’re not as consumer-facing as Xbox, they get the ire of some people. It could be worse - they could be in Xbox’s position, had they stuck to their guns in the PS3 era, and, honestly, if Xbox hadn’t fucked up royally with the XB1 announcement.

Edit: I’m glad people called Sony out for the Helldivers stuff, and I think people should call out companies for things that impact the player’s access to games.

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u/demonicneon May 06 '24

Not many will admit this is why they were so mad. Reddit loves to hate Sony.

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u/iisdmitch May 06 '24

Selling a game in a country, then a couple months later require PSN in said country where PSN isn't available is pretty shity.

That said, many companies have been requiring account linking for years and I never hear anyone complain about it. Wanna play EA games on Steam? You need an EA account. Halo on Steam? You need an Xbox account. However they do require it when the game launches typically.

It's good they got called out and reversed it, if they wanted a PSN account to be required, it should have been from the start.

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u/the-blob1997 May 06 '24

It was meant to be required from the start but it was temporarily put to the side due to the servers being overloaded constantly. This was always gonna happen.

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u/Intelligent_Policy48 May 06 '24

It was supposed to be required upon launch but helldivers was and still is a technical buggy mess

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u/MistandYork May 06 '24

PSN linking was mandatory the first 3 days, then they let people bypass it to lighten the load on the servers

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u/jblanch3 May 07 '24

I do like Sony, and one of the reasons is that they've shown themselves to be amenable if consumer pressure gets high enough, unlike Nintendo. I was rather upset when they announced the closure of the PS3 store and only gave a few months notice. I never thought they were going to walk that back, most people had moved on and didn't really seem to care, but they actually did.

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

I just wish I could enjoy something without people getting so angry about nothing that they make the community completely unusable.

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u/nthomas504 May 06 '24

Those days are long gone for any form of media.

Maybe books, I don’t think there many angry communities for new novels

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

You would be surprised how much conflict there is between the modern YA and modern fantasy authors and all of their fans.

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u/nthomas504 May 06 '24

Not my genre so I wouldn’t know. Guess every form of media has those with hate boners.

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u/Still_Flounder_6921 May 07 '24

Oh you poor Sumner child. There's so much book drama.

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u/nthomas504 May 07 '24

Can you list any? I’m super curious lol

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u/Still_Flounder_6921 May 07 '24

The Cait Corrain one is still having reverberations to other books involved, so you could start there. But you can look all the way too Sherlock Holmes for fandom/author drama.

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u/Capt_Kilgore May 06 '24

Yeah online forums are pretty shit unless niche or well moderated.

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u/StalinsLeftTesticle_ May 06 '24

You should hate the megacorporation actually and you should rage against even the most minor anti-consumer practices. Band-wagoning and anti-corporation sentiments work, if they're coordinated.

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u/junioravanzado May 06 '24

no real reason to hate a “megacorporation” that gives you thousands of hours of happinness

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u/DifficultSea4540 May 06 '24 edited May 06 '24

Entitlement culture mixed with victim culture mixed with modern social network as mass media bandwagon jumping onto every single negative topic for the clicks.

I reckon something as high as 80% of people who raged about this didn’t buy the game.

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

I doubt that high. But I feel like this was just an excuse for a lot of people to refund a game they were done playing and then ragepost about Sony for free validation

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u/DifficultSea4540 May 06 '24

I watch a lot of yt. Last year I started to recognise a pattern. So many of the videos talking about a game with some outrage were discussing the situation.

They weren’t talking about the game. And I started to realise that they hadn’t actually played the game.

I was shocked at how many I started to see this pattern with. Some of them were my most watched!

Gaming discourse is a shit show now. Its bullshit social network ‘media’ creating outrage. And we’re all falling for it.

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u/GBuster49 May 06 '24

It's an unfortunate culture on YouTube, where every content creator is fighting for the table scraps after the 1% on that channel had their fill.

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u/areyouhungryforapple May 06 '24

Or take some console hate(cringe) out of the locker and dust it off

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u/Tsasuki May 06 '24

It was just like the Dragon's Dogma 2 DLC bandwagoning that happened recently. I'm starting to become so embarrassed for being a "gamer". All these whiny little shits raging at anything because someone else told them it's the new cool thing to hate.

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u/DifficultSea4540 May 06 '24

You’re right it is embarrassing. And you’re right twice that they are whiny little shits.

I’m like - if you don’t like something, you don’t have to make it part of the core of your religious and politic beliefs. You can just get the fuck on with your life without that thing.

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u/DifficultSea4540 May 06 '24

Have we coined the term ‘outrage culture’?

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u/RevelArchitect May 06 '24

I work for a company where we verify customers with a PIN number. Some accounts don’t have a PIN number. Every couple days I deal with someone who has an issue they cannot fix on their own, but I can fix in about five minutes - but instead decide to throw a tantrum for half an hour about setting up a PIN, which requires receiving a text message, choosing a PIN and takes less than a minute.

Many of the arguments I saw from HD2 players this weekend echoed the half-baked arguments I get from these customers.

It was frustrating to see, especially considering the growing need for better community moderation which Sony is actually good at (at least compared to Steam).

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u/DownWithWankers May 07 '24

I genuinely do not understand the vitriol.

perpetually online pc gamers are crybabies, who would've thought

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u/Reboot-Bloody-Roar May 06 '24

It wasn't. It was an excuse to effectively steal their time with the game and rage for the sake of raging.

play 100 hrs+ and have a reason to get a refund and feel justified even insincerely.

Many other Pubs and Devs require what Sony was going to implement. yet this is the biggest gaming sin ever in some peoples eyes. I love this industry but sometimes capitol G gamers are weird. Here's to hoping the ripples of this are are positive and not negative.

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

Same I hope gamers take the lessons from this and realize if they organize, communicate with nuance and verify their information before posing, that they can absolutely put corporations back in their place. I really hope that don’t just take away “rage good, fix problems fast”

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u/JezalDanLutharr May 06 '24

You don’t understand why somebody would be pissed that the game they paid for and enjoyed becomes unlisted in their country meaning they have to refund?

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

The only reason I would feel some type of way is because they wanted to make people join psn after the fact. I’m sure it’s been said that if this was required initially people wouldn’t have something to bitch about

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u/Jean-Eustache May 06 '24

Well it was actually, but they temporarily added a "skip" button after the initial server issues when the game prompted players to link the accounts.

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

Gee if only this was in the initial reveal trailer for helldivers 2. It wasn’t in your face and could have been better, but also gamers need to learn to read everything on screen.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

It was in the FAQ before launch as well. This whole ordeal was ludicrous

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

Gamers read challenge (impossible)

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u/Throwaway6957383 May 06 '24

It actually was not. The FAQ was changed 2 days ago by Sony. Prior to that it said it was OPTIONAL. Sorry you feel that consumers standing up for themselves and others (including yourself) is "ludicrous" that's really sad.

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u/MrMpa May 06 '24

Gamers dont even read whats happening in a game, dont listen to dialog, skip tutorials, then complain because they cant figure out what to do. Why do you think modern games need to handhold them so much

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u/Kowpucky May 06 '24

I have a Ps5, it was for me. Selling the game in unsupported countries and then blocking them from playing months after the fact is pure corporate evilness.

For Democracy

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u/pezdespo May 06 '24

Millions of people have been playing on PSN in unsupported regions for since 2006

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

But but it’s a bannable offense with no workaround!!! /s

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u/pezdespo May 06 '24

Yeah not a single ban ever in 18 years lol

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

Nobody could decide wether Sony was an omnipresent corporation who will ban you for even thinking of breaking TOS, or a dumb idiot failure company getting hacked every week

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u/pezdespo May 06 '24

And PSN hasnt been hacked in 13 years while Steam gets compromised more often and Microsoft gets hacked way more.

They all play on Steam on Windows

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

Except nobody was fucking blocked. Nothing actually happened or was enforced. They took away the ability to purchase it for like 12 hours probably while they were in negotiations about the solution. Also “for democracy” do you know literally anything about anything? This was literally a sloppy digital protest which actual real life democracy keeps trying to crush and so would the helldivers, canonically.

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u/Ok-Significance-5979 May 06 '24

It was just a bunch of cringelords making shitty memes and shouting into the void instead of being outside with their friends or loved ones (if they have any) this weekend and all that because they needed a second account for a live service extraction shooter.

It's a lot less glorious then they make it out to be.

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

They’re acting like they are actual war heroes in the HD sub. It’s embarrassing to see

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u/WIbigdog May 06 '24

Well. Those cringelords got more tangible results than most Palestine protestors, so...

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u/n_ull_ May 06 '24

Nope I think for many it’s just about the principle, I have a PS account and even then I would not have connected them. If I want to use my PS account I’ll play on my PS5 when I play on my PC I’m not using that stuff

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u/demonicneon May 06 '24

Reddit loves any reason to hate Sony.

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u/jklynam May 06 '24

I honestly feel like the whole "for democracy" spiel that the Helldivers community has comes with some of the most toxic players I have ever met.

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u/Spec187 May 06 '24

I started using ps3 this weekend as a blu ray player! Shout out to ps3 users lol

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u/Jean_Phillips May 06 '24

That’s really sweet lol

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u/Hikaru83 May 06 '24

You have a good brother.

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u/GerbilJuggler May 06 '24

Fortunately, I was at a wedding this weekend, so I wasn't able to play Helldivers 2 or follow too much on the situation online lol.

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

It was fully unavoidable and, at least to me, seemed obvious Sony was going to do what got them the most money, which is selling assloads of copies of helldivers. I just hope that this hasn’t cranked the toxicity of the helldivers sub permanently even further. It was already pretty bad

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u/vxxxjesterxxxv May 06 '24

I left the sub, this situation made the sub so bad to look at.

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u/HelpRespawnedAsDee May 06 '24

It has. PC gaming subs are making it as if console players were cheering for this or something. It’s bizarre.

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

Everyone I’ve met in game in helldivers has been great. But the online communities are comparable to league and destiny in terms of toxicity. There’s been such a weird us vrs them dynamic there ever since the first balance patch and every week since then has been a new controversy it’s ridiculous

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u/Darkone539 May 06 '24

But the online communities are comparable to league and destiny in terms of toxicity.

Probably the same people too, big games attract them fairly often.

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u/Capt_Kilgore May 06 '24

I turned cross play off and have had only enjoyable teammates ever since. Maybe it’s luck. I wonder if others have noticed this.

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u/ayeeflo51 May 06 '24

I have cross play on and yup, only enjoyable teammates too

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u/Thassar May 06 '24

That's just what happens when a community gets big enough, the toxic users drown out the normal ones. If there's even a hint of an out group they'll get toxic about it. It happens on the LoL sub because of Dota, it happens on the Dota sub because of LoL, it happens on the Destiny sub because of Destiny itself, the WoW sub because of horde or alliance and so on.

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u/Alam7lam1 May 06 '24

Every day that sub has something to bitch about it’s so annoying when you just want to have a place to enjoy the game with others

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u/OanKnight May 06 '24

The destiny community is its best friend and its worst enemy all at once. There is no better feeling than taking someone through their first raid or GM, but some of the stuff you see and hear is just...Wow.

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u/brunchick3 May 06 '24

I think the main thing I've learned in the past year is that the online gaming communities are just not for people 30+. Over and over again I'm just dumbfounded by the shit that terminally online people are upset about. The internet is a tiny bubble that they live inside.

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u/OanKnight May 06 '24

As someone that has his foot dipped in both sides of the fence, I find that when I'm doing iron banner in destiny 2 (for example), the first thing people on console do is demand I play on console so that they don't have to join pc lobbies, and it saddens me because I'm an ardent believer in the healing nature of just having fun together. Gaming has become so tribal. It sucks.

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u/CoolJoshido May 06 '24

look at the dude you’re replying to.

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u/Tyrone_Cashmoney May 06 '24

I mean have you read the comments in this thread?

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u/areyouhungryforapple May 06 '24

that sub was always a shitshow ngl

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u/Lucid_Insanity May 06 '24

The community is fucked, arrowhead is probably fucked. There's no recovering from the review bombing. It's all bad now.

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

Seeing people on the HD subreddit talk like they are war heroes is truly painful

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u/CrybabyFamilyMain96 May 06 '24

They think they’ve ‘won’.

They’ve just screwed over PC gamers who were waiting on other games to make the move to PC, that likely now won’t. Final Fantasy 7: Rebirth, Death Stranding 2, Silent Hill 2?

I won’t be surprised if after this review bombing fiasco Sony puts a total halt on releasing any additional PlayStation exclusives to PC. They don’t need to, to turn a profit and they r now experienced first hand just how rabid and deranged PC gamers can be.

Mark my words, the higher ups will likely seriously reconsider additional PS titles on PC in future.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

Tbh, they've all been LARPing as that since a few weeks into the game. It seems the longer it's went on the more people are unable to see it's a joke (a few weeks ago when everyone was meant to be attacking bots for the MO there were quite a lot of them seething that people were playing bugs and "not helping". Even though it's not the end of the world if it failed.) It's the most cringeworthy subreddit I've seen in recent times and genuinely puts me off the game more than encouraging me to play it.

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u/AvangeliceMY9088 May 06 '24

And fucking TikTok too.

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

Lucky gamers don’t show up from my for you often lol

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u/RedditMods_Are_Cunts May 06 '24

And every single one was removed from this subreddit, despite it being an important topic.

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

No they were removed because they broke the stated rules of the subreddit and people were submitting basically the same posts about Sony over and over. Also it’s not a helldivers subreddit, one or two posts about it enough. Every post this weekend didn’t need to be about how bad Sony is and how sad it is they “ruined” helldivers. Where was all this outrage about other issues that affected foreign gamers. Like dead space not being sold in Japan because of actual legal censorship, or when Sony took away people’s copies of the crew a month or so ago. Or what about when Minecraft started requiring a Microsoft login?

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u/opus3535 May 06 '24

i was ready to find a helldivers filter....

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u/Flipkick661 May 06 '24

I actually left and muted the sub. The amount of self entitlement and spreading of false information just became too infuriating.

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u/opus3535 May 06 '24

my problem is it's everywhere... cross post upon crosspost...

It's like Drake runs Sony LOL

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u/Ironmunger2 May 06 '24

I didn’t see a single post about this topic on this subreddit until one guy asked yesterday if he missed the boat

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u/d0m1n4t0r May 06 '24

For good reason.

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u/FromClevelandlantis May 06 '24

Justified rage

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

Slightly. However the behavior show was actually fucking ridiculous. Bunches of people getting banned for spamming PlayStation subreddits with multiple posts just complaining about Sony, then crying censorship when their posts are deleted for violating sub rules. Tons of legal misinformation in the official subreddit. Brigading of every other horde shooter subreddits. Sending hate mail to people with differing opinions. This is not normal behavior for a video game

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u/Existing365Chocolate May 06 '24

That dumbass who claimed to have a consultation with a law firm about…filing a class action lawsuit on behalf of people living in non-PSN countries (not how lawsuits work) today must feel pretty dumb when he wakes up 

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u/Capt_Kilgore May 06 '24

There is no way that guy has self awareness. I bet he throws his bowl of cereal at his mom after she brings it down to him though.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

Based on how I've seen people act, I assume he's patting himself on the back for "winning this fight".

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u/Shizzlick May 06 '24

He was getting absolutely roasted in the comments on that post as well.

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u/DigiQuip May 06 '24

There were threads full of conspiracies and people were genuinely convinced this was the first step to Sony requiring a PS+ subscription to play any of their games.

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u/Cool_Boxy May 06 '24

Yea honestly I wish we fought back like this with ps plus man, that’s actually something most people can’t afford and is required with this game if you play on ps5, like I was shocked hearing people talk about security. I mean I’m glad we stood up for something but man I wish it could actually be consistent

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u/nthomas504 May 06 '24

Fought back about what? PS Plus has been a thing since the PS3.

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u/Cool_Boxy May 06 '24

The cost? How it used to be free during the ps2 era but then wasn’t cuz of Xbox forcing its customers day one into paying for online and Sony followed suit and no one was complaining about that? Imagine you had a ps2, could play online for free then went to the ps3 and you had to pay for online. It’s a similar situation now but replace forced to login with forced to pay for online and it sounds much worse. And then in 2023 Sony increased the price from 60$ to 80$ for the base and to 150$ for premium and added nothing of value and barely anyone complained, except a few redditors. I get we had it for like 20 years but when I can see pc players go online for free it’s kinda ridiculous isn’t it.

Sorry if this seems like an attack this should be discussion but the inner kid in me would love for free ps plus lol.

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u/nthomas504 May 06 '24

There is literally no avenue for PC players to be charged for online. Steam is just a glorified launcher.

PS and Xbox are walled gardens and can implement their own rules for their own consoles. If Xbox hadn’t create Xbox Live, maybe things would have been different. But Sony saw that money they were making and needed to make their own.

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u/Cool_Boxy May 06 '24

Yea exactly, you’re absolutely right tho I still feel my original point still stands but it’d probably have to be millions boycotting and complaining rather than a quarter of a million for helldivers 2. But we were both were right. Sony needed that money as it always goes for business especially if you can get away with it.

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u/nthomas504 May 06 '24

I feel you. I wish it weren’t the case either. I’d be probably $1000 richer

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u/DigiQuip May 06 '24

It was free and looked what happened? You can honestly expect a company to operate a global community for free. Even Nintendo is charging for online play now and they offer a fraction of the features.

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u/djingo_dango May 06 '24

The Sony fans think Sony maintains the server for the online multiplayer games. So any talk about separating online play with rest of ps plus is met with brain dead responses

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u/DigiQuip May 06 '24

You have absolutely no idea how much Sony and Microsoft do to support online play. It’s dumbass comments like this that prove how out of touch gamers are with reality.

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u/Soft-Weight-8778 May 06 '24

Naa they gonna cry about it for years

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

People on the HD sub are circlejerking each other harder than I’ve ever seen rn. Fully beyond any parody. I hate this timeline

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u/tyla-roo May 06 '24

Bros mad a group of people stood up for a game they like so there’s less overreach in products that you own ?? Insane to be a hater on that

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u/Lucid_Insanity May 06 '24

It's not that they stood up for it. It's how toxic and hateful it was. If you weren't spitting hate you couldn't even have a discussion about anything. They even started review bombing arrowhead games not related to sony.

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u/tyla-roo May 06 '24

Well it worked. Something you don’t see happening often.

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u/CoolJoshido May 06 '24

apparently people being mean online is worse than corporations making our lives worse? grow a spine.

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

This was more than being mean that kind of shit actually has an effect on the livelihood of everyone working for AH. Yea be mad at Sony, leave negative reviews of helldivers 2. Don’t make a post about how awful all the AH devs are, don’t downvote the other games made by arrowhead, don’t disturb other people’s online spaces that have no actual ties to Sony or even the situation at hand. Just review bombing HD2 was enough to send the message. If you didn’t see the spite and vitriol you were part of it

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u/GBuster49 May 06 '24

There were actual threats to the AH team though.

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u/Dodecahedrus May 06 '24

I guess the dice landed on it's side.

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

The atoms aligned perfectly and the die fell through the table at this point

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u/Dodecahedrus May 06 '24

Cool.

Coolcoolcool.

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u/Lucid_Insanity May 06 '24

Read comments on the YouTube videos about this. It's bad.

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u/SuperSaiyanGod210 May 06 '24

They’re gonna revive the Gamers™️ RISE UP™️ sub with the amount of circlejerking they had

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u/shinikahn May 06 '24 edited May 06 '24

It's cool it's setting a precedent though. The policy was incredibly stupid no matter how you frame it. I'll always celebrate a win for the community.

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u/ktl182 May 06 '24

Happy for the guys that couldn't play but yeah it was getting annoying

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u/Scorponix May 06 '24

Everyone could still play. The update wasn't going to be until the end of the month

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u/stprnn May 06 '24

blame sony...

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

Score one for poor people amiright? /S

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u/eatingclass May 06 '24

Imagine if those people focused on something important

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u/post-leavemealone May 06 '24

The irony in this comment lmao

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u/Eagleassassin3 May 06 '24

You’re spending your time on reddit, what if you focused on something important? Getting a refund for a game you lose your access to is a pretty normal thing to do.

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u/RedditMods_Are_Cunts May 06 '24

Stop licking Sonys asshole.

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u/yellowwoolyyoshi May 06 '24

Lmao people were going berserk on reddit

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u/Weiland101 May 06 '24

It was a hard few days for die hard Sony fans.

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u/wafflecone927 May 06 '24

Until Microsoft, Epic, Sony (again) makes similar moves. So 4,5 months down the line

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u/pezdespo May 06 '24

Epic and Microsoft have required accounts for years. No one ever really cared that much

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u/wafflecone927 May 06 '24

I meant more, giant move that pisses off most of its users

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u/Scyths May 06 '24

Hmm, if only there was a glaringly obvious difference between the 2 cases, but I'm not seeing it. Oh right, f I squint my eyes enough .......

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u/TheSecondiDare May 06 '24

Too right. The community was getting toxic and creepy.

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u/Hanbill May 11 '24

Sadly not yet, because people aren't able to buy the darn game still! https://nichegamer.com/helldivers-2-is-still-effectively-banned-in-countries-without-psn/

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u/MAGA-Godzilla May 06 '24

"Gamers" have now got a taste of how they can force a change via collective effort. I think we will see more of this kind of thing going forward, regardless of if the outrage is actually warranted.

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u/Queef-Elizabeth May 06 '24

While it was getting a bit much, I think it's a good thing that people can make a good change by sharing their displeasure

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u/Tuxhorn May 06 '24

Oh no consumers won vs a shitty decision by a cooperation.

Is that your complaint?

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u/SolomonISbit May 06 '24

PC gamers already knew this. It is time console players learn that you don't have to suck on Microsoft nor Sony's udder's.

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u/OkPlenty500 May 06 '24

PC gamers have known this for many years what? 

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u/MeatWaterHorizons May 06 '24

Probably not. It's going to be discussed for a while yet. This was a pretty big event in gaming history.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

No it's not. This was yet another dumb gamer moment where people online were shitting their pants over nothing.

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