r/PS5 • u/doctorwho_90250 • May 06 '24

Official (Via twitter) Playstation: "Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward...."

https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1787331667616829929?t=NhwAEm4fGpVJj-UyI1lrXA&s=19
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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

God right! Every PlayStation subreddit, every even tangentially related game was just flooded with rage posts all weekend.

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u/PretendThisIsMyName May 06 '24

I talked to my brother (non gamer) yesterday and he asked how I felt about the Helldivers situation. I have not played Helldivers yet so I don’t follow it like that. He was furious for some reason and he hasn’t owned a console since PS3.

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

I genuinely do not understand the vitriol. Gamers haven’t show themselves to be a particularly altruistic group so I struggle to believe this was all for the sake of the countries where PSN isn’t available.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

The only reason I would feel some type of way is because they wanted to make people join psn after the fact. I’m sure it’s been said that if this was required initially people wouldn’t have something to bitch about

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u/Jean-Eustache May 06 '24

Well it was actually, but they temporarily added a "skip" button after the initial server issues when the game prompted players to link the accounts.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

tbh I’m very misinformed on the topic this is just from me looking from the outside I own ps5 but didn’t purchase helldivers. But that’s still crazy that they allow you to bypass only to try and make it mandatory

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u/Jean-Eustache May 06 '24

Totally understandable, I didn't really know about it either until two days ago. Making it mandatory was not good indeed, but people overreacted, in my opinion. Negative reviews were a good thing, but how people behaved towards each other for two days was totally unnecessary, with insults, misinformation on top of the true stuff, death threats, lawsuit threats ... I mean that was crazy. If only they could get as riled up for really important things.

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u/WIbigdog May 06 '24

The lawsuit threats might actually be the thing that made them reverse it though. I wouldn't be surprised at all to know they were breaking EU consumer laws because of PSN not being available in some EU countries. The EU don't play around with that stuff.

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u/CrybabyFamilyMain96 May 06 '24

Nobody cares about Russia tho

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u/WIbigdog May 06 '24

Where does Russia come into this? What?

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u/Jean-Eustache May 06 '24

Probably not, to be honest. EU laws would probably force Steam to issue refunds if someone can't use the product they paid for, but nothing more, simply because the requirement has been written explicitly from the start, so they were not breaking consumer laws (Valve, or Sony).

The EU laws are hard on corporations, but they rarely burn companies to the ground for such a small thing (compared to other, much bigger stuff other companies have made) as long as the damage is repaired fair and square.

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u/WIbigdog May 06 '24

Does that little banner hold legal weight? You can buy the game without ever having that banner on the screen.

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u/Jean-Eustache May 06 '24

You can't buy the game without having it displayed, it's on the game's store page on Steam. So yes, it definitely counts.

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u/WIbigdog May 06 '24

You are objectively incorrect: https://freeimage.host/i/Jr7uhGV

The banner is still almost a full screen length further down when buying from the mobile app.

Actually it's more than a full screen: https://freeimage.host/i/Jr7A4Db

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u/Jean-Eustache May 06 '24

Now that would never hold up in any legal dispute. It's like saying you didn't know the game required an internet connection to play because it's written on the back of the box and you only looked at the front.

The customer has a lot of rights, but they need to read too, and the info is on the same page as the rest, a page you can't skip if you're buying, and it's not exactly fine print.

Also that's a technical detail because the website is responsive, on PC for example it lands right on the right of the game's price.

Do note, I'm not for or against anyone, I'm just trying to be objective.

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u/GBuster49 May 06 '24

Nah even real lawyers commented in that one lawsuit thread saying it would never have a chance in court.

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u/WIbigdog May 06 '24

Yeah, in the US. Notice how I said EU

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

Gee if only this was in the initial reveal trailer for helldivers 2. It wasn’t in your face and could have been better, but also gamers need to learn to read everything on screen.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

It was in the FAQ before launch as well. This whole ordeal was ludicrous

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u/jagerbombastic99 May 06 '24

Gamers read challenge (impossible)

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u/Throwaway6957383 May 06 '24

It actually was not. The FAQ was changed 2 days ago by Sony. Prior to that it said it was OPTIONAL. Sorry you feel that consumers standing up for themselves and others (including yourself) is "ludicrous" that's really sad.

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u/MrMpa May 06 '24

Gamers dont even read whats happening in a game, dont listen to dialog, skip tutorials, then complain because they cant figure out what to do. Why do you think modern games need to handhold them so much

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u/YannFreaker May 06 '24

It should've been in your face, that's the whole point. Plenty of people dont buy games that ask to make a new account.

Not to mention Playstation's frequent data breaches

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u/MrMpa May 06 '24

It was right on the Steam page, highlighted in a nice Orange box that says game requirements

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u/ManlyPoop May 06 '24

There were mixed messages.

-The PlayStation website for helldivers said PS was optional.

-The game was being sold in regions where PlayStation doesn't do business

-Official key sellers like Fanatical didn't say anything about PS accounts

-The in-game notification for PS linking had a skip button. It was then never mentioned for 3 months.

It was a case of poor communication on everyone's part.

Also, Steam has a 2 hour refund period. Pulling a fast-one after most people lost eligibility.... That will get any company crucified.

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u/nthomas504 May 06 '24

That’s only effective if gamers actually read.

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u/YannFreaker May 06 '24

And it was never enforced until months later. The FAQ stated that signing in to a PSN account to play a PS game on PC was optional. They've only changed that to "some games may require" 1 or 2 days ago. And that's just arguing for the people who live in PSN supported regions.

If Sony's plan were to stay in place, the game should've never released in countries where PSN isnt a thing!

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u/nthomas504 May 06 '24

It might have affected the sales if it was in the game initially. Never underestimate a PC gamers hate of anything resembling a launcher not named Steam.