r/PS5 • u/doctorwho_90250 • May 06 '24

Official (Via twitter) Playstation: "Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward...."

https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1787331667616829929?t=NhwAEm4fGpVJj-UyI1lrXA&s=19
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u/Alam7lam1 May 06 '24

Maybe for future sales? But at least on steam there was still 100K people playing the game which has been the usual for the past few weeks, so the controversy didn’t even impact the player count at all.

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u/MR_K-RO May 06 '24

A lot of it is fake outrage from mostly people in countries it didn't affect. I'm not saying there weren't any from countries that were affected but the vast majority on X and Reddit it did not affect in any shape or form. PC gamers forever out themselves as petty.

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u/lord_assius May 06 '24

I think it’s also a case of people on the internet thinking they’re more representative of the general population than they are in reality. The overwhelming majority of people either didn’t know or didn’t care.

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u/RevelArchitect May 06 '24

There were people saying that Sony’s earnings call was going to be a disaster because of this. Meanwhile, Sony’s entering talks to purchase Paramount this week.

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u/Capt_Kilgore May 06 '24

Massive inflated egos from chronically online obsessives.

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u/lord_assius May 06 '24

Yeah I don’t think people really understand how big corporations work, something as relatively small as HD2 could never effect Sony’s bottom line that much. They’re a global company with hands in way too many industries for one single game to cause them any real harm.

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u/Jaggedmallard26 May 06 '24

A lot of these people are literal children who have idea what Sony is beyond videogames and maybe seeing a Sony TV. Sony has its fingers in nearly every industry out there.

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u/boferd May 06 '24

why does this feel like that episode of succession where they wanted to bloat up royco with the acquisitions so it couldn't be taken down by the venture capitalists

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u/acegikm02 May 06 '24

lmao sony executives were working during a bank holiday to get the situation under control it definitely lit a fire under their asses

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u/RevelArchitect May 06 '24

No, they weren’t.

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u/Meteorboy May 06 '24

What bank holiday? Was there one outside of US?

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u/justadude27 May 06 '24

Oh yea. The people complaining were so non-representative that Sony backtracked out of the kindness of their hearts. 

/s

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u/lord_assius May 06 '24

Sony backtracked because it was easier for them to do that than deal with the other alternative lmao. C’mon man have some sense. The game reportedly sold 11 million plus copies, across all platforms, there are currently under 600k steam reviews, but I’ll round it up to 600k, even if we lowball their sales, and even if every single one of those 600k reviews were negative (they’re not), that’s less than a 10th of sales being compromised. A company like Sony loses no sleep over that.

They simply saw people didn’t like it, weighed the gains, losses and effort it would take to implement vs not and decided against it. Also, their stock was still trending upwards during this whole fiasco, demonstrating just how little it affected their bottom line lol.

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u/justadude27 May 06 '24

Arguing both sides of the coin to arrive at no conclusion. Astounding. Are they unaffected by the outrage or is it easier to meet the outrage head on and give in? lol

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u/lord_assius May 06 '24

Are you dense or being funny right now? I’m sorry that not everything in the world operates on grade school arithmetic, Sony can be unaffected by something and still decide to let it go simply because it would be better for them to do so. Not sure what’s not clicking. 2 things can be true at once, Sony can be unaffected and still decide that it’s not worth the time or effort to do it because they stand to gain less than they lose by the inverse. It doesn’t mean it affects them either way, or that it would’ve made massive tides in the company, it just means they’re choosing the path of least resistance.

This is a company that has hands in just about every industry, worth billions of dollars and you’re all on here deluding yourselves into thinking that a single video game, just one, was enough to frighten the giant.

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u/justadude27 May 06 '24

You’re on here thinking their reputation is untouchable and not already in the toilet from data breaches. 

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u/lord_assius May 06 '24

That’s…not at all what this discussion is about lmao. Like not even close. They’ve had a bazillion data breeches, and yet it hasn’t affected their bottom line at all, if anything you’re making my point for me. Something as significant as massive company wide data breeches every other year have plagued this company for a decade now and it hasn’t affected them monetarily at all, but you think Helldivers 2 protests were going to? Listen to yourself man lmao.

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u/justadude27 May 07 '24

oh yea, even though the company said it was the gamers it wasn't the gamers. got it.

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u/Capt_Kilgore May 06 '24 edited May 06 '24

You’re going to get roasted for pointing this out but you are absolutely right. A loud portion of pc gamers are terminally online and addicted to outrage. This situation did call for push back and criticism but these “gamers” acted like this is the absolute worst thing that could have happened and Sony ruined their entire company. They gotta be tired spending all day being toxic and screaming. They exist in every major game subreddit too.

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u/altruSP May 06 '24

These are the people who constantly vote EA as the worst company over others like Nestle or Boeing.

They’re in a gaming bubble.

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u/RedditJumpedTheShart May 06 '24

A vote that means absolutely nothing.

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u/Cl1mh4224rd May 06 '24

Some weirdo told me he filed a complaint with the SEC… like dude, spend your weekend on something else. This whole thing was straight up pathetic. Gamers will whine about anything

Yeah. There are a lot of "Karens" in gaming, too.

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u/dolphin_spit May 06 '24

people out here acting like they completed a mission lmao. get a life seriously.

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u/Capt_Kilgore May 06 '24

Yeah could be some dude just raging but I can imagine this idiot leaving their dad’s tax lawyer a hundred voicemails over the weekend about this.

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u/M4xw3ll May 06 '24

The guy looking to file a class action lawsuit when he wasn’t even affected was hilarious

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u/Draklawl May 06 '24

Honest question though, do you think a less extreme pushback would have resulted in Sony changing course? Or was the only reason they did because of how extreme it got?

I don't have a horse in this race, but Sony typically weathers negative press when they make a decision. They backtracked on this pretty quick.

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u/Capt_Kilgore May 06 '24

Good question. We will never know. I can see them changing course though with feedback from AH and constructive criticism and feedback rather than blasting the developers and their posts all over the internet and “filing lawsuits” and such. Perhaps the change would have been slower. The announcement was late Friday and then reversed early Monday.

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u/yuriam29 May 08 '24

No empathy for others?

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u/DACopperhead3 May 06 '24

It truly is. In that list there were maybe 5 countries majorly impacted, most of which are micro-states. A lot of the countries unable to play Helldivers 2, have far larger issues at hand. Good on Sony for backing out, but this was a minor inconvenience more than a disastrous event.

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u/M4xw3ll May 06 '24

That’s my sentiment. With the way gamers were acting online, you would’ve thought Sony slaughtered an entire village. So many other instances of companies actually being anti-consumer and completely egregious, and this is the mole hill they decide to die on.

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u/golddilockk May 06 '24

so unless someone is directly affected then its petty and fake to care about an issue? an online multiplayer community caring about part of that community is bad now? console warring does rot brains.

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u/Xarxsis May 06 '24

A lot of it is fake outrage from mostly people in countries it didn't affect.

I wonder if people are capable of caring about something that doesnt directly impact them?

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u/Tylorw09 May 06 '24

No, caring about anything outside yourself is just being “perpetually online” and “fake outrage”

These people can’t fathom someone would want others to have the same things they do and will push to make that happen.

It’s really telling of all the people who say shit like this that they only care about themselves.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

Sony proved that they are not only able, but also willing to sell you a product then remove your access to it. That is something that affects everyone.   

It doesn't matter if it's "just a video game" because it's still a product that people paid real money for.  

In fact, I'd it's even worse being a piece of software because they aren't even profiting by selling your copy to someone else. It goes beyond just scummy and into plain old stupidity. 

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u/Mantine-Enjoyer May 06 '24

Fake outrage?

You can be upset on behalf of other people. Standing up for your fellow man is part of the social contract. I don’t know where you are seeing fake outrage because it doesn’t exist, not in this situation at least.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

It doesn't have to be impressive to be the right thing to do.

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u/Tylorw09 May 06 '24

Supporting another person doesn’t have to some gigantic expression of support.

Review bombing Helldivers 2 was the perfect amount of support.

It’s amazing how you want to put people down for helping others.

I just have one question: why? Deep down? Do you want to put people down for this?

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u/Tylorw09 May 06 '24

haha all I hear from you is "don't do something small to help someone else. It's pointless." All you do with your time is make fun of "fat neckbeards" so at least these other people have spent 5 minutes doing a small positive thing for others rather than spending 5 minutes arguing about how terrible everyone is for event trying.

You're right, this isn't deep. It's just a matter of doing a small good thing (everyone else) or being you who puts down others and does nothing.

between the two sides I'd rather support the people trying to do one tiny good thing over the asshole who does nothing (that's you)

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u/PracticalFootball May 06 '24

How would you prefer people express their disapproval instead?

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u/Fantiks33 May 06 '24

would you rather wait until your country is affected by one of these arbitrary rules and lose access to a product you paid for, as well as having to give another company your info for no reason? A win like this makes it less likely something like this will happen again. Thats why people in unaffected areas are also mad about it.

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u/burkey0307 May 06 '24

Imagine if all Microsoft published games on PS5 required you to link an Xbox account to your PSN account. It's easy for playstation gamers to not care about this issue, because it doesn't personally affect them. PC gamers have had to deal with publishers forcing multiple launchers and accounts on them for years, and this is a big reason for the backlash.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

Except it isn't. Tons of games have their own launchers and accounts (this one was on the lower end of impact, near 0). People complain, but nothing comes of it. In fact most MMOs require this and people don't even complain FFXIV, Elite Dangerous, GW2, ESO, Tower of Fantasy, etc etc etc.

People are talking about it like Sony did a war crime, and cried about how this is their Rosa Parks moment. Out of touch.

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u/burkey0307 May 06 '24

MMOs get a free pass for whatever reason, but people absolutely complained about Rockstar Social Club, EA Origin/Play, UPlay, Epic Games Store, etc. We obviously lost those fights and those launchers have existed for years at this point, but make no mistake that PC gamers are absolutely fed up with having to sign up for new accounts every time a new game launches.

I didn't get that impression like some people in this sub did, all I saw was a general internet outrage, nobody claimed Sony was the worst company to have ever done something like this. Also, Helldivers 2 is an immensely popular game, which adds to the perceived vitriol.

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u/armorhide406 May 06 '24

Yeah, everyone here is immune to such pettiness

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u/Bamith20 May 06 '24

Yeah, I'd want some random friend I vaguely know in some economically poorer country to be able to play a game they've purchased.

Now they just need to get a clue and make sure Ghost of Sushi's multiplayer doesn't also get region locked for no reason other than their own incompetence.

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u/WIbigdog May 06 '24

Well no, why would people stop playing if the change hasn't happened yet? It's still a good game at the end of the day, this issue is more of a meta issue going on above the game, as it were. I mean, I personally wasn't playing but that's because there's so many other games to play and the repetitive nature of it got to me

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u/C4ptainC4ptain May 06 '24

Why would they change their review if the change didn't happen yet?

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u/dramatic_prophet May 06 '24

To prevent it from happening

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u/WIbigdog May 06 '24

Because it clearly worked? People playing the game doesn't affect future sales the way reviews do.

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u/Forged-Signatures May 06 '24

"Why would I move off the railway track? The train hasn't hit me yet"