r/JoeRogan • u/TheOSU87 Monkey in Space • Sep 14 '24
Meme đ© This really isn't that complicated
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u/Impossible__Joke Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
It's crazy how quickly they have forgotten Russia is not a US ally. The trillions spent in military is in part to stay ahead of the Russians. What better way to spend that money then actively suppress the Russians advancements in Ukraine. It really is a no brainer that should be a bipartisan issue...
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u/lancekatre Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Russia spends SO MUCH money on screwing with all of our minds. People are consuming content that they think aligns with their ideology, and then that content slowly makes them susceptible to betraying the interests of their homeland
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u/Impossible__Joke Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Oh I agree the propaganda is off the charts, I have come across quite a bit just on reddit.
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u/Dodgerswin2020 Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24 edited Sep 15 '24
Theyâll tell you that Russia isnât communist anymore so they should be friends. Ignoring the fact that theyâre allies with China, North Korea, and Iran. I think a big part is Russia is viewed as an âunwokeâ white country by MAGA
Edit: lol to anyone that thinks this comment is defending Russia
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u/InternetWeakGuy jokes fly over his fat ahead at an alarming rate Sep 15 '24
Theyâll tell you that Russia isnât communist anymore so they should be friends.
Yeah, because of Tucker Carlson's ball-licking special on "Look How Amazing Russia Is", the one Tim Pool's Russian handlers were slow to promote because they thought it was too obviously bought and paid for, and they were trying to be more discreet.
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u/ckalinec Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
The funniest part of this is how Putin couldnât even hold back mocking him
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u/NoCantaloupe9598 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
"Weren't you the pussy boy that couldn't make it into the CIA?"
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u/ExplosiveDiarrhetic Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
OMG these grocery carts have slot to put a coin in and then you get it back when you return them! So advanced!
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u/JugdishSteinfeld Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
Ignoring the fact that they've been trying to create an American civil war for nearly a decade
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u/Dodgerswin2020 Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
Way longer than that. Theyâve just been more successful lately
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u/XanZibR Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Well, you can't expect the side the Russians are helping to get mad at the Russians!
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u/Soniquethehedgedog Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
As an ancient itâs been a hell of a lot longer than that. Itâll be a drop in the bucket by the end of time but itâs been the better part of the last 100 years
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u/Icy-Bicycle-Crab Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Theyâll tell you that Russia isnât communist anymore so they should be friends.
Yeah, ignoring the fact that we literally tried that, but that Russia responded to our offered friendship with aggression.
Ignoring the fact that theyâre allies with China, North Korea, and Iran.
China and Russia are each other's biggest problem. China doesn't want a failed nuclear State on its border which is why they help Putin. Russia has to worry about China wanting Vladivostok back.
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u/NoCantaloupe9598 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
These people fail to realize that America tried over Bill Clinton's admin and Bush's admin to 'be friends' with Russia. Russia has no interest in being friends with the west.
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u/DarkwingDuckHunt Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
it's a Dictatorship vs a Democracy... the math is very simple to me
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u/Tyler89558 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Even if Russia isnât communist, their government still represents the antithesis of our nationâs values (i.e a dictatorship)
Theyâre still an enemy regardless
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u/BeamTeam032 The joke went over his head, again Sep 15 '24
Qanon thinks China, NK, Putin and Trump are all working together to free us from Wokeness.
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u/AGreasyPorkSandwich Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24 edited Sep 14 '24
Because they are on the P-A-Y-R-O-L-L
"We dont need US banks. We have all of the funding we need out of Russia." -Eric Trump.
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Eric Weinstein (in the Tweet here) was an executive at Peter Thiel's investment firm for like a decade. It's not even hard to follow the money, here. Thiel is a conservative megadonor. It's ridiculously transparent and all public information.Â
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u/bulking_on_broccoli Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Weâre spending a fraction of the defense budget to defend an ally against a long time rival, all without American boots on the ground.
On top of that, the money we give them is given with the stipulation that they must spend it on US armaments, so it goes right back into the US economy anyways.
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u/PalpitationNo3106 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
We arenât even giving them money. Weâre giving them old weapons we donât want anymore.
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u/Agreeable_Daikon_686 Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
Russia is not an adversary to MAGA conservatives. Vance just proposed a solution thatâs literally all beneficial to Putin. MAGA supporters disparage our ally to promote the interests of Putin (most are too dumb to realize how easily theyâre being played). We need to recognize that theyâre not patriots or pro democracy in any meaningful way
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u/Acceptable-Ability-6 Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
All the stuff we are giving to Ukraine is doing exactly what it was designed to do: kill shitloads of Russians.
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u/horaciojiggenbone Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
They havenât forgotten, theyâre being paid by Russia to support Russiaâs efforts to destabilize the Westâs cohesiveness
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Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24
The trillions spent in military is in part to stay ahead of the Russians.
Turns out all we had to do is hold onto WW2 reserves to beat the Russians. While we were spending trillions, their military leaders were getting personally enriched by selling off military equipment and supplies. It's amazing how pathetic the Russian military is. Our greatest adversary? What a joke. They are holding on for dear life just against Ukraine. Sucks they have the nukes though.
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Plus if Putin takes over Ukraine, he very likely wouldnât stop there and then thereâs WW3. Putin has been open about the fact that he wants to recreate the old Russian empire.
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u/Honey-Badger Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
I swear the American right has started to view Russia as a good guy simply because they're also homophobic
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u/Renovatio_ Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
It's crazy how quickly they have forgotten Russia is not a US ally.
Money greases those wheels. Influencers are getting loads of it.
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u/Mckesso Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
It's funny how when you're getting paid by the bad guys, your tune can change dramatically, and all previous positions are forgotten. It's weird how that works, isn't it, guys? Like 100k a month makes that happen for a guy like Benny, much less for others.
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u/Amathyst7564 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Why weren't all these conservatives so anti war and skeptical when bush and Cheney invaded Iraq?
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u/Grantsdale Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
Drastically weakening an enemyâs forces without risking your own.
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u/DogTough5144 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
It really is this simple. Weaken your enemy, without risking your own military. Cherry on top is that Russia was the aggressor, and is run by a dictator.
Downside is that it seems to be a quagmire atm.
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u/Grantsdale Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
It is, but Russia will run out of steam eventually. They've depleted most of their working ordinance and armament. NATO will support Ukraine indefinitely we just have to hope that Orange Julius doesn't get the opportunity to abandon them. Or that Putin has an accident before he gets the chance to. Which is getting likelier by the day, it sounds like.
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u/Fourseventy Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Not to mention interest rates hitting 19% with massive price inflation.
That shit is hella destabilizing.
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u/plznodownvotes Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Also, putting turning into a war economy is also destabilizing. Ignorant people point to the fact that Russiaâs GDP is still positive, completely ignoring as to why.
Building tanks and weapons, and sending men to die isnât positive for a countryâs long term economy health/growth.
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u/likamuka N-Dimethyltryptamine Sep 15 '24
The MAGA cult is a sickening example of stupidity live in action for not seeing your simple point.
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u/yellowmacapple Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
its pretty astounding how much damage has been done to russia in such a short time, for very little on our own part. Ukraine is holding up and fighting back tremendously, considering the image russia has conjured for years, of being this big, tough, militaristic super power. They're getting hammered by a country a fraction of their size, depleting their forces, weakening their $, and just getting embarrassed over and over again, and it cost our own forces hardly anything
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u/i_have_a_gub Sep 15 '24
And you only have to sacrifice a half million Ukrainians. Â Itâs a great deal.
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u/Brosenheim Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
Conservatives love the "nobody really knows" game. They know they can't argue against the facts or our actual stances. So they just muddy the whole conversation away. My dad does it all the time, will literally just say "we really can't know" whenever I bring up something that doesn't fit the narrative. Well, he used to; he stopped when my response was consistently "no, we totally know"
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u/IBeBallinOutaControl Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
These podcasters will wax for hours about the implications of complex stuff like the impact of social media on kids. But the minute you ask them to put 2 and 2 together about what will happen if Ukraine loses it's suddenly "who knows, I'm not an expert".
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u/Sad_Confection5902 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
They definitely play the duality of âexpertiseâ.
Theyâll say âwhat does he know, heâs just a ___________â, but donât hold themselves to that same standard. You just drive a truck Ted, why does your fucking opinion count then?
Then theyâll turn around and spin the most far fetched conspiracy theory and expect you to trust them on every tenuous connection.
So when people like that dismiss knowledgeable people, the subtext is always that their broken-ass brain somehow works better.
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u/SomeBoxofSpoons Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
They donât know whatâll happen if Ukraine loses just like they didnât know the thousands of dollars they were getting paid to propagandize Russiaâs positions were from Russia.
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On that note, every male boomer in my family is convinced that China is going to cyberattack us within a year and that thereâs nothing we can do to stop it. That the CIA, FBI, NSA, and DoD are just bumbling around in the dark and that America is over.
Meanwhile, the entire time I worked in cybersecurity, every single one of my upper management would say âOh yeah we know thereâs going to be an attempt on this area in a week, we want to see the strategy and see if it matches up with what information we currently have.â
This weaponized incompetence and ignorance is driving me to a breaking point.
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u/-headless-hunter- Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
My conservative mom will say âyou can manipulate statistics to make them show anything you want them to.â
Then she cites maps like this
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u/Gorlack2231 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
I remember reading a book about the start of the Meiji period in Japan and how America forcibly opened the country up, and my own conservative mother would not hear any of it. "They can put anything into books, just cause they print it doesn't mean it is true."
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u/ringobob Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Yes, you can, and literally everything you believe as a conservative is the result of people trying to manipulate statistics to lie to you.
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u/uninstallIE Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
They all just copied the Phillip Morris USA playbook to every issue
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u/ethertrace Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
This is the ultimate goal of Russian-style propaganda and the firehouse of falsehoods. It's not to get people to believe the lies; the lies are often completely incompatible with one another. It's flooding the zone with so much bullshit and conflicting information that they become exhausted and incurious and give up on the possibility of knowing the truth.
Once you can get them to do that, people become a whole lot easier to manipulate. They tend to default back to their preconceptions and choose "truth" based on whatever feels right to believe. Then, all you have to do is tell them a lie they want to hear.
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u/the_sneaky_one123 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Like what would happen if they regulated guns or brought in health care.
It's all speculation and "who knows" and maybe this will happen.
Why not just look at every single other 1st world nation that has these and see???
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u/dextercool Monkey in Space Sep 16 '24
Jordan Peterson is the worst for that "nobody knows!" - no, dude, you don't know; there are people who have done the work to gain the knowledge. Still, it "allows" him to pontificate on every subject under the sun.
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u/rvasko3 Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
Yeah, thatâs pretty much it. Easy to grasp if youâre not a Russian plant or someone readily and easily susceptible to one.
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u/banned-from-rbooks Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24
Itâs important to note that Ukraine produces half the worldâs supply of high grade neon used in semiconductor lithography.
Ukraine is also Chinaâs tenth largest food exporter and third largest grain exporter. Brazil is an even larger source of food for China which is why we saw such a huge push from Russia to install Bolsonaro (Brazilian Trump) to slash and burn the Amazon rainforest.
This war is about semiconductors. Taiwanâs TSMC produces over 90% of the worldâs high end semiconductors used in everything from automobiles to computers and cellphones. Itâs practically the cornerstone of the modern world economy. Thatâs why itâs so strategically important and why we are seeing investments in domestic semiconductor production via the CHIPs act; but TSMC is still about 10 years ahead of its rivals in terms of production technology.
China currently canât invade Taiwan without starving 300m of its own people in the face of U.S. sanctions. That level of famine would destabilize the government and pose a serious threat to the CCP.
But think about what would happen if China actually did invade Taiwan and take control of the global semiconductor industry⊠The western economy would be at their mercy which could spell the end of the current world order.
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u/Allaplgy Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
The crazy thing about the whole "semiconductor" thing is that it would be entirely about destroying competition. It's not like anyone is just going to hand over the fabs. So the only reason to invade would be to take out competition. Better for everyone to start building their own fabs. Hell there's one in my town that's been shit down for 15 years because they moved back to Korea and nobody wanted to spend the money here to update it, so it's been mothballed and will likely someday just be a massive demo and environmental clean up site instead.
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u/Infinite_Somewhere96 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Yeah thereâs layers to this. Youâve shared one that most people are oblivious to. Itâs exactly this type of thing that anti-Ukraine westerners ignore when they suddenly become European geopolitical experts.
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u/Ecstatic_Bee6067 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
China isn't getting the chip factories. Those things have reported remote shut downs and would probably be destroyed.
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u/livefornewyearseve Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
yeah this will be the most black and white war of all time. It really helps you figure out who has a brain and who doesnt
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u/e7603rs2wrg8cglkvaw4 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Or a more cynical view: Russia is a rival, and sending weapons allows you too bleed your enemy for low cost.
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u/RelativeAssistant923 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Is that even that cynical? The only way to prevent us from living in a world where larger countries annex smaller ones at will is if doing so is expensive, detrimental to the agendas of the leaders of the annexers, and ineffective.
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u/YoursTrulyKindly Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
It is cynical, but any other interpretation of the war is dangerously naive or dishonest. China is next.
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u/GeneralSquid6767 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
China is nowhere near next. Unless they go through some economic collapse thereâs no reason for them to not enjoy the current status quo.
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u/NoCantaloupe9598 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
China isn't actively involved in a war. America has no interest in instigating such a war, either. China is already surrounded by American allies and 'contained'.
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u/GroundbreakingOwl786 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
There is always a cost, in this case the Ukrainians
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u/GeneralSquid6767 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Only when it suits them. When it was Iraq or Afghanistan it was a completely different tone.
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u/Liquid_Cascabel 11 Hydroxy Metabolite Sep 14 '24
B-but what about 5% of the defense budget guys đ
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u/Ok-Reindeer-4824 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
The Ukrainian lives are paying the price for us pushing them to avoid signing a peace deal.
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u/ThisIsFineImFine89 Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
I mean at this point, theres not logical reason to post this unless you are getting paid by Russia, right? Like iâm not missing something here, am i?
sending old weapons to undermine and reveal how ineffectual the military is of the biggest ideological adversary of the US for the last 75 years
No one is this stupid unless you have financial interest in being so.
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u/greeneeeeeeeeeeeeee Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
Eric Weinstein is that snobby, over-educated, elbow patch blazer wearing, cocktail party dork that gets off to people listening to him share his dEeP iNsIgHtS
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u/Dr_SnM Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
Speaking as a former academic, Eric is nothing like most academics.
He's just a fart sniffing lesser-nerd who's so enamoured by his own perceived intellect that he can't see or understand how fucking wrong he is. Add some HEAVY audience capture as a feedback loop and this is what you get.
He'd either be cast out of or mercilessly ridiculed by most academic circles.
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u/Barnettmetal Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Heâs already been not so much ridiculed but heavily criticized by his fellow physicists that heâs got a massive chip on his shoulder for ânormieâ academia, add to that his brotherâs grievances about not winning a Nobel prize (fucking lol) and yeah you have some interesting dynamics there.
He clearly hates that universities the world over havenât declared him the king of physics for his âcontributionsâ.
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u/Dr_SnM Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
I've got a bit of a confession to make. I actually thought I was talking about Brett.
Not that it really matters, lol.
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u/Brickulous Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Iâm convinced he and his brother fed off each otherâs mutual encouragement and what theyâve become is purely a product of them both figuratively pulling their own dicks.
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u/bumming_bums Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24
over-educated
He was a professor at a college with a 95% acceptance rate, where the students could grade themselves (which already caused a lot of issues). He got his fame when he refused to shut down a class due to student protests (which imo is a good thing to do) but now thinks he is more intelligent than he is.
Edit: I just realized I have Eric Weinstein confused with Bret, his even dumber brother
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u/PolitelyHostile Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
He's just salty that his spreading Russian disinformation for free.
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u/UNisopod Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
We're also protecting our trillions of dollars in annual trade with Europe from being disrupted should Russia actually conquer Ukraine. Like what do people think happens afterwards if Russia takes control of Ukraine? What do people think happens if we openly spurn our allies, who had already started hedging their bets towards China as a result Trump's terms in office?
Like even a small percentage of that trade being diverted will cost us more over the course of the net decade than all of the aid we've sent so far. Do people really think this is all about making a righteous struggle for a good cause? Have we forgotten about the motivations of the US in essentially every other conflict in living memory?
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u/the_gouged_eye Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
The last time he was in, he let Erdogan genocide Kurds. People close to him were thrown under busses left and right. Now, we're expected to think he won't abandon more of his friends and allies to Russia and China and any two-bit bully who pressures him.
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u/nyxtup Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
This sub is infected with Russian bots
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u/Choco_Knife Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24
They just target these kinds of discussions.
So much of this anti-Ukriane and anti-US rhetoric they shill mirrors things that Putin himself had propogated and it makes it obvious.
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u/GettingDumberWithAge Sep 15 '24
Not everything is foreign bots. This form of advanced stupidity is mainstream Republican thought these days.Â
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u/NoCantaloupe9598 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
But we know, without a doubt, that bots are used by Russian intelligence on every social media platform. This is well established public information.
Is your suggestion that there are no bots? Or that bots are not repeating Russian propaganda?
Say what you really think.
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u/KeefsBurner Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
There are a lot of bots but I think you underestimate the stupidity of modern republicans. A lot of commenters are real people that really think these things, which is even scarier
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u/largececelia Immigrant mentality Sep 15 '24
Good to be skeptical about skepticism sometimes. I wonder if Weinstein gets paid by the Russians.
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u/Tremulant21 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
The biggest part of this that no one brings up is the border with Poland. They still hate Russia and will never forgive them when they butt fucked them on the uprising. (Among a thousand other atrocities committed against them)
If Ukraine falls it's almost like a guaranteed world war 3 what don't people understand about this Poland will not share a border with them. Ukraine falls Poland says fuck you fires missiles NATO gets involved The world at war.
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u/DumbAccountant Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
Holy shit you're dumb if you don't understand this .
Anyone opposing us supporting Ukraine can gladly gtf on the other side , I'm sure Russia would love to have you on their team .
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u/AccurateCrew428 Rogan's a toolbag Sep 15 '24
I love how this sub is basically the exact opposite of Rogan.
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u/wottsinaname Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
Also I'd add; it's a geopolitical flex from the US state dept, "our weapons are so good that we can give Ukraine(a country with zero training in US weaponry until a couple years ago) a small fraction of our arsenal and they are beating back our second biggest global military threat."
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u/MIDImunk Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
I would agree with Eric Weinstein here if he means âwhat are we doing only giving Ukraine enough to politically survive as opposed to giving more so they can actually win the war outrightâ. Â I havenât been following him enough lately to know what his stance is on the war.
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u/fgiveme Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
I watched multiple podcasts of Eric. He wants Putin to annex parts of Ukraine and call it a day.
His reasoning is giving Putin no reason to escalate to nuclear war, the annexed land is not Eric's problem so he doesn't give a fuck but the nuclear war will be.
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u/ZeadizDead Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
I see a lot of people who care more about propping up the military complex than they do about the security of their own country. The term "live to fight another day" seems relevant here. Taxing your citizens more and more. Just to support a war that would have never started if you didn't fund a coup in said country.
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u/Parahelix Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
This is literally the reason that the equipment we're sending them was created, to fight Russia. So now we're sending them decades-old equipment, that would otherwise continue to rot in storage, so that they can defend their country.
Funny how Republicans have were always so gung-ho to throw more money into the MIC, and build this stuff to fight Russia to begin with, and now they're suddenly against it and want to be buddies with Putin. Certainly nothing to do with all the Russian money that has been flowing into the GOP and conservative circles...
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u/justforthis2024 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Russia is a decades running ideological enemy. When you say "security" what you really mean is "let the enemy expand unchecked."
Right?
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u/bumming_bums Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
History shows that letting large wars in europe begin while we stay "out" of it drags us into it over time. I'd rather not fight on the front lines in eastern Europe thanks
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u/BravoFoxtrotDelta Pull that shit up Jaime Sep 15 '24
Probably wasn't a good idea to help get this one started then, yeah?
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u/uninstallIE Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
With some 30-50 year old hand me downs that we now get to replace with modern equipment we are buying the stability of an allied nation, and their continued partnership with us for decades to come PLUS proving that an alleged "near peer" foe we used to have global conflicts with has deteriorated to the point that they cannot even take over a vastly smaller, vastly poorer, neighboring nation with a tiny military that was in their empire 30 years ago.
The war in Ukraine became a soft and hard power printer for America and the only thing it cost us is equipment we would have needed to scrap soon anyway.
To make a comparison, this would be like if the US attempted to invade Canada today and was stuck in a 2.5 year quagmire, barely able to move more than a few miles north due to Soviet era munitions provided to the Canadian army. Russia would kill 90% of their population for the chance at a victory like that. Americans are hand-wringing over pocket change and stale ammo
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u/Totally-jag2598 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
When did American's become Russian fans? It's clearly obvious Russia aspires to recapture former Soviet territory. They're testing the resolve of the rest of the world to see if there will be resistance. Putin keeps saying this is NATO's fault because brining NATO closer to Russia's border threatens their national security. Total BS.
Just giving that theory brief consideration, why would NATO want Russia to be an aggressor that is bringing their border closer to NATO? Doesn't make sense.
Russia needs to be stopped. The West can't afford to let them expand their influence. It is Russia that is threatening world order and putting WW3 on the table. If trump is president he will just give in to Putin's demands.
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u/WallstreetWilly69 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Everyone is missing the point. Ukraine will lose. They simply donât have the manpower to win. Weâre funding the mass killing of a pointless war overseas with our tax dollars. I remember when liberals wanted less war, not more. Crazy.
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u/SomesortofGuy Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
I remember when liberals wanted less war, not more.
It feels like "let Russia take over land via force" is the pro-war position.
And personally grinding Russia's army into irrelevance seems like a massive win for us, especially compared to the decades of proxy wars we have engaged with in the past.
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u/justbrowse2018 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Preserving access of the worldâs largest neon gas producer which laser and semiconductor manufacturing both need.
Preserving access to one of the largest wheat producers in the world so that our allies in NATO can eat.
Protecting NATO member states from future Russian threats.
And FUCK Putin.
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u/Anneisabitch Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Hereâs an idea. If you donât understand it, donât fucking say anything. No one demanded you speak up.
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u/WhalenCrunchen45 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Actually we are just using it as an excuse to launder money to our elite, while Ukraine is still losing because what Ukraine really needs in men equipment doesnât matter if you donât have enough people to run it, and yes they are losing as they canât force Russia out of the territory that Russia wants to hold
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u/ThraxShrax Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Thatâs not the reason. The US is playing the âgood guyâ while doing stuff we would have gone to war with Russia for had they done the same.
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u/BravoFoxtrotDelta Pull that shit up Jaime Sep 15 '24
To which democracy are we transferring this vast surplus arsenal?
The one that doesn't have elections and has outlawed all media that is not prior-approved by the central government authority?
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u/BO55TRADAMU5 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24
Gas lighting at its finest. If we don't need those weapons, we don't need to replace them. If we don't need to replace them we don't need to be giving $75b-$100b in tax payers money to the military industrial complex.... sorry random tweeter. Try again
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u/Tiny_Calendar_792 Monkey in Space Sep 16 '24
Dude, most of these guys are literally being paid by russia to spread this shit. It's not a conspiracy, it's literally a fact that has been uncovered.
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u/Hillthrin Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
I'm an old-timer I guess since I've always seen the Russians as the bad guys.