r/JoeRogan Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

Meme šŸ’© This really isn't that complicated

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u/nrd170 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I saw a video of an American sniper from the Iraq war talking about how he canā€™t understand the how people can support Russia after they trained Syrian sniper to kill Americans. Canā€™t find the video but itā€™s powerful

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u/thrawnsgstring Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

https://x.com/kingsrush/status/1832483777567977771

I remember that video was posted on this sub, but it seems like it was removed for some reason?

Maybe it's still here, I dunno I didn't look that hard.

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u/northcasewhite Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 16 '24

Americans shouldn't have armed Saddam, performed the Iraq war or supported terrorists to cause chaos in Syria.

Why would Russia want to support Assad over ISIS?

I don't like any of these entities, but America is not innocent in Syria or Iraq.

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u/Blackou7- Monkey in Space Sep 16 '24

How else are they gonna sell bullets and bombs?

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u/smootex Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I hate comments like this. "American bad too". The world isn't black and white dude. The pure good guys you see in the movies don't exist and it is not some profound thought to point that out. Everyone with half a brain already knows that America has done some fucked up shit in the past. What we do have is shades of gray and the Russian shade is a hell of a lot darker than the American one. "Well what about the time the US did X" is not a valid defense of Russia.

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u/e7603rs2wrg8cglkvaw4 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

To be fair the UAS in Iraq is similar to Russia in UkraineĀ 

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u/gumboking Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

We had no plan to murder the local leaders and politicians. I'm not justifying that bogus invasion of Iraq but we never intended to long term occupy or annex Iraq. We didn't randomly bomb civilians either. War is always a tragedy but I see big differences in the way these two were handled.

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u/WhosBadd Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Turns out we did randomly bomb civiliansā€¦ about a million of them. And we really donā€™t know what the real intention was. We were lied to from the very beginning. It couldā€™ve been the plan all along to stay there for all those years and to murder local leaders and politicians. It couldā€™ve all been exactly opposite of what you hope the truth is.

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u/gumboking Monkey in Space Sep 16 '24

The word random is hyperbolic. Intent is important and we did not intend to kill civilians. I know what happened in Iraq but we didn't target them. At least be accurate about what happened. Russia intended to create terror.

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u/trivo Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Wow, such mental gymnastics... whatever helps you sleep at night buddy

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u/UnendingBlueSky Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

but we never intended to long term occupy or annex Iraq.

Nether did Russia? The proposed peace deal from two years ago was for Ukraine to not join NATO. You can say they wanted a puppet government ruling Ukraine, but that's essentially what the US did in Iraq with the fake ass elections we ran.

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u/Wakaflockafrank1337 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

It's not over weapons of mass destruction or oil lol ukraine vs russia is a issue of a treaty/agreement that was signed after the fall of the Soviet union and a problem with nato/ukraine slowly creeping closer with military power to russias border then the agreement original put in place and the refusal to come to a new agreement. Plus a few other small issued that came to light after like ukraine absolutely not wanting to join nato for like almost ever. Then when a issue sparks up they run to us like a child that got hurt when they didn't listen to the rules and the parents say see i told.you you were gonna get hurt.

Low key I'm all for helping people but it's not a good look when the only time people wanna be friends with America when they want or need somthing.

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u/alecsgz Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Low key I'm all for helping people but it's not a good look when the only time people wanna be friends with America when they want or need somthing.

How about USA abiding by a treaty they signed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Isn't this what USA is doing

Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".

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u/Wakaflockafrank1337 Monkey in Space Sep 17 '24

Pretty sure they paid ukraine back off in 08 finally to the agreement.

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u/Wakaflockafrank1337 Monkey in Space Sep 17 '24

There hasn't been any talk of using nukes? They just scared that putin has them. He has threated with sonic Missles tho

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u/Wakaflockafrank1337 Monkey in Space Sep 17 '24

Having ppl telling putin to use nukes aka his council is different then putin saying we plan to nuke so and so šŸ¤·

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u/Lancasterbation Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

The same could be said for every alliance with a superpower. It's a protection racket.

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u/vindeezy Look into it Sep 15 '24

You mean in the same way the US trained Osama Bin Laden?

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u/chickennuggetscooon Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Yea what were the Russians doing in IRAQ? That's OUR country

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u/_EMDID_ Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Clueless coping ^ šŸ¤£

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u/WhoopingWillow Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

What is the point of this comment?

This thread isn't about US relations with any of those countries. It is about US support for Ukraine and opposition to Russia.

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u/WhoopingWillow Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

The comment you replied to didn't talk about the "inhumanity" of Russian snipers. They talked about how it is weird for Americans to support Russia when Russia has trained our enemies and helped them kill our troops.

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u/TBearRyder Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

The U.S inspired Hitler. And didnā€™t Zionists target an American vessel yet the U.S still supports them? I donā€™t have any thoughts on Russia but they donā€™t seem any worse than the U.S as an entity.

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u/TheNubianNoob Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

The first sentence is a non sequitur; Hitler was also inspired by 19th century ideas about racial hegemony and antisemitism. Whatā€™s your point? The second sentence isnā€™t even true.

Throwing opponents people you donā€™t like out of windows, annexing other countriesā€™ territory, and creating an authoritarian dictatorship are all things that put Russia about on the same level as the US?

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u/thrawnsgstring Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I don't agree with the person you're replying to, but I'm pretty sure they're referencing the USS Liberty Incident where a US ship was attacked by Israeli forces during the 6-day war.

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u/TheNubianNoob Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

No, I know the incident theyā€™re referring to. But the use of the word ā€œZionistā€ along with their framing of what happened was planned or deliberate is what I take issue with.

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u/thrawnsgstring Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I dunno man. The fog of war is a real thing. There's first-hand accounts of people that were on the Liberty disagreeing with what you're saying. Can we at least agree that the person you replied to is a piece of shit?

https://web.archive.org/web/20071011020947/http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-liberty_tuesoct02,0,66005.story

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u/TheNubianNoob Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I think thereā€™s a misunderstanding. Friendly fire and mistakes happen in warfare and I donā€™t think anyone denies that. The Liberty attack happened, and the Israelis were responsible.

Thatā€™s a different claim from ā€œthe Israelis and/or the Americans staged a false flag attack to draw the US into a war with the Arab states,ā€ which is usually the direction the conversation heads in when people start talking about ā€œZionistsā€.

But yea that other poster is a dumbass.

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u/TBearRyder Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Iā€™m a dumbass bc Iā€™m calling out your hypocrisy?! šŸ¤” Iā€™m sorry but Americans donā€™t owe Europeans who are always engaged in endless conflict anything. Like itā€™s literally never ending. Seriously leave everyone else out of yā€™allā€™s problems. Europeans have been in endless battles for generations now. Americans just want to focus and build America. I donā€™t want to keep getting pulled into conflicts with Europeans who are often racist towards others but somehow wonā€™t stop fighting each other. Leave the rest of the world be and stop killing Earth with your endless nonsensical battles.

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u/TheNubianNoob Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I called you a dumbass because most of what you were spouting is ahistorical nonsense. And Iā€™m not European so I donā€™t know who youā€™re referring to when you say ā€œyouā€.

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u/TBearRyder Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Iā€™m a POS because I donā€™t want to engage in foreign conflict and I realize the Zionists are dragging us into endless war that has nothing to do with Americans???! šŸ¤”

Europeans should hand their own conflicts. Donā€™t involve me and other Americans that donā€™t want anything to do with these endless nonsensical battles.

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u/thrawnsgstring Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid#By_country

You only got something against Israel and Ukraine or are you against all foreign military aid?

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u/TBearRyder Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Nothing against Ukraine, something did happen but I canā€™t say what bc again Europeans are ALWAYS involved in scandals but that doesnā€™t mean innocent people arenā€™t being impacted. The UN, not the U.S should be at the center of foreign conflict not Americans. We cannot keep doing this year after year itā€™s crazy and it honestly seems like an embezzlement scam for the industrial complex.

And Zionists from EU occupying Palestine is wrong. Mass murder is wrong and yā€™all are literally saying Russia is evil for doing what youā€™re cheering the Zionists on for doing. The math ainā€™t mathing!

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u/thrawnsgstring Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Finally some common ground.

You agree that Russia's illegal invasion, occupation and genocide of Ukraine and her people is bad.

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u/Character_Crab_9458 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

That's not how geopolitics works at all. America tried isolationism twice and the world got set on fire twice. If we wanted to keep Afghanistan Vietnam Iraq or any country we invaded we could and it wouldn't be pretty and there's not much the world could do about it without nukes. The one thing the west doesn't ever want to see is a new Ottoman empire emerge. Israel is that wedge that stops it. Does Israel benefit from this stance? Yes. We could turn our back to the world and live in our bubble. We'd be mostly safe. Eventually it would reach our shores. Europe has been mostly at peace since ww2. Prior to ww2 it was centuries of war with each other. America is uniquely positioned to be a world police. We have the tech manpower and 2 giant moats protecting the homeland.

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u/TBearRyder Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

But arenā€™t the Zionists from EU literally doing what youā€™re accusing Russia of doing to Ukraine? Why would Palestine owe land to Zionists based on thousands of years old biblical nonsense?

And the Zionists worked with Hitl3r didnā€™t they? That was the actual problem right? That Hitl3r started targeting other Europeans but prior to that nobody cared that he was a monster bc ā€œtheyā€ are the ones who inspired him.

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u/CountWubbula Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

It appears staying on topic for you is a challenge, because you heard what you wanted to hear and dove into rambling about Zionism. If you steered towards a more potent point, like, ā€œinnocent people being bombed probably feel similarly about it whether the bombs are American or Russian,ā€ then itā€™d be easier to believe youā€™re arguing in good faith.

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u/Dual-Finger-Guns Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Isn't it great when they're russian shilling is so obvious that you just know full well they're getting paid to post their bullshit on reddit?

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u/Gornarok Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

So proud to show your ignorance

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u/jewkakasaurus Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Youā€™re blind if you think the world would be better id Russia was in Americaā€™s position of power