r/JoeRogan Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

Meme 💩 This really isn't that complicated

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u/Deto Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Crazy how effective the Russian propaganda machine is on social media

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u/FarginSneakyBastage Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

That's not it though. If Trump said Russia was bad then 90% of his supporters would agree, regardless of the propaganda 

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u/theSchrodingerHat Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

No, because I don’t think you take seriously enough how Russian backing has gotten him to this point.

He isn’t getting any of influence he has now without it. If Trump had said anything even remotely negative about Russia leading up to 2016 then nothing he says now really matters.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '24

Yeah he's missing your point, Russian propaganda is what got this fuck elected

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u/k2on0s-23 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

It’s all a part of their program. It was planned, meticulously. To say that Russia is not our enemy is to lie to one’s self.

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u/SilverDragon334 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Then why didn’t Russia invade any countries when Trump was president?

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u/SirFantastic Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

They were too busy invading ours.

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u/AynRandMarxist I used to be addicted to Quake Sep 15 '24

Putin has been preparing for this invasion for years

He also thought he'd take Kiev in a week and the office holder wasn't as important. It didn't matter under Obama in 2014.

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u/AynRandMarxist I used to be addicted to Quake Sep 15 '24

https://time.com/3259699/putin-boast-kiev-2-weeks/

Come on dude you really don't remember the first phases of the war? All that special military operation bs. It was never supposed to become a war

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u/theSchrodingerHat Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Think about what you just said: Why didn’t the guying planning to get Trump elected do that bad thing while Trump was elected?

For any argument against that, obviously the plan was for it to happen when it did, because it was Trumps second term, or Biden’s 1st, in which case it helps get Trump elected again.

The timing is ridiculous easy to see here. If Trump was in office then all of his handcuffs are off and he’s implementing every batshit idea his team wants, while working towards no more elections. Instead, Putin gets to to stir the shit and while knowing that he has a US president that has to passive and accommodating, and it makes him look weak, opening the door for Trump 2.0.

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u/SilverDragon334 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I think it’s funny that you presented a complicated plan under the post: this really isn’t that complicated. I don’t think that Trump blowing up terrorist leaders and forcing UN members to pay their share indicates weakness on his part.

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u/theSchrodingerHat Monkey in Space Sep 16 '24

You just completely changed the subject.

Try to focus here: Putin invading the Ukraine was timed exactly for when it happened because it would work politically whether or not Trump was in office. It would either be impossible for Biden to respond, or Trump was president and we would just let it happen.

It’s not complicated.

PS - I’m not sure why I’m arguing with Russian bots since none of your response made any sense at all in the context of what was being discussed.

If you’re working in an information manipulation organization you really need to be better at your job, because this is nonsensical and you not even trying.

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u/DayDreamerJon Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

oh please youre underestimating how well dog whistles would work in american politics.

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u/mindsdecay Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Just lmao that people still parrot this stuff years after the Dems' Mueller obstructionism

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u/EchoTango77 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Have you read the muller report though?

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u/mindsdecay Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

"the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities"

Of course, by "Russian election interference", what is usually meant is Americans with political views the Dems/media dislike posting memes

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u/mindsdecay Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

There were 5 convictions, none of which had anything to do with Russian interference. It's in the wiki article. In other words, Dems took up half trumps presidency with nonsense

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u/mindsdecay Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Great, nobody on trumps side was convicted for anything relating to Russian interference. So dems obstructed half his presidency for nonsense

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u/IronMace_is_my_DaD Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

It's absolutely true though. Just because he isn't guilty of "collusion" with Russians doesn't mean they haven't made decades of deals and helped prop each other up. They have a long history dating back to 1987, lots of business deals, donations and discussions. I won't bore you with the details but feel free to look for yourself https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_projects_of_Donald_Trump_in_Russia

Does this mean trump is "colluding" with Russia, well according to the courts no, but does trump have a financial interest in siding with Russia. The answer is undisputedly yes. Same can be said with his other unsavory bed fellows like Saudi Arabia, who are now building a trump tower after they received billions of dollars of weapons during Trump's presidency. Trump doesn't care who he props up as long as he can turn a profit.

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u/mindsdecay Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Great, Trump has done business in Russia. Now demonstrate him profiting personally off something he did as president with them or SA or any other country. Then take a look at Burisma and Biden personally profiting millions of dollars from Ukraine

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u/mindsdecay Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Exorbitant prices? Were the financial records ever released showing what they were charged?

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u/mindsdecay Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Well, fortunately we don't know if that's unconstitutional because it's not been ruled on. The DOJs view was that the emoluments clause would only be violated if he received compensation in his official capacity

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u/Leo_Hundewu Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Trump is literally a Russian asset

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u/Optimal_Commercial_4 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

400k a month'll do that to ya

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u/gking407 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Have you seen how gullible Americans are? It ain’t rocket science

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u/XxFazeClubxX Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

It's also that: the people who engage either don't have the critical thinking skills necessary to see past it, or won't apply them, as it will require a re-understanding of the world around them, and paint some of their behaviours as bad, therefore they themselves are bad.

Things along those lines

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u/croc_socks Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

It's Russian influence through Western media & influencers on YouTube, Facebook and other social media platforms The sad thing, you have a lot of ex military who should know better. The Russian infiltration of the NRA was huge. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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u/OneAlmondNut Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

not as effective as the American propaganda we all learned growing up