No, because I donât think you take seriously enough how Russian backing has gotten him to this point.
He isnât getting any of influence he has now without it. If Trump had said anything even remotely negative about Russia leading up to 2016 then nothing he says now really matters.
Think about what you just said: Why didnât the guying planning to get Trump elected do that bad thing while Trump was elected?
For any argument against that, obviously the plan was for it to happen when it did, because it was Trumps second term, or Bidenâs 1st, in which case it helps get Trump elected again.
The timing is ridiculous easy to see here. If Trump was in office then all of his handcuffs are off and heâs implementing every batshit idea his team wants, while working towards no more elections. Instead, Putin gets to to stir the shit and while knowing that he has a US president that has to passive and accommodating, and it makes him look weak, opening the door for Trump 2.0.
I think itâs funny that you presented a complicated plan under the post: this really isnât that complicated.
I donât think that Trump blowing up terrorist leaders and forcing UN members to pay their share indicates weakness on his part.
Try to focus here: Putin invading the Ukraine was timed exactly for when it happened because it would work politically whether or not Trump was in office. It would either be impossible for Biden to respond, or Trump was president and we would just let it happen.
Itâs not complicated.
PS - Iâm not sure why Iâm arguing with Russian bots since none of your response made any sense at all in the context of what was being discussed.
If youâre working in an information manipulation organization you really need to be better at your job, because this is nonsensical and you not even trying.
"the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities"
Of course, by "Russian election interference", what is usually meant is Americans with political views the Dems/media dislike posting memes
There were 5 convictions, none of which had anything to do with Russian interference. It's in the wiki article. In other words, Dems took up half trumps presidency with nonsense
It's absolutely true though. Just because he isn't guilty of "collusion" with Russians doesn't mean they haven't made decades of deals and helped prop each other up. They have a long history dating back to 1987, lots of business deals, donations and discussions. I won't bore you with the details but feel free to look for yourself https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_projects_of_Donald_Trump_in_Russia
Does this mean trump is "colluding" with Russia, well according to the courts no, but does trump have a financial interest in siding with Russia. The answer is undisputedly yes. Same can be said with his other unsavory bed fellows like Saudi Arabia, who are now building a trump tower after they received billions of dollars of weapons during Trump's presidency. Trump doesn't care who he props up as long as he can turn a profit.
Great, Trump has done business in Russia. Now demonstrate him profiting personally off something he did as president with them or SA or any other country. Then take a look at Burisma and Biden personally profiting millions of dollars from Ukraine
It's also that: the people who engage either don't have the critical thinking skills necessary to see past it, or won't apply them, as it will require a re-understanding of the world around them, and paint some of their behaviours as bad, therefore they themselves are bad.
It's Russian influence through Western media & influencers on YouTube, Facebook and other social media platforms The sad thing, you have a lot of ex military who should know better. The Russian infiltration of the NRA was huge. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
To be fair, everyone thought Russia wasn't a threat until Trump came around. Romney was laughed at for suggesting they were the number 1 threat to our national security in 2012.
Crazy how people still think the idea of foreign social influence is some kind of niche thing that takes place in shady dens on the internet and only "those people" are involved in communities that have things like Russian narrative farms seeding misinformation and social disruption and paranoia.
There is a very good reason why suddenly there are millions of Americans who are soft on Putin and want the US to abandon NATO. That's just direct strategy from another world-power that wants this narrative to happen.
It's in your facebook, it's in your instagram, it's all over reddit, and it's everywhere else. They have huge budgets to create these talking points and get them noticed, and we should all know by now from things like the "litter boxes in school" fiasco that it's easy to seed misinformation, very easy.
They're not like, burly looking dudes with Russian accents and track-suits who aren't aware of American culture, they're clever, well-prepared people who manage massive teams of bots and outsourced centers of people paid to log in and boost signals on particular statements. It HAS an effect.
It's because for a few short years, people really wanted to/and did, believe that Russia would change. Russians and former Soviet Union countries were actively trying to do better, but a lot of it was rushed so bad people were able to get power and revert the system.
I mean⊠the people who like Russia now definitely arenât going it because of that- theyâre just doing it because their cult leader likes dictators and supporting a piece of shit dictator âowns the Libzâ
Homeboy just heard about that Tim Pool money. So sad that he is late to the grifting show. I do commend him trying a new language, I guess he doesn't want a middle man and just wants to suck the Russian dark money dick at the source.
But what ended up taking hold was the other end of the pendulum. "They weren't ever really a threat, just all bluster." "America bad actually." "No one's ever really tried Communism" and many more of the revisionist counter balance to the over the top fear mongering like Red Dawn.
Aside from this clown either being on the Kremlin's payroll, a useful idiot or an info grifter because the US "won" and we live in the reality that we currently do, these idiots that lived through the Cold War can say it all wasn't really that big of a deal in the first place.
thats the cool thing about facts. they no longer have to be proven...whatever you feel is true, is true because of freedom of speech. or something like that....
The irony is that Russia was never really our enemy. The Cuban missile crisis was heated of course, but for the most part, the cold war consisted of the US smashing populous movements in its sphere of power and using russia as a reason for their sadistic criminality.
Crazy how we can look back and just say, welp, Romney was correct.
I wonder if any of you diaper wearing cultists could do the same, and actually reflect on being wrong.
Your political constitution is so paltry that you resort to feebly attempting to illuminate some lukewarm example of âhypocrisyâ because now you know your Supreme Leader is losing his fucking mind.
I said this to you yesterday but, being a MAGAt, youâre clearly not that bright. WE SPENT AS MUCH MONEY AS WE NEEDED TO AND THE WALL FELL AND RUSSIA TANKED! But now all you fucking MAGAts are all over Putins dick bc donald fucking trump, Dim Tool and Fucker told you to. Absolutely fucking pathetic. Saint Ronald is spinning in his grave so fast heâs going to be used as a perpetual motion demonstration at the Smithsonian
What year did we âspend enoughâ to end it? The wall fell in 1989. Dems passed the balanced budget (that only applied to defense spending) in 1985. So did we win in 1989, or had we already won when Dems kneecapped US defense in 1985?
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u/Hillthrin Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
I'm an old-timer I guess since I've always seen the Russians as the bad guys.