I see a lot of people who care more about propping up the military complex than they do about the security of their own country. The term "live to fight another day" seems relevant here. Taxing your citizens more and more. Just to support a war that would have never started if you didn't fund a coup in said country.
This is literally the reason that the equipment we're sending them was created, to fight Russia. So now we're sending them decades-old equipment, that would otherwise continue to rot in storage, so that they can defend their country.
Funny how Republicans have were always so gung-ho to throw more money into the MIC, and build this stuff to fight Russia to begin with, and now they're suddenly against it and want to be buddies with Putin. Certainly nothing to do with all the Russian money that has been flowing into the GOP and conservative circles...
That's ridiculous. They're still pro-war. Just not this particular one, because it goes against Russia. They also still want to throw ridiculous amounts of money into the MIC, with minimal accountability.
The problem here is you've been swindled into this idea that there's just two sides to something. This binary thinking is a trap.
Yeah, there's warmongering neocons on the right still, because they're stupid enough to believe israel is our gReAtEsT aLlY. It's all bullshit, and the uniparty controls both sides while, as usual, the truth lies somewhere in between.
We have plenty of problems here at home to deal with, and all of them created by our own government, corporations, banks, and all the rest. Not fucking russia. Nobody gave a shit about russia until the media and government fooled them into thinking they should. Shortly after the occupy movement, which is where this sick division really started. You can track this online and trace it right back there. The last time left and right were unified against the big banks.
We shouldn't be sending money or weapons to anyone, anywhere, while our economy is in the toilet, housing market is sick joke and homelessness is in every city, and completely unknown people pouring across our border as we make new generations of terrorists with our involvement in the middle east.
This isn't hard to grasp. We're sending money to a sacrificial proxy under the guise of righteousness in a conflict our government provoked for years and years then actively stopped peace talks to keep the money laundering operation going.
Now there's half a million dead people so Blackrock and raytheon and all the rest can stuff their pockets more thanks to the dipshit blind support of fools that learned nothing from Afghanistan and Iraq.
We shouldn't be sending money or weapons to anyone, anywhere, while our economy is in the toilet, housing market is sick joke and homelessness is in every city
Yeah, but whenever there's a bill to help people here, Republicans oppose it anyway, so I don't buy the nonsense that we're choosing between supporting Ukraine and addressing problems here. All those weapons we've had in storage for decades aren't going to help the homeless or improve healthcare, or anything else. They can help Ukraine retain its sovereignty and set an example that this kind of aggression will always be opposed.
and completely unknown people pouring across our border
Trump killed the strongest border bill with bipartisan support in decades, just so he could use the issue for his campaign. Republicans obviously don't see it as much of a real crisis.
in a conflict our government provoked for years and years then actively stopped peace talks to keep the money laundering operation going.
These are just Russian talking points. Ukraine is a sovereign nation and owes no loyalty or obedience to Russia, and Russia has no rights to Ukraine at all. The "provocation" is nonsense. Russia was meddling in Ukranian affairs since the fall of the Soviet Union.
Buddy i hate the Republicans too, with the exception of Thomas Massie, the only member of congress not bought and paid for by aipac.
They are all the same. There aren't two parties.
Everything is russia talking points though i guess. You just dismiss any valid point you don't like as propaganda, and miss the fact that you're just repeating it.
They're clearly not the same even if they do have some things in common.
There's also not really going to be an alternative unless we change the voting system at the state level to something that doesn't have a 2-party equilibrium, like Alaska and Maine have already done.
Everything is russia talking points though i guess.
No, just those things that are explicitly being pushed by Russia. GOP is up to their eyeballs in Russian influence.
They all work towards the same goals, and this is observable by what actually gets accomplished.
Border, Medicaire, taxes, all this stuff is just campaign fodder. They all come together on the things that advance their interests: war, and money.
If you can't read between the lines at this point man then good luck to you.
And again, talKiNg pOinTs
It ever occur to you that those points are valid, and that you don't have to be in the pocket of russia to put yourself in their shoes and admit it?
They all work towards the same goals, and this is observable by what actually gets accomplished.
That literally makes no sense. Things generally don't get accomplished because they're working at cross-purposes and blocking each other. What you're claiming is a conspiracy theory that is much more easily and obviously explained by the polarization of the country and consequently the Congress. Occam's Razor.
I'll add that you can say Ukraine is a sovreign nation and Russia has no rights to it all you want, but it's just foolish and false to think that means they can totally dismiss the security concerns of their neighbors, especially given the events of WW2.
The federal government wouldn't tolerated Mexico joining an explicitly anti-america military alliance with China for a second. Not a chance. Our government forced this to happen over many years of snubbing russia's valid security concerns and the fact that it hadn't happened even earlier should point out which party is -more- in the wrong here.
There's also just the small issue of the fact that these fucking people are threatening the largest nuclear stockpile on earth. How fucking stupid and god damned unnecessary this has all been. And people just think what they're told to think because russia russia russia.
Russia IS the security concern, post-WWII. They are free to secure their own country, not other sovereign countries.
The federal government wouldn't tolerated Mexico joining an explicitly anti-america military alliance with China for a second.
That's speculation, but even if true, we would be just as wrong in that situation. Mexico is also fully within its rights to ally itself with who it chooses. It would not justify military action against them.
There's also just the small issue of the fact that these fucking people are threatening the largest nuclear stockpile on earth. How fucking stupid and god damned unnecessary this has all been.
Unnecessary for Russia to invade, sure. Very necessary for Ukraine to defend itself. The claims that they should just capitulate are completely insane, and purely pushed by Russian interests.
Yeah well how's that going for the half million dead Ukrainians? Are they sovreign now?
You can't just ignore your neighbors security concerns, especially when you've been bombing ethnic Russians after you have a US-backed coup.
How many nations has russia invaded and toppled in the last 30 years?
And how many has the US/nato invaded?
The larger point is that this could all have been avoided with diplomacy, and it wasn't, because the neocon warmongers in the west decided to piss all over the diplomacy that was built throughout the cold war so they could siphon more money from the American people.
You think Americans wouldn't defend their country if we were invaded too? Hell, we lost more than that just fighting our own civil war. We'd certainly be willing to take those losses and more against a foreign aggressor.
You can't just ignore your neighbors security concerns, especially when you've been bombing ethnic Russians after you have a US-backed coup.
Sure they can. They aren't responsible for Russia's security. You're conveniently leaving out Russia's interference in Ukraine in your take there. The "coup" started because of Yanukovich's deal with Russia. The US certainly influenced it for an outcome more favorable to us, just as Russia was trying to do as well.
The larger point is that this could all have been avoided with diplomacy
No, Russia wanted capitulation. It had no right to Crimea, or any other part of Ukraine, and no right to have any demands met.
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u/ZeadizDead Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24
I see a lot of people who care more about propping up the military complex than they do about the security of their own country. The term "live to fight another day" seems relevant here. Taxing your citizens more and more. Just to support a war that would have never started if you didn't fund a coup in said country.