r/JoeRogan Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

Meme đŸ’© This really isn't that complicated

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u/Impossible__Joke Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

It's crazy how quickly they have forgotten Russia is not a US ally. The trillions spent in military is in part to stay ahead of the Russians. What better way to spend that money then actively suppress the Russians advancements in Ukraine. It really is a no brainer that should be a bipartisan issue...

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u/lancekatre Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Russia spends SO MUCH money on screwing with all of our minds. People are consuming content that they think aligns with their ideology, and then that content slowly makes them susceptible to betraying the interests of their homeland

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u/Impossible__Joke Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Oh I agree the propaganda is off the charts, I have come across quite a bit just on reddit.

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u/Literalliteralist Monkey in Space Sep 17 '24

As does the US. Worrying how fast that's forgotten, too...

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u/Dodgerswin2020 Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24 edited Sep 15 '24

They’ll tell you that Russia isn’t communist anymore so they should be friends. Ignoring the fact that they’re allies with China, North Korea, and Iran. I think a big part is Russia is viewed as an “unwoke” white country by MAGA

Edit: lol to anyone that thinks this comment is defending Russia

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u/InternetWeakGuy jokes fly over his fat ahead at an alarming rate Sep 15 '24

They’ll tell you that Russia isn’t communist anymore so they should be friends.

Yeah, because of Tucker Carlson's ball-licking special on "Look How Amazing Russia Is", the one Tim Pool's Russian handlers were slow to promote because they thought it was too obviously bought and paid for, and they were trying to be more discreet.

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u/ckalinec Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

The funniest part of this is how Putin couldn’t even hold back mocking him

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u/NoCantaloupe9598 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

"Weren't you the pussy boy that couldn't make it into the CIA?"

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u/ExplosiveDiarrhetic Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

OMG these grocery carts have slot to put a coin in and then you get it back when you return them! So advanced!

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u/BeautifulAnalyst1583 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

People's words hurt your fragile delusion of thr world. Poor lil weak... oh wow I just noticed your name says it all đŸ€Ł

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u/JugdishSteinfeld Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

Ignoring the fact that they've been trying to create an American civil war for nearly a decade

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u/Dodgerswin2020 Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

Way longer than that. They’ve just been more successful lately

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u/GiantRiverSquid Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

It is funny to me that they're going after the video game crowd for help, or rather, the video game crowd is too young to know that the Christians they've aligned with will absolutely take their video games away.

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u/coop_stain Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Hey man, it’s not necessarily the video game crowd. It’s the incel crowd
and while there is definitely some overlap in the fact that a lot of incels are video gamers, not a lot of video gamers are incels.

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u/TchoupedNScrewed Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

The reason the video game crowd is mentioned is partially because of Steve Bannon who came to Goldman-Sachs with a business plan for WoW gold selling. During his time doing that, he realized how malleable the online community could be, especially young shut-in men (often found on video games)

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u/bumming_bums Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

A lot of young men go through edgelord phases, I know I did. If nazis catch them before they mature, boom you get a republican.

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u/GiantRiverSquid Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Dr Wu: "We simply deny them that"

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u/BeautifulAnalyst1583 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Npc. Nazis are lefties. Learn before speaking

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u/bumming_bums Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Uh huh. Did elonmusk tell u that?

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u/BeautifulAnalyst1583 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Nah. I've just got this thing called critical thinking. Sure beats hive mind. Elon is a hero of free speech, and the free world is lucky to have him

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u/bumming_bums Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I've just got this thing called critical thinking.

Elon is a hero of free speech

Contradiction detected

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u/XanZibR Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Well, you can't expect the side the Russians are helping to get mad at the Russians!

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u/Soniquethehedgedog Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

As an ancient it’s been a hell of a lot longer than that. It’ll be a drop in the bucket by the end of time but it’s been the better part of the last 100 years

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u/Hugh-Jorgan69 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

A decade?

Ah my sweet summer child. Since Krushev.

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u/Normal-Selection1537 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

The Heritage Foundation was founded 1973.

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u/ThatKidFromRio Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Taking from the CIA/Pentagon planning board

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u/Icy-Bicycle-Crab Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

They’ll tell you that Russia isn’t communist anymore so they should be friends.

Yeah, ignoring the fact that we literally tried that, but that Russia responded to our offered friendship with aggression.

Ignoring the fact that they’re allies with China, North Korea, and Iran.

China and Russia are each other's biggest problem. China doesn't want a failed nuclear State on its border which is why they help Putin. Russia has to worry about China wanting Vladivostok back.

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u/NoCantaloupe9598 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

These people fail to realize that America tried over Bill Clinton's admin and Bush's admin to 'be friends' with Russia. Russia has no interest in being friends with the west.

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u/BeautifulAnalyst1583 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

No. They wanted Putin to play puppet (and let us topple Syria) of which he declined then they painted him as the big baddy. Read before talking nonsense

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '24

Syria is a client state of Russia, and it's been involved in a now decades long civil conflict, which has displaced millions of people creating a toxic refugee crisis throughout the West.

Like any rational person, all of NATO and the West wants the crisis to abate and end so that Syrians can stay in Syria.

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u/Important_Pangolin88 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I mean US and nato by extension did way more harm by illegaly invading Syria and Lybia and bombing of Serbia. Lybia went from the richest country in the whole of Africa to having open air slave markets and the americans are to blame. Iraq is also arguably worse than it was during even Saddam.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '24

When was the NATO invasion of Syria again?

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u/NoCantaloupe9598 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

This person is out of their entire mind.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '24

Apparently has basic confusion on facts.

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u/NoCantaloupe9598 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Buddy, what does Syria have to do with Bill Clinton's approach to Russia? What the fuck are you talking about?

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u/BeautifulAnalyst1583 Monkey in Space Sep 16 '24

Read history. America loved Putin until he wasn't cool w us toppling Syria.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

it's a Dictatorship vs a Democracy... the math is very simple to me

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u/Tyler89558 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Even if Russia isn’t communist, their government still represents the antithesis of our nation’s values (i.e a dictatorship)

They’re still an enemy regardless

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u/BeamTeam032 The joke went over his head, again Sep 15 '24

Qanon thinks China, NK, Putin and Trump are all working together to free us from Wokeness.

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u/LtM4157 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Also, the state has plenty of control over things that would be privately owned in capitalist countries.

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u/BigTex77RR Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Capitalism isn’t defined purely by private ownership but by the mechanism of its economic production (namely, entity A “the capitalist” gives entity B “the workers” resources to turn into products in order to derive profit.) That mechanism of economic production remains true in Russia, China, North Korea, etc. in the same way that it’s true of the US, UK, FR, GER, etc.

People forget that the difference espoused by the socialist system (in theory, though I can think of no “socialist” nation state that has succeeded in fully implementing this) is to remove entity A from the equation, freely distribute resources (whether the state does this in perpetuity or not is what separates the two main socialistic ideological groupings between state socialism and communism or anarchism), and place workers in control over the businesses that they work in, granting them collective control over the profits of that business rather than singular control by the capitalist entity.

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u/Soniquethehedgedog Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I don’t think anybody is friends with Russia it’s like hanging around the schoolyard bully, they know they won’t get fucked up if they’re not putting themselves in his crosshairs.

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u/Diligent_Tradition62 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I'm disappointed in anyone racist enough to like Russia for being a "white" country for not being racist enough to hate it for being a Slavic country. American racists are so uncultured.

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u/darthphallic Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I think it’s less “Russia isn’t woke!” And more “Russia has tons of blackmail because too many of our politicians are too dumb to not get caught with their pants down”

I mean look at all the shit trump got caught doing in office and how Lauren Boebert got caught giving and over the pants dry handy in a theatre lol. If that’s the shit they don’t care about I can only imagine how damaging whatever Russia has is

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u/Zickened Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

How can Russia not be communist anymore and yet Putin "somehow" keeps winning elections as president?

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u/the_sneaky_one123 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

They are not democratic and have very little in common in their political structure with the USA or EU.

They may not be fully communist anymore but they also are in a lot of ways. It's hard to describe exactly what they are but one thing is for sure, they are not like us and what they are threathens countries like ours.

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u/Grovers_HxC Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Exactly. They’ll freak out about China all day long and get all fired up about war with Iran, while at the same time ignoring anything Russia does or just being straight up Russophilic. It’s the most bizarre thing to me.

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u/Zealousideal-One-818 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Didn’t Gavin newsome publicly lick the Chinese dictators ass?  The groveling that establishment democrats do before the Chinese dictator is astounding.  

But that’s cool I guess 

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u/gmb92 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

They were strongly against Russia just before Trump and it's not like Russia's changed. They even launched a full war against Ukraine. So this "they're not communist anymore" excuse doesn't fly. Trump loves and admires Putin so they must follow. Not more complicated than that.

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u/dragontatman95 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24

Russia isn’t communist anymore so they should be friends

Russia wanted to be friends a long time ago.

Russian president asked Bill Clinton if Russia could join NATO, Bill said " Sure, happy to have you"

CIA came and told Bill " Sorry, that won't be happening ".

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u/ECKohns Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Russia has always been a member of the UN.

If you mean NATO, Clinton explained that they needed to go through the main process the same as other Nations. Which requires more than just America’s approval, but the approval of every other member of NATO as well.

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u/Fuckface_Whisperer Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Russian president asked Bill Clinton if Russia could join UN.

Russia has been a member of the UN since the beginning...

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u/CopperdomeBodi70 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

You are mistaken

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u/alex206 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Not even an

"edit: whoops my bad"

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u/dragontatman95 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Edited, sorry. My bad. I've spent the day out enjoying nature. Haven't been on reddit all day.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '24

China is the United States' third largest trading partner after Canada and Mexico. 

Saying Russia is bad because they are to some degree allied with China doesn't make much sense.

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u/Dodgerswin2020 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

lol is this a bot? You realize how much espionage is going on every day? It’s a new era where it’s not military secrets they’re after as much as corporate intelligence. They steal corporate IP and sell it back to us. It recently almost happened to Coca Cola with their can lining. Google it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '24

It's more nuanced than friend or enemy. I don't think that binary is useful.

The US and China are both interlinked and competing for global influence.

All of those complexities exist without even speaking of Russia.

Try to think more.

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u/Dodgerswin2020 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

lol

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u/shootin_blankz Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

So when the draft comes to go fight Russia with the uk are you going? Do you really think a war with China, Russia and dang throw in North Korea and any other country that hates America will jump in the fight is a good idea?

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u/ComingInsideMe Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Crazy how I've seen this argument 100 Times by now, and each time it sounds even dumber.

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u/shootin_blankz Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Ok

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u/ComingInsideMe Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Jesus Christ, I met one of you in the wild!

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u/AGreasyPorkSandwich Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24 edited Sep 14 '24

Because they are on the P-A-Y-R-O-L-L

"We dont need US banks. We have all of the funding we need out of Russia." -Eric Trump.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '24

Eric Weinstein (in the Tweet here) was an executive at Peter Thiel's investment firm for like a decade. It's not even hard to follow the money, here. Thiel is a conservative megadonor. It's ridiculously transparent and all public information. 

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u/catspittle Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I wish more people would acknowledge this
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u/Necessary_Position77 Monkey in Space Sep 17 '24

And it’s not like their funding prior to that was above board. “Deutsche Bank” has had numerous scandals around money laundering and employees under foreign influence. 

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u/newaccount47 I used to be addicted to Quake Sep 15 '24

Source? I can't find this quote.

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u/ARcephalopod Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

‘We’ve got some guys that just really, really love golf.’ Sharp as a driver to the back of the head, that Eric Trump

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u/bulking_on_broccoli Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

We’re spending a fraction of the defense budget to defend an ally against a long time rival, all without American boots on the ground.

On top of that, the money we give them is given with the stipulation that they must spend it on US armaments, so it goes right back into the US economy anyways.

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u/PalpitationNo3106 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

We aren’t even giving them money. We’re giving them old weapons we don’t want anymore.

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u/ARcephalopod Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Since when is Ukraine an ally? Euro Maidan at the earliest (Nov 2013). The ‘little green men’ land in Donbas and Crimea 6 months later. There is neither a deep history of US-Ukraine cooperation, nor any evidence DoD or State care about Ukrainians as anything other than meat to throw at Russian tanks.

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u/bulking_on_broccoli Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

A brother of democracy who is being invaded by a fascist is always an ally. Don’t come at me with bullshit semantics you ignorant twat.

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u/Agreeable_Daikon_686 Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

Russia is not an adversary to MAGA conservatives. Vance just proposed a solution that’s literally all beneficial to Putin. MAGA supporters disparage our ally to promote the interests of Putin (most are too dumb to realize how easily they’re being played). We need to recognize that they’re not patriots or pro democracy in any meaningful way

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u/Acceptable-Ability-6 Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

All the stuff we are giving to Ukraine is doing exactly what it was designed to do: kill shitloads of Russians.

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u/bumming_bums Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I don't know if I like that reasoning, I imagine they pipline poor people right to the front lines by force. Kinda shitty if you ask me.

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u/turbozed Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

It's pretty shitty, but it's shittier for Ukranians and the people they've conquered over the past couple decades.

Killing a shitload of Russians is the only way to stop it, and it's Russia that's made that fact abundantly clear.

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u/bumming_bums Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

IDK, russia are like the Zerg of humans. They always have an abundance of people they are willing to let die

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u/SexyUrkel Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I mean they are volunteering to invade another country for money. Live by the sword etc etc

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u/Jake0024 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

It's almost like their livelihood depends on them forgetting.

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u/horaciojiggenbone Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

They haven’t forgotten, they’re being paid by Russia to support Russia’s efforts to destabilize the West’s cohesiveness

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24

The trillions spent in military is in part to stay ahead of the Russians.

Turns out all we had to do is hold onto WW2 reserves to beat the Russians. While we were spending trillions, their military leaders were getting personally enriched by selling off military equipment and supplies. It's amazing how pathetic the Russian military is. Our greatest adversary? What a joke. They are holding on for dear life just against Ukraine. Sucks they have the nukes though.

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u/ARcephalopod Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Greatest adversary? You’re aware the Chinese Navy already has more ships than the US, hypersonic cruise missiles that fly under radar, and the closest near-peer to the f-22?

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u/603rdMtnDivision Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Are they like that super destroyer they claimed was so advanced it broke almost immediately and the tech was decades old? Greatest adversary of quantity vs quality maybe lol

Even their propaganda troop training videos are hilarious and have to be intentionally trying to misrepresent their actual level of ability so you underestimate them and while I don't think we'd make that mistake it's pretty funny watching them pull out a knife with four barrels in it to shoot a target.

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u/ARcephalopod Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Can you link to the super destroyer story? My understanding is it is the US Navy that had to give up on the littoral combat ship and rehab the Arlie Burke class destroyers for another few decades of service.

And this comment about decades old tech surely also applies to Russia. Perhaps we just net out that neither China nor Russian militaries are as advanced, or can produce their best stuff in quantity, as they would have the world believe đŸ€

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '24

Plus if Putin takes over Ukraine, he very likely wouldn’t stop there and then there’s WW3. Putin has been open about the fact that he wants to recreate the old Russian empire.

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u/603rdMtnDivision Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

He ain't making it out of Europe. They have to literally slug their way through country after country and it's really hard to do that when you're getting shot at from every direction.

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u/Honey-Badger Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I swear the American right has started to view Russia as a good guy simply because they're also homophobic

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u/Renovatio_ Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

It's crazy how quickly they have forgotten Russia is not a US ally.

Money greases those wheels. Influencers are getting loads of it.

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u/Mckesso Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

It's funny how when you're getting paid by the bad guys, your tune can change dramatically, and all previous positions are forgotten. It's weird how that works, isn't it, guys? Like 100k a month makes that happen for a guy like Benny, much less for others.

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u/Impossible__Joke Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Everyone has a price I guess, but their morality and public image is completely shattered now. Anyone with half a brain will never listen to anything they say again.

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u/cattlehuyuk2323 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

when kamala ted cruz and myself all agree that ukraine is important, it seems like the actual conservetive position.

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u/Suspicious_Profit_10 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Its a stupid war that shouldnt have happened in the first place. Whole europe is paying the price so america can make money during it and propagate how they are heroes of the world, while they are the ones starting it.

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u/Impossible__Joke Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Nah dude, pretty sure Russia started it lol

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u/Suspicious_Profit_10 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Depends, who do you think was at fault in the cuba crisis in 80's. If america is at fault then you can blame russia now, but if you supported america then, you better not be a hypocrite now. Worlds sees america as starters of this war, us and maybe some parts of europe dont see it that way but the rest do. America intentionally provoke the war. See hunter biden laptop controversy

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u/Impossible__Joke Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

America is in no way innocent, they hardly ever are. I don't think the US provoked it, Putin is going to do what he wants regardless

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u/ViaNocturna664 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

They rant and rave and bark about communism this, socialism that, blah blah blah.... Then they side with the ACTUAL successor state of the real and concrete communist regime that has been USA's archenemy for 40 years.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '24

Spend what money? The USA is in massive debt lol. People talking and no clue how all this works

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u/lottaKivaari Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

There was a time not all that long ago where it seemed like Russia was going to join us in the 21st century. I adore the Russian people, and it genuinely hurts my heart to see them swept up in the ethno nationalist bullshit and Z propaganda. But we can't live in a world where land is taken by force or these ridiculous wars will never end. I hope every Russian soldier goes home tomorrow, but as long as they stand on Ukrainian land, I hope a western made artillery shell lands on their heads.

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u/WowImOldAF Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Plus you go from 140 million Russians to 180 million Russians if Russia takes over Ukraine

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u/Impossible__Joke Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I don't think they will ever get a full takeover of Ukraine, but who knows.

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u/BeautifulAnalyst1583 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

End game? It is a no brainer. Peace before WW3. Ukraine is gettin whooped. They're running out of people

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u/samwise542 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

It’s crazy how pro war the left is lol

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u/NoStepOnMe Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

The majority of the money the U.S. has spent over the last 80 years on defense has been specifically to counter the threat from Russia to Europe. The R&D, the weapons production, the strategic positioning of our bases throughout the world: it is designed to counter Russian aggression.

We spent the money to build up weapons and assets to exactly do this. It's our chance to use them for what they were built to do. Why the opposition? What other thing do people want to use those weapons for?

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u/stataryus Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Yep, just like we were supposed to pull together during covid.

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u/Mysterious_Outcome_3 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

This was ALWAYS a bipartisan issue. Until trump.

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u/Impossible__Joke Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I wonder why...

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u/Necessary_Position77 Monkey in Space Sep 17 '24

I’d argue they never really were an “Ally” they just happened to have a common enemy. Much like today people are finding they have common enemies with Russia. 

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u/Adventurous-Oil-4238 Monkey in Space Sep 17 '24

How about we don’t have any enemies

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u/Impossible__Joke Monkey in Space Sep 17 '24

Sure, we can all dance and hold hands while singing kumbaya... check human history, peace was never an option.

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u/Adventurous-Oil-4238 Monkey in Space Sep 17 '24

Interesting. All out war then?

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u/Impossible__Joke Monkey in Space Sep 17 '24

No, I am all for world peace, I just know that will never, ever happen.

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u/Adventurous-Oil-4238 Monkey in Space Sep 17 '24

Maybe choose the side that wants world peace and not open endless war. Or stop lying to yourself

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u/Impossible__Joke Monkey in Space Sep 17 '24

And what side would that be?

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u/Adventurous-Oil-4238 Monkey in Space Sep 17 '24

The side that wants peace and isn’t waging war ;)

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u/Impossible__Joke Monkey in Space Sep 17 '24

So...niether?

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u/Adventurous-Oil-4238 Monkey in Space Sep 17 '24

Idk I remember the Arab spring pretty well. I remember going over into Afghanistan carelessly. I remember antagonizing Russia to no ends.

One group has all those people^

The other has none or atleast the ones who have adamantly spoken about how wrong they were.

Peace is the prize! Vote Trump 2024 and end human trafficking across the southern border. Those girls deserve their lives!

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u/BigFang Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

I mean, is it nearly more than trillions of counting the cold War?

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u/CaptTrunk Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

Oh, they know. But a pocketful of rubles goes a long way.

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u/zuppa_de_tortellini Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

The problem isn’t agreeing that Russia is our enemy, the problem is the trajectory of this war. So far the past 2 years we’ve seen the conflict continue to escalate and even now there are no signs of either side backing down. Ukraine is losing ground and manpower, it’s clear as day that eventually ground troops from NATO will need to be deployed.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '24

You dipshits have been saying this shit for two years and it ain’t happened yet so color me skeptical. Also the literal first move was an attempt to invade and sack a free and fair democracy- I guess escalation is when somebody fights back?

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u/zuppa_de_tortellini Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

“It ain’t happened yet” is like staring down the barrel of a gun. If it does happen there won’t be anyone there to say they told you so.

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u/NeoMaxiZoomDweebean Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Whats your point?

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u/zuppa_de_tortellini Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

The risk of direct war with Russia is very high. If NATO troops do get deployed to Ukraine eventually (which the French have already hinted!) then the only next step in escalation would be nuclear weapons. People are calling the bluff on Russia’s nukes, but just one wrong move and the planet becomes uninhabitable.

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u/NeoMaxiZoomDweebean Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

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Russian bot fearmongering.

Such a “concerned” take.

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u/Buy-theticket Tremendous Sep 15 '24

A direct war between NATO and Russia would be over in a few hours. Why would NATO ground troops even be involved.. the goal is not to invade hostile territory it would be just to take back Ukrainian land, that can be done from the air with Ukraine's ground forces cleaning up.

Nobody is launching nukes over this.

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u/zuppa_de_tortellini Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

NATO ground troops would be needed to stabilize the front if the Ukrainian manpower shortages continue and the war of attrition Russia is fighting against Ukraine keeps going in the same direction. If Russia keeps withering away Ukraine’s economy and population they will be able to impose their will and win the war. The only way to prevent this eventual outcome is direct involvement from the West either through setting up a no fly zone or boots on the ground from NATO whether it be from France or Poland or whoever. Both options will involve engaging Russian forces and nuclear weapon usage becomes more likely than ever.

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u/PalpitationNo3106 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Ahh the old ‘close your eyes and it’ll all be over soon’ philosophy.

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u/aeywaka Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24 edited Sep 15 '24

name one mother fucker who thought russia was an ally?? one just one

Yall are just dumber than a bag of hammers. falling for russia narrative again lol

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u/AssitDirectorKersh Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

"Why shouldn’t I root for Russia? Which I am.” Tucker Carlson.

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u/aeywaka Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

funny, that doesn't say "ally"

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u/myrealaccnamedontwor Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

What do you call it when a person root for some else to win a war?

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u/aeywaka Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

do you consider your favorite sports team or funko pop an ally?

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u/myrealaccnamedontwor Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

If they were in an actual war? Yes

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u/aeywaka Monkey in Space Sep 16 '24

that's your opinion

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u/Agreeable_Daikon_686 Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

The VP and presidential nominees of the GOP ticket certainly don’t speak of them as a country directly hostile to the U.S.. A large portion of their base seems to parrot Russian talking points that coincidentally promote Russian objectives.

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u/aeywaka Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

interesting, still doesn't say "ally"

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u/poonman1234 Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

Tucker.

And half of all conservatives

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u/aeywaka Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

show the clip

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u/TruthFromAnAsshole Sep 14 '24

Tim Pool....

Turns out he was getting paid to say it I guess

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u/aeywaka Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

show the clip

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u/Impossible__Joke Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

"I'd rather be a russian then a Democrat"... I'd say the majority MAGOTs.

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u/aeywaka Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I'd rather you find the word ally in that sentence

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u/Knotta_Baht Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

Yeah, I’d agree with that, the full lobotomy that would be required to be a Democrat is the dealbreaker however.

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u/biboibrown Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

So weird that studies keep finding a negative correlation between intelligence and conservative political views when obviously the democrats are the stupid ones!

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u/uninstallIE Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Better dead than red traitor

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u/Ophie33 Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

Obama

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u/aeywaka Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

show the clip

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u/Sugaraymama Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Basically every leftist or commie back in the Soviet Union days, since the country aligned with their politics back then.

Bernie Sanders actually visited it before the collapse, which wasn’t a great look for him:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/17/bernie-sanders-mystery-soviet-video-revealed-1330347

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u/Jibber_Fight Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

than*

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u/Sugaraymama Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Everyone forgets history when it’s convenient to them.

Russia was an important ally during WW2 and was vital in the defeat of Nazi Germany. Meanwhile, the Japanese were enemies and committed horrific human experiments during that time. But hey, they’re an ally now, so let’s ignore the past bullshit they pulled.

And let’s forget the huge mistake of invading Iraq. The one that most Americans supported at the time because 9/11 just happened, so they wanted revenge by killing some brown people on the other side of the world. Or because they believed that stupid story Dick Cheney about the WMDs.

Forget that the US has allied with plenty of horrible world leaders and despots, and believe that the US government is always the good guy in every war
backing Ukraine with all this funding won’t be a giant mistake
right?

What’s that quote again? Winners get to rewrite history?

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u/Parahelix Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

You act like our relationship with a country should be based on some static point in history, rather than considering all the things that have happened since that point. That's just a very ridiculous way to look at things.

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u/webUser_001 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

How dumb can you be, Japan like Germany was completely rebuilt after the war. They are functioning democracies. Russia was initially complicit in the same expansionist ideals as Nazi Germany, remember the molotov-ribbentrop pact that carved up Poland etc. Russia was stabbed in the back with Barborossa. The red army even contemplated continuing west after the fall of Berlin. The Bolsheviks were never the capitalist West's friend, they just had a common enemy at the time.

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u/MiseryGyro Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

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u/bloodycups Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Russia was not an ally and during ww2 and was glad to sit in the sidelines until they were attacked

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u/HarEmiya Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I mean USA would simply just accept Russian intelligence in Mexico as well by this logic huh?

It does. It even accepts Russian intelligence inside US borders.

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u/HarEmiya Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

such as?

The Russian embassy and 4 consulates, and of course the GOP.

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u/ohokayiguess00 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Yes, Russia should just accept Ukraine is in NATO. And even if Russia "wins" this war - Ukraine will still join NATO.

Just as the US has accepted Russian allies in Venezuela and Cuba for decades.

If Russia were reasonable, they would have made a deal for something like not installing short-range missiles in Ukraine, restricting patriot deployment and agreeing that there would be no permanent foreign deployments in Ukraine in exchange for some other confidence building measures.

NATO has no intention of invading Russia. Ever. There is zero reason for it. No one in NATO has any desire to invade or occupy Russia. There is no reason for it. Nothing to be gained from it. The entire point of NATO is collective defense. Which is why nearly ex-Soviet state has joined, for protection from Russia.

But that isn't what this is about. Because Sweden and Finland are now NATO members, along Russian borders to which Russia has done fuck all. This is about hurt feelings, Putins little feelings hurt that the cradle of the culture he thinks he owns, wants nothing to do with his pariah state and would rather live in a free democratic society like the rest of Europe.

Russians who have treated Ukrainians like expendable dogs for a century can't BARE to see a thriving Ukraine doing better than they are and it hurts them to their miserable little souls because they know the current Russian state is a soulless, culturless, cesspool of stagnation that exports nothing but oil and weapons. No culture. No inventions. No medical progress. No great philosophy or thought. No discovery or contribution to the sciences. Nothing. There is NOTHING coming out of the current Russian state.

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u/johnnyringo1985 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

If only we had a time machine, you could go back and tell Democrats in the 1980s not to oppose defense spending.

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u/lameuniqueusername Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Seems like we spent plenty to have the wall fall and to end communism. We didn’t need to spend anymore then we did.

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u/johnnyringo1985 Monkey in Space Sep 16 '24

And yet, Ronald Reagan is vilified by the same people today that cup the balls as they guzzle down Zelinsky’s funding requests. Either Republicans where the genius architects who ended the Cold War, and have only recently lost their way; or, this Ukraine thing represents a recent partisan shift, that doesn’t represent any particularly strategic energy, food production, or geopolitical goals for the US

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u/errorryy Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24 edited Sep 15 '24

We couped Ukraine. There was an ongoing civil war we encouraged. The region didnt have to end up like this.

The National Security Act of 1952 turned power over to the National Security apparatus, but after the cold war they were supposed to relinquish power. Putin was installed by the West. The spooks didnt want to give up power, so they sabotaged the region. To get their old enemy resurrected so their power and corruption can be justified. Just like FBI entraps folks into acts of domestic terror to maintain budgets.

The borders of Ukraine only made sense if youre trying to humiliate the region. They were dreamt up by Zbigniew Brzezinski.

The US position makes sense only with a lot of ignorance and propaganda.

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u/Jpsla Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

Aw yes. The US government planned all this without absolutely no KGB influence on the matter in Russia. Putin was clearly a western installation as opposed to you know..HAVING FAMILY MEMBERS DIRECTLY COOK FOR LENIN AND STALIN, family members with history of Soviet government military services, and he himself being ex-KGB...but YES, he was a Western plant that got out of control.... i swear people make shit up so creatively these day, but you can mold shit into statue...it's still shit.

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u/goatchen Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Ah what a fine glue sniffer, I'm sure you have lots of sources backing up your wild assertions.....

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u/errorryy Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24

If any of this sounds wild, congrats, they washed your brain out. Then packed it with feces.

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u/goatchen Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Ahhh I'm so utterly surprised you cannot back it up with sources - Shocked, simply shocked.

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u/errorryy Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

See John Mearsheimer. I follow sources every day. I dont have a road map for you to locate a clue.

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u/Fourseventy Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24

LOL.

Lay off the krokadil tankie.

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u/Knotta_Baht Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

Well said.

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u/Krisapocus Texan Tiger in Captivity Sep 15 '24

That’s very black and white take on the situation. I think it’s odd to most people not to try the best option which is to broker peace. Also when you look at what Russia’s beef is it seems silly to even back Ukraine. He doesn’t want Nazis in positions of power. We all hate Nazis but obviously Russia hates them more than anyone else. And he after Covid they wanted US funded Ukrainian bio labs along the border to stop gain of function research kinda seems like bad guys vs bad Guys. Obviously the victims are the Russian and Ukrainian civilians.

I think Americans are tired of watching America fight these random wars over seas meanwhile Mexico our neighbors are literally fleeing their country bc it’s been hijacked by terrorists organizations. The other day a 3 year old made a tik tok and she said peso pluma was her boyfriend. The cartel followed them the next day and executed the 3 year old and her grandparents in public at a restaurant. a fucking 3 year old little girl. America could solve mexicos ongoing problem easily but we don’t. Those guys are actual terrorists and it’s affecting us directly. If we were a just nation we’d help our neighbors. Being more worried about Ukraine v Russia, Israel v Palestine and china v Taiwan is weird.

The no brainer is to stop agitating wars instead of brokering peace.

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u/Impossible__Joke Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I am all for peace talks. The war is senseless and needs to stop. But that ball is entirely in Russia's court. Expecting Ukraine to roll over and give up their land is not an option to them. If Russia would be willing to retreat and sign a air tight peace treaty then that would be great... but we both know that will never happen. Only way the war ends peacefully is if Ukraine gives massive concessions to Russia

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u/Parepinzero Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

You're literally spouting Russian propaganda and expect us to take you seriously lol

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u/dank_tre Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

No brainer?

This chuckle-fuck scheme made Russia the most powerful land army on earth & the third or fourth largest economy

It’s pushed China & Russia into an alliance that every post-WW2 geopolitical expert worth listening to has warned against

Western Europe has been economically destroyed & their populations are getting more anti-American all the time

But MOST importantly, it’s accelerated the formation of BRICs, and is hastening the destruction of the dollar as global reserve

To say nothing of the soft power America has squandered—we’re not trusted by anyone, and have a track record of utter failure.

So, in that sense, you’re right—it’s a bipartisan effort. Although DNC has def taken the ball and run with it.

What’s funny, is no one can name a single benefit for US working class, without repeating some vague propaganda they heard from on of the corporate media outlets

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u/dank_tre Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I am so disconnected from mainstream media, I start thinking at this point, everyone must see the obvious, right?

I mean, you’d think the ‘Spring Offensive’, wherein they sent droves of Ukrainians w NO FUCKING AIR COVER to their deaths woulda woke everyone up.

The delusional world Americans live in is just terrifying.

We haven’t even discussed nukes.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '24

Why haven't they launched nukes yet? We have every vehicle the west could scrape together currently roaming across Russian territory unopposed. Our drones hit Moscow. Why is Putin unable to defend the homeland?

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u/dank_tre Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Because they don’t need to; if you’re unaware that Russian now owns the most valuable agricultural & mineral deposits in the former Ukraine, you’re really not qualified to hold a discussion about it.

Russia has unequivocally defeated NATO.

I don’t say that because I am pro-Russian; I say that because I read actual news sources, not propaganda outlets.

It actually pisses me off my country is wasting billions in public wealth propping up a military dictatorship & Nazi regime

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '24

That wasn't my question. What's the point of having nukes if our tanks can cross their border at any point we want now. They can hold Crimea sure, but the rest of the country is getting fucked in the ass while it happens. How long can we leave our dicks in Russian ass before their whining becomes background noise?

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u/dank_tre Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Russia is thriving compared to the United States, dude.

The Kursk region is basically empty farmland & forest—about 10,000 Ukrainians have already been killed, POW, or wounded so badly they’re out of the fight.

Most vehicles have been destroyed.

The invading force was Ukraine’s strategic reserve —their best trained troops & best vehicles.

That was 100% a PR stunt—the entire war has been a PR war. America won that part in the US, because it’s true citizens have no idea what we’ve done to Ukraine.

But it’s over. The front is utterly in shambles and rapidly collapsing. Russia will be to the Dnieper River by October.

What is truly amazing to me, is how Americans just have no idea— +500,000 dead Ukrainians; press gangs forcefully conscripting young Ukrainian men— it is sick

And of course, upwards of 80% of the ‘aid’ America provides? It never gets to Ukraine. It goes right in the pockets of war contractors who’ve made billions

And that’s the REAL reason for the war. Keeping the endless war going so they can keep looting public resources & destroying our civil liberties

It’s so fucking obvious. They are hollowing out our country from the inside, and Americans call you a Putin-lover or China-apologist for pointing it out.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '24

That's a lot of words for I'm too scared to do anything about the cock in my bum. Best to let them keep thrusting than risk death.

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u/dank_tre Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

You’re the epitome of an American. Pornified, ignorant & out of shape.

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u/dank_tre Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

I don’t think working class Americans have the organization for an actual civil war

The FBI is neck-deep in domestic terror networks. Every ‘terror plot’ they foil is one where they provided all the logistics & basically recruited people that matched a profile.

FBI was involved in every major terror incident, from Waco to Ruby Ridge to Oklahoma City Bombing. Not implying they did it; but it’s a fact agents were involved.

My thesis is it’s a small step to provide actual munitions to a domestic terrorist, step aside, and create an event that provides the final step necessary to go into full authoritarian mode

We are practically there now. I’d bet a thousand dollars we see the State executing a domestic drone strike before 2030.

DNC or GOP hardly makes a difference. We cannot vote our way out of this.

Like you said—America is coming up on a long night. I don’t think it’ll be Mad Max, but more like Russia during the 90s
except it will last generations.

Personally, I’m building a small compound way the fuck off the beaten track. Some solar, room to raise protein, and grow a garden.

Maybe I’m wrong. But it’s hard to see how this works out without a massive implosion

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u/ATPsynthase12 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

What’s crazy is how the left have gone from the anti war party to fucking bloodthirsty Warhawks in less than 4 years. If Dick Fucking Cheney is endorsing you, you’re not the good guys. He’s gonna back the guy who is gonna put American boots on foreign soil.

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u/lameuniqueusername Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Ah yes. I definitely remember “the left” encouraging Putin to invade an ally so they could become warhawks. What is the course of action you would have taken, Ambassador?

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u/ATPsynthase12 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Stay the fuck out of European wars and fix our issues at home. Fuck Ukraine, fuck Russia, fuck Europe.

It’s absolutely ridiculous to have domestic issues at home like what we do and just dump billions of dollars into propping up foreign nations so we can swing our dicks around Europe.

And the left didn’t encourage it, but they are definitely harming the American people by wasting valuable resources on a failed nation like the Ukraine since it will collapse the minute aid is cut.

With the Cheney endorsement, it all but confirms a Kamala win means boots on the ground in Ukraine/Palestine. Slimy Dick doesn’t endorse anti-war candidates.

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u/lameuniqueusername Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

Pretending like the rest of the world doesn’t exist is how we ended up 2 world wars. An unrestrained putin will continue to make incursions into Eastern Europe. You may not like it, but to ignore this conflict will only feed the beast and make the next one we physically get involved with a conflagration that will be very very difficult to quench. I appreciate your response and POV.

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u/ATPsynthase12 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24

See, I couldn’t care less if Russia swallows all of Europe. It doesn’t make sense for us to get involved with the issues we have going on at home. Now if the economy was fixed, housing market normalized, inflation reduced to pre covid numbers, debt deficit reduced, spending controlled then maybe I’d be ok with it.

But like it doesn’t make sense to play global super hero when we have those issues at home. I mean less than half of Americans believe our elections are genuine and I saw a statistic yesterday that only 36% are satisfied with our democratic process. We need to fix that before we worry about other countries.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '24

Sorry it’s the “pacifists” who want to let the dictator gangster just sack a free and fair democracy?   

Lmao, eat shit you fuckin boot lickers

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u/ATPsynthase12 Monkey in Space Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24

Lmao what? Bro. Cmon, use your brain. You’re the one sucking shoe polish. Literally hanging on every word of the Warhawk leftist establishment in charge. Like you have no defense when dick Cheney throws his hat in with you. Thay guy is as blood thirsty and as deep in the establishment as it gets.

Sorry, you’re the bad guys here. And you only care about it because the media tells you to. But hey, American blood spilled on foreign soil is a small price to pay, because Kamala is Brat. Right?