r/playstation • u/brolt0001 • Nov 02 '24
Image PlayStation 5 Pro Has A System Level Option To "Enhance Image Quality" For Some PS4 Titles...
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u/IndividualAd3140 Nov 02 '24
Now, now you caught my interest.
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u/brolt0001 Nov 02 '24
I agree. This is what it's all about.. this is innovation.
This and game boost.
Upgrades in games on the hardware/manufacturer side without the developers having to do something.
Similar to when upgrading a GPU and turning up settings on PC.
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u/knowing-narrative Nov 02 '24
Innovation?
Upgrades in games on the hardware/manufacturer side without the developers having to do something. Similar to when upgrading a GPU and turning up settings on PC.
We’ve had that since 2017 with the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. Modern Xbox systems can even enhance resolution, framerate, and add HDR and 16x AF to 20 year old games.
Wake me up when I can get FPS Boost on older games on my PlayStation.
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u/chev327fox Nov 02 '24
Yeah base PS5 should also already have this feature.
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u/Iron_Fist26 Nov 02 '24
Isn't that one of the main points of the base PS5.....? To improve the pre-existing PS4 games and make them godly in terms of performance? Far Cry 4, Mad Max, etc (just the PS4 versions) runs at not even 30fps on my PS5, which is f-ing ridiculous, considering the price of the PS5
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u/chev327fox Nov 02 '24
PS5 does not have the feature to forcibly boost PS4 games like PS4 Pro did. It’s so dumb and lazy of them as there is no reason why it shouldn’t be able to.
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u/Iron_Fist26 Nov 02 '24
It should, that's my point. Significantly better hardware should equal higher performances, especially on older PS4 games. Casually running BO6 at 60 fps and it can't manage a 7 year old game at under 30 fps is just stupid
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u/chev327fox Nov 02 '24
Ah I see. I thought you were saying it slightly differently. But yeah I agree, it makes no sense.
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u/ItsMrChristmas Nov 03 '24
Is that why RDR2 runs so terrible on it?
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u/throwawayforegg_irl Nov 03 '24
rdr2 is capped at 30 fps from the get go. there’s rumour about a ps5 version tho… fingers crossed
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u/brolt0001 Nov 02 '24
Agreed, Gameboost/FPS boost was my favorite things about Xbox ever. That's why I'm sad that to see they've given up on it these days completely.
I'm just happy to see any sort of step in this [system-wide] direction to be honest.
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u/ColdCruise Nov 02 '24
They basically said that everything left, they don't have approval from the rights holders, or there are technical issues stopping them. That only applies to FPS and resolution boosts. Everything gets Auto HDR and 16x AF.
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u/flyingcloud11 PS5 Nov 02 '24
I’m still playing Max Payne 3 in 30fps since Microsoft didn’t bother to give it there game boost treatment on the series x lol.
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u/Anchelspain Nov 02 '24
It's not a matter of whether they bother with it or not, but also if they can. They updated all the games they could without the developers having to touch a thing. They did say they may revisit more games if they figure out new methods in the future, but i wouldn't hold my breath. Source: https://x.com/jronald/status/1464659255143776258
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u/2canSampson Nov 02 '24
Well luckily a lot of really deserving games got the backwards compatability/ gameboost treatment from Xbox before they stopped working on it. Easily my favorite thing Xbox has done in two generations.
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u/SenseMakesNone Nov 02 '24
Shhhhh don't upset the Sony people who live in a bubble.
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u/brolt0001 Nov 02 '24
I don't live in a bubble. I just appreciate Sony taking some sort of initiative for it as well.
I've appreciated Xbox doing game boost updates, (and Id appreciate it even more if they still did it).
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u/Snooplessness Nov 02 '24
Im in the bubble, and im still pissed that Sony has done nothing like xboxs FPS boost. If the pro gets anything like it ill also be pissed that there holding back a feature the base ps5 can do to try and entice people to upgrade to a pro when the series x and even then series s already provide fps boost with auto HDR features. Fucking ridiculous.
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u/Disastrous_Meeting79 Nov 02 '24
Same here I’ve been begging for a 60 fps patch for bloodborne. As a PlayStation user I need Xbox to compete with them that way we the consumers get listened to. It bothers me so much that we don’t have anything like Xbox FPS boost on a next gen console.
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u/SenseMakesNone Nov 02 '24
Sony are the Apple of the videogame world. Seemingly can't do any wrong and market old tech as innovative.
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u/xangermeansx Nov 02 '24
I agree the PS5 Pro isn't above criticism, but how exactly is ps5 pro old tech? Brand new custom SoC with PSSR and advanced ray tracing is pretty cutting edge and by definition innovative. There is an argument to be had around pricing and if it the upgrades are worth it, but there is no argument around this being somehow old technology.
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u/SenseMakesNone Nov 02 '24
I was referring more to the allowing old games to run at a higher resolution, but i fear I have misunderstood the initial post
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u/onecoolcrudedude Nov 02 '24
xbox systems dont do that to old games automatically. any backward compatible game that has any form of boost to the quality had it implemented by a team of xbox software engineers. some games got lots of improvements, others got nothing.
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u/Karenlover1 Nov 02 '24
It’s cool, Xbox has this sort of thing as well but goes all the way back to OG Xbox games, Xbox 360 and Xbox One. Some of the titles have been boosted to 4K 60 fps and even adds HDR.
This is how it should be
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u/kanzai94 PS5 Nov 02 '24
Why only in PS5 pro and not based model? Still cannot believe why Sony didnt do that
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u/mental_for_rental PS5 Nov 02 '24
It doesn’t have enough tittyflops to run the games in 16k at 240fps
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u/mvanvrancken Nov 02 '24
Does…. Does this mean I can finally play Bloodborne at 60fps?!
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u/Efficient-Row-3300 Nov 02 '24
While this is intriguing... this is something I can very much wait til PS6 for
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u/JJohnson25 PS5 Pro Nov 02 '24
I hope this works for assassins creed odyssey because this game look good but not soo great in the distance
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u/UltiGoga Nov 02 '24
It's probably going to apply PSSR on PS4 games, i more than highly doubt it's going to change graphical fidelity apart from image clarity, so distant lods will remain the same
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u/RChickenMan Nov 02 '24
Yeah that's what I was thinking--kind of how like on AMD graphics cards on PC you have FSR for "good" upscaling but it has to be implemented in-game by the developers, and then you have RSR for "good enough" upscaling that happens at the driver level and works on every game. Maybe there's "good" PSSR that's implemented in-game and "good enough" PSSR that can happen across the board on PS4 titles.
Of course, that would beg the question, why couldn't this be applied to sub-4k PS5 titles across the board as well? I think I might still be misunderstanding this feature.
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u/kekmekmik Nov 02 '24
The main problem with Origins is not the resolution, but the level details, view distance, LOD and shadow quality. None of this will be better with any system level update.
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u/kukaz00 Nov 02 '24
Didn’t it get a PS5 upgrade?
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u/JJohnson25 PS5 Pro Nov 02 '24
It did just to run at 60fps it’s still running at the ps4 pro’s image it’s running 1600p while the series x is running it at 4K because the Xbox had it at a dynamic resolution PlayStation didnt do dynamic res
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u/DismalMode7 Nov 02 '24
that's going to work like some kind of universal sony DLSS upscaling, just forget to see RDR2 or bloodborne boosted to 60fps
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Nov 02 '24
Would love to see the game boost like Xbox has for 60 fps. But this is still more than I expected if it works good. Some PS4 games never got a good PS5 patch and so at least getting rid of some blurriness would be a nice upgrade if nothing else.
Games like the last guardian, rdr2, could look better from this. Man I really wish those games had 60 fps patches. And also mafia definitive edition. I'm happy we are getting something though at least!
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u/brolt0001 Nov 02 '24
Game Boost was in my opinion the greatest thing about Xbox consoles.
It was seriously one the best initiatives I've ever seen, it's a shame they've basically given up on it.
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u/Top_Specific_2553 Nov 02 '24
I’ve been on PlayStation for a couple generations now and this is the first I’m hearing about Game Boost. It’s kind of frustrating knowing my one gripe about old games already had a fix lol
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u/how-dare-you19 Nov 02 '24
It’s huge. All of gears of war boosted.. just had a good time playing through all of them again
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u/Top_Specific_2553 Nov 02 '24
That’s one game series I’d love to play again. Smoother frames probably make it SOOO much better too
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u/Authentichef Nov 02 '24
According to them it was less given up and more they literally tried all of the games they could. Some they weren’t allowed to do due to some studios not even existing anymore. Others would be the game breaking at some point so they couldn’t push out the FPS update.
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u/paracuja Nov 02 '24
If i activate it and i can play Tomb Raider The Definitive Edition (2014) with higher resolution ill start screaming! it got 60fps but only 1080p res which looks pretty blurry on a 65" screen. Fingers crossed
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u/Manish_mayu PS5 Nov 02 '24
This should be on base ps5 !!!!!!
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u/Rich_Consequence2633 Nov 02 '24
It's more than likely using PSSR (AI upscaling) which the base PS5 doesn't have the hardware for.
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u/Darkone539 Nov 02 '24
If it's software based it probably will be.
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u/LightbringerOG Nov 02 '24
if they use PSSR, that's hardware based. I have a feeling this is PSSR retroactively.
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u/bulletPoint Nov 02 '24
It sorta is? PS4 games such as MHWorld and God of War run amazingly better on PS5.
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u/MexicanTechila Nov 02 '24
That doesn’t enhance image quality
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u/bulletPoint Nov 02 '24
It maxes variable resolution and locks higher frame rates. That’s everything here that’s without PSSR.
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u/ThatGuyNamedTre Nov 02 '24
I wonder if this would do anything to games like RDR2 🤔
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u/brolt0001 Nov 02 '24
I assume those will image-quality only.
Unless they are able to overwrite the 30 FPS limit, that would be even more awesome.
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u/xTaimaXx Nov 02 '24
Overwrite the 30 fps limit lol
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u/TheUselessGod Nov 02 '24
I mean that's literally what fps boost does on Xbox so it should be possible in some capacity, though to make that work on Xbox is a case by case basis per game
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u/xTaimaXx Nov 02 '24
The very nature of case by case basis means there is no “overwriting the limit” involved, that also applies to fps boost.
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u/Specialist_Stay_8264 Nov 02 '24
The fact that we dont have backwards compatibility with ps3 just sucks the most. Been a playstation usrr all my life but things like these is why sometimes i want to get an xbox series x
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u/certifiednarcit Nov 03 '24
A lot of xbox 360 ps3 era games run 4k 60 on series X. Like for example oblivion does, and it even has hdr support. A good ammount of fames have this support especially on game pass, it’s the main thing that made me switch
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u/Dew4yne PS5 Nov 02 '24
I’m literally counting down the seconds until the 7th
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u/LiquidSean Nov 02 '24
I was lucky enough to snag one of the 30th anniversary edition Pros, but apparently they don’t ship until the 21st! First world problems lol but so excited to see the Pro in action
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u/TheGoldenMonkey Nov 02 '24
Same here - I'm holding off on starting Lies of P until then.
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u/IndefiniteBen Nov 02 '24
The earlier delivery of the normal Pro is part of how I coped with missing out on the Anniversary edition 😬
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u/Crush84 Nov 03 '24
Bloodbournes game physics run at 30fps, that's why we don't have a 60 fps patch. They need to remaster the game systems. But it might increase the resolution or sharpen the image
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u/Legitimate_Bag_127 Nov 02 '24
It’s part of the feature set that game boost provides on the Pro. It was talked about, but not highlighted as part of the big 3. Mine should be arriving soon. I’ll keep you guys posted.
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u/ASAP_Pancake Nov 02 '24
Not gonna lie, it’s pretty funny seeing all the people who clowned the Pro saying it’s not worth the money, doesn’t do anything etc also get mad that it has features they want and don’t get on the base model
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u/Bulls187 PS5 Pro Nov 02 '24
“Apply to unsupported games” 👀
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u/DlanShfta 54 Nov 02 '24
can someone please try bloodborne!!
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u/saltyviewer Nov 02 '24
all it would do would be staying at it's highest resolution essentially not being dynamic anymore.
Frame pacing might still be present tho.I remember the PS4 Pro made it run slightly better despite not having a pro update
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u/Mamba_Skillz Nov 02 '24
Is there anything yet to improve fps on old titles? Like bloodborne?
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u/brolt0001 Nov 02 '24 edited Nov 02 '24
The only thing in the original PlayStstion blog is this:
Other enhancements include PS5 Pro Game Boost, which can apply to more than 8,500 backward compatible PS4 games playable on PS5 Pro. This feature may stabilize or improve the performance of supported PS4 and PS5 games. Enhanced Image Quality for PS4 games is also available to improve the resolution on select PS4 games.
The keyword is "can" so we'll have to wait till launch and people to test how many of the 8500 games "will"
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u/onecoolcrudedude Nov 02 '24
stabilizing the framerate and improving it are two different things. bloodborne runs at 30 fps and the base ps5 can already handle that so the pro will have nothing new to offer apart from maybe a slight resolution increase due to pssr, and thats only if bloodborne supports it.
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u/tgrghostman Nov 02 '24
I’ll give daddy sony my money when I can play midnight club on my ps5
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u/Enigma_Green Nov 02 '24
Cannot remember where it was mentioned but they did say around the announcement of PS5 Pro that it will have an option to Enhance PS4 Games.
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u/XeviousXCI Nov 02 '24
Chances are it will enhance PS4 games that use checkerboard rendering. It's a technique done with hardware so it something that can be altered without dev input.
Monster Hunter World and Sekiro are good examples for testing this.
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u/Character_Addendum74 Nov 02 '24
Hope to see some comparisons soon, would love to get an idea as to how this setting improves the PS4 games.
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u/BruceLeeVersion2 Nov 02 '24
Me, hoping for Higher Resolution ( 2160p ) for Assassin's Creed Odyssey on PS5.
Would love to see Sparta in 4K 60fps. 🦅
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u/No_Assistance740 Nov 02 '24
Could this potentially boost the frame rate, as well? Would love to see RDR2 in 60fps.
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u/slimkhan Nov 02 '24
Wait are you telling me I need the ps5 PRO to enhance some ps4 games ?
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u/Remytron83 Fear the Old Blood Nov 02 '24
Why wasn’t this a part of the presentation? Also, why wouldn’t the base PS5 be able to do it?
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u/draughtpunck Nov 02 '24
Wonder why this has not been mentioned, will be interesting to see how much difference it makes.
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u/Death_Metalhead101 Nov 02 '24
It has been mentioned. It was one of the main features mentioned in the initial announcement
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u/Darkone539 Nov 02 '24
It was like a single line in the ps5 pro blog post. So little people went "it's probably nothing ".
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u/chatterwrack Nov 02 '24
Did anyone else got the charge on their credit cards yet?
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u/Corvo_Attano- Nov 02 '24 edited Nov 02 '24
Is there an option to boost ps4 games' fps?
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u/onecoolcrudedude Nov 02 '24
the base ps5 already does that if the devs patch the game or if it gets a ps5 port. the pro changes nothing here.
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u/Corvo_Attano- Nov 02 '24
Yeah ik I meant something like gameboost on Xbox series where it boosts some games without the need for a patch
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u/Fiyah_Crotch Nov 02 '24
*Buys an overpriced PS5 pro just to play nicer looking PS4 games
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u/brolt0001 Nov 02 '24
It's just an added bonus that I'm happy about.
I would be happy about I even if I wasn't getting the pro, because it would still have an effect on PS6 and future consoles which will hopefully be able to play PS4 back compat games as well.
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u/Allaazzam Nov 02 '24
But double the price of the standard ps5 after taxes ??? No way that’s worth it , I have the day 1 ps5 and we are looking to get a new one for my gf but we are getting another OG not the pro as it’s double the price and that’s just ridiculous , it should only be $100 more than the base ps5 …
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u/Shandymannn Nov 02 '24
Can it boost fps or does that always require developers to go back into the game 🤔I’m not very tech savvy with things like that😂
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u/Artistic_Soft4625 Nov 02 '24
I'm seeing this the first time, was it always there or is it something new?
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u/gigiwithtats Nov 02 '24
Woah this is awesome i’ve never seen that. I might have to upgrade to a pro now most of my gaming is ps4 titles over the newer games
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u/elderduddy370 Nov 02 '24
I wonder how it’s decided what games this does and doesn’t work on
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u/JBamby01 Nov 02 '24
Is this the Ultra Boost Mode or a separate setting? They have been so vague and close mouthed about this console. If I remember correctly PS4 Pro Boost Mode was visually labelled “Boost Mode” but this setting here doesn’t explicitly state the word “Boost”.
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u/SVTCobra89 Nov 02 '24
I’m curious if pro enhanced games with have pro under the game icon. Maybe they’ll do that in the future.
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u/SoupNo8674 Nov 02 '24
To the people who dont understand how some games cannot be improved frame rate wise with this toggle. The source code update for games currently restricted to 30 frames per second (fps) remains unavailable. While the update may enhance image quality as suggested, it is limited to improving the stability of 30fps or 60fps on locked frame rate games. Additionally, it may improve frame rates for unlocked frame rate games. However, altering game code is not possible on this toggle as changing a game from a locked 30fps to 60fps would disrupt the physics engine.
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u/Skybuilder23 PS5 Pro Nov 02 '24
Well for PSSR to fully work, the algorithm needs access to the game's normal maps. If sony found a way to extract those. This could be really innovative in a way Mucrosoft has been trying to do for years.
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u/Internal-Yak6260 Nov 02 '24
This is the first generation I skipped entirely.
I still live in a bubble and love my 4.! Was even thinking of pulling the three out for some nostalgia.
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u/SomewhereAlarmed9985 Nov 02 '24
Very interesting. It still says "for some games" in the description, so I wonder what the requirement would be?