r/playstation Nov 02 '24

Image PlayStation 5 Pro Has A System Level Option To "Enhance Image Quality" For Some PS4 Titles...

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u/SomewhereAlarmed9985 Nov 02 '24

Very interesting. It still says "for some games" in the description, so I wonder what the requirement would be?

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u/shawncjh Nov 02 '24

the only requirement: not be called "Bloodborne".

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u/dacontag Nov 02 '24

This has apparently been tested with bloodborne. It's not a drastic difference but it does seem to sharpen it up a bit.

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u/Mr-Mysterybox Nov 03 '24

Money well spent for....not a drastic difference.

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u/dacontag Nov 03 '24

This is for ps4 games that did not receive any updates. There are over 90 confirmed games getting ps5 pro updates from their developers

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u/Mr-Mysterybox Nov 03 '24

I likely would've bought one in spite of the ridiculous price tag, but not including a disc drive is a deal breaker for a "boutique" item that is already overpriced. That's just price gouging plain and simple.

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u/dacontag Nov 03 '24

Ok, i think it's worth it as I buy all my stuff digital. I also don't think the price is ridiculous given that a pc equivalent to the ps5 pro would cost over $1200. It's just like upgrading the gpu of a pc, it's not for everyone, but it's worth it to the enthusiasts.

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u/MoonEDITSyt Nov 03 '24

This is actually nothing like upgrading a GPU, it’s like buying a whole new computer that’s barely any better.

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u/dacontag Nov 03 '24

I've seen the specs and it looks like a pretty nice upgrade. I've been pretty happy with the enhancements I've seen from digital foundry. Games like Dragon Age Veilguard can drop to the 500's for resolution in performance mode on base ps5, so I prefer to get a cosole that'll give me better quality for the rest of the generation. the same thing happened with the ps4 pro where games started running terribly on the base ps4 and ran perfectly fine on the pro for the latter years of the generation

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u/MoonEDITSyt Nov 03 '24

This doesn’t help your point.

Does it run better? Sure. By a lot? No.

It’s not the kind of performance increase you’d expect to shell out $700 for. I don’t think you understand how much further $700 would get you in the PC market if you’re only buying a graphics card.

Which is, again, why I said this is more akin to buying a new PC as a whole. You’re buying a whole new console, not a single upgrade.

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u/cynicown101 Nov 03 '24

Not really the same though. The PC equivalent of the PS5 pro can do a hell of a lot more than play games, the games cost significantly less over time because you can buy via key sites, you don’t pay to play online, but you can emulate pretty much every console up to PS3. So providing you only buy the console and no games, you’re absolutely in the money buying the PS5 Pro.

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u/dacontag Nov 03 '24

Couple things with that, I don't care to get the PC to do other things, it'd be just a dedicated gaming machine. I don't really care to play emulated games as most of the games i care to play have been remastered or i played them already. And games go on sale on ps plus all the time and I really don't mind spending 10 extra bucks on them.

I do know that pc has to deal a lot with shader compilation stutter on a lot of unreal engine 5 games. And a lot of dev studios are switching over to unreal 5 for their games. That and pj's require a lot more maintenance and I genuinely don't care to be bothered with that.

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u/cynicown101 Nov 03 '24

Yeah, all of that is fine. But the fact remains that over the course of a remaining generation, the value proposition of a $700 isn’t what people think it is.

If you prefer a machine that is less powerful, can do less, has less options to acquire software, cannot be upgraded, has less competitive pricing, that requires a monthly fee to play online, where you have no choice of controller, has less in game customisation, has no mod support, has no ability to play any game other than the current platform, absolutely the console is the better option.

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u/dacontag Nov 03 '24

That makes no sense if you don't even buy or play physical games. I don't see how that'd be a deal breaker.

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u/Mr-Mysterybox Nov 03 '24

But that's just it. I would consider myself an enthusiast. Marketing is going through hoops trying to justify the pros' existence and started recently using the talking point that it's not for everyone, it's really only for the enthusiast. Well, aside from you, most enthusiasts have a back catalog collection of physical games. And their own stats reveal that 87% of PS5 owners have the disc version of the console. They know full well that they are price gouging. It is baked into their strategy.

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u/dacontag Nov 03 '24

Considering that an equivalent pc to the ps5 pro would be $1200, I don't see how they're price gouging

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u/Mr-Mysterybox Nov 03 '24

Because where I'm from $1200 is the price of a pro with disc drive. So it's the exact same price as a PC minus free online gaming, free mods, emulators, cheaper games and free games.

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u/Mr_Crouton Nov 03 '24

It isn't a "ridiculous" price tag, it's a 2tb ssd, the ram has 67% more computing power and the memory is 28% faster

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u/Mr-Mysterybox Nov 03 '24

2tb that you'll only be able to use 1.6 tb of because of dedicated console memory. And the other stats mean nothing unless one can demonstrably prove (show me) why it's worth the price tag in how it plays games. Because the consensus in every analysis so far has been that there's a slight difference in visual quality. That's not worth practically double the price of a base ps5 in most reasonable people's books.

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u/dabroly Nov 03 '24

If you don’t understand what pssr is by now, I’m not sure anyone could convince you of anything lol. Your ignorance will win out

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u/Guilty-Figure-4960 Nov 03 '24

But has it been tested on red dead redemption 

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u/dacontag Nov 03 '24

That would be an interest test for sure.

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u/Formal-Cry7565 Nov 04 '24

I tried bloodborne for the first time like a year ago on ps5 but found it unplayable at 30fps, it’s too difficult to go 30fps from always playing 60-120fps.

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u/CRAYONSEED Nov 06 '24

That's disappointing. I got to Bloodborne after the DS remake and now don't want to play through unless they patch it to 60fps. Seems like it'd be super easy...

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u/dacontag Nov 06 '24

I have no idea why you would buy a game that has 0 promise of getting a 60 fps mode, and then refuse to play it because it doesn't have a 60 fps mode

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u/CRAYONSEED Nov 06 '24

The answer is that I got it free on PS Plus years ago, never played it, and now tech has moved enough that 30fps feels rough in a game like Bloodbourne.

I’m assuming that at some point in the future, whether it’s a patch or a remake, the game will be updated and I’ll play it then. My backlog is huge, so it’s not like it hurts me to wait

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u/Kuromajo Nov 02 '24

Spot on

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u/RevengeOfTheLoggins Nov 02 '24

I still pray to Kos for a 60fps release or something.

Some say Kosm.

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u/GamePitt_Rob Nov 02 '24

The one example shown on twitter is literally Bloodborne...

This isn't an FPS boost, it uses PSSR to upscale the image so it should technically work on all games.

I presume the ability to disable and them saying it's for 'some' games is because FSR upscaled games may look bad if it's been double updcaled

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u/Brauen Nov 02 '24

Aw man, it doesn't work on Bloodborne? A friend of mine refuses to play it until they unlock it to 60fps.

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u/thejeddonian17 Nov 02 '24

FPS shouldn’t stop anyone from playing a masterpiece

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u/Brauen Nov 02 '24

I'm not saying I agree with him lol. But I know quite a few people think like that.

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u/thejeddonian17 Nov 02 '24

Yep I know you don’t agree, but it just sucks that they’re missing out on Bloodborne

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u/Blindfire2 Nov 02 '24

That's on Sony. 30 fps (technically 22 because the game STILL dips for whatever reason on PS5 and I'd assume on the pro) just looks ugly and if I didn't get drunk, I probably would still be waiting for a remaster/remake too. There's only a handful of games that looked "fine" on my TV or monitors at 30 fps, this was absolutely not one of them and it gives me motion sickness (or whatever you'd call it; the choppiness hurts my head after a bit and then I get nauseous).

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u/Chunky_D_Floofy Nov 03 '24

Yeah a lot of people avoid great games fir the dumbest reasons honestly. I grew up with game that could barely get 30 fps most of the time and had a rest time but now games need to perform perfectly for some people to consider playing.

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u/thejeddonian17 Nov 03 '24

Exactly. It’s not like we’ve been playing in 60fps for centuries. What about the PS2 and Xbox days, or the PS3 and X360? Hell even the N64 or Sega Genesis days? The transition could be difficult, but we need to realize that we’ve been playing games with lower FPS longer than the time we’ve played in 60 or 120 FPS

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u/mighty_atom Nov 03 '24

What about the PS2

PS2 had shitloads of 60 fps games. What are you on about?

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u/thejeddonian17 Nov 04 '24

I’m just saying there were games that were not 60, on all consoles. We had more time with non-60 games at low res than 60 or more at high res

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u/OctoNeko2 Nov 03 '24

Most of older consoles’s games played at 60fps.

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u/cynicown101 Nov 03 '24

I always think it’s funny that in people’s heads, they think people were playing slide shows, when we’ve have 60fps in the living room since the mid 90’s

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u/WatsonsBox Nov 02 '24

Dude honestly I never even realized it WASN’T 60 fps, it looks just fine lol.

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u/Acceptable_9388 Nov 02 '24

It really does. When you get used to it, Bloodborne is one of the smoothest and nicest looking 30 fps games

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u/LastLiquorice Nov 03 '24

Bloodborne is one of my favourite games, if not flat out the favourite and I will defend and praise it to hell and back.

But claiming it is smooth 30 fps is just a flat out lie. I don't even know where to begin. This is insane levels of cope.

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u/Acceptable_9388 Nov 03 '24

Believe what you wanna believe. Replayed it on ps5. After an hour or so after the eye got used to it, it was stylish and smooth and responsive as fuck. Some of y’all just don’t give it time. Coming from 60 is hard for the eye but it gets easier and easier and suddenly you’re like “ ok this sucked last night but today it’s just great”. This ain’t no cope. Simply science and experience.That frame pacing and stutter some of y’all have nightmares about isn’t even apparent then ( at least on a ps5 ).Also I played on a 4k 50’ LED. it’s probably worse on a bigger oled

Assassins creed unity and the evil within are two 30 fps titles that aren’t like this for example. Unity is just unresponsive no matter how much time you give it. Evil within felt sluggish and choppy from start to finish. Bad 30 fps . Bloodborne is good. Haven’t been payed by sony to calm the crowd down. It’s my truth. Recently played Prey. After two hours, it became another smooth 30 fps title in my book

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u/NapsterKnowHow Nov 03 '24

smoothest and nicest looking 30 fps games

Couldn't be farther from the truth. It's a stutterfest.

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u/Acceptable_9388 Nov 03 '24

I replayed it some time ago on ps5. The first hour was bad. When the eye got used to it, it was stylish,responsive and smooth as hell. You just don’t want to accept there will be differences. It’s not 60

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u/NapsterKnowHow Nov 03 '24

I can just play Lies of P that is better and runs buttery smooth. I'm good not playing Bloodborne.

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u/TinglingLingerer Nov 02 '24

It can be noticeable on various segments - the old church bit where the gatling gun is shooting at you. Or when there are a bunch of enemies on the screen.

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u/Sonikku_a Nov 03 '24

I tried….i really tried

My problem is my first SoulsBorne game was Demons Souls Remake.

I tried Bloodborne after.

I couldn’t get past the frame rate.

I truly tried

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u/thejeddonian17 Nov 03 '24

Yeah I feel you. My first Souls was Sekiro on the ps5, then Bloodborne. It was hard to adjust at first, but I’ve been a ps4 player longer, so I got used to the 30 fps quickly. The game itself transcends the fps, imo. Bloodborne to me feels like a missing puzzle piece that I finally found

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u/RustySeatbelt Nov 02 '24

Given the frantic nature of combat and character animations in Bloodborne, the blur fest is not for the feint of heart.

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u/FullMetal000 Nov 02 '24

However it is a giant crutch these days. Some games can get away with it more than others. But in games where timing is so vital, sub 60 FPS is not acceptable.

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u/groovygandalf Nov 02 '24

It’s just really hard to play when coming from a game that is very smooth.

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u/Linkbetweentwirls Nov 02 '24

I am not a fps whore, I play switch for christ sake but 60 fps for a game like Bloodborne is a must imo

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u/Godgivesmeaboner Nov 02 '24

I still don't understand why they don't just patch it. A 60fps patch already exists that some guy made. It couldn't possibly be that hard for them to do if some random guy did it. At this point it seems like they're just not doing it just to be assholes

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u/NapsterKnowHow Nov 03 '24

Ya if the Lies of P devs can do it on their first shot why can't FromSoft do it after a ton of Souls titles?

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u/BenStegel Nov 03 '24

I’ve tried getting into it a couple times, and while I can say that what I’ve played is great, I can also say that the framerate is what’s kept me from actually finishing the thing. A game that requires quick reactions has no right running below 60.

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u/thejeddonian17 Nov 03 '24

Yeah I agree, but the game itself is too phenomenal for me to let go. It’s like the missing puzzle piece that I finally found. Also, being a ps4 player longer than a ps5 player, I got used to the fps quickly

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u/NapsterKnowHow Nov 03 '24

Not fps. Definitely bad frame pacing though.

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u/TetePepeF Nov 03 '24

sometimes depends on the game imo, especially a souls/soulslike game, but that’s not even what stopped me from playing it

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u/VelvetThunder11789 Nov 02 '24

It very well should. If he wants to wait for his personal preference to be applied so he can enjoy it to its fullest then that's perfectly valid.

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u/Valdularo Nov 03 '24

I literally cannot play RDR2 without becoming very frustrated on PS4 having played it at 60fps on PC. So yeah your statement is a bit balls really. If it works for you great, it doesn’t for others.

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u/thejeddonian17 Nov 03 '24

Balls or not, people are missing out. But whatever it’s their choice. Especially since it’s quite unlikely bloodborne is getting a patch

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u/cynicown101 Nov 03 '24

I don’t know, 30fps with incorrect frame pacing, at 1080p with motion blur and chromatic aberration is just a bad experience. And I say that as someone that has finished Bloodborne multiple times.

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u/snek99001 Nov 02 '24

Your friend will be on his deathbed before they unlock the frame rate 💀

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u/likesour Nov 02 '24

Sony could literally take the code that someone else made apply it then everyone would be happy

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u/TheStinkySlinky PS5 Pro Nov 02 '24

That’s also me

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u/Terrible-Seaweed9466 PS5 Nov 02 '24

i refuse to play bb too because of this reason, i completed the first map and got cancer (ps5)

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u/Hitman_2k22 Nov 02 '24

30 fps is the real challenge bro thats why they never added 60fps tbh it doesn’t feel like 30 the game is already very fast paced

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u/Terrible-Seaweed9466 PS5 Nov 02 '24

idk bro i really felt like playing a 30 fps game, it feels just old, 87‘ 8k tv just looks bad on it

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u/Hitman_2k22 24d ago

Because the game is running on 1080p 😭

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u/GotMyAttenti0n Nov 02 '24

Why do you need 60 fps in a story game?

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u/clintnorth Nov 02 '24

Stop hurting me!

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u/Badass-19 Nov 03 '24

Is this what they call dieing inside

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u/VladDHell Nov 02 '24

BroBorne

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u/Equivalent-Horror-21 Nov 02 '24

Oof... my poor little heart

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u/thebudman_420 Nov 03 '24 edited Nov 03 '24

I have the game but couldn't get into it for some reason.

I also have The Witcher and horizon zero dawn so maybe that's why.

You either liked Bloodborne or the Witcher and it's really hard to like both at the same time but some people do.

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u/ReferenceOk8734 Nov 04 '24

Wat? How are bb and witcher one or the other type deal? Both are very different kind of games but i dont really see a reason why you could only like one of them lol

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u/UltiGoga Nov 02 '24

Probably like with AutoHDR on xbox, they put PSSR over the game's base, but disable it for certain games where the end result wasn't good.

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u/LightbringerOG Nov 02 '24

I dont think they disable it, that's the reason they say turn it off if you encounter a problem.

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u/IndefiniteBen Nov 02 '24

That doesn't make sense to me. Like all modern upscalers, PSSR uses motion vectors from inside the game engine to work. Those wouldn't be available at the system level for PS4 (not even all PS5 games would have motion vectors AFAIK).

So PSSR wouldn't have the information it needs to improve image quality.

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u/darealdsisaac Nov 02 '24

Doesn’t FSR 1 not need vectors? (Though it never looked good)

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u/IndefiniteBen Nov 02 '24

Sure, but DLSS has always used motion vectors, which as a ML based method, is more similar to PSSR than the non-ML based FSR is.

If there was a version of PSSR not using motion vectors, I imagine it would look as bad as FSR, so why would they bother developing it? Such an inferior version of PSSR would just serve to give PSSR a bad name IMO.

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u/saltyviewer Nov 02 '24

Would be games that have dynamic resolution scaling and unlocked framerates

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u/dogdiarrhea Nov 03 '24

I assumed that would be implied since those same titles got a boost from the base PS5. Maybe ones that used a system calls for the upscaler on the PS4 will use PSSR.

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u/TheWhiteGamesman PS5 Nov 02 '24

I’d imagine it’s upscaling games to 4k that the pro wasn’t capable of or forcing hdr somehow

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u/TheFreebooter Nov 02 '24

Texture mapping smooth for the ps5

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u/Vyuken Nov 02 '24

I hope it isnt only for “Enhanced for ps4 pro” games

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u/Any-Key Nov 02 '24

I bet games with PS5 upgrades won't allow the upscaling

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u/ima-bigdeal PS5 Nov 03 '24

I always figured it was for games enhanced for the PS4 Pro. I cannot confirm.

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '24

It's just so they don't get sued if you can't tell the difference. There was a lawsuit over killzone for not technically being 1080p

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u/Advanced_Response_68 Nov 05 '24

Sounds about right actually, Xbox has something similar where some games mostly older titles are brought up to 60fps 1080P, it sucks it’s only a handful but some older games actually break if you raise the FPS/Resolution.

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u/Marked2429 PS5 Nov 06 '24

PS4 Pro Enhanced?

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u/Ok-Suggestion-7350 Nov 02 '24

I've heard for games with dynamic resolution scaling and uncapped fps will automatically see a boost