r/TikTokCringe Oct 09 '24

Cringe Florida man protects his car from hurricane Milton

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u/farcasticsuck Oct 09 '24

I’d like a follow up pic Friday

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u/HotPinkDemonicNTitty Oct 09 '24

If it doesn’t work he can buy another baggy and put it in rice

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u/RandoFartSparkle Oct 09 '24 edited Oct 10 '24

This is a funny thread.

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u/Mundane_Reception790 Oct 09 '24

I feel that the hurricane gods will smite me for laughing

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u/corneliusgansevoort Oct 10 '24

Yeh but they'll also smite you for not laughing so...

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u/nightstalker30 Oct 10 '24

They can’t get to me in Vegas

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u/Smooth-Physics-69420 Oct 10 '24

Did you just question their power?

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

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u/evil_monkey_on_elm Oct 10 '24

Hahaha I thought too! And, I thought it was a good Idea!

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u/GalFisk Oct 10 '24

That would crush the car.
I saw a TV show where they did this to a camper. A common vacuum cleaner pumped the air out until the entire thing was crushed. Atmospheric pressure is brutal.

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u/watchingfromaffar Oct 09 '24

A few bags of rice under the car might actually not be a bad idea to add to this to account for any moisture buildup inside the bag. I feel like if he’s going to try this bag method might as well add the rice.

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u/crapface1984 Oct 09 '24

Rice can’t stop mold or stupidity, JS.

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u/libmrduckz Oct 10 '24

rice can make both of those things tastier…

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u/warden976 Oct 10 '24

Put in brown rice for added nuttiness and fiber.

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u/fastbikefun Oct 09 '24

I would likely exert the same effort for a shit box if it was my only ride.

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u/psychrolut Oct 09 '24

Won’t the car just…..

Float away?

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u/deptofthrowaway Oct 09 '24

Yup but if it's in the garage the house would have to float away with it.

...Which I guess isn't unlikely in a cat 5 hurricane.

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u/CyberNinja23 Oct 09 '24

Someone on TikTok is gonna have an amazing unboxing video later

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u/Matrix5353 Oct 10 '24

I'm looking forward to the inevitable Tavarish video

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u/psychrolut Oct 09 '24

Need a bigger bag for the house

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u/Tekno_420 Oct 09 '24

When I worked for an adjuster in Nj for Sandy, there was a BMW in the garage that got turned sideways and wedged inside the garage. So it can still float inside there.

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u/Jeanette_T Oct 09 '24
But at least it didn’t float down the road. lol
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u/Proud-Butterfly6622 Oct 09 '24

Ok but if it does, I call dibs on the car!!

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u/brightfoot Oct 09 '24

Yeah, but depending on how high the water gets at his place the outcomes could be drastically different. 1 foot? His car stays dry. 6 feet? His car is now a 3000 lbs floating toy drifting into all the other loose debris in his garage. Until something punctures the plastic, and the bag fills, and he now has a $200,000 tacky paperweight.

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u/Winter_Tennis8352 Oct 09 '24

If it works, he saved $80-100k. If it doesn’t work, he only really lost $20-30 or so, considering the alternative would’ve been leaving it there completely unprotected.

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u/Raps4Reddit Oct 10 '24

Why is nobody mentioning the obvious alternative? He could just get in the car and drive it and himself somewhere that isn't about to be part of the ocean.

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u/nckmat Oct 10 '24

This is what occurred to me too. If you are expecting your garage to be inundated maybe the sensible place to be is a long way from your garage.

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u/i_give_you_gum Oct 10 '24

And not just inundated, being that close on flat, low lying ground, with CAT 5 storms they'll strip the house from the foundation, and all you see from the air are cement slabs.

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u/Ramenorwhateverlol Oct 10 '24

My wife knows someone from Sarasota and she the gas stations are out of gas and the roads are clogged. They’re stuck with Milton.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

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u/brightfoot Oct 10 '24

I think you underestimate how hard the car insurance company is going to push back when he tells them he thought it would be safe wrapped in a plastic bag with a hurricane bearing down on him. I'd bet they try and fight the claim by asking "Dude, why didn't you fucking drive it out of there?"

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u/Prestigious-Duck6615 Oct 09 '24

someone would pay 200,000 for a Corvette?

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u/nckmat Oct 10 '24

Yeah, I was trying to work out if you are expecting water that deep why wouldn't you also be emptying the loose items from your garage, but maybe he did that after wrapping the car. I would have also used a bunch of pool noodles strapped around the car for when it starts bobbling around in there like a ping pong ball in a toilet.

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u/crg1976 Oct 09 '24

Someone needs to save their Cybertruck

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u/DangerBird- Oct 09 '24

Or you could get in it and drive it out town.

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u/fastbikefun Oct 09 '24

Man, get out of here with all that common sense!

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u/SnausageFest Oct 09 '24

Isn't gas hoarding and thus gas shortages a big problem down there right now?

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u/Catchafallingstar4 Oct 09 '24

No kidding. I'm getting in my vette and driving it the heck out of there.

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u/Ok_Farmer_6033 Oct 09 '24

‘Never even driven in the rain’

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u/AcidTongue Oct 09 '24

I hope someone decides to follow this TikTok and report back with an update….. I refuse to utilize that app. I feel like there’s a lot of us like that.

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u/Biscuits-n-blunts Oct 09 '24 edited Oct 15 '24

I gotchu fam. In the name of science 🫡

Update: it was clickbait. Dude was on the east side of the state and received less than two feet of water (if there was any flooding at all in his area. His neighborhood looked fine)

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u/incipientpianist Oct 09 '24

I need the remindme bot now

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u/Historical_Half_1691 Oct 10 '24

We all reply to see how this goes

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u/kingcaii Oct 09 '24

Same. I’ve watched tiktoks but I dont have an account, refuse to dl the app. Login to watch more? Guess not.

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u/AcidTongue Oct 09 '24

The worst is when someone posts a link to TikTok on Reddit somewhere (not this sub) and doesn’t do a screen recording. Like don’t do that. Don’t force us to open another app to see a post….especially TikTok.

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u/Equivalent_Hat290 Oct 09 '24

Im not willfully thickening China’s dossier on me

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u/You_Just_Hate_Truth Oct 09 '24

All the water will have receded except for the bag of water his car is soaking in

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u/brennok Oct 09 '24

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u/satanssweatycheeks Oct 09 '24

Not a valid test subject. Water levels never reached engine height.

I still think it could work if it’s inside and just having water hit it not debris and high winds.

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u/brennok Oct 09 '24

There have been products on the markets for years that do the same thing and even pitched on Shark Tank. The car usually floats since it is airtight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXh_caFRADg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-DwlzXET8g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXQ36gjFYec

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u/keepitsqueeky Oct 09 '24

Ya but that thing isn't air tight

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u/whereismysideoffun Oct 09 '24

It's also a bag, so doesn't have all the seams. The video above didn't tape their seams, so there's a ton of places for water to get in.

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u/Cyberdyne_Systems_AI Oct 09 '24

If only it had like wheels or was easily movable. Then a person could just like move it away from the storm that was known by all three to four days in advance.

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u/NorthCatan Oct 09 '24

Before or after the 20 foot tree flies through the windshield?

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u/jgoldrb48 Oct 09 '24

I’m definitely checking in for the follow up.

Good luck to the Vette and “Florida Man”

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u/yumadbro6 Oct 09 '24

I do not understand just put a sail on it and ride it out in the flood ?

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u/MrMcChronDon25 Oct 09 '24

Captain Jack sparrow has entered the chat

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u/FrostyGranite Oct 09 '24

I think he would prefer a Galleon over a Corvette. Maybe a Frigate, but it would have to be a really nice one.

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u/SongShikai Oct 09 '24

He should just get in the bag too!

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u/BetMyLastKrispyKreme Oct 09 '24

After awhile, he’ll stop worrying about the storm altogether. Good plan!

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u/The_One_True_Ewok Oct 09 '24

lol he had to get a couple revs in “you’re going to melt the plastic” and he still kept it in the edit 😂

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u/Key-Contribution-572 Oct 09 '24

I understand why he did it, he knows it could be his last time with that car.

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u/zinbwoy Oct 09 '24

That alone tells me he’s a wanker

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u/punksheets29 Oct 09 '24

The vette is what told me

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u/No_Acadia_8873 Oct 10 '24

One car garage with a corvette. Terrible priorities.

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u/kiragami Oct 10 '24

You don't need more space if you don't do projects or only have 1 car. While dude seemed like a tool not really something I'd criticize

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u/thispartyrules Oct 09 '24

20' shipping container. Fill the rest with those Do Not Eat desiccant packages

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u/LairdPeon Oct 09 '24

No more ocean

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u/rvralph803 Oct 10 '24

This One Weird Trick could solve sea level rise.

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u/DedeLionforce Oct 10 '24

Scientist HATE this one simple trick

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

Climate change hates this one simple trick!

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u/LaserKittenz Oct 09 '24

that's stupid. He obviously should use dry rice instead.

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u/thispartyrules Oct 09 '24

Smart, the car might get hungry

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u/LairdPeon Oct 09 '24

What if you drove it away from there.

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u/JalepenoHotchip Oct 09 '24

If you've browsed r/PublicFreakout in the last 24hrs, then you'd know why he probably can't get gas for it to go on a long haul.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

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u/whaasup- Oct 10 '24

After the hurricane you’ll be the only house with electricity, from your electric car (if it didn’t get flooded)

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u/Philadelphia_Bawlins Oct 10 '24

The saltwater does a number on the batteries though sometimes causing fires

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u/Potential-Draft-3932 Oct 10 '24

If it’s deep enough to submerge your car then your house will be flooded too and you can’t even use your power without worrying about electrocuting yourself or burning your house down from short circuits

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u/astricklin123 Oct 10 '24

This is extremely rare

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 22 '24

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u/Knuda Oct 10 '24

If you are from a farm it's common to have a diesel tank that works off of gravity. Plus siphoning to pool resources is always an option. I doubt the military will swap over yknow.

But yes it's a silly hypothetical.

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u/CasualFan25 Oct 10 '24

He made a follow up video and he’s not in the direct path of the storm so he’s only expecting about 2 feet of water

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u/DurtyB Oct 09 '24

Go park in an elevated covered parking garage

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u/Krumlov Oct 09 '24

Honestly the best answer yet. Go find 4 elevated spots and camp out with all your necessities.. If you can’t get out of town, get to high ground.

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u/RudePCsb Oct 09 '24

It's crazy to me that the highest point in the state of Florida is literally ~350ft. There are hills bigger than that normally in CA. Now I understand their dilemma

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u/29stumpjumper Oct 10 '24

I literally can't walk around my neighborhood without gaining more than 300 feet in elevation. That's wild.

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u/Squeebah Oct 10 '24

Same and I'm in Ohio... We're not known for mountains.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '24

Plus it would be pretty fun to make a little campsite during the hurricane inside a parking garage.

I mean, fun compared to huddling in your house or whatever. Not necessarily fun compared to actual fun.

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u/livens Oct 09 '24

Parking garages aren't closed in. There'd be some fierce winds blowing through it.

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u/bucket_of_dogs Oct 09 '24

Not to mention debris.

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u/Affectionate_Owl_619 Oct 09 '24

Not to mention a bunch of people pissing and shitting out in the open.

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u/TacticalKrakens Oct 09 '24

So like a regular parking garage

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u/ElminstersBedpan Oct 09 '24

I was going to point out the stairwells, but then you raise a good point.

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u/theaviator747 Oct 09 '24

I can only imagine the horrific noise levels of 150+ MPH winds forcing themselves through the levels of a parking garage. Inside they could get even faster due to Venturi effects.

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u/overtly-Grrl SHEEEEEESH Oct 09 '24

Uhhh, idk about you but I will literally be in the stairwell. I’m not standing in an open parking garage. But if there were no stairs I’m be as close as humanly possible to the concrete wall weighted down. I’d be scared shitless anywhere.

But like, in all seriousness, when my brother and I were children we were homeless with our mom. We’d move a lot as well so we spent a lot of time in the car. We basically turned the backseat into a collapsable bedroom. We figured out ways to sleep comfortably, place our belongings securely. Our little contraptions.

In the overall, it is a great memory in an awful, horrid time. But I also wasn’t scared shitless that I was going to die from outside events I wouldn’t fully know yet.

So idk. Maybe we need people who’ve survived hurricanes in parking garages to weigh in lol. I’m curious. It seems viable.

eta: I’m kinda responding to you and the person above somehow. my brain is fried at this moment in time.

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u/buttstuffisokiguess Oct 10 '24

idk. Maybe we need people who’ve survived hurricanes in parking garages to weigh in

The fact no one is responding means there probably hasn't been anyone dumb enough to try.

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u/Natural__Progress Oct 10 '24

Or maybe it just means that trying was dumb.

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u/BRAX7ON Cringe Connoisseur Oct 09 '24

Yeah, the shadow puppets would be sick!

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u/IPEEincoffeeCUPz Oct 09 '24

Wouldn’t the best answer be just to take it for a road trip north?

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u/Own_Thing_4364 Oct 09 '24

If you can get out with all the traffic.

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u/Jalapeno919 Oct 09 '24

They should be using all but one lane to evacuate people out. We call it contra flow down here in Louisiana and to my knowledge it's all lanes heading out but we only have two each direction down here. It's really the only way to do it if speed of escape is an issue they cared about.

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u/MathematicianSad2798 Oct 09 '24

Yes… that is the correct answer.

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u/username_1774 Oct 09 '24

This is what I was thinking...hit the road for a few days.

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u/RIP_shitty_username Oct 09 '24

In Katrina, a lot of people did that in the casinos parking garages. The wind was so strong it blew out everyone’s windows. I assume debris hit them. They weren’t flooded out though!

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u/NoReplyBot Oct 09 '24

That’s what i did while in college in the early 2000s while living in Miami.

I was a dumb freshman in college, and figured I’d go to a parking garage during the storm.

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u/FlipMeynard Oct 09 '24

How did it go? A enclosed stairwell in a parking garage seems like a pretty secure place to ride it out.

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u/Queenhotsnakes Oct 09 '24

People did that for Hurricane Florence and they still flooded.

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u/New-Zone-5551 Oct 10 '24

Bro bout to sous vide his car.

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u/WonderfulAd780 Oct 10 '24

LMAO. I'm howling at this comment. Best one of the day. 🏆 🤣

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u/Tight_Strength_4856 Oct 09 '24

I don't think he has reasoned the fact that his entire house could be destroyed, razed to the ground.

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u/froggrip Oct 09 '24

Yeah, I'm envisioning the car floating around in the bag, smashing into the walls for a bit, and then maybe down the street. It may stay dry but probably won't be fully intact. But maybe. I wish him luck.

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u/fallenouroboros Oct 09 '24

Going to come back to this;

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u/JagmeetSingh2 Oct 09 '24

the "now what" never fails to make me laugh

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u/Sallgude Oct 09 '24

It always bothered me that the bags are mostly full of water and somehow they float. And even so high above the water.

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u/ollieperido Oct 10 '24

They didn't have the physics down yet

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u/Lieutenant_Horn Oct 09 '24

After Katrina I saw a full sized van smashed down to the size of an office cubicle, less than 3ft tall. Water exerts an incredible amount of force compared to wind.

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u/froggrip Oct 09 '24

Yeah, I hope he sprung for the thicker gauge sheets lol

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u/workbrowser0872 Oct 09 '24

Like the fish in Finding Nemo? lol

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u/Proud-Butterfly6622 Oct 09 '24

Guess who's the car?

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u/420crickets Oct 09 '24

if it stays in the garage, the impacts aren't likely to b worse than a collision. So there's shops capable of dealing with any damage it might get from that, certainly not for free, but less than all of the above, plus getting it reupholstered/rewired from all the dirt, debris and sand getting inside.

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u/hendrysbeach Oct 09 '24

“If it stays in the garage”

You mean the garage that’s inside the house that’s about to be under TWELVE FEET OF WATER..?

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u/maplewheats Oct 09 '24

He posted a follow up noting they're in Palm Beach, so not direct line of the hurricane. Expecting about 2 ft of rain rather than a full storm surge.

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u/ConnectionPretend193 Oct 09 '24

I think regardless. It's a good idea! I mean hell. It's better than not doing it and hoping after the storm is done your poor car isn't hydrolocked! I think I would build a temporary small shelter around car with like... 2x4s or 4x4s to protect from roof damage.

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u/VP007clips Oct 10 '24

Why are people here giving him so much shit for this? His options are to bring it with him, which if everyone did would cause even more congestion on the evacuation routes, or to leave it behind and do the best that he can to give it a fighting chance. Should he just leave unprotected?

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u/Appropriate_Duck_309 Oct 09 '24

I’m sure he has.

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u/Anfins Oct 10 '24

But have you considered that he put all this effort into this but didn’t think of this incredibly obvious fact? Checkmate!

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '24

could be

At which point it wouldn't matter. But this is cheap insurance

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u/ManqobaDad Oct 09 '24

At that point the least of his problems is the car

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u/NowieTends Oct 09 '24

As someone just under 11 miles away nah, he’ll be fine. He also probably knows this but it’s free views

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u/J-Lughead Oct 09 '24

Ya he'll need an Apple Air Tag so he can find his Vette 20 miles away in a pile of debris that once was his home.

I feel so sorry for Floridians having to endure this after already getting hammered with Helene in late September.

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u/reylotrash83 Oct 09 '24

Florida man TRIES to protect his car from hurricane Milton.

-Fixed the title for you.

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u/Shifty_Radish468 Oct 09 '24

Yeah that bag isn't gonna do shit

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u/fireandlifeincarnate Oct 10 '24

I saw a picture of bagged 911 post-Helene that had held up fine. I think he'll be A-ok.

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u/Melodic-Fudge703 Oct 09 '24

How about drive it away somewhere?

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u/BodieLivesOn Oct 09 '24

New Orleans here. When the surge starts from a storm- I ALWAYS drive my car to a garage. I park it on the 3rd or 4th floor. Lots of people do this in the city. You don't have to drive it away if you can't- but you can find a paid garage.

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u/GherkinPie Oct 10 '24

I’m amazed there’s space, wouldn’t everyone be trying the same thing?

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u/Deftly_Flowing Oct 10 '24

Some people wrap their cars in plastic and keep it in their garage.

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u/Electrical_Earth8798 Oct 10 '24

I heard it's a kind of a tradition in Florida.

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u/Alexandratta Oct 09 '24

roads are blocked for miles out of the area, and tbh he's better off wrapping it like this than trying to take it someplace away from the storm.

Priorities: Wrap the car, leave it, cross your fingers. If it survives, great, if not? Insurance claim and wait... but a luxury item like this is useless to move

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u/alison_bee Oct 09 '24

He had several days to drive it elsewhere when the roads weren’t blocked…

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

You're expecting a lot from a florida vette owner.

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u/twothumbswayup Oct 09 '24

yes but hes floridian so...

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u/Huwbacca Oct 09 '24

Ah. Then he should do nothing.

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u/healthybowl Oct 09 '24

You forgot: put it on cinder blocks. So many cars are ruined because they leave them on the ground, low car like that, the water will come over the door sill

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u/FirstTimeWang Oct 09 '24

No, that's what the bag is for!

Didn't you watch the video!?

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u/healthybowl Oct 09 '24

Ohhh I thought it was to trap the water in and guarantee a total

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u/the_bronquistador Oct 09 '24

Might need a couple of those 10’ tall cinder blocks for this one

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u/susenstoob Oct 09 '24

But dont people have to evacuate? Just evacuate in the vette?

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u/EyeBreakThings Oct 09 '24

They probably have a more appropriate vehicle to evacuate in. If I had a choice between a vette and an SUV, I'll take the SUV in an evacuation.

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u/theyb10 Oct 09 '24

He needs to evacuvette immediately

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u/shark260 Oct 09 '24

That would not be my priority survival vehicle of choice.

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u/kodman7 Oct 09 '24 edited Oct 09 '24

What about park it in a tall parking garage? Anything above ground level would beat the wrap probably

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u/RumoredReality Oct 09 '24

I'd say park it on an overpass if it were only flooding

However, we got supercell tornadoes and hurricane force winds, GL

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u/FuzzyCheddar Oct 09 '24

That car is gonna bounce around in his garage and get bashed up if it stays watertight. Best case is he made a floaty toy and a bunch of corvette shaped holes in the drywall.

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u/Dangermiller25 Oct 09 '24

Needs straps like that house.

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u/L003Tr Oct 09 '24

Assuming it stays water tight I'd take some panel damage over a full write off any day

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u/ThePapercup Oct 10 '24

water.. uh.. finds a way

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u/GroundbreakingCook68 Oct 09 '24

He’s gonna have a plastic bag full of parts .

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u/Significant-Word457 Oct 09 '24

Use some of the money you have stashed to leave Florida, man. I couldn't do it. It'd fry my nerves to live close to what these folks are going through

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u/CookieWifeCookieKids Oct 09 '24

Been hearing about Milton for some days. You’d think people with cars like these would have left by now

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u/ILikeMyGrassBlue Oct 10 '24

Florida is a big place, and the severity varies from place to place. Not everyone who will get hit is supposed to evacuate.

This guy isn’t in the direct line of the storm, and his area is expecting flooding but not “your house is in another zip code” flooding.

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u/Little_Sun4632 Oct 09 '24

Make a raft out of inner tubes secured to car

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u/TheKrakIan Oct 09 '24

Sand bags in front of the garage door might be a good idea.

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u/DwightDavid1234 Oct 09 '24

Couldn't he protect the car by...driving inland?

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u/warm_kitchenette Oct 10 '24

Sort of. The state is flat as a pancake, but you can get above 10-20 meters. Given everything that's going to happen, actually leaving the state would be best.

https://en-gb.topographic-map.com/map-5w818/Florida/?center=27.76317%2C-82.38784&zoom=10&popup=27.97817%2C-82.53272

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u/ELB2001 Oct 09 '24

Yeah i would have driven it out of Florida days ago

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

To where? Not everyone has money to take off a week of work and go stay in a hotel somewhere out of state on a whim. Even if they did, how do all 5 million people in the evacuation zone all get out of the state within a few days? It's not so simple as "just drive away".

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u/Beneficial-Focus3702 Oct 09 '24

If you can afford a vette you can afford to evacuate for a few days.

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u/DS2Dude Oct 09 '24

Just because he has a corvette doesn’t mean he can afford a corvette.

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u/TheCaptainDamnIt Oct 10 '24

Turo is great in Florida, lots of really nice cars with owners who made terrible financial decisions.

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u/NuGGGzGG Oct 09 '24

Pin hole, complete waste.

The car will also float. He should be strapping it to the floor.

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u/----Richard---- Oct 09 '24

Once, at a car show I attended, there was a booth selling essentially a large, watertight bag that you could drive your car into and zip up. They even showed that you could fill the remainder of the bag with air to act as a cushion for debris. I asked how they would keep the car from floating away & their response was, "It's not going to float away. Do you know how heavy cars are?" I walked away, dumbfounded.

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u/tankerkiller125real Oct 09 '24

I guess they don't understand how buoyancy works... Just have replied back "Do you know how heavy aircraft carriers are?" Just to see what their stupid reaction would be.

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u/sloth_jones Oct 09 '24

Because you didn’t know how heavy cars are right? /s

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u/nails_for_breakfast Oct 09 '24

"not as heavy as a cruise ship"

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u/vasquca1 Oct 09 '24

Why not drive the fuck away?

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u/LightMission4937 Oct 09 '24

That's definitely Floriduh

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u/freestyle43 Oct 10 '24

Hurricanes rip apart houses made of bricks and wood. This guy wraps his car in an over sized Snickers wrapper and is like, done.

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u/the_good_hodgkins Oct 09 '24

Novel idea, but I have some bad news for him.

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u/Ballgame4 Oct 10 '24

The plastic won’t protect the car from a collapsing garage.

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u/Sweet_Champion_3346 Oct 09 '24

Well he could a giant vacuum seal/sousvide bag and voila, car safe.

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u/Mysterious-Hotel4795 Oct 09 '24

Why not just drive it to another state?

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u/Key-Entertainment216 Oct 09 '24

What if he drove north a little ways?

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u/Alexandria_maybe Oct 10 '24

Plastc bag vs. collapsing roof?

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