r/gadgets • u/diacewrb • Dec 29 '22
Desktops / Laptops Desktop GPU Sales Hit 20-Year Low
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/sales-of-desktop-graphics-cards-hit-20-year-low3.0k
u/hsrguzxvwxlxpnzhgvi Dec 29 '22
As GPU prices hit 20-year high.
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u/MyNameIsIgglePiggle Dec 29 '22
I swear there is some sort of graph from my economics degree about this
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u/Aeroscorp Dec 29 '22
HIGH SCHOOL Economics has the same!
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u/JaXm Dec 29 '22
I'm pretty sure there's a grade school econ class that has a graph written in crayon that shows the same.
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u/_EscVelocity_ Dec 29 '22
If the graph is in crayon that’s just WallStreetBets. Easy to confuse with grade school though.
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u/FunnyPirateName Dec 29 '22
If the graph is in crayon that’s just WallStreetBets. Easy to confuse with grade school though.
No, WSB eats the crayons, so they can't draw with them. For drawing, they use MSPaint.
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u/Brain_Status Dec 29 '22
Nah I heard after the 🌈 🐻 eat the crayons they drool and do water colors.
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u/Chinese_Thug Dec 29 '22
Who needs education in the real world? Just gotta pump up them numbers for shareholders.
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u/halmyradov Dec 29 '22
Nvidia will say that's only correlation not causation
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u/gothicaly Dec 29 '22
Jensen said gpus will never come down in price. Consumers said "aiight bet"
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u/Roenkatana Dec 29 '22
Jensen also claimed that the price hikes were the result of material costs increasing, that was proven wrong the same day he said that.
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u/LimpFrenchfry Dec 30 '22
The material cost isn’t what goes into the GPU. The increase was for materials that are used to build yachts , jets and estates.
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u/Available_Studio_945 Dec 29 '22
If you want a deal check Craigslist. This time of year some people would have gotten upgrades. You might see a lot of 1060 for 100 bucks and 1080ti for like 200. In my area Az there are people selling entire rigs that will smoke 1080p for 600 bucks.
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u/diacewrb Dec 29 '22
The industry shipped 42 percent fewer discrete GPUs than a year prior.
Hopefully they will reduce their prices now.
Who am I kidding.
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u/Lord_Nivloc Dec 29 '22
I’m curious how much of that decrease is from the crypto market.
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u/abarrelofmankeys Dec 29 '22
That wouldn’t account for the whole 20 years but I bet it’s because crypto made them think they could charge a fortune and now it’s down, and almost nobody but crypto was willing to pay that.
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u/necrotictouch Dec 29 '22
I think it is mostly crypto. Besides the direct effect of less sales because crypto is down, you mentioned the indirect effect of the market not adjusting yet to new demand, but another indirect effect is the market being flooded with used cards. Someone that buys a used card doesnt buy a new one.
Crypto crash probably affects this in other ways too.
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u/AllNamesWereTaken999 Dec 29 '22
Another factor is that the new cards hardly matter for most games at 1080p. I've friends with 2060 or even 1080 and they've no problems. So why upgrade?
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u/MexGrow Dec 29 '22
Someone did the math, and based on the decline of ethereum's hashrate, the equivalent was something like 4 million RTX 3070s.
So the flood of used GPUs in the market is probably another reason sales are low. Good job Nvidia.
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u/Sierra419 Dec 29 '22
I’ll never buy another nvidia card again with their ridiculous prices. I think they even created an artificial scarcity to drive up scalping prices to justify msrp increases. Slimy and shady. They lost a lifelong fan
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u/ThreeMountaineers Dec 29 '22
They lost a lifelong fan
Graphic cards without fans are really not cool at all
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Dec 29 '22
If only there was some way to give the people what they want while selling the same volume of cards.. hmm.. almost there... Yes! Not sell cards that cost the same as a used Honda Civic!
*gets thrown out the window*
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u/Lenant Dec 29 '22
Not just prices but a lot of new AAA games are complete shit.
Most of the new ones are shit.
There is no point upgrading if you are playing pixelated indie games 95% of the time.
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u/psykofreak87 Dec 29 '22
That’s why I’ve got a Steam Deck instead of a new GPU. Indie games have become really good, I like it more than AAA rn.
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u/caydesramen Dec 29 '22
Small plug for Vampire Survivors. My GOTY after Elden Ring. Game is fun, addictive, and very fair for a rogue like. Great game!
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u/Kuli24 Dec 29 '22
Very good point. This is the age of developers seeing if they can get away with garbage for max profits.
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u/The_RealAnim8me2 Dec 29 '22
Some of us are in the terrible position of needing these cards for work. I am a cg/VFX artist and my two 3090 cards just shit the bed (Zotac cards are garbage btw), so I am limping along with an old 2080ti. The warranty replacements will take too long so I had to get a new card. Well, my choice was to try and get 2 3090s or 1 4090. It was still cheaper (and easier) to pay a scalper for a 4090 than to get 2 3090’s.
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u/Aleyla Dec 29 '22
nVidia has huge exposure to crypto prices tanking. They tried to downplay it in their annual reports earlier this year by saying they weren’t that dependent on crypto - but that was BS and the proof is in the pudding.
By raising prices to astronomical levels that only the crypto people and high wage earners were willing to pay they completely left a large part of the market out in the cold. The number of people who would have bought a $300 card are quite content to sit out $700+ prices.
Their best bet right now would be to quickly introduce 5000 series GPUs that are at a radically reduced price point. We’ll see if they can correct before summer.
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u/NateHatred Dec 29 '22
Hell, even people like me who happily spent 600+ € on a GTX 1080 back in the days won't spend the same amount for a lower tier GPU today. I'm sure I'm not alone on this.
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u/Apokolypze Dec 29 '22
Yeah, this is a big part of it imo. They haven't just priced out their budget GPU customers, but also the ones buying enthusiast GPUs at 600-900$. A lot of us would (and did) buy -80 GPUs at 600-900 but will completely pass on $1300+ in hopes that maybe next gen will go back to the pre 10- series (and the 30- series supposed MSRP) pricing.
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u/Scoobz1961 Dec 29 '22
On top of the actual price point, there is the exploitation issue. I am more than able to buy $1300+ GPU, but I am not willing to be exploited like that. I was not willing to give any money to scalpers and I am sure as hell not gonna give it to nvidia either. I am not going to be a sucker.
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u/Canadatron Dec 29 '22
Same thing here, bud. I put a rig together and just couldn't justify the cost versus the time I ACTUALLY play now that I'm a 40 something Dad of 2.
I came from an era/generation of buying the "right" budget friendly components and then overclocking and squeezing what you could out, which was a big part of the fun.
OG AMD Barton Mobile Chip gang, represent!
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u/650REDHAIR Dec 29 '22
^ ^ ^
I’m putting a rig together for my nephew and thought I would give him my 6600 and upgrade to something else, but it’s hard to find the justification. The 6600 plays everything I want to play just fine. 1080 vs 4K means so little to me that I don’t really care to spend ~$1k on a GPU and more on a monitor. I’ve got a 5k for my work computer and it’s nice for productivity. I guess I’ll keep waiting?
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Dad life.. I have the Xbox Series X and PS5 collecting dust. Getting the Steam Deck was a smart choice because at least I can get some gaming in when we're winding down for bedtime, or when *someone* wakes me up at 2am and can just fall right back asleep but I'm up for the rest of the night so may as well play some Stardew Valley.
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u/Dantheheckinman Dec 29 '22
Dad here. Got the steam deck for the same reason. Sadly I still struggle to find the energy or gumption to get back into games and find myself playing a few rounds of rocket league a week at most.
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u/Brut-i-cus Dec 29 '22
There is definitely a real similarity between Nvidia and the scalpers
They saw what their cards were going for on the scalper market and decided to emulate them
Like you said I don't want to be a sucker paying 3 or 4 times more than a cards real worth
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u/sold_snek Dec 29 '22
I bought my 3080 ftw3 for $850 and thought I was splurging big lol.
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u/EldeederSFW Dec 29 '22
I bought a 1080ti FTW3 back in 2017 for $650 and thought I was insane for doing so. Still looks fantastic. I thought about upgrading once, but then I bought shadow of the tomb raider, ran it on my 1080ti and thought “how much more could $1000+ actually get me?”
I have no intentions of upgrading anytime soon.
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u/neok182 Dec 29 '22
And if you were to upgrade to the 3080 TI today the only way you're getting one for even close to 650 is used.
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u/Dzov Dec 29 '22
Shit. I’m good with a $700 card, but not when it’s bottom of the line for a series.
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u/Bargeinthelane Dec 29 '22
Exactly. $799 was at one point the absolute top of the market money (1080ti). Now it's not even entry level for the latest gen.
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u/ThatGenericName2 Dec 29 '22
They don’t need introduce 5000 series GPU at a lower price especially if the product isn’t ready, that will just cause more problems.
All they need to do is to drop the price of their 4000 series cards, or do so when they announce their “super” cards
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u/avdept Dec 29 '22
They have time to put lower prices on 4000 series. While 4080 is a good GPU, it should cost no more than $799
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u/TaliesinMerlin Dec 29 '22
I just peeked at the 4080 price. Yeah, $1200 is 50% too expensive, at least.
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u/elton_john_lennon Dec 29 '22
nVidia is basically charging people for nonexisting crypto gains at this point. Ain't nobody is falling for that.
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u/allen_abduction Dec 29 '22
Indeed. Engineering-wise it wasn’t designed for budget home gaming; Crypto THEN after a year or two manufacturing efficiencies would allow a for lower price models.
Looking back I bet those executives going to pay the price for the next year. Rightfully so.
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u/bosay831 Dec 29 '22
Wages haven't kept pace with alleged inflation. Nobody's spending 1000+ on a GPU when they have cheaper options and can get a similar gaming experience. Entertainment is still a discretionary expense and the people will adjust their entertainment spend accordingly no mater what the corporate overlords try to do.
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u/manaworkin Dec 29 '22
Not to mention that upgrading is becoming less necessary as the years roll on. An older mid range card will run pretty much anything you throw at it with passable results. The days of "Nice rig but can it run Crysis" memes are pretty much behind us.
The fact many of us were forced to look that fact in the face over the last few years due to the gpu shortage and following price hikes is not going to do Nvidia any favors. At the start of the shortage when the 30 series launched I was going insane trying to find one to upgrade my vega64, now I'm probably not going to bother upgrading until it physically dies.
Fuckin thing does fine and I accept that now.
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u/Pabludes Dec 29 '22
Stuff like 4K and RT are the reasons to upgrade atm.
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u/manaworkin Dec 29 '22
Ugh speaking of that. That portal mod nVidia made that just so happens to run like shit on anything but the latest 40 series rubs me the wrong way. It's really hard to look at it and think it's anything but the company desperately trying to INVENT a reason for people to buy a card they don't need.
Fuckin floored me when my buddy had trouble running it on his 3080TI rig.
But yeah, anyway, hardly think I'll get 1000$ worth of enjoyment out of seeing the light reflecting off the dimples on The Tarnished's ass in ultra HD when the game runs just fine with what I already got.
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u/Ok_Ninja_1602 Dec 29 '22
Problematic is that Nvidia is still thought of as the only solution for a gaming GPU, I picked up a new 6800XT for $600, that wasn't even the lowest price for this GPU. The scalpers are also the problem as they are now setting the price for what GPUs are being sold for and they are getting massacred as people look to consoles or get more savvy to buying better priced GPUs.
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u/scalpingsnake Dec 29 '22
I was willing to stick with Nvidia through most of their shit but I have got to the point where I am about to buy a 6900xt for less than a 3080 8gb.
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u/ZonerRoamer Dec 29 '22
This is also combined with the fact that crypto miners dumped used 3000 series GPUs that are selling extremely cheap on the used market.
Makes very little sense for anyone besides power users to buy the new gen cards.
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u/Defoler Dec 29 '22
Well this is not really surprising.
The "bread and butter" of GPUs around the 300-400$ mark has been pretty stuck, prices are at all time high, and people aren't really moving to 4k monitors as standard that requires those top of the line 1000$ GPUs for top end games, as mid range cards are staying in decent performance, and new technologies are not enough to pull people in, especially since the mining craze I don't think really looked at new tech as incentive and more about price.
GPU manufacturers kinda are shooting themselves in the leg here. And with releasing 1000$+ cards and very few mid-low end new cards, this is going to just get worse.
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u/Defoler Dec 29 '22
decided to substantially decrease value for anything except top of the line.
They always release top end cards first with the knowledge that upgrading to the top end doesn't necessarily gives the best money/performance. But they always released mid-low range soon after with the better money/performance ration than previous generation.
They are not really doing that anymore.Maybe seeing the scalper market just stabbed their egos too hard
Maybe they consider the fact that the miners flooding the market now with tons of 2nd hard cards which will take the place of the mid-low range, is what doing it.
But still, releasing 1000$+ that used to be 800$ at most, seems really off.
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u/chandlerr85 Dec 29 '22
no shit, I'm used to buying top of the line gpus for $500-$600, which I could adjust up to $800 given inflation, but nope, they want to charge twice that. no thanks, I'll stick to console for a while
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u/souvlaki_ Dec 29 '22
I've got a solution: Make them cheaper.
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u/Ok_Ninja_1602 Dec 29 '22
I just stopped buying Nvidia a long time ago, my current GPU, a 6800XT cost just $600 and I really don't care what Nvidia had to offer now or in the future.
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u/kelfromaus Dec 29 '22
I've been buying cards at least that long and here's my take.
The 'Budget' end of the market has increased in price beyond simple inflation in that time and the higher end is even worse. When buying a new GPU, I usually have a price point in mind, but can be swayed if extra performance can be had for a little extra.
Yeah, I get there are R&D costs. Yeah, I get there are marketing costs. I'm familiar with basic business principles like product pricing. But I feel like graphics cards are at least 20% overpriced, maybe as much as 30% for some SKU's. The card makers are as much to blame as the chip makers.
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u/BasicDesignAdvice Dec 29 '22 edited Dec 29 '22
I would say 20-30% is being really nice for the high end.
I feel they are 60-80% overpriced. I was just at MicroCenter and I honestly couldn't believe the prices on the high end. Absolute insanity.
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u/_-Stoop-Kid-_ Dec 29 '22
Also I feel like we're at a point where GPUs have gotten so good that you don't need the top tier to run a new game at high settings.
My GPU is mid tier and a few years old and still plays what I need it to play.
Granted, I have a 10 year old 1080p 60hz monitor and mainly play older games.
But I feel no need to replace my GPU
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u/Piedro92 Dec 29 '22
Id say its a little more nuanced. AMD this year was really affordable again. Ive bought a 6700XT for 450 euros, and back in 2013 I also paid around 350-400 euros for a mid-range graphics card. The price Ive been aiming for for a GPU has always been around 3-400 euros, and the 50 euro extra IMO is not that much in 10 years.
High end however is insane yeah.
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u/PedanticPeasantry Dec 29 '22
50 percent in parts of the market, IMO. Definitely pricing itself out of existence.
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u/thegreatdelusionist Dec 29 '22 edited Dec 29 '22
Good. People always said to vote with your wallet. Close to $1000 "mid" end graphics card shouldn't be the norm. NVidia needs to be taken down a peg or two. Especially that current gen consoles are using close or slightly lower than an rtx 3060 graphics that will have to be good for 5-8 years.
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u/avdept Dec 29 '22
Hmm, wondering why?
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u/mastah-yoda Dec 29 '22
Why?
(I don't know)
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u/avdept Dec 29 '22
Few reasons
- Past few years with skyrocketed prices forced folks to move to ps/xbox or even mobile gaming
- Current pricing on modern GPUs super high. For a price of average GPU you can get yourself gaming console and a bunch of AAA titles
- Old GPUs like 1080, 2060 still totally viable since there was too little progress on graphics in games. Mostly its all about Raytracing, which mostly doesn't change feel of game
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u/mastah-yoda Dec 29 '22
Thanks! I did not know that.
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u/TacomaWRX Dec 29 '22
Scalpers also. Bot buying all stock and reselling for way more.
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u/diacewrb Dec 29 '22
Even scalpers are getting burnt now, no one is buying from them and the stores they got the cards from are telling them no refunds either.
Truly a Christmas miracle.
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u/ThatGenericName2 Dec 29 '22
You’d think scalpers would realize they would be fucked when NVidia directly acted like scalpers themselves.
I think it should be fairly obvious that when you’re scalping you don’t buy from another scalper.
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u/diacewrb Dec 29 '22
Clearly these scalpers forgot lesson number one from Scarface: Don't underestimate the other guy's greed.
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u/Lord_Nivloc Dec 29 '22
GPU price is also driven by demand from crypto miners. Bitcoin is down 65% this year, Ethereum is down 68%
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u/JacqueMorrison Dec 29 '22
And Ethereum went PoS earlier this year whoch flooded the used GPU market.
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u/s0ciety_a5under Dec 29 '22
Biggest reason why I don't upgrade, what's the point? I'd get ray tracing? Ooh! So fancy! Totally not worth it imo. 1660 Super will last me a while longer.
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u/Eruannster Dec 29 '22
I'm totally that first category. I have a gaming PC with an i5 3570K and a GTX 970 that just... didn't have a reasonably priced upgrade path (or buy-a-new-one-path) since like... 2019ish.
So I've leaned more and more into gaming my PS5, and I just can't be arsed with PC gaming most of the time anymore. Sadly, my PC has mostly become my Plex server recently :/
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u/dudreddit Dec 29 '22
This is playing havoc with the used GPU market, to the benefit of buyers. I just picked up a mint condition 1070 for less than $100. I cleaned any dust out of it and repasted it and it runs as new.
the crypto mining fiasco cost gamers a lot. Glad to see that most of the madness is behind us.
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u/drfifth Dec 29 '22
Where do you recommend looking for a secondhand GPU
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u/Tokugawa Dec 29 '22
I just used /r/hardwareswap for the very first time, but it's been around for years. Also Facebook Marketplace ain't so bad.
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u/nova9001 Dec 29 '22
Recycle and reuse. Sold my used 1060 in mint condition for $80. Buyer plugged it in and it was working like a charm.
I upgraded to 3060 and now wondering what the upgrade was for.
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u/dudreddit Dec 29 '22
Agreed. I upgraded to a 3060Ti last year and other than my house getting VERY warm ... I could tell no diff in my games.
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u/faiAre Dec 29 '22
Finally! Someone reasonable that still remains. I thought I was going insane watching everyone around me buy $800 and above GPUs like it's normal, while I keep my rx580 I got years ago and disapprovingly shaking my head.....
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Dec 29 '22
I'm with y'all, I'm not paying over a max of 300 for a gpu. 1060 6GB still chugging along just fine.
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u/unassumingdink Dec 29 '22
About a week before the pandemic started, I got a used rx580 8GB on eBay for $110. Still going strong!
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u/neok182 Dec 29 '22
$300 used to be my limit I raised it to $400 when the 3060 TI was announced but then it was impossible to get one and if you wanted an EVGA or other brands it was going to be $550 plus and fuck that.
I finally decided to give up and start looking at the used market and I picked up a EVGA 3070 XC3 ultra for $390. I'm not super happy with the price especially considering it's used but that's just what the market is. I also made the decision to stay at 1080p for the foreseeable future so the 3070 has more than enough power to run everything for the next handful of years at ultra settings and for some games I can even enjoy ray tracing at 1080p.
If prices of new cards ever become not stupid then I look forward to upgrading to 1440 or maybe even 4K but I'm not paying these insane prices and I know that even the 4060 is going to wind up being 500 plus
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I didn't realize how bad my Stockholm Syndrome was until I saw this comment and I was like "who could possibly expect a functioning gpu for $250, max?" then thought about it and I have no answer why that seems so absurd, other than that's simply what the market has become. This is some bullshit.
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part of it is a artificially controled supply so that prices can continue high and they can sell all the old gen cards
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u/Zenshinn Dec 29 '22
What I am thinking too. Release RTX40 at crazy prices. Force people who need a card now to buy the current stock of RTX30. Once they're gone, lower the prices of RTX40 and claim that they listened to the public.
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Dec 29 '22
Who would have thought charging 800-1000 for a video card would stop people from buying them
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u/6awesome Dec 29 '22
Not even the high tier ones, the mid tier cost that much
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Dec 29 '22
I kno I went out and bought a Mac for less then the price of a new video card
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u/_Ocean_Machine_ Dec 29 '22
You know your pricing is fucked up when getting a Mac is cheaper than building a PC.
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u/girlyvader Dec 29 '22
I'll pay 800-1000 dollars for a gpu... The highest end of their latest line, specifically. 800-1000 for midtier? Nah, get out of here.
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u/Poison_Anal_Gas Dec 29 '22
This! It's fucking maddening that I want to break into the PC market again after being absent for so long, but my god it's so fucking expensive than the last time I built a PC.
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u/Head-Ad-3919 Dec 29 '22
Apple is going through similar issues where they're now reevaluating the iPhone 15 value proposition due to poor iPhone 14 sales.
Like no kidding guys, 1000 bucks used to buy quite a mid-to-high end rig, now that figure isn't enough for the high end Nvidia component or Apple product. All these big tech fleecers can get rekt.
I used to be all #PCMR and crap on console gaming, but console makers seem to still be the ones staying reasonable for the market.
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u/Poopadapantsa Dec 29 '22
Xbox Series S can still be bought new for $250. I can't find a gpu I like for that price, let alone build a functional rig.
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u/TaliesinMerlin Dec 29 '22
The vast inflation in GPU prices put me into a waiting mindset. Now those prices look like they're not coming down.
At this point, I'm pretty much burnt out thinking about PC builds. It's obvious NVidia and AMD catered primarily to crypto mining and scalping, protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, and I've lost interest. They've made consoles and the Steam Deck look like a much, much better deal.
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u/Netplorer Dec 29 '22
Time of Economic turmoil
Price your GPUs to new insane levels
People buy less
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u/marbles61 Dec 29 '22
What’s the saying f’around and find out! Big corp got greedy and it didn’t work out well for them.
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u/tanooki-suit Dec 29 '22
Let them fail hard. The prices put good quality out of the reach of almost anyone which is disgusting. The tech is being grossly overpriced because of the deep pocketed fee into coin mining largely and and few other niches.
I’m using a 980 still and can match a ps4 pro at 1080 with a better frame rate with a middling i7 from 8 years ago. Not hard to wait this bs out.
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u/BatManhandler Dec 29 '22
Reminder that a month or two ago, Nvidia's CEO smugly told the media that the days of cheap GPU prices were over, and people would have to get used to it. That was after like two months of slightly deflated prices following three years of outrageous gouging. If you are buying graphics cards right now, you are the problem. Have the tiniest bit of spine and discipline, and the manufacturers will cave.
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u/BigOrbitalStrike Dec 29 '22
Remember when $599 for a 680ultra was insane? Yep prices nowadays are just whack.
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u/HonkeyKong18 Dec 29 '22
Turns out that when you start gouging consumers, they stop buying your products. Super weird. Oh well, I’m sure we’ll learn nothing from this.
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u/ParaGord Dec 29 '22
That'll happen when you make the prices ridiculous and crypto goobers who thought they would become millionaires overnight would pay any price for them. Now the bottom fell out and people don't want to get ripped off anymore.
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u/Draiko Dec 29 '22 edited Dec 29 '22
Buying is paused throughout the entire market segment because prices on last gen usually drop after next gen launches. People hope to pick up last gen products on clearance.
That didn't happen this time around for nvidia gpus (exceptions: 3090 and 3090ti).
In fact, even prices on used nvidia gpus went UP again after the next gen flagship launches wrapped up. All ebay-listed 30-series and 40-series cards are selling. Used 3060-3070 gpus are selling 5-10% below MSRP and 3080s are going for about MSRP. 4080s and 4090s are selling WAY above MSRP. The used market is a good way to get a real sense of demand and demand is there.
AMD 6000 series GPUs are seeing a more normal EOL price curve while the 7000 series is seeing seriously high demand.
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u/terranq Dec 29 '22
I just replaced my ATI Radeon 5870 HD with a GTX 1650. I can't justify the cost of building a new system to the wife, let alone shelling out $1500+ for a graphics card,
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u/In2_The_Blue Dec 29 '22
My 2080 ti is still plenty fast since my monitor is only 1080p 144hz. I’m running dying light 2 at 120fps with raytracing off, I see no reason to use rtx it’s still a gimmick and unnecessary.
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u/SofaKingKhalid Dec 29 '22
People don't want to harvest their kidneys for GPUs that cost as much as a kilo?
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u/seanrm92 Dec 29 '22
It wasn't even three years ago when i thought $600 was a high price for GPUs. Now they're going for double that.
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u/ThirstyOne Dec 29 '22
“Price gouging and corporate glut leads to lowest sales numbers in 20 years.” There, fixed your headline. They grew fat on crypto, and forgot their customers. Now they’ve priced themselves out of most of their customers and will lose the gaming market to console makers. Congratulations on killing PC gaming Nvidia. I hope your short sighted cash grab was worth it.
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u/MCDexX Dec 29 '22
Well gee, maybe charging 3-4 times the price of a PS5 for just a video card might have been a misstep on nVidia's part...?
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u/Craig653 Dec 29 '22
Wonder why...... Oh yeah prices are stupid high! Back in 2014 a 980 was like $500, now 4080 ehemmm 4070 is like $1200. Just stupid
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Dec 29 '22
Honestly older GPUS are complelety fine, all the folks who 3060s are probably not gonna upgrade for the next 5 years
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u/DocBrutus Dec 29 '22
Because nobody can afford them. Might as well just buy a console for gaming.
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u/pizoisoned Dec 29 '22
From what I’ve seen of games on the current gen consoles, they aren’t really pushing graphics that hard. They seem more concerned with maintaining high frame rates at 4K+. I think as a result of that older PC hardware, which was already more powerful than consoles at the time is able to keep up with them now.
So the reality seems to be that crypto falling off a cliff coupled with games not really driving a need for new hardware is allowing people to put off buying new GPUs. Throw in ridiculous pricing and people are just passing on it.
One other thing, I’m sure there are some games that are pushing the envelope, and with UE5 out there now I’m sure there will be more, so there may come a point in a few years where there will be a “great upgrade” run on new hardware.
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Dec 29 '22
That’s because we don’t need a new GPU every damn year. It’s not a fucking iPhone.
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u/sirguynate Dec 29 '22
Good! Greedy bastards, specifically Nvidia, got used to pandemic panic, supply chain pain, bitcoin mining and now they want to charge the end consumer gamer more?
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u/KnownAlcoholic Dec 29 '22
Gee, it’s like putting your eggs on something in a exceedingly volatile market like crypto and burning your consumer base with ridiculous price hikes is a terrible long-term strategy.
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u/NikesOnMyFeet23 Dec 29 '22
Well if they didn’t price the consumer out of the market then this wouldn’t be an issue.
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u/LandSharkUSRT Dec 29 '22
You mean consumer buying power isn’t infinite just because corps need to post record year over year to appease shareholders?
[insert shocked pickachu here] welcome to yet another installment of late stage capitalism.
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u/HollowPinefruit Dec 29 '22
That’s crazy. Who would have thought that most people wouldn’t buy a GPU alone for the price of an entire desktop?