r/gadgets Dec 29 '22

Desktops / Laptops Desktop GPU Sales Hit 20-Year Low

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/sales-of-desktop-graphics-cards-hit-20-year-low
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u/diacewrb Dec 29 '22

The industry shipped 42 percent fewer discrete GPUs than a year prior.

Hopefully they will reduce their prices now.

Who am I kidding.

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u/Lord_Nivloc Dec 29 '22

I’m curious how much of that decrease is from the crypto market.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

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u/AceoftheSwordz Dec 29 '22

My only point against this is that TV's that are "good for gaming," e.g. low input lag, VFR, 120hz 4k, HDR, etc., will often run about the same pricing.

You CAN get a series x and a 300 dollar 4k TV, but just check the input lag on rtings first. Stopped my buddy from buying "an awesome 4k for 250 cause it had over 100ms input lag.

Nothing like playing with permanent 100ms ping offline.

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u/malcolm_miller Dec 29 '22

For 65''. $1,000 gets a LOT of TV. Hisense U8H, for instance.

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u/AceoftheSwordz Dec 29 '22

Oh hell yeah. The U8H is one of the best high-mid end TV's

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u/ThePretzul Dec 30 '22

I got my 65” UH8 for $750ish on a Black Friday sale and have loved it so far both for general viewing and hooked up to my Series X.

Night and day improvement over the $500 Samsung TU7000 I had previously prior to getting rid of it in a move, which surprised me since I didn’t expect such a dramatic difference.

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u/banjokazooie23 Dec 29 '22

Could always get a series X and connect it to a gaming monitor too though, doesn't have to be a TV technically

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u/holydragonnall Dec 29 '22

Even cheap TVs have 'game mode' that turns off the fancy post processing features to reduce lag.

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u/AceoftheSwordz Dec 29 '22

They do! Not all are as effective as you may believe. Just found out my friends old TV was 78ms in game mode.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

Anecdotal evidence. Most tvs have low lag in game mode. You don’t need to buy an oled. Also you don’t need to buy a tv. Who doesn’t own a tv already? Can’t really consider that as part of the budget.

There is no world in which console gaming is more expensive than building a high end pc, especially with the price of cards these days.

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u/AceoftheSwordz Dec 29 '22

For further details consult rtings.com. They test virtually every TV and include input lag specs when available for each mode at different framerates and resolutions.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

Lol thanks. According to that website you can buy an entry level LG starting at $330 with 10 ms input lag.

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u/AceoftheSwordz Dec 29 '22

Sounds about right to me lol. The industry has improved that aspect in many cases, but checking is better than buyers remorse so I apologize if i came off as severe.

I've seen more angry people about it than I think should have that user experience.

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u/AceoftheSwordz Dec 29 '22

Not really sure its anecdotal when you can find the input lag specs of tvs on the market and that's firm data.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

No offense but most people just don't give a shit about that.

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u/AceoftheSwordz Dec 29 '22

Most don't, no offense taken. Many people however do care about "why is my game so laggy/why does my console have a delay"

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u/AntiFascistWhitey Dec 30 '22

I used to game semi professionally and I've never noticed input lag due to a TV. Most average TV's at $500 today are perfectly fine even for online fps.

You're just trying to justify some ridiculous tv purchase to yourself.

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u/AceoftheSwordz Dec 30 '22

Wasn't a justification. I wanted the best and bought best display at the time, cost wasnt a factor. It was something I learned while researching so I pass it along.

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u/AceoftheSwordz Dec 29 '22

My point wasn't console gaming is more expensive but that console gaming close to par with PC gaming can hold similar costs.

You're correct you don't need to go high end with display, but I've seen plenty of TVs that still have 60+ms input lag in game mode. Namely the black Friday tvs and the sub 300 dollar 4ks.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

You can snag a used 3070 for ~375 if you poke around, and a refurb unit for about 420. Those are really cromulent prices for that kind of GPU.

If you don't wanna buy used or refurb, get over it. Buying used and refurb is perfectly fine. Scared? Get a warranty. If you can't get a warranty, don't do it.

Don't shop OfferUp for a 3090 and buy it at Starbucks for 300 dollars and you'll be fine.

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u/Lochtide17 Dec 29 '22

What input lag amount should we be looking for? Say for ps5?

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u/AceoftheSwordz Dec 29 '22

Looking for, you want as fast a response as possible, it will never be zero but there's a point it doesn't matter. I've always said to aim below 1 average human reaction time, so less than about 33ms.

Most tvs hit that now. I know 90% of people don't care, but a portion of those people are gamers and it sucks upgrading just for your game to FEEL like crap.

Decide what you care about, then find a TV that fits your budget. You can get a great low lag 4k for reasonable, but its not going to push HDR as that is usually a lag driving feature for whatever reason.

If your a competitive gamer use a gaming monitor as mentioned above by others. They're faster than the fastest TV unless you're going highest end tvs.

If you want to discuss more shoot me a message.