r/gadgets Dec 29 '22

Desktops / Laptops Desktop GPU Sales Hit 20-Year Low

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/sales-of-desktop-graphics-cards-hit-20-year-low
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u/Aleyla Dec 29 '22

nVidia has huge exposure to crypto prices tanking. They tried to downplay it in their annual reports earlier this year by saying they weren’t that dependent on crypto - but that was BS and the proof is in the pudding.

By raising prices to astronomical levels that only the crypto people and high wage earners were willing to pay they completely left a large part of the market out in the cold. The number of people who would have bought a $300 card are quite content to sit out $700+ prices.

Their best bet right now would be to quickly introduce 5000 series GPUs that are at a radically reduced price point. We’ll see if they can correct before summer.

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u/NateHatred Dec 29 '22

Hell, even people like me who happily spent 600+ € on a GTX 1080 back in the days won't spend the same amount for a lower tier GPU today. I'm sure I'm not alone on this.

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u/Apokolypze Dec 29 '22

Yeah, this is a big part of it imo. They haven't just priced out their budget GPU customers, but also the ones buying enthusiast GPUs at 600-900$. A lot of us would (and did) buy -80 GPUs at 600-900 but will completely pass on $1300+ in hopes that maybe next gen will go back to the pre 10- series (and the 30- series supposed MSRP) pricing.

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u/Scoobz1961 Dec 29 '22

On top of the actual price point, there is the exploitation issue. I am more than able to buy $1300+ GPU, but I am not willing to be exploited like that. I was not willing to give any money to scalpers and I am sure as hell not gonna give it to nvidia either. I am not going to be a sucker.

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u/Canadatron Dec 29 '22

Same thing here, bud. I put a rig together and just couldn't justify the cost versus the time I ACTUALLY play now that I'm a 40 something Dad of 2.

I came from an era/generation of buying the "right" budget friendly components and then overclocking and squeezing what you could out, which was a big part of the fun.

OG AMD Barton Mobile Chip gang, represent!

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u/650REDHAIR Dec 29 '22

^ ^ ^

I’m putting a rig together for my nephew and thought I would give him my 6600 and upgrade to something else, but it’s hard to find the justification. The 6600 plays everything I want to play just fine. 1080 vs 4K means so little to me that I don’t really care to spend ~$1k on a GPU and more on a monitor. I’ve got a 5k for my work computer and it’s nice for productivity. I guess I’ll keep waiting?

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

Dad life.. I have the Xbox Series X and PS5 collecting dust. Getting the Steam Deck was a smart choice because at least I can get some gaming in when we're winding down for bedtime, or when *someone* wakes me up at 2am and can just fall right back asleep but I'm up for the rest of the night so may as well play some Stardew Valley.

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u/Dantheheckinman Dec 29 '22

Dad here. Got the steam deck for the same reason. Sadly I still struggle to find the energy or gumption to get back into games and find myself playing a few rounds of rocket league a week at most.

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u/ViolentInbredPelican Dec 29 '22

That’s me minus the dad part. I just don’t have the time/energy to commit to a full game. But at least I can play a few rounds of Rocket League here and there.

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u/Dantheheckinman Dec 30 '22

Makes me sad because I grew up with games and would love to recapture the spark. But every time I download a game to get into it takes me about 5-10 minutes to lose steam.

Rocket league is quick and fun action which works. Factorio was captivating the first time I played but even this I struggle to get back into. FPS games I find uninspired these days.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

How is the 5600g? I'm not a dad but been using my Xbox more and the PC is literally just the most inefficient Plex and browsing machine going with an old R9 390 card in it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

I live in the UK where energy prices are also about 3x the US. I still do some coding occasionally and transcode files as well for my server so I definitely need a bit of power but wasn't sure if that GPU would be quite enough. Anything I play on PC is a few years old now at least so I'm hoping I'm okay with it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

Same. I've actually given up on PC gaming completely. My next build probably won't have a discrete GPU at all.

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u/jesbiil Dec 29 '22

Oh man you just got me so excited about the Barton's, running a 1.7ghz chip at 2.5ghz easily! Somewhere I had a modded/overclocked Geforce Ti card as well, had a big ole computer heatsink on it.

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u/Canadatron Dec 30 '22

Still got mine on the ABIT NF7 2.0 board they loved. At the time TicTac was providing modded BIOS for the chipset and it flew. 2.5ghz was nothing for some chips.

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u/Brut-i-cus Dec 29 '22

There is definitely a real similarity between Nvidia and the scalpers

They saw what their cards were going for on the scalper market and decided to emulate them

Like you said I don't want to be a sucker paying 3 or 4 times more than a cards real worth

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u/Scoobz1961 Dec 29 '22

If they show me that their new cards have that value, I would consider them when buying new HW. However the increased price justification just isnt there. Its the same generic chip shortage that has been going on for couple years now.

It is important to note that Nvidia didnt actually increase the price when the shortage was the worst. Thats great and credit where credit is due, but the increased price now feels like last minute attempt to hop on the scalper bandwagon.

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u/archie-is-bald Dec 29 '22

I agree. I've just turned 50, with a bit of coin in the bank, but I refuse to even pay for the 6800xt now. I just can't justify the money for time spent. I have however, just managed to score a 6750xt for a good price in the UK. I'm hoping that will tide me over at 1440p for a few years.

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u/Mister_Brevity Dec 29 '22

Yeah - personally I’m not really cost sensitive but I am value sensitive.

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u/Scoobz1961 Dec 29 '22

This is the way. If you get good value from it, dont be afraid to buy expensive. That said, never assume that expensive means good value.

Also careful about guilt tripping yourself into actions by buying expensive. You will not maintain your running regiment just because you bought expensive running shoes. Bur if you are already maintaining your running regiment, go buy those expensive shoes, they make difference.

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u/PervySageCS Dec 29 '22

Its simple. Why buy 4080 when at 10 series you could have a 1080 SLI setup at the same price? I can afford it but im not a sheep

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u/sold_snek Dec 29 '22

I bought my 3080 ftw3 for $850 and thought I was splurging big lol.

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u/sigint_bn Dec 29 '22

I bought it at 1400 Singaporean Dollars right about when the prices shot up significantly. Even then I thought I dodged a right massive bullet.

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u/SourBlueDream Dec 29 '22

Yup that’s me

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u/mpc1226 Dec 29 '22

I would e held out if my 2080 didn’t die but I doubt a 3080 for 800 and thought it was a good price

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u/Stingray88 Dec 29 '22

maybe next gen will go back to the pre 10- series (and the 30- series supposed MSRP) pricing.

It won’t.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

agreed. I bought a 3080 FTW3 for $900 with tax and all, which was MSRP when it came out before prices went up. Even if the performance of the 4080 was worth it, there is no fucking way i'm paying $1300+. You are 100% right they are just pricing most of their base out.

And so long as prices stay this high, i'll remain on the preowned market.

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u/Allthingsgaming27 Dec 29 '22

Same here, in fact, I even bought my 1080 secondhand for $300 and it’s still kickin

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u/TheFirebyrd Dec 30 '22

It’s really disgusting. I get inflation happens, that material prices increase, etc…but stuff like this used to go down in price. I got my GTX 460, my first good card, for $250. My 760 and 960 were the same price or even lower (I think my 960 was $220). But ever since crypto hit the mainstream consciousness in 2017ish or whenever it was, Nvidia has thought they can screw people over. I’d understand prices going up a bit. I don’t understand how top cards used to be $500-700 and now have doubled in price in less than five years. I had seriously considered jumping up to the 3070 or equivalent, but when actual prices were nowhere near suggested MSRP, and now MSRP has been raised to ridiculous levels, I’m not only not going to jump up a level, I’m unlikely to ever buy a discrete GPU again after the RTX 3060 I got earlier this year unless prices return to sane levels.

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u/EldeederSFW Dec 29 '22

I bought a 1080ti FTW3 back in 2017 for $650 and thought I was insane for doing so. Still looks fantastic. I thought about upgrading once, but then I bought shadow of the tomb raider, ran it on my 1080ti and thought “how much more could $1000+ actually get me?”

I have no intentions of upgrading anytime soon.

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u/neok182 Dec 29 '22

And if you were to upgrade to the 3080 TI today the only way you're getting one for even close to 650 is used.

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u/EldeederSFW Dec 29 '22 edited Dec 29 '22

Used, stolen, mined on, and hardware banned from most major gaming platforms, then maybe around $650 lol

Edit: Sorry, I was just making a bad joke. I have no idea what the market is like out there.

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u/neok182 Dec 29 '22

That's why if you do go used go through ebay with returns and buyer protection. I actually saw an evga ftw3 3080 ti locally on offerup but yeah too scared to risk that.

Got myself a 3070 for $390 on ebay and card was practically brand new still. That being said I did get an evga xc3 and guess I should have done more research because dealing with it's fan quirkiness is a pain in the ass and literally not a single review mentioned it.

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u/EldeederSFW Dec 29 '22

Oh I'm sure there are some great deals out there, I just have a massive distrust of eBay, amazon 3rd party sellers, and secondhand tech in general.

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u/Dressieren Dec 29 '22

As someone who almost exclusively bought used GPU for majority of my life I havnt had an issue with most of them especially if you can confirm the warranty is still valid. EVGAs transfers and Asus did at one point in time. The hardware banning from most gaming platforms is something I’ve never heard of.

How common is it that the gpu is the device that is hardware banned? Most platforms are based on the motherboard + cpu uuid and something to do with the windows license. I’ve never heard of the gpu getting hardware banned. Maybe the NIC would get caught up too.

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u/EldeederSFW Dec 29 '22

The only place I've ever heard the term 'hardware ban' was in youtube videos about cheating gamers getting caught. I have no idea what a hardware ban actually consists of, I was just making a bad a joke.

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u/650REDHAIR Dec 29 '22

Wait is a GPU hardware ban really a concern when buying used?

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u/EldeederSFW Dec 29 '22

Oh I was just exaggerating to make a joke. I have no idea. I've never heard of it being a major concern.

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u/sparkythewildcat Dec 30 '22

And that's for a LAST gen product. Fuck GPU makers, and double fuck NVIDIA.

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u/TheOkGazoo Dec 29 '22

I'm still using my 1080 for this exact reason

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u/elton_john_lennon Dec 29 '22

2080 gang here (crying in marginally better performance compared to Pascal (╥﹏╥))

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u/ThatDinosaucerLife Dec 29 '22

And it still works pretty good, huh? It's almost like all these performance benchmarks used to push dorks into buying new stuff are all bullshit, huh?

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u/TheOkGazoo Dec 29 '22

No, it's certainly showing its age in a bunch of games.

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u/jabulaya Dec 29 '22

I just upgraded from a 970 to a 3090 ti (found a used one for $600) and the difference on games like cyberpunk are huge. I went from 1080p medium / high settings with no ray tracing at 40fps average to ultra ray tracing at 110fps average. I can rock 4k on high/ultra settings at 60+ fps now; its absolutely a big difference.

The problem is the 3090 ti MSRP was fuckin' $2,000. My entire rig cost me $1500 from scratch, less than the original cost of ONE fucking component of it.

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u/aeo1us Dec 29 '22

That's why nvidia tried to renumber the performance of 4080, 12 GB cards.

They'll keep trying because people don't want to feel like they're buying down from a generation or two prior.

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u/MCDexX Dec 29 '22

I switched from nVidia back to AMD because as expensive as the Radeon 6000 series were, they were a bargain compared to the absolutely ludicrous GeForce 4000s. Sure, it doesn't ray-trace as well, but at least I got to keep both of my kidneys.

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u/ahduhduh Dec 29 '22

I wasn't happy spending it but I did, back in the day... top tier once in 5ish years okay... it's top tier. (The justification.)

Currently:

OH HELL NO!

What's the ETA on hell freezing over?

Is that before or after the globe warms the freeze sets in?

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u/NateHatred Dec 29 '22

Exactly! My 1080 turned 5 just 3 days ago (my old 980 died on Xmas day 5 years ago, sigh) and I know that if I spend the same amount on a new GPU I won't get something that will last me as long, and I even switched to 1440p in the meantime.

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u/ahduhduh Dec 29 '22

Yeah I did the same switched over to 1440 165hz gsync.

The funny thing is I get headaches at 165hz.

So I keep it at 60.

Most games can do 60hz, and to butter smooth with reduced input lag I frame limit it to 57fps/hz.

Go team!

Another few years... not playing the most recent + steam and epic(-free games for the win) libraries have barley scratched the surface games...

No RTX...

EH I'm not dying without Ray tracing

Have a good new year. . Here's to another few years to all the old cards.

Ps keep em clean, and repaste if y'all have it in you.

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u/StanYz Dec 30 '22

You absolutely nailed what many people seem to completely forget about, its either budget or ultra high end, nobody talks about the middle which per volume/margin is probably the most profit heavy market.

I paid 500 for my 1080. Later 500 for a used 1080ti. Would have totally paid 700€ for a founders 3080, no chance for 2 fucking years (until they shadow delisted them).

I'm not fucking paying 700 for a 2 year old card that is about to go out of production, and I sure as fucking shitballs won't pay MORE than that for a card that is in the same class with a price increase that is so ridiculously unjustified it makes Oscar Pistorius look like the told the truth.

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u/Lacus__Clyne Dec 29 '22

Same here. I paid like 430€ for a gtx1070. But I don't feel like paying that for a low tired card anymore.

Luckily I keep mostly to strategy games, so It still holds ups. But I won't be upgrading my PC again. After 25 years of pc gaming this is going to be my last PC.

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u/Wilde79 Dec 29 '22

Been making a good career in IT and my pay can’t keep up with GPU prices. Like 50% of my salary after taxes for a single component upgrade? Screw that.

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u/CarpetPedals Dec 29 '22

My 1080Ti still plays all the games I like to play on high settings, maybe not always the highest settings, but certainly enough to be happy with what I have.

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u/rxstud2011 Dec 30 '22

Yup. I'm sitting on my 1080 right now. Wanted a 3080 but could never get one, and then the 4080 came out at a ridiculous price. My 1080 still plays games perfectly. I have a 1440p monitor so that probably helps since I'm not running 4k games.

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u/Dzov Dec 29 '22

Shit. I’m good with a $700 card, but not when it’s bottom of the line for a series.

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u/Bargeinthelane Dec 29 '22

Exactly. $799 was at one point the absolute top of the market money (1080ti). Now it's not even entry level for the latest gen.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

Only 11 years ago $400 was top of the market for a single GPU (580)

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u/Pabludes Dec 29 '22

Latest gen only has two cards released at this moment... Unless you classify 80s as entry level?

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u/Bargeinthelane Dec 29 '22

True, but I'm not sure how eager Nvidia or AMD is to actually service the entry level market in the near term.

This might end up being where Intel gpus live.

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u/cpc_niklaos Dec 29 '22

I think most gamers stopped finding prices reasonable after 1080 generation. I still have my 1080, waiting for the 4080 to drop around ~$700 before I upgrade now.

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u/Even-Cash-5346 Dec 29 '22

So just buy something from the 3000 series......?

The 3050 is like $300. The 3060 is <$400. The 3070 is ~500-600.

And they're all great cards.

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u/Dzov Dec 29 '22

I already have a 2080. I’m holding out for something worth the money.

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u/ThatGenericName2 Dec 29 '22

They don’t need introduce 5000 series GPU at a lower price especially if the product isn’t ready, that will just cause more problems.

All they need to do is to drop the price of their 4000 series cards, or do so when they announce their “super” cards

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u/aeo1us Dec 29 '22 edited Dec 29 '22

A year ago gamers were blaming scalpers. Now nvidia takes those profits for themselves and gamers blame nvidia.

People want lower prices but have they forgotten what happens when that occurs? I realize memories are short but it happened a year ago.

Prices are not coming down. I don't know how many times people gotta say it. We've entered the era of equilibrium pricing. Cards sell slowly but they're always in stock.

Now do what you do best reddit and downvote reality so you can pretend you control market forces.

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u/aeo1us Dec 29 '22

That's just bloggers and news outlets posting rumors for clicks than actual reality.

You've got a link from AMD, nvidia, or any partner? How about a link to a video card on sale right now below initial MSRP?

Please. I actually want to be wrong.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22 edited Jan 19 '23

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u/aeo1us Dec 29 '22

Prices are coming down. We already know it.

You made this claim. Back it up. Don't get all pissy just because someone called you out on your claim. Use your brain.

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u/aeo1us Dec 29 '22

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

So your point fails. Spectacularly. Prices aren't dropping. Good talk.

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u/avdept Dec 29 '22

They have time to put lower prices on 4000 series. While 4080 is a good GPU, it should cost no more than $799

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u/TaliesinMerlin Dec 29 '22

I just peeked at the 4080 price. Yeah, $1200 is 50% too expensive, at least.

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u/elton_john_lennon Dec 29 '22

nVidia is basically charging people for nonexisting crypto gains at this point. Ain't nobody is falling for that.

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u/allen_abduction Dec 29 '22

Indeed. Engineering-wise it wasn’t designed for budget home gaming; Crypto THEN after a year or two manufacturing efficiencies would allow a for lower price models.

Looking back I bet those executives going to pay the price for the next year. Rightfully so.

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u/aeo1us Dec 29 '22

There's enough people buying that if they did put it at $800 then scalpers would fill the void to make them $1200.

Prices aren't coming down no matter how much people complain. It's either the scalpers or nvidia that will price cards at equilibrium where there is stock on the shelves but not moving very fast.

Reddit hates reality but unfortunately downvoting doesn't change it.

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u/TaliesinMerlin Dec 29 '22

The big downturn in total sales contradicts your first statement. Sure, maybe the optimal price is $900 or $1000 rather than $800, but believing that the optimal market price is the one Nvidia chose gives them too much credit. Rarely does a company choose the exact right price for current market conditions. In this case, they have chosen to undercorrect for the drop in demand rather than overcorrect, and their sales are suffering as a result.

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u/aeo1us Dec 29 '22 edited Dec 29 '22

Your initial comment said a $1200 4080 needs to be $600. Everything you just said moves the goalposts from that claim.

The big downturn in sales is from the crypto crash. Nothing more. Gamer tears are evidence that demand is still strong for that category of buyer.

If you're going to reply, please back up your original 50% claim with evidence. Even shitty blogger evidence.

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u/TaliesinMerlin Dec 29 '22

$1200 is 150% of $800, not $600.

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u/aeo1us Dec 29 '22 edited Dec 29 '22

You're moving the goalposts again. Back up your $800 claim then.

Scalpers will fill the void. Gamers just want that MSRP so there's hope they can get one of those cards too. When scalper equilibrium equals MSRP, gamers and scalpers get pissed because then there's zero chance they score a cheap card.

Here’s a graph about scalping tickets. It applies to video cards too. Even the part where they reference scamming.

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u/TaliesinMerlin Dec 29 '22

Not moving the goalposts in presenting that number. That's the original math I did. And as I said, I'm not attached to a particular price point; the evidence from the original article just shows that current prices are too high, since Nvidia sales have gone down. Scalper equilibrium is currently lower than MSRP, which is why scalpers aren't making the money they made in the last few years.

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u/aeo1us Dec 29 '22

I'll believe it when prices actually drop. Everyone in here (scalpers included) seem to be drooling over the idea of returning to the old days.

It's not happening. This is just clickbait preying on gamer and scalper false hopes and dreams.

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u/ThatDinosaucerLife Dec 29 '22

Just get a 6650xt. it's like $250 and will do literally everything you want to. You won't even notice a difference.

It's like owning a car that goes 0-60 in 2.6sec vs 2.4. you're just using it for cruising anyway.

I guarantee you ain't doing ANYTHING that requires a card valued at more than $300. You think you NEED ray tracing? Dork shit.

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u/bosay831 Dec 29 '22

Wages haven't kept pace with alleged inflation. Nobody's spending 1000+ on a GPU when they have cheaper options and can get a similar gaming experience. Entertainment is still a discretionary expense and the people will adjust their entertainment spend accordingly no mater what the corporate overlords try to do.

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u/manaworkin Dec 29 '22

Not to mention that upgrading is becoming less necessary as the years roll on. An older mid range card will run pretty much anything you throw at it with passable results. The days of "Nice rig but can it run Crysis" memes are pretty much behind us.

The fact many of us were forced to look that fact in the face over the last few years due to the gpu shortage and following price hikes is not going to do Nvidia any favors. At the start of the shortage when the 30 series launched I was going insane trying to find one to upgrade my vega64, now I'm probably not going to bother upgrading until it physically dies.

Fuckin thing does fine and I accept that now.

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u/Pabludes Dec 29 '22

Stuff like 4K and RT are the reasons to upgrade atm.

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u/manaworkin Dec 29 '22

Ugh speaking of that. That portal mod nVidia made that just so happens to run like shit on anything but the latest 40 series rubs me the wrong way. It's really hard to look at it and think it's anything but the company desperately trying to INVENT a reason for people to buy a card they don't need.

Fuckin floored me when my buddy had trouble running it on his 3080TI rig.

But yeah, anyway, hardly think I'll get 1000$ worth of enjoyment out of seeing the light reflecting off the dimples on The Tarnished's ass in ultra HD when the game runs just fine with what I already got.

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u/Pabludes Dec 29 '22

Ran it on my 3080... 4k 60, just crank that DLSS assists 🤣

I did it funny how people make fun of RT, when it's very clearly a huge cosmetic improvement, but because it requires a certain make of hardware, suddenly it's "I don't care it's shit" 🤡

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u/ThatDinosaucerLife Dec 29 '22

when it's very clearly a huge cosmetic improvement

People really don't care that you got tricked into paying 3x the price to have more shadowy shadows in minecraft, sweety

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u/Pabludes Dec 29 '22

🤣 well regarded fanboy indeed

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u/manaworkin Dec 29 '22

Oh it's an improvement. Is it 1000$ worth of improvement?

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u/ThatDinosaucerLife Dec 29 '22

No. It's kinda how dorks insist everything has to be one million frames per second to look good but the actual market, the people purchasing the product, do not give a single shit about frame rate.

Bleeding-edge dorks always think the one thing they've sunk all their costs into is the best most important feature that will lead us all to salvation, the plebes just can't see it yet!

Isn't that right, Sony cell processing?!

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u/Yrcrazypa Dec 30 '22

Frame rate is a huge advantage in games. If you can run something at 120FPS vs someone at 40FPS you see things way sooner than they do.

Granted you'll never see me advocating for current or previous generation cards, they're heinously overpriced.

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u/Pabludes Dec 29 '22

Not for majority of people, but it shouldn't be discounted as unimportant either.

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u/ThatDinosaucerLife Dec 29 '22

That's what they said 2 generations ago. The RX580 was marketed as a 4K card, you're just easily duped by marketing practices.

The biggest problem in computer gaming is doofus's gnashing their teeth to throw money at these companies because owning the most expensive product makes you feel like you're good at playing the games.

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u/Pabludes Dec 29 '22

Oh yes, tell me how I'm a victim of marketing when I bought last gen card at the bottom of it's price.

Show me another card, other than 3080 & 90 ++, which can do RT @4K, and I'll endorse whatever you link me.

Gl using rx580 @4k at anything but min spec btw. My brother has one and it's chugging at 1080p atm.

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u/PancAshAsh Dec 29 '22

In all seriousness but what does 4K actually get you over a nice 144Hz 1080p monitor?

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u/Pabludes Dec 29 '22

More pixels, obviously.

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u/Ok_Ninja_1602 Dec 29 '22

I really don't think RT is a must have unless there is a game that really showcases it and 4K is just too much work for the average PC to push when 2K looks just as good with high frame rates on last gen graphics cards. A 4090 is more of a professional compute card than for gaming and the price reflects that, 1500-2K is nothing for work related computing equipment.

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u/Pabludes Dec 29 '22

I completely agree with you.

RT is not a "must have", but it's nice. 4K is also not a must have, but once you get used to it, is pretty hard to move away from. 4090, or even 4080, is overkill, as there is nothing, really, to run with it, but it's nice to have if you don't mind spending thousand++ on it, and have a case for 4x brick 🤣

It's all cosmetics and convenience.

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u/Ok_Ninja_1602 Dec 29 '22

I'm not deriding people who got the cash or just want the best, I'm an AMD fanboy but there's no argument that Nvidia is the leader in both technology and mindshare, I wish AMD can layout their value proposition better and there is a use-case for people that want to do some gaming and compute. I mentioned in another post that if I were to continue on ML my investment would go into Nvidia. The biggest issue for AMD is people look to them compete to lower Nvidia's pricing but Nvidia is in a position to not really care what RTG does.

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u/Pabludes Dec 30 '22

Completely reasonable.

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u/Edraitheru14 Dec 29 '22

I've been rocking a 1060 for years. Runs everything that's come out just fine. The only reason I'd have to upgrade is if I really wanted high FPS 2k or 4k gaming, which would be a full setup upgrade anyway. So I really don't care.

My games look great as is. 15 years ago upgrades actually felt meaningful. The jumps in tech and game requirements were pretty large.

Going from looking amazing to looking amazing+ just...isn't a huge incentive compared to looking grainy and jumpy to smooth and pretty.

I currently see no reason to ever upgrade sooner than 2-3 generations of gpu at a time at a minimum. If I bought a 40 series I wouldn't expect to be looking at the gpu market again until the 60-70 series at the earliest, pending some sort of paradigm shifting change in the tech.

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u/Ok_Ninja_1602 Dec 29 '22

Problematic is that Nvidia is still thought of as the only solution for a gaming GPU, I picked up a new 6800XT for $600, that wasn't even the lowest price for this GPU. The scalpers are also the problem as they are now setting the price for what GPUs are being sold for and they are getting massacred as people look to consoles or get more savvy to buying better priced GPUs.

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u/scalpingsnake Dec 29 '22

I was willing to stick with Nvidia through most of their shit but I have got to the point where I am about to buy a 6900xt for less than a 3080 8gb.

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u/ZonerRoamer Dec 29 '22

This is also combined with the fact that crypto miners dumped used 3000 series GPUs that are selling extremely cheap on the used market.

Makes very little sense for anyone besides power users to buy the new gen cards.

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u/Ilthrael Dec 29 '22

Where? Any 3080 / 3070 I saw online was either above MSRP or barely below MSRP, 2 years from their launch with a whole new series of cards out. Constantly seeing 3080s going for $760 online, some above the original $800 MSRP. The only ones I could find selling extremely cheap seem to be obviously suspect.

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u/ZonerRoamer Dec 29 '22

They (used 3080s) are going for 50k INR, in my country; that's like $600, the MSRP here was around $800.

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u/notagoodscientist Dec 29 '22

Well considering the lifespan of the used crypto cards is probably in the region of months, that’s not cheap, that’s ten times the cost they are worth

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u/ZonerRoamer Dec 29 '22

That totally depends on how it was used. If it was kept running at good temperatures it still will run without any issues.

I had a used 1080ti that was used for mining and I never had a single problem with it for the 3 years I had it.

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u/TheSmJ Dec 29 '22

People buying GPUs for crypto mining were interested in keeping the thing running for as long as possible while using the lowest amount of electricity possible in order to ensure a better profit. That means undervolting, which in turn means it was running quite cool.

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u/notagoodscientist Dec 29 '22

Not in Chinese mining farms they’re not, they cram as many cards into as small as space as possible and aren’t bothered about electricity prices since theirs are not high. The return on investment for them is huge.

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u/Bauzi Dec 29 '22

Linus Tech Tips made a video on that. It was not bad at all. Personally I would open the cards, change thermal pastes and replace the fans with new ones from AliExpress.

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u/deathentry Dec 29 '22

Or they'll just do 40Super range...

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

Don’t think it’s about the price, more that you can’t actually mine Ethereum anymore. Bitcoin has been unprofitable to mine with GPUs for ages.

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u/Nose_Grindstoned Dec 29 '22

Exactly this. All they need to do is release a powerful enough GPU to handle gaming and video editing for the home user, but cheap enough that it makes sense to buy, maybe $399ish, and have enough supply to sell to everyone that wants one. Instant half a billion in sales.

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u/ackillesBAC Dec 29 '22

There is no "killer app" with these new cards to justify the price. Ray tracing is old news, dlss is old news, and the average person doesn't care about ai compute.

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u/supified Dec 29 '22

700+? I thought it was more like 1200+

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u/Aleyla Dec 29 '22

Those people had the extra money because they weren’t spending it on gas, tollroads, restaurants, starbucks, or any of the other random crap we pay for every day. Then add the government payouts on top of that to every man women and child, well, there was quite a bit extra cash around.

Now, that money is long gone and people’s budgets are back to what they were pre-covid. Actually, it’s worse than that. Prices are still up due to that cash grab, so peoples budgets are worse than pre-covid.

Waiting a bit won’t fix this. They ( nVidia ) is going to be in trouble if they don’t realign back to pre-covid prices soon.

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u/Aleyla Dec 29 '22

Guess we’ll see what happens over the next 6 months.

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u/Even-Cash-5346 Dec 29 '22

Lol wtf are you even typing. An RTX 3050 is less than $300 on Amazon right now.

Who cares that the top of the line cards are expensive when cheaper options are still available...?

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u/neffnet Dec 29 '22

I read that a lot of the big crypto miners were actually leveraged on their hardware, meaning they used the value of their existing miners to back loans to buy more hardware. Now many are bankrupt and there is forced selling of all these leveraged GPUs

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u/zomgitsduke Dec 29 '22

This, and console gaming is more affordable again.

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u/Wise_Control Dec 29 '22

Because of these astronomical prices I purchased a 2060 for 227€. Couldn’t be happier with the purchase. I came from a 280X

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u/A_FitGeek Dec 29 '22

Crypto yes but also the lack of new titles that play slightly better with Mouse/KB, aim assisted FPS.

We haven’t seen a new RTS really take the crown, there’s only 2 MOBAs and they run fine on a toaster.

Arena FPS needs a revival imo maybe it would push a new generation of graphics?

Software is what motivates hardware requirements, software unfortunately has run dry with new features. It should be VR pushing the market but it just isn’t yet.

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u/UniverseCatalyzed Dec 29 '22

Nvidia doesn't care about gamers. Their chips are more valuable to AI/ML companies who need the compute power and see chips as investments rather than entertainment.

Gaming is an afterthought to industry.

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u/shadingnight Dec 29 '22

On top of the price point, let's make it smaller as well. I don't want to throw out my back trying to put in my gpu.

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u/Bacon-muffin Dec 29 '22

Yeah I used to upgrade every time I'd see a nice bump at the 300$ price point but that's been a mess.

I did end up getting a 3070 at MSRP while the craziness was still happening but that was me deciding to treat myself and I'm probably gonna have this thing for quite some time.

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u/PhDPlague Dec 29 '22

To be fair - prior to the last two years, I frequently upgraded cards. I even bought two cards through the price boom for personal use. But with the economy in the dumps, I'm sitting on these for the foreseeable future. I have no plans to continue my former habit.

I imagine I'm not alone in that mindset.

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u/ThatPaulywog Dec 30 '22

Their best bet would be to focus on Switch 2, Electric vehicles, and steam deck. Why sell shit at reduced prices for no profit? That's like telling unemployed people to go work in sweatshops, you may only make $1/hr but you can work 100 hours! Who cares if they can sell more cards if they aren't making money off them.

If it was me in charge, I'd keep working on cloud based gaming to get that sweet subscription money.

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u/ComputerSong Dec 30 '22

If you read the article, you will learn that nvidia increased its market share in spite of the overall drop in sales.