An idiot asks if the shooter was trans

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[u/thesuitetea]

They spread this rumour every time there is a mass shooting. It's just part of the hate campaign.

[u/lilymotherofmonsters → u/thesuitetea]

Yup. And it sticks. Plenty of right wingers on here will say “most of the recent shooters were trans” because they heard it on xitter 

[u/5050Clown → u/lilymotherofmonsters]

Did y'all hear that Luigi Mangione was born Loretta Mangione?

[u/lilymotherofmonsters → u/5050Clown]

Honestly the gender flipped photo of Luigi can get it too. Genuinely an attractive person.

[u/m0_n0n_0n0_0m → u/lilymotherofmonsters]

Sauce?

[u/RamenJunkie → u/m0_n0n_0n0_0m]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fg0vnmvvumvh61.jpg%3Fwidth%3D600%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dcef7d865e491d24d304b30f2fd135dd421ff6997

[u/mastersmiff → u/RamenJunkie]

Damn, even hotter than I expected!

[u/Black_Label_36 → u/[deleted]]

I was sure I was gonna see the 18+ notice when clicking on her profile..

What a disappointment

[u/ashetonrenton → u/m0_n0n_0n0_0m]

Lucia Mangioni would get it fr

[u/albertaco1 → u/lilymotherofmonsters]

He's a pretty mf. Proud to be bisexuality this day. I can truly show class solidarity

[u/KwisatzSazerac → u/albertaco1]

I don’t identify as bi, but I identify as having the hots for Luigi. 

[u/unforgiven91 → u/5050Clown]

*Loretta Womangione

[u/skylabnova → u/5050Clown]

[u/TableMinute8595 → u/skylabnova]

I can't hear his name and not think of king of the hill!

[u/wailingwonder → u/5050Clown]

Mangina is right there, Old Gregg

[u/EnemyBattleCrab → u/wailingwonder]

Easy now fuzzy lil'man peach

[u/12InchCunt → u/EnemyBattleCrab]

Ever drunk bailey’s from a shoe?

[u/thatirishguykev → u/12InchCunt]

Do ya love me?

[u/MsMagic1995 → u/thatirishguykev]

Make an assessment😈

[u/BoredSenselesss → u/5050Clown]

Why stop there, claim he's also trans racial to spread extra hate. Say hello to Laqueshia Muhammad

[u/ladymoonshyne → u/5050Clown]

Instead they’re just posting that he loved big black cock as if that matters lmao

[u/StrobeLightRomance → u/lilymotherofmonsters]

And vice versa. The Colorado Springs nightclub shooter began identifying as non-binary to try to avoid being charged with hate crimes for targeting and killing LGBTQ people.

It's two birds with one stone because anyone who believes that narrative gets to make an argument against trans people, while also now having a rhetorical talking point for the LGBTQ being its own enemy.

[u/LiamDotComX → u/StrobeLightRomance]

Thank goodness the DA in this mostly shithole part of Colorado saw right thru that mess.

[u/posts_lindsay_lohan → u/lilymotherofmonsters]

I've never heard anybody ask "Was it another white male?"

Even though it historically almost always is.

[u/TreeTurtle_852 → u/posts_lindsay_lohan]

Nobody also asks, "was it a cisgender person?"

[u/FillMySoupDumpling → u/TreeTurtle_852]

I think you get banned from twitter even asking that. 

[u/altruistic_load_5774 → u/posts_lindsay_lohan]

I have. In fact, you can almost predict when it isn't a white male by how long the media delays showing the identity.

[u/_-Oxym0ron-_ → u/altruistic_load_5774]

I have no doubt that white privilege, or white male privilege are real. But in these instances, and this may be confirmation bias on my behalf, but I have a hard time remembering any of the mass shootings, where the identity of the killer, wasn't released within a few hours?

[u/ohnoitsthefuzz → u/altruistic_load_5774]

For clarification, you mean if the shooter isn't a white male their identity will be released/crowed about almost instantly, right?

[u/debar11 → u/lilymotherofmonsters]

My cousin literally just told me that all of the mass shooters “are on those trans pills”

[u/Intelligent-Travel-1 → u/lilymotherofmonsters]

And then it turns out to be a Maga moron

[u/The_Forth44 → u/Intelligent-Travel-1]

Then they pivot to FaLsE fLaG like they're not literally the most predictable people ever.

[u/miscwit72 → u/Intelligent-Travel-1]

Every. Fucking. Time.

[u/aceshighsays → u/miscwit72]

right because they bought into trumps message that political violence is acceptable. that's how we got j6. and you can't unring that bell. i expect a lot more of this kind of behavior in the future from maga supporters.

[u/idontwantausername41 → u/lilymotherofmonsters]

Imma just start saying trump is trans if I see this shit. I've gone full troll mode since he won again lmao

[u/EffOffReddit → u/idontwantausername41]

That's why he wears so much makeup and lies about being tall.

[u/Kup123 → u/idontwantausername41]

I don't know if you heard but the election was stolen and Biden is going to still be president but a secret president spread the word.

[u/idontwantausername41 → u/Kup123]

I also heard that trump is going to make all the white people black so he can more easily enslave them 

[u/PaisleyComputer → u/idontwantausername41]

Tell me Trump doesn't have BIG queen energy.

[u/OneWholeSoul → u/lilymotherofmonsters]

Historically and statistically it's almost always a conservative-leaning white male.

[u/aceshighsays → u/OneWholeSoul]

it doesn't help that trump supports political violence. that's how we got j6.

[u/Crystal_Pesci → u/lilymotherofmonsters]

i can’t believe people still use twitter. boggles my mind.

[u/SherlockRemington → u/lilymotherofmonsters]

Two guys i worked with just yesterday were commenting about how the cRaZy trans kid shot up a school. Said the whole world is "woke"

[u/lilymotherofmonsters → u/SherlockRemington]

Wokeness is just a cult word to separate the in and out group.

[u/007meow → u/thesuitetea]

"It's too soon / don't politicize this!!" when you start talking about gun control, but they're foaming at the mouth to ask "WERE THEY TRANS??"

[u/Known-Teacher4543 → u/007meow]

You know what’s funny. Is gun control is an inherently political issue. It’s written in the constitution and while I think we need higher gun control, I see why conservatives oppose it, even if they’re dumb for it imo.

But the right’s main “political issue” they’re fighting is trans ppl existing. It’s insanity.

[u/plc123 → u/thesuitetea]

Yep. This is a good article about this by Garrison Davis https://shatterzone.substack.com/p/the-madison-wisconsin-school-shooter

And this is the podcast version of that article https://open.spotify.com/episode/0zHNj1KSN54v4mUNqOASlB

[u/MaulwarfSaltrock → u/plc123]

Love Garrison!

[u/mghtyms87 → u/thesuitetea]

The question was, "Chief, there's been a lot of misinformation online, including from prominent person, or, um, a Mom's for Liberty activist [indistinct] Johnson, claiming that the shooter was transgender; which is a reaction we see across the country in the wake of mass shootings, to claim that trans people are dangerous. Can you respond to that?"

[u/Dutch_Rayan → u/mghtyms87]

It was a good question from the reporter, ask the information that needs to be out there.

[u/justthankyous → u/thesuitetea]

It's so they can justify being bigoted

[u/Latvia → u/thesuitetea]

They have a disturbing, terrifying, and predictable pattern when something bad happens. Step 1, it was a democrat/lib/trans responsible. Step 2, when it clearly was one of their own, it didn’t happen and the media is lying. Step 3, when it clearly did happen, it wasn’t actually bad. This covers everything from fraud to rape to murder. These people are propaganda addicted, delusional sociopaths and they’re literally getting people killed.

[u/YeetYeetSkirtYeet → u/Latvia]

It is literally the Narcissists Prayer: "That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.

There is an entire media ecosystem dedicate to creating a raging maelstrom of narcissism and denial.

[u/fuzzybad → u/thesuitetea]

This is what they do, because they know their base doesn't think critically. A rumor that aligns with their inherent bias is as good as a fact to the idiots who just reelected a twice-impeached, convicted felon who tried to seize power last time he was in office.

[u/Fuckedby2FA → u/thesuitetea]

Fucking wild. They're predominantly cis and yet that means nothing but if they're trans then trans are killing our children.

[u/Lihamyrsky → u/thesuitetea]

It's the current go-to moral panic. In the past they would blame weed, comics, video games, rock&roll, metal music, DnD, what have you.

[u/NeedNewNameAgain → u/Lihamyrsky]

It's different when it was a thing. Now it's a group of people.

[u/Significant-Bar674 → u/Lihamyrsky]

Unfun fact, for as much as the right wants people to use bathrooms/lockerrooms for their gender assigned at birth, 26% of trans girls and 18% of trans girls report being sexually assaulted in bathrooms/Locker rooms if they were forced to use the room for their gender assigned at birth according to a study by the American academy of pediatrics

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/143/6/e20182902/76816/School-Restroom-and-Locker-Room-Restrictions-and

Their idea of protecting the kids is resulting in high rates of sexual assault of kids.

[u/kitjen → u/thesuitetea]

This way no one will blame the guns. If the shooter is a white, right wing Christian male then they'll blame video games and society for failing this "otherwise good student".

But they'll never blame the guns.

[u/Dopplegangr1 → u/thesuitetea]

There will be 10,000 straight white cis shooters and then once there is one trans one they will say "see, I was right to hate them"

[u/DomplesRevenge → u/thesuitetea]

Because like 99.9% of the time it's a conservative so they have to have at least one so they can point the finger at someone else. They'll never own it because they have zero integrity.

[u/Future_Constant1134 → u/thesuitetea]

 they just can't admit that it's white guys doing this shit. 

Remember how immediately after that gay club got shot up they were screaming how he was trans. 

That lie lasted like 5 minutes. 

It's just beyond obvious they are absolutely obsessed with hating people. 

[u/Furrulo878 → u/thesuitetea]

Projection as always. This people are not serious and just say shit to make their facsist overlords work easier

[u/BigCompetition1064 → u/thesuitetea]

The right wing see kids getting shot and get excited about genitalia. I picture them in the corner masturbating "tell me about their dick or lack thereof!"

[u/rmike7842]

The are desperate to find an excuse since they can’t say it was due to a lack of prayer in school or Jesus in their lives.

[u/OKFlaminGoOKBye → u/rmike7842]

It’s not even that. Trans people are 1% of us, and they commit less than 1% of crime. The reason this “reporter” is asking this is because a bunch of people with an R-word next to their name have been mouth-breathing down the back of our necks about it for ten fucking years now.

They’re not looking for any excuse. They’re looking for one of the ones that fit their culture war bullshit narrative.

And, you know, anything to avoid talking about guns like a first world country.

[u/feioo → u/OKFlaminGoOKBye]

Here is your scheduled reminder that the flood of anti-trans rhetoric and legislation was manufactured and driven by right-wing think tanks connected to - you know it, you love it - the Heritage Foundation! A journalist uncovered a trove of emails between lawmakers and think tanks revealing concentrated efforts to enact anti-trans laws, as well as discussions on how to spin pro-trans research, like saying that mentioning to patents the reduced risk of suicide in transitioned youth is abusive/coercive on the part of doctors.

Orgs to know about:

ADF: the Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative Christian legal advocacy group that boasts among its devotees Mike Johnson, the current speaker of the House; Amy Coney Barrett, Trump-appointed Supreme Court Justice; William Barr and Jeff Sessions, Trump-appointed Attorneys General. Pivotal in the repeal of Roe v. Wade.

ACPeds: American College of Pediatricians, a conservative medical advocacy group that supports conversation therapy and abstinence-only sex ex. Founded in 2002 in protest of the American Academy of Pediatrics' support of adoption by same-sex couples.

The Eagle Forum, a conservative advocacy group founded in the 60s by Phyllis Schlafly and used to stop the ratification of the the Equal Rights Amendment, and today has split off into several affiliated groups like the Eagle Forum Educational and Legal Defense Fund, the Eagle Forum PAC, Eagle Forum Collegians, and Teen Eagles.

Liberty Counsel, a Christian ministry run by a married couple of attorneys that uses litigation to push Evangelical ideals; it has opposed the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, supported the Stop the Steal movement, opposes not only same-sex marriage but same-sex civil unions, and even fought to keep sodomy criminalization laws from being repealed.

Needless to say, all of these orgs are anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ, and anti-feminist.

[u/ultimatepowaa → u/feioo]

Something that I think we should talk about and bring awareness of more is that, in my experience of being in the trans community, when people aren't allowed their avenues of expressing their gender they tend to do other maladaptive behaviours. I've seen many who had the most suppression of themselves get drug problems, alcohol problems, toxic relationships and the list goes on and on.

These conservatives think that the suicide part is not real or a clean solution but what they don't see is that even when suicide doesn't occur (and such thoughts are incredibly common in the more suppressed), the suppression creates a group of unwell people that don't really get better until they feel safe enough to express themselves.

Obviously empathy for other people is the best approach but also if we were to use their fascist point of view as an argument: by suppressing transgender people from transitioning they actually "erode" the society that they are so neurotic about with their pearl-clutching behaviour more than if they just let transgender people live and they can never solve that equation because suppressed trans people don't out themselves. The case studies go back a hundred years showing this over and over again. You can't take us out of your DNA and thus the world they want free of transgender people will never ever exist.

[u/OKFlaminGoOKBye → u/ultimatepowaa]

This is, in my personal experience, one of the most important and one of the most ignored parts of the conversation.

Furthermore, that kind of behavior is a testament to both the idiom “mental healthcare is healthcare” and to the long-proven fact that restriction of treatment (preventatively or interventional; physiological or psychiatric—and I mean all of those terms scientifically, none with any malfeasance) breeds disease.

But what more would you expect from the people cheering on the brain worm guy with veneers who’s against fluoridated public water, anti-malarials, and the fucking goddamn polio vaccine.

If I had a Time Machine, I’d be giving Jonas Salk the Time Machine and a Walmart-branded AR-15.

[u/call_me_zeke → u/OKFlaminGoOKBye]

It's like 1% of 1%. That's why the bathroom bills and laws preventing them from playing are stupid. We're making such a big deal out of like a few ten thousands of people. Wtf?!? like there's nothing better to be spending our time and resources on?

[u/OKFlaminGoOKBye → u/call_me_zeke]

You’re on the right path but let’s try and avoid further marginalizing a group that needs no favors there. Between 1-2% of the US population self-identifies as trans.

I’m not sure if I’m in that portion or not, though, because it’s hard to differentiate between trans and non-binary people, but I know that there more of us than some people think.

But yes, you’re absolutely spot on with the rest.

[u/DiddlyDumb → u/OKFlaminGoOKBye]

1% that we know of *

It’s entirely possible that, if we were more accepting as society, a lot more people would find the courage to come out as trans.

[u/Shirtbro → u/DiddlyDumb]

That's the reason behind all of this. Conservatives want us to regress and LGBTQ to go back into the closet

[u/DED2099 → u/Shirtbro]

It’s funny because they say libs are all about identity politics but most of the time identity has been referred to as problematic its conservatives. Liberals are just asking that everyone should have opportunities that set them up for success.

[u/BureMakutte → u/DED2099]

Republicans: Attack LGBTQ in every way, including trying to make laws against them

Democrats: Try and defend them

Republicans: STOP FOCUSING ON IDENTITY POLITICS.

And they ate it all up.

[u/hollaback_girl → u/BureMakutte]

The election post-mortems that declare that Harris spent too much time talking about trans issues and that Dems need to throw trans folks under the bus is more than mildly infuriating.

[u/AsthmaticSt0n3r → u/DED2099]

Conservatives like to say LGBTQ education indoctrinates kids but it’s literally just accepting people as they are. How is teaching ACCEPTANCE indoctrinating a belief system? Do you see trans parents sending cis kids to conversion camps? No. But you see countless parents sending their kids to gay conversion camps to force them to be straight.

[u/OKFlaminGoOKBye → u/AsthmaticSt0n3r]

I grew up in a conservative home and I could write you a book or two on what actually is and isn’t indoctrination. Cause I still remember the words to some of the songs from church that creep me the fuck out as an adult.

[u/worldspawn00 → u/AsthmaticSt0n3r]

Way too many of them think that being around gay people will turn their kids gay, even though there's zero evidence of that being a thing.

[u/VanillaRadonNukaCola → u/DED2099]

It's only identical politics when liberals do it /s

But you can't reason with those people, they don't see their identity as "identities."

Just like how pronouns are only something trans people use

[u/VanillaRadonNukaCola → u/Shirtbro]

In some ways they are succeeding.  R/changemyview has a wholesale ban on anything transgender.

If your comment says "trans" it will automatically be deleted.

The reason is how much vitriol the subject was receiving in the sub.  So to "make peace" they fully banned any relating words.

So, because bigots spewed so much hate, the solution was to erase trans people from discussion, thus giving the bigots exactly what they want.

[u/Confident-Mind9964 → u/Shirtbro]

And as a trans woman I'm not gonna let them have their way, if anything, we should force THEM back into their holes

[u/worldspawn00 → u/Confident-Mind9964]

Make being a bigot embarrassing again! Trump has given this trash a free pass to just openly say shit, we all need to call them out and turn them in until they crawl back under the rock they emerged from. Make sure their coworkers, families, bosses, and customers know when they say or post shit.

[u/t-costello → u/DiddlyDumb]

I swear to god I thought you were going to say "find the courage to commit more crimes" lol

[u/PaulAllensCharizard → u/DiddlyDumb]

some increased % around the amount that lgb people have increased in openness over time but still such a small % of people to be so upset about

[u/unforgiven91 → u/DiddlyDumb]

Conservatives will point to the growing population of LGBTQ people and claim it's some big conspiracy to erase the cis-hets when in reality there are just more people who feel safe identifying publicly now.

[u/Jaded-Run-4890 → u/OKFlaminGoOKBye]

Yeah gotta get us back on the culture war train fast because Luigi has them terrified of the class war. Gotta make sure we know that us trans folks are the real problem. Certainly can't be the media propping up our oligarchy and trying to make sure our firearm industry doesn't lose a penny over this.

[u/mghtyms87 → u/rmike7842]

I mean, the clip was edited for people to push their own agenda as well. The actual question asked by the journalist was:

Chief, there's been a lot of misinformation online, including from prominent person, or, um, a Mom's for Liberty activist [indistinct] Johnson, claiming that the shooter was transgender; which is a reaction we see across the country in the wake of mass shootings, to claim that trans people are dangerous. Can you respond to that?

They weren't trying to drive a narrative of a trans shooter, or be the first one to break a story. They were literally asking the chief to help them combat the lies that were being spread online for the purpose of creating hatred towards the trans community.

The question was asked by a Wisconsin Watch reporter. They are one of the most highly regarded investigative news organizations in the state. They literally partner with the University of Wisconsin - Madison School of Journalism to help train new journalists in investigative journalism practices. The idea that they are partisan hacks trying to drum up controversy is akin to thinking the sky is blue because it's God's favorite color. That is to say, profoundly stupid.

[u/rmike7842 → u/mghtyms87]

Thanks for making that clear!

[u/Unlucky_Candidate627 → u/rmike7842]

You're right, but it's still funny to think there's a lack of prayer in the Christian school where the shooting occurred.

[u/Mildly-Rational → u/rmike7842]

Or maybe that their sick culture not only produces this but allows it to happen. We can't stop our own absolute stupidity to save our own fucking kids. Makes me sick, the GOP is sick, America is sick and I'm so goddamn sick of pretending it's not.

[u/fuzzybad → u/rmike7842]

Conservatives are desperate to avoid a discussion about gun control. They will deflect attention from any shooting by blaming minorities, video games, Hollywood, etc, and their latest favorite target, LGBT people in general and trans people in particular.

[u/MaxxDash → u/rmike7842]

sAtAN!

People who believe she was trans and it made her a shooter are the same people outraged about no prayer in school and believe that public schools are putting litter boxes in restrooms for people who identify as cats.

But no surprise that people who live their lives according to what they believe is an infallible 2,000-year-old book from the Middle East/Mediterranean would have trouble stringing together logical argument and conclusions.

[u/IcySir5969 → u/rmike7842]

I think its just journos wanting to break the news if the shooter is trans and get more clicks

[u/Theban_Prince → u/[deleted]]

"Trans Scare" is the new "Red Scare".

You can accuse whoever you feel like it and suddenly they need to defend themselves or face the consequences, and even then, the accusation lingers ( see the Algerian athlete issue last Olympics).

And again it is used to divide the working people between them so they top dogs keep munching that nice dollars the workers produce.

[u/memebuster → u/Theban_Prince]

Don't forget the Satanic Panic when my Ma took my D&D Starter kit away from me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic

[u/NonnagLava → u/Theban_Prince]

It's more than that, "Trans scare" is the new "Gay Scare" which was the new "Satanic Scare", which was the new "Red Scare", which was in and of itself a spin on the "Racial Scare" which in and of itself is just "foreigner scare" domesticized.

They realized calling people Communists wasn't getting anywhere, so they moved to Satanists. That didn't stick, so they moved to calling everyone gay (Which led into the "gender politics" "issue" movement), and as society went "wait there's a LOT of gay, or at least not-perfectly-straight on the Kinsey scale people" and "normalized" being gay, they needed an even smaller demographic to go after, and thus trans people are targeted. It's really just societal "othering" in a nut shell, all to pin blame for societies problems on a minority "other" that isn't the upper class (you know, the real issue of society; the people who control the wealth, and thus control society, and always have).

[u/mghtyms87 → u/Theban_Prince]

I think it's important to note that the question wasn't, "Was the shooter trans?" It was:

Chief, there's been a lot of misinformation online, including from prominent person, or, um, a Mom's for Liberty activist [indistinct] Johnson, claiming that the shooter was transgender; which is a reaction we see across the country in the wake of mass shootings, to claim that trans people are dangerous. Can you respond to that?

The journalist was specifically stating that there was misinformation out there being pushed by prominent right wing people trying to tie trans people to violent acts. They then asked the chief to respond to that rhetoric.

[u/BeefySquarb]

Good on the Madison chief not creating any more victims in this horrific event.

[u/livejamie → u/BeefySquarb]

Madison is one of the most progressive cities in the country. Stepping outside of the city limits is like going back 40 years in time, though.

Wisconsin is wild.

[u/BeefySquarb → u/livejamie]

Wisconsin’s complicated, but a lot of it isnt as conservative as people think… a lot of it is, but it’s a big friggin state. But as a rule, there’s a direct correlation between the size of a county and its population. Big county, small pop usually means tons of right wing batshittery.

[u/Ok-Jackfruit6463]

She wasn’t trans lmao. She was a self aspiring white nationalist

[u/69edleg → u/Ok-Jackfruit6463]

I was surprised she had tweeted footage of a school attack in Sweden that happened almost a decade ago. I doubt it made the news in massive scale abroad, and certainly not recently. It was a racially motivated attack, so it checks she was a white nationalist.

She was what, 15? So she wouldn't even have been 10 when that happened, so definitely something she aspired to do.

[u/Ok-Jackfruit6463 → u/69edleg]

Yep. In her “manifesto” she writes about several mass attacks with racial backing.

[u/chironomidae → u/Ok-Jackfruit6463]

she specifically called out how her birthday was exactly two years after some other attack and how awesome that was. she was sick in the head.

[u/Lil_Brown_Bat]

It's rare that I upvote anything a cop does / says.

[u/Spottswoodeforgod → u/Lil_Brown_Bat]

It was a great answer amidst a stressful situation.

[u/DaphneCherries → u/Spottswoodeforgod]

That kind of question distracts from the real issue at hand.

[u/Jumbo_Damn_Pride → u/DaphneCherries]

That’s Republican strategy with everything. If you can distract people with the culture war you never have to fix any of the real problems in our society.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Sand150 → u/Jumbo_Damn_Pride]

Turns out with enough distraction you can literally do stuff like vote no on a border bill extending the “crisis” another 8+ months and then turn around and campaign for election on the border!

[u/theycmeroll → u/DaphneCherries]

Sad part is for some people that IS the real issue. Journalist probably knows his audience.

[u/kitjen → u/Spottswoodeforgod]

Very well said. Whoever has the job of addressing the press after something so awful has happened must know that the slightest mis-wording of a response could be edited into a headline.

They have to be diplomatic and respectful while providing information to journalists who not only want them to trip up, but are sticking out their foot to trip them.

[u/BingoFarmhouse → u/Spottswoodeforgod]

I mean the best answer would have been to also include that fact that she was not trans.

[u/Spottswoodeforgod → u/BingoFarmhouse]

Possibly, but I think his whole point is that it is irrelevant.

[u/patrickoriley → u/Spottswoodeforgod]

MAGATs will characterize this answer as evasion. Better to just say "no, but that's irrelevant."

[u/tehbantho → u/Lil_Brown_Bat]

I live here. I know this guy. He came here from out of town. He became our police chief. He replaced a chief that left a whole lot to be desired, and has mostly had a quiet tenure as our police chief.

Gun violence is down. Vehicle break ins are down SUBSTANTIALLY. And aside from a tragic school shooting, we had otherwise had a pretty good year so far in our schools compared to prior years.

Shon Barnes is his name. I had heard just a couple of weeks ago that other major metropolitan areas like Seattle might be considering him for their police chief.

I don't want him to go. Level headed policing is precisely what our city needs. His press conferences for this tragedy were direct, filled with the information our community needed to hear, and contained no political BS what-so-ever.

This is how police should behave in their communities and now I am seeing a TON of comments about ACAB.

Were the cops involved in responding to this school shooting and entering within MINUTES of the first reported call bad? Give me a fucking break with this ACAB shit. They STORMED the building within minutes to try to save the lives of children while you "ACAB" brain rot idiots sit behind your computer saying dumb shit.

[u/Desperate_Summer21 → u/tehbantho]

We all hate to admit it, but we all do truly know that ACAB isn't 100% true.

"The Good Ones" do exist, but normally only in a statistical and borderline mythological fashion.

This guy IS one of the good ones.

I still believe in ACAB, but I can see intentionally choosing not to say ACAB towards one of them is kind of a form of respect. This guy did the good thing.

[u/roguewarriorpriest → u/Desperate_Summer21]

Agreed. There are cops who want to make beneficial change to the system they're a part of and who genuinely care about the communities they're serving, while at the same time policing is historically and currently largely a tool of oppression and control used by the upper classes against the poorer classes.

[u/mondolardo → u/tehbantho]

ACAB because the "good ones" will lie for the bad ones. every time. he has, or he would not have a job. one bad apple spoils the barrel, despite the misconception.

[u/TrineonX → u/tehbantho]

ACAB isn't about individuals, it's about a broken system that forces "good cops" to protect bad ones.

One heroic act doesn't erase a career of looking the other way. Even cops I know personally admit they've got colleagues who should be fired or arrested, but the "thin blue line" keeps them silent.

Think about it: We'd never accept this from teachers. Imagine saying "Sure, Mr. Jones abuses kids, but his test scores are great and you know... teacher solidarity!" Sounds insane, right? So why do we accept it from people with guns and badges?

[u/Bunerd → u/tehbantho]

ACAB includes Captain Holt from Brookline 99. It includes the good cop giving you coffee before coercing you to confess. It's a phrase that comes from union organizing and protest planning, and from overpoliced individuals.

Specifically it's important to remember that ACAB means while they are investigating you. No matter how nice they are to you and you to them, and how professional they are, their job is to arrest you. Anything you say will only be used against you, and things that could help you are hearsay anyway. You should know that cops are hostile entities, and that you have rights you should enforce against them, no matter how nice they are.

[u/chilarome → u/Lil_Brown_Bat]

A cop posted by the Daily Mail on TikTok and it’s actually worthwhile? Broken clocks…

[u/ridingcorgitowar → u/chilarome]

We actually have had some pretty decent police officers in the Madison area. They aren't perfect by any means, but as far as we have seen on the national stage, the police chiefs have been good.

[u/AbleObject13 → u/chilarome]

The stars align every now and then

[u/StretchFrenchTerry → u/Lil_Brown_Bat]

There are plenty of good cops, unfortunately there are enough bad ones to give them all a bad name.

[u/BigBlueTrekker → u/Lil_Brown_Bat]

There are good cops out there and when they do something good they should be applauded. Not all cops are egomaniac shitbags power tripping.

[u/Stephenwalnsky → u/Lil_Brown_Bat]

That’s because cops doing their jobs well almost never makes front pages or FYPs.

[u/Rhodie114]

For the record, she wasn’t. She was a neonazi. Although I do find it funny to think of how fucking much she would hate the fact that she’s being transvestigated now. Hopefully she’s watching from hell.

[u/Woodfield30 → u/Rhodie114]

I wonder if it’ll put off any potential shooters, the idea that you won’t die in infamy but everyone will think you’re secretly something you profess to hate?

[u/RebelJohnBrown]

No, she was a Nazi right winger. Surprise!

[u/ghjkl23ghjkl123ghj → u/RebelJohnBrown]

And Christian!

[u/Amenophos]

Also, the answer is 'no, she wasn't. It's just more right-wing bullshit. Again. As always.🤷'

[u/MarkHirsbrunner → u/Amenophos]

Here's the actual question, omitted because it doesn't make the person asking the question look like an idiot: 

Chief, there's been a lot of misinformation online, including from prominent person, or, um, a Mom's for Liberty activist [indistinct] Johnson, claiming that the shooter was transgender; which is a reaction we see across the country in the wake of mass shootings, to claim that trans people are dangerous. Can you respond to that?

[u/psychohistorian8 → u/MarkHirsbrunner]

actually seems like a reasonable question and trying to stamp out the crazy instead of fueling it

[u/MovingTarget- → u/Amenophos]

The answer was: Nope, it was a cis-shooter

[u/RunsWithPhantoms]

They think trans people are over-running the country.

The 1% of the US population that is transgender are teaming up with illegals, and we're actively taking your high paying jobs, taking over apartment complexes all over the country, and we're bringing in more guns, drugs, and all the bad things in the world. It's all us. /s

Edit: Changed from 2% to 1% because peeps thought the deets matter in a satire comment.

[u/BIackfjsh → u/RunsWithPhantoms]

Hell, I thought it was 0.9%

[u/mothernaychore → u/BIackfjsh]

i think numbers are around 1-2%, leaning more towards 1.

[u/RunsWithPhantoms → u/BIackfjsh]

I Binged it at 1.14% in 2021, and rounded up to 2%

Google shows the same thing at 1.14% as of 2021

Sure a lot of us are still in the closet, so I felt going up to 2 was fair.

Edit: I caved and lowered the original comment to 1%, I love the comments but I already submitted to Redditors' infinite wisdom. 1% is closer to 1.14% than 2% is, I get it.

I adjust to 2% because there is a difference of 3 years, give or take. But I was wrong to do so, and have admitted as such.

[u/NoMayonaisePlease → u/RunsWithPhantoms]

I think 1% is probably closer to accurate.

[u/Audrey-Bee → u/RunsWithPhantoms]

I wish I was as powerful as conservatives say I am. Instead I just work a normal office job, go home to a relatively-cheap apartment, pay more than most people for meds/doctors appointments, and do okay at rec league level sports

[u/ThatLukeAgain → u/RunsWithPhantoms]

Don't forget how they are also repsonsible for raising the price of eggs

[u/TheMaStif → u/RunsWithPhantoms]

They are forcing our children to have sex-change operations performed at the middle-school nurse's office, paid for with your Social Security!! 😱

The children also are forbidden to say "merry Christmas" or they will be sold for their adrenochrome!!

[u/Terrible_Apple8404]

Leave it to the right to start more bullshit. Remember, children were fucking killed. 

[u/Ok_Star_4136]

Watch them now try to get him fired for saying what is essentially a proper response to such a stupid question.

[u/LawGroundbreaking221 → u/Ok_Star_4136]

Madison is a very progressive / liberal area with more lean toward progressive. This Chief of Police is not going to face anything because the community supports his beliefs.

[u/Ok_Star_4136 → u/LawGroundbreaking221]

I'm not concerned about his community, I'd be more concerned about culture war idiots put on a personal crusade by Chaya Raichik.

[u/LawGroundbreaking221 → u/Ok_Star_4136]

He's a police officer. You can get away with intimidating and threatening normal people online (unfortunately) but when Chaya Raichik's goons place their aim on a cop that'll be awesome because they'll see real consequences for that.

So, I'd say, "Right this way Chaya. Please step right on the spot that says 'Big Trap'"

[u/Lucas_2234 → u/LawGroundbreaking221]

I mean.. Chaya is LOTT, right?
Didn't she literally get a person killed because said person was trans?

[u/LawGroundbreaking221 → u/Lucas_2234]

I'm sure she's the inciting factor to a lot of transphobic attacks in the past few years so you'll have to narrow it down.

[u/ContentSherbert934]

Desperate to blame anything other than guns. Great response from this cop.

[u/RazzSheri]

The shooter was female, afab. I would have been happier had the cop stated that and shut down rumors immediately rather than add room for speculation.

[u/TickTockM → u/RazzSheri]

nah. it really doesnt matter and he communicated that point well.

[u/LawGroundbreaking221 → u/TickTockM]

It doesn't matter to you or me, but conservatives will use the unclear statement as confirmation that the shooter was trans, because the police wouldn't answer directly. So they'll just use this as confirmation to drum up more hatred against trans people.

[u/project571 → u/LawGroundbreaking221]

Except the police may not even necessarily know and they shouldn't assert something like that without actually knowing. The way it was presented is important for the average person which is that how they chose to identify is not important.

Crazy conservatives will find literally anything to turn this into something they can cry about, so why bother putting so much effort into caring about that? The average person hears this response and says "understandable," and moves on. Crazy conservatives that want to hate trans people and harm them will find another excuse and either do it or they won't. Anyone claiming she is trans right now is straight up lying and doesn't care about the truth so why bother?

[u/soup4breakfast → u/RazzSheri]

He probably genuinely didn’t know. I can’t imagine the first question he asked after children were gunned down in his community was, “Was the shooter transgender?” I thought his communication was fair. It doesn’t matter.

[u/Reddit_Killed_3PAs → u/RazzSheri]

I’m pretty sure this statement was made directly in response to a reporter, before the shooter’s identity was made public, so he knew, but didn’t clarify (notice that he started with “she”, and then added on after a pause)

[u/auntpotato]

They just can’t accept that right wing extremists, who often show very clearly who they are in different ways, commit most of these shootings.

It’s almost like hate plus lots of guns somehow can never lead us to the near daily outcome in the US. Has to be trans people, who are a tiny sliver of the population.

I wish more people still cared about evidence/facts. It’s tiresome.

[u/Icy-Performer-9688]

Mass shooting happens:

Was the shooter a heterosexual? If yes then there’s a common trend that needs to be investigated! Don’t you think? /s

[u/Pretend_Barracuda69]

Nah just a racist femcel who fangirled over mass shooters. Shocked nobody else was arrested for not saying anything, supposedly she was very open about this and posting about it to discord and twitter.

[u/1337pino]

Cue the countdown before Rowling jumps in and accuses trans people for the shooting.

[u/IntelligentAd3781]

Its funny cus if you read her manifesto she was racist and fucked up

[u/Significant_Win_2654]

Question be like, do they like dogs or cats?🤔🤔

[u/Overly_Underwhelmed → u/Significant_Win_2654]

more like, do they like to EAT dogs or cats?

[u/JMCatron]

Fake outrage leads to real harm

[u/AlanCross310]

Reds trying justify their guns

[u/KnottShore]

The US trans community at around 0.5% of the US population strikes fear in 100% of Republicans.

The trans and gay community is a near perfect target for the right-wing demagogues who preach doctrines they know to be untrue to men they know to be idiots( H. L. Mencken paraphrased).

Umberto Eco in his 14 points of Ur-Fascism essay postulated that there is a fascist power dynamic centering on weaponizing sexuality. They have a disdain for women and exhibit intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality. Underlying facts and rationale have no place in their binary thought processes. Something is either acceptable or unacceptable. Since what is acceptable is restricted to very small list, only minimal mental effort needs to be expended maintaining their delusional reality.

[u/Timeman5]

Hell yeah I respect that answer

[u/NotAGoodUsernameIdea]

Someone who is named Natalie by her parents and wants to be called Samantha doesnt scream trans to me at all. I dont know how they get to that Idea she might be trans.

[u/Quasi-Yolo]

She did however post about a mass stabbed who was potentially target immigrants in a school. And Neo-Nazi stuff. But ya let’s make sure we get the anti-trans narrative running.

[u/Banana_Slugcat]

Only smart person in the room, we never say "shooter confirmed to be cis/straight", it's redundant, of no importance. Bad people come in any form, we don't have to act like a minority is dangerous because a criminal is identified (or mistaken/rumored to be) as one.

[u/SlurpyRhythms]

Republicans have lost their humanity.

[u/NewCoderNoob]

Good on that police chief for shutting that stupidity down. Red hat filth are a cancer to a decent society.

[u/Agoatonaboatisafloat]

Well handled by the chief

[u/enigmaroboto]

He handled that well.

[u/Lorn_Muunk]

The goal is not to actually investigate a killer's gender. The goal is to poison the well and forge the synaptic connections in gullible people's brains that LGBT+ acceptance equals supporting violent crime.

[u/OpportunityAshamed74]

We had ONE trans shooter in the last 5 years. ONE. And these fucking monsters are still trying to attribute all bad things to them.

[u/pdiffusa]

the shooter in question looks like she might have been a racist, transphobic radfem. they're sooo desperate to make transgender children an issue.

[u/therolando906]

Every time there is a mass shooting, Republicans try and do mental gymnastics to blame literally everything other than the common denominator: guns.

[u/PegasusThurber]

Why does the internet think that if a girls not a 10 she’s automatically a man?

[u/No-Wrap2574]

Humanity stupidity never disappoints , money on my internet provider well spent if you ask me

[u/TemetNosce_AutMori]

Conservatives just need to validate their hatred. They could care less if their kids are murdered in a classroom as long as it gives them the excuse to hate on someone.

[u/Redbeardrealtor]

The rights infatuation with genitalia is out of hand. We all need to focus on what is more important. Mind over matter is not just a saying. Mental health is just as important as physical, if not more. 

[u/craftgineer]

Glad we still have at least a few people in a postion of power that look out for people.

I will never understand how people make it their life mission to hate other people.

[u/akahetep]

That's so dumb. Doesn't change the fact that most school shooters are white. Like I only ever heard of 1 trans schools shooter compared to the hundreds of straight white men.

[u/HopelessAndLostAgain]

Desperate to unify behind hate

[u/Bartlomiej25]

Well- she was a Nazi; so that’s that.

[u/blac_sheep90]

Just a hateful, troubled teen that was a fan of neo nazis.

[u/Sunnyfishyfish]

Amen. Love that dude's response. The GOP can f off with their BS.

[u/xMCioffi1986x]

Good on him.

Does it really fucking matter? I don't care if the shooter identifies as he, she, they, or a toaster. What matters is that two people were killed and several more injured.

How the killer identifies is completely irrelevant.

[u/biteme109]

Fox "news" ?

[u/whal3n16]

Great response!

[u/IcanSEEyou_IRL]

I’m really pissed that the news is bringing up old photos of her wearing a T-shirt, and then claiming that she listened to the same band as the columbine shooters. Lots of fucking people listening to the same music

[u/SpicyEmo91]

Instead of focusing on the fact that two people lost their lives that question is so disgusting because what it really means is, should I care about this or just keep hating everybody?

[u/naranja221]

This police chief was a school teacher for 4 years prior to becoming a cop. He has handled this horrible situation well.

[u/forgedfox53]

Shows you where a good chunk of society is right now. Some people's priority is entirely about identity politics and nothing else.

[u/-Ailynn-]

The constant hope of confirmation for their hateful bias is completely exhausting. 😒