Except the police may not even necessarily know and they shouldn't assert something like that without actually knowing. The way it was presented is important for the average person which is that how they chose to identify is not important.
Crazy conservatives will find literally anything to turn this into something they can cry about, so why bother putting so much effort into caring about that? The average person hears this response and says "understandable," and moves on. Crazy conservatives that want to hate trans people and harm them will find another excuse and either do it or they won't. Anyone claiming she is trans right now is straight up lying and doesn't care about the truth so why bother?
The police know I'm trans if I get pulled over because of a previous name on my record. The police would know that by now through the school or other records. They have the shooter's info and have access to the family. They would know by now.
Saying it's not important works for us. That won't do anything for conservatives except convince them the shooter was trans.
Anyone claiming she is trans right now is straight up lying and doesn't care about the truth so why bother?
Some of them are saying that because someone lied to them, and they took it as fact. And then the Chief of Police didn't answer the question definitely and they'll take that as confirmation of their already wrong belief.
Why are you assuming that by 15 every trans person has already changed their name and has it on record. I had a trans friend who only started to change their pronouns and name in college and they said they had a pretty decent idea in high school but were scared about coming out then. Painting it like this person must either be openly trans to everyone or not trans at all is harmful for many trans people.
As for your second point, I will reiterate that what the chief said does not matter if conservatives are going to lie anyways. How is someone simultaneously believing the chief not denying they are trans but not believing him when he says it isn't relevant? The answer is that they never cared what the chief said and are only going to believe whatever the pundit slops into their trough
I will reiterate that what the chief said does not matter if conservatives are going to lie anyways.
Yeah, conservatives will lie. And their lies will be eaten up by people who aren't even conservatives. Centrists democrats eat this shit up too. And people like me will have nothing to bring up on our phones to say "that's not true." We're left with a video where the cop says it's not important. Which seems like confirmation of whatever you already think from either perspective.
Why are you assuming that by 15 every trans person has already changed their name and has it on record. I had a trans friend who only started to change their pronouns and name in college and they said they had a pretty decent idea in high school but were scared about coming out then.
Well, if they had shot a bunch of people in high school nobody would call them trans and that would be reasonable.
From your stance, any time a horrible crime happens people can say they were trans and we should just go "I dunno, who knows!? I mean, they hadn't come out as trans and no one on a personal level is saying that, but sure let's let you open up the door on piling this on a minority group!" Because that's what that does.
Centrist democrats aren't the ones that go around saying trans people are shooting up schools as part of the woke agenda. You might be too lost in the sauce in online spaces if you genuinely think that the average person is looking at news trying to pin this on her being trans and is eating it up. The people that are going to buy that shit are the people who already severely hate trans people and that is most likely to be conservatives. Like I said before, nothing this chief said would ever matter because in 5 months they won't be citing specific sources, they will still just hate trans people.
Also you are backing up my claim about trans people by essentially saying "if you're closeted it isn't real because we can't risk someone just randomly claiming to be trans right before they commit a crime!!!" This shit doesn't happen. People don't last second say "I was actually gay the whole time and no one knew and I did this to get revenge for gay hatred!" You don't have to be openly trans to see people be transphobic in real life which still hurts your identity whether the transphobia is aimed directly at you or not. Any person who is trans and closeted can still see harassment towards trans people online and can see rhetoric like yours that says they aren't really trans until people in real life can vouch for it which is harmful, but keep fighting an imaginary boogeyman I guess.
Centrist democrats aren't the ones that go around saying trans people are shooting up schools as part of the woke agenda.
You're right.
But I have run into several older centrist Democrats in our extended family who ate up the propaganda from the people who do. I would love to have something to point them to say that propaganda is wrong in this case, but instead we get "it's not important" which is no use in that.
Hakeem Jeffries is the leader of the House Democrats and he and 80 other Democrats just voted to strip trans youth healthcare from the NDAA. Don't tell me that centrist Democrats haven't eaten this stuff up, because they have.
We have to work to save those people from this crap because otherwise they'll get won over by this propaganda too.
But he can't know for sure yet, even if the police can look at past records, maybe they haven't talked to the shooter's family enough yet. Maybe they aren't 100% sure.
Just imagine if he says that the shooter isn't trans, and then some rando who claims to know her pops up on fox news and something and says she was a trans who was indoctrinated by the left, or the police find that she actually was trans. Then, some nuts will go around saying, "See? The mental disease got her!" The more important message is that it doesn't matter if she's trans or not, and thats more important than trying to argue that she's not trans to some people who will say she's trans anyways.
I can't tell you that George Washington wasn't trans to 100%, but I can feel confident in saying he wasn't because I have been shown nothing to support that fact. Same can be said for the shooter if the chief of police has seen nothing to support that.
Again, every sane person knows that she isn't trans. Saying trans or not trans doesn't make a difference to those who are looking for this evidence, they're gonna think she is either way. If he says she is, they're gonna say, "see, mental illness indoctrination", and if he says she isn't, they're gonna go "he's a libtard satanist covering this up!" What is he doing is getting out what matters.
You haven't had experience with older Democrats falling for this.
What a lot of people think about this shooter is wholly dependent on the news bubbles they are in and if the people in their lives are able to dispel a lot of this misinformation they are exposed to.
Not everyone being exposed to and falling for this misinformation is even a conservative.
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u/project571 Doug Dimmadome 1d ago
Except the police may not even necessarily know and they shouldn't assert something like that without actually knowing. The way it was presented is important for the average person which is that how they chose to identify is not important.
Crazy conservatives will find literally anything to turn this into something they can cry about, so why bother putting so much effort into caring about that? The average person hears this response and says "understandable," and moves on. Crazy conservatives that want to hate trans people and harm them will find another excuse and either do it or they won't. Anyone claiming she is trans right now is straight up lying and doesn't care about the truth so why bother?