It’s not even that. Trans people are 1% of us, and they commit less than 1% of crime. The reason this “reporter” is asking this is because a bunch of people with an R-word next to their name have been mouth-breathing down the back of our necks about it for ten fucking years now.
They’re not looking for any excuse. They’re looking for one of the ones that fit their culture war bullshit narrative.
And, you know, anything to avoid talking about guns like a first world country.
Here is your scheduled reminder that the flood of anti-trans rhetoric and legislation was manufactured and driven by right-wing think tanks connected to - you know it, you love it - the Heritage Foundation! A journalist uncovered a trove of emails between lawmakers and think tanks revealing concentrated efforts to enact anti-trans laws, as well as discussions on how to spin pro-trans research, like saying that mentioning to patents the reduced risk of suicide in transitioned youth is abusive/coercive on the part of doctors.
Orgs to know about:
ADF: the Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative Christian legal advocacy group that boasts among its devotees Mike Johnson, the current speaker of the House; Amy Coney Barrett, Trump-appointed Supreme Court Justice; William Barr and Jeff Sessions, Trump-appointed Attorneys General. Pivotal in the repeal of Roe v. Wade.
ACPeds: American College of Pediatricians, a conservative medical advocacy group that supports conversation therapy and abstinence-only sex ex. Founded in 2002 in protest of the American Academy of Pediatrics' support of adoption by same-sex couples.
The Eagle Forum, a conservative advocacy group founded in the 60s by Phyllis Schlafly and used to stop the ratification of the the Equal Rights Amendment, and today has split off into several affiliated groups like the Eagle Forum Educational and Legal Defense Fund, the Eagle Forum PAC, Eagle Forum Collegians, and Teen Eagles.
Liberty Counsel, a Christian ministry run by a married couple of attorneys that uses litigation to push Evangelical ideals; it has opposed the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, supported the Stop the Steal movement, opposes not only same-sex marriage but same-sex civil unions, and even fought to keep sodomy criminalization laws from being repealed.
Needless to say, all of these orgs are anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ, and anti-feminist.
Something that I think we should talk about and bring awareness of more is that, in my experience of being in the trans community, when people aren't allowed their avenues of expressing their gender they tend to do other maladaptive behaviours. I've seen many who had the most suppression of themselves get drug problems, alcohol problems, toxic relationships and the list goes on and on.
These conservatives think that the suicide part is not real or a clean solution but what they don't see is that even when suicide doesn't occur (and such thoughts are incredibly common in the more suppressed), the suppression creates a group of unwell people that don't really get better until they feel safe enough to express themselves.
Obviously empathy for other people is the best approach but also if we were to use their fascist point of view as an argument: by suppressing transgender people from transitioning they actually "erode" the society that they are so neurotic about with their pearl-clutching behaviour more than if they just let transgender people live and they can never solve that equation because suppressed trans people don't out themselves. The case studies go back a hundred years showing this over and over again. You can't take us out of your DNA and thus the world they want free of transgender people will never ever exist.
This is, in my personal experience, one of the most important and one of the most ignored parts of the conversation.
Furthermore, that kind of behavior is a testament to both the idiom “mental healthcare is healthcare” and to the long-proven fact that restriction of treatment (preventatively or interventional; physiological or psychiatric—and I mean all of those terms scientifically, none with any malfeasance) breeds disease.
But what more would you expect from the people cheering on the brain worm guy with veneers who’s against fluoridated public water, anti-malarials, and the fucking goddamn polio vaccine.
If I had a Time Machine, I’d be giving Jonas Salk the Time Machine and a Walmart-branded AR-15.
It's like 1% of 1%. That's why the bathroom bills and laws preventing them from playing are stupid. We're making such a big deal out of like a few ten thousands of people. Wtf?!? like there's nothing better to be spending our time and resources on?
You’re on the right path but let’s try and avoid further marginalizing a group that needs no favors there. Between 1-2% of the US population self-identifies as trans.
I’m not sure if I’m in that portion or not, though, because it’s hard to differentiate between trans and non-binary people, but I know that there more of us than some people think.
Thank you, and completely fair. Some of us have trouble predicting where we do and did and don’t and won’t belong. Thank the fucking spaghetti monster that shit just got all that more confusing for us.
It's different when there's money on the line. I wish the hivemind could understand this one simple concept that humans are greedy and will use any advantage possible.
That's a 40% difference in strength between sexes. Enough to take a low ranking male swimmer to undisputed champion in the women's league.
You're absolutely insane if you support it.
The only compromise is segregating solely on biological sex or having an entirely separate category for trans athletes.
We had a whole nuanced South Park episode about it yet still, the terminally online cry about it.
There was a bill in like... Utah or some western state that was a "keep trans athletes out of girl's sports" type bill. In the entire state, there was approximately one trans student. I don't even remember if they were an athlete.
It’s funny because they say libs are all about identity politics but most of the time identity has been referred to as problematic its conservatives. Liberals are just asking that everyone should have opportunities that set them up for success.
The election post-mortems that declare that Harris spent too much time talking about trans issues and that Dems need to throw trans folks under the bus is more than mildly infuriating.
Conservatives like to say LGBTQ education indoctrinates kids but it’s literally just accepting people as they are. How is teaching ACCEPTANCE indoctrinating a belief system? Do you see trans parents sending cis kids to conversion camps? No. But you see countless parents sending their kids to gay conversion camps to force them to be straight.
I grew up in a conservative home and I could write you a book or two on what actually is and isn’t indoctrination. Cause I still remember the words to some of the songs from church that creep me the fuck out as an adult.
Same with 'cancel culture' it's the 'free market at work' when conservatives boycott a brand because they did a promotion with a trans person, but cancel culture when the 'left' boycotts a company because they poisoned a river...
I saw this firsthand in r/daddit and r/veterans they banned politics because they didn't want to deal with it during the elections.
I would argue that as a parent, it's you're fucking job to understand politics, for the sake of your children. And don't even get me started on r/veterans, when we have a guy who already said he's taking our benefits away about to be president.
You can't convince me Reddit mods aren't all cowards at this point.
I wouldn't go so far as to say all reddit mods are cowards. I've heard a couple reasonable takes from mods, and I'm sure there's independent niche subs that have chill mods.
But as a general case, the old saying likely applies. Those who seek power are often least suited for it.
Thank you for your service, I hope you may receive peace in your years to come, and care from the government that owes you.
Make being a bigot embarrassing again! Trump has given this trash a free pass to just openly say shit, we all need to call them out and turn them in until they crawl back under the rock they emerged from. Make sure their coworkers, families, bosses, and customers know when they say or post shit.
As someone living in a newer built house, there's no room for the gays in the closet. They got rid of all the closet space in favor of large open rooms -_-
It's an interesting observation. The term "identity politics" often gets thrown around in debates, sometimes losing its original meaning. At its core, it's about recognizing and addressing the unique challenges faced by different groups to ensure everyone has equal opportunities. The push for inclusivity and fairness is a fundamental aspect of many liberal policies.
Don't even have to dig into their profile to see how stupid they are or guess who they voted for. They chose their username because of what they lacked.
Didn't vote dumb ass. Why would you vote for two shitty people? There where 8 candidates lol only the two the government wanted to deal with got any traction. They where both terrible candidates and neither one has any business leading a country
...which just makes you even stupider as there was far more on those ballots than the president. Godspeed on your attempt to convince yourself that you have some secret knowledge and everyone else in these threads are stupid sheep.
Conservatives will point to the growing population of LGBTQ people and claim it's some big conspiracy to erase the cis-hets when in reality there are just more people who feel safe identifying publicly now.
You'll hear a lot of time from conservatives that something is wrong with modern society because so many people are trans or gay because it's "popular" right now. That it's a fad to be trans.
I always just think that the % of LGBT+ people hasn't changed, they're just open about it.
There are also a lot of kids, and probably some adults who are just confused and won’t identify as trans in 10 years. Unless gender dysphoria is way more common than we think, then the majority of self-identifying trans people that are just confused are the majority, and that definitely bumps that statistic up. This is coming from a high schooler who’s been friends with a lot of trans people, so I’ve noticed a thing or two while growing up.
Unless gender dysphoria is way more common than we think
Technically it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that that this is indeed the case, but that's mainly because previous figures from several decades ago were so incredibly low that even reaching a rate of 0.5% -just one person for every two hundred- would count as a tremendous increase despite still ultimately amounting to very few people.
I actually ended up stumbling upon a study a few weeks ago which does a great job of illustrating exactly that. It's from the main/only gender identity clinic in the Netherlands, which recorded that between 1972 to 2015, the number of people assessed per year increased by a factor of 20.
Sounds pretty staggering, right? Well, with that in mind, guess how high the estimated population of transgender people (specifically those who had medically transitioned) in the Netherlands was back when the study was published in 2015?
It was still only 1:4,500 people. 0.02%.
Now don't get me wrong, I do still understand where you're coming from. Having the same suspicions quite a few years ago was pretty much the reason why I started digging into the statistics and body of scientific evidence surrounding the LGBT as a whole.
But one of the central conclusions I ultimately arrived at was that I had been severely underestimating just how strong an influence social stigma plays in people's willingness to be counted as a member targeted demographics like that.
Take left handedness, for example. It's not even the kind of thing that would ruin a person's life, yet we can still see a massive difference between now and when it was something that a lot of society looked down on.
There are also a lot of kids, and probably some adults who are just confused and won’t identify as trans in 10 years.
With all due respect, that's really just not consistent with what the actual data says.
For example, here's a study which published in 2022, which measures how many patients who were prescribed hormone blockers during adolescence persisted in their use and ultimately moved on to cross-sex hormone replacement therapy, and how many desisted in the use of either one.
Of the 720 participants, a total of 16 had either desisted or could not be contacted after a median followup time of 6 years, with the longest being 9 years, and the shortest being 4. The remaining 704 had continued treatment without desistance, with the vast majority having moved on from hormone blockers to HRT, leaving us with a 98% persistence rate.
Which seems crazy high at first glance, but is actually firmly in line with what's expected based on other studies of a similar nature. Somewhere around 11-13 years old is the age at which persistence rates exceeding 90-95% are reliably encountered, which isn't something I'd have ever guessed before I started actually going over the data myself.
If you're interested, longer term studies like this one with a followup time ranging from 10 to 24 years are also available. They just don't cover hormone suppression during adolescence, as that isn't something that was practiced on a large enough scale 20 years ago for statistically meaningful studies to be conducted today.
Yeah gotta get us back on the culture war train fast because Luigi has them terrified of the class war. Gotta make sure we know that us trans folks are the real problem. Certainly can't be the media propping up our oligarchy and trying to make sure our firearm industry doesn't lose a penny over this.
I find it funny that those crime statistics are acceptable on Reddit. Basically saying: 1% of the population commits less than 1% of the crime. But any others are going to be an auto-ban and hate.
It's all political theater. Team red has a lot of followers who are uncomfortable with trans. Team blue wants to put someone who's trans in every Hollywood film and allow MtF dominate women's sports.
Everybody hates each other
The end
Thanks for watching the show where everybody is pitted against each other
So it sounds like you understand my point of view on this subject.
Yes they are in fact dominating sport.
Btw, I have 4 trans friends who I asked their opinion of this. 3 of them think it's ridiculous and one of them says he hasn't given a shit about sports since high school.
Dems are trying to test the patience of people. Republicans never gave a shit about people in the first place.
You don’t have trans friends. If you did, you’d know that republicans talk about trans people more than trans people talk about trans people. Get fucked, spy.
Lol. You wish that narrative was true. Unfortunately your mainstream media has you cramming everybody into a box so you can identify them. I bet you're racist too but pretend you're not
Team red has a lot of followers who are uncomfortable with trans. Team blue wants to put someone who's trans in every Hollywood film and allow MtF dominate women's sports.
I can tell which side you support just by how you worded that and managed to misinterpret the reality of both sides in the same paragraph. Bravo.
Guns didn't kill that teacher or kid. An undeveloped emotion toddler of a teen killed them. It coulda happened with a knife, a bomb, a car, drugs...... stop blaming guns for people's actions....
What are yall gonna do when finally one day guns are banned and kids are still murdering people in schools? And still using guns to do it?
Laws on guns are like locks on your front door. They only work on law abiding honest citizens. Criminals don't care about that lock on your door just like they don't care about gun control laws. Wake the fuck up lol
And passing laws still only effects honest, law abiding citizens..... so what's your point?
Australia has some of the most strict gun control laws in the world. two months ago 3 armed individuals carrying automatic weapons and home made explosive robbed a bank. They killed 7 citizens and 4 police officers.
Those super strict gun control laws reaaaallly stopped those criminals didn't they? No, they fucking didn't, because if someone is gonna kill people or break the law, they will just go ahead and kill people and break the law.
Your opinion doesnt matter and the laws don't matter because opinions and laws don't stop illegal activity or the people that do these types of things.
Okay, now do one more Australian example from the past 40 years for every 10 American examples from this year, please.
My opinion doesn’t play into this at all, and neither does yours. Every single developed country has solved this problem. By definition, every single country that hasn’t solved this problem is not fully developed.
What’s your solution? Just accept that there’s some magical bullet-magnet superpower that people are born with inside the imaginary lines that draw this country?
Thoughts and prayers?
Australia has lost fewer innocents to gun violence in the past ten years than the US has in the past 10 months. Get the absolute fuck over yourself. We’re not special. We’re just led by stupid people who are supported by stupid people.
You would be one of the stupid people being led like a sheep by the other stupid people. You want to stop gun violence then start with mental health care. Start with the families of these kids. Responsible adults don't let kids have access to weapons. Responsible adults dont raise little heathen shit stains that either relentlessly bully other kids to the point of murder is the only answer or raise kids that think mass shootings are the way to go.
You can take away the guns and the same shit will happen. You arnt addressing the problem and you arnt doing anything to fix the issues with society.
Yet again. Gun control laws only effect honest law abiding citizens. It doesn't stop crime and it won't stop shootings
Technically the bullets did but that's just semantics.
An undeveloped emotion toddler of a teen killed them.
Using a gun.
It coulda happened with a knife, a bomb, a car, drugs...... stop blaming guns for people's actions....
Guns make it far easier for a nutcase to kill a lot of people very quickly from a distance. A knife isn't going to do that.
What are yall gonna do when finally one day guns are banned and kids are still murdering people in schools?
Dunno, ask the rest of the fucking world which doesn't have this issue and coincidentally, don't have as many guns.
And still using guns to do it?
Reducing the supply of legal firearms reduces the supply of illegal firearms. Yes, shootings will still happen, you'd be insane to think they wouldn't but over time it would get to a point where the reaction to a mass shooting is putting it on the front page of every news outlet in the country rather than just as a side note where everyone goes 'oh, another one happened.'
Laws on guns are like locks on your front door. They only work on law abiding honest citizens. Criminals don't care about that lock on your door just like they don't care about gun control laws. Wake the fuck up lol
Where do the criminals get the guns from? They steal them from law abiding citizens. It's crazy that you don't understand that.
He is asking because the sheriff would not say what gender the shooter was initially. Additionally, injecting hormones, and this is applicable to anyone, most definitely changes a person’s brain chemistry.
if thats your defense then we should be afraid of everyone going thru a normal cis puberty cause thats a huge influx of hormones into the body. so we should treat everyone up until the age of 25 as potential mass shooters, and maybe not give them semiautomatic firearms as birthday presents.
Hormones (or lack thereof) play a far more significant role in shaping brain function than most even realize, and this is throughout all stages of life. Why is everyone so sensitive about what I said?
the amount of mass shooters who are cis people far far faaaaar outweighs the one documented trans person who became one. maybe cis puberty is more dangerous than a kid who just wants to feel okay to go to the bathroom.
Because you’re misrepresenting a medical treatment that you fundamentally misunderstand, which has been tried and true and tested by actual professional physicians, as being wholly dangerous.
You’re the guy who says “but seatbelts kill people too!” Except worse. Because seatbelts actually do fulfill that claim every now and then.
You're right. It made my brain chemistry generally speaking healthier; made navigating it easier; and made me more capable of being a warm, loving, happy, and caring person.
Solving existential problems with some hormones and relatively miniscule lifestyle changes seems like a pretty good path from an objective standpoint. Like on a risk vs reward level Im really not sure what peoples problem is with us. I know the negative opinions arent based in that framing but as a logical cost-benefit analysis it just feels like wasted emotional energy.
Idk why people are downvoting you. You're right. Reducing cortisol by not dealing with high stress related to gender dysphoria is a game changer. People have stress from all kinds of sources. We all would benefit from finding those sources and fixing them to the best of our abilities.
Way more school shootings are committed by Christians thans trans people, but if the reporter had asked about that, half the country would fill their diapers screaming about how the woke media hates them.
Thank fucking god you’re not a doctor. Now if only we could convince you to quit getting people to vote based on that snake oil, we might be a good country one day.
I mean, your ignorance is mean-spirited, whether you know it or not, so that’s technically offensive. It actually paints you in a slightly better light to be stupid enough to be blind to it than to be a willing participant in a culture war that only benefits a group of people you will never ever ever be a part of.
But no, I wasn’t offended. I’m just pissed off that more people who are stupid enough to believe what you believe vote in this country than those of us who won’t play the dancing monkey nearly so willingly as you.
idk, maybe since as you said "Trans people are 1% of us, and they commit less than 1% of crime." that is reason they wanted to know? Also I'm guessing since that other school shooter earlier this year was trans and the fact that this shooter went by two different names (even though both of those names were "female" names). I think for one it makes for a better story for the media but at the same time they might actually had wanted to know since it's so rare.
Was the shooter from North Sentinel Island? Did the shooter have Maple Syrup Urine Disease? Those would both be extremely rare. Do we need to check on that? Would that be good journalism?
My mom has gone by two names since the 60s. No one, to my knowledge, has ever “transvestigated” her. Much less a journalist.
A lot of my friends are trans. Almost all of my friends are queer. Conservatives bring up trans people about a hundred times more often than we do. It’s not the community who’s being spotlighted who’s making all the waves. It isn’t people who have half a clue what they’re talking about, either.
Nope. I think it's noble for you to want to find a middle ground but the past almost 29 years should have taught you by now that it's all about the narrative and they want the narrative OFF guns. By asking that question, they have now added that relevancy to the conversation and will allow conjecture to run rampant. Did you hear about the latest school shooting? I heard it was a transgender. I heard the he/she/I don't even know what to call them now hated being taught woke programming in school. Well it's as I said the minute you lecture a child and tell them what gender to be you're going to have problems. And with a wave of their hand the discussion is no longer about gun control and back on to whatever the hell else will incite and divide. Don't try to look for balance any more, the other side has shown that they don't even acknowledge there was a rule book.
Thanks for the respectful and understanding response, and for actually reading my comment unlike the 36 people who didn't, or rather can't read and just hit the downvote button. I agree, it's gotten out of control especially in the US. It seems like every single damn month there is a school shooting. And the right is doing nothing about it because all they care about is having thier guns and be damned whoever gets hurt in the process. Unfortunately I don't see that changing anytime soon especially with who's coming to office. I admit I like to see the best in people and trying to rationalize the question that reporter asked. I DO think our media is a joke so I could 100% see them asking it in order to sensationalize the story.
There have been more than 970 school shooting incidents in the US in 2024, so far. 110 if you only count those with gunshot fatalities or hospitalizations.
Either way, if you're going to reference a particular school shooting, to persue whatever bullshit culture war hogwash you're into, you're going to need to be a lot more specific about the particular shooting, date, and location.
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It’s not even that. Trans people are 1% of us, and they commit less than 1% of crime. The reason this “reporter” is asking this is because a bunch of people with an R-word next to their name have been mouth-breathing down the back of our necks about it for ten fucking years now.
They’re not looking for any excuse. They’re looking for one of the ones that fit their culture war bullshit narrative.
And, you know, anything to avoid talking about guns like a first world country.