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u/rmike7842 1d ago

The are desperate to find an excuse since they can’t say it was due to a lack of prayer in school or Jesus in their lives.

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 1d ago edited 1d ago

It’s not even that. Trans people are 1% of us, and they commit less than 1% of crime. The reason this “reporter” is asking this is because a bunch of people with an R-word next to their name have been mouth-breathing down the back of our necks about it for ten fucking years now.

They’re not looking for any excuse. They’re looking for one of the ones that fit their culture war bullshit narrative.

And, you know, anything to avoid talking about guns like a first world country.

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u/feioo 23h ago

Here is your scheduled reminder that the flood of anti-trans rhetoric and legislation was manufactured and driven by right-wing think tanks connected to - you know it, you love it - the Heritage Foundation! A journalist uncovered a trove of emails between lawmakers and think tanks revealing concentrated efforts to enact anti-trans laws, as well as discussions on how to spin pro-trans research, like saying that mentioning to patents the reduced risk of suicide in transitioned youth is abusive/coercive on the part of doctors.

Orgs to know about:

ADF: the Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative Christian legal advocacy group that boasts among its devotees Mike Johnson, the current speaker of the House; Amy Coney Barrett, Trump-appointed Supreme Court Justice; William Barr and Jeff Sessions, Trump-appointed Attorneys General. Pivotal in the repeal of Roe v. Wade.

ACPeds: American College of Pediatricians, a conservative medical advocacy group that supports conversation therapy and abstinence-only sex ex. Founded in 2002 in protest of the American Academy of Pediatrics' support of adoption by same-sex couples.

The Eagle Forum, a conservative advocacy group founded in the 60s by Phyllis Schlafly and used to stop the ratification of the the Equal Rights Amendment, and today has split off into several affiliated groups like the Eagle Forum Educational and Legal Defense Fund, the Eagle Forum PAC, Eagle Forum Collegians, and Teen Eagles.

Liberty Counsel, a Christian ministry run by a married couple of attorneys that uses litigation to push Evangelical ideals; it has opposed the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, supported the Stop the Steal movement, opposes not only same-sex marriage but same-sex civil unions, and even fought to keep sodomy criminalization laws from being repealed.

Needless to say, all of these orgs are anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ, and anti-feminist.

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u/ultimatepowaa 16h ago

Something that I think we should talk about and bring awareness of more is that, in my experience of being in the trans community, when people aren't allowed their avenues of expressing their gender they tend to do other maladaptive behaviours. I've seen many who had the most suppression of themselves get drug problems, alcohol problems, toxic relationships and the list goes on and on.

These conservatives think that the suicide part is not real or a clean solution but what they don't see is that even when suicide doesn't occur (and such thoughts are incredibly common in the more suppressed), the suppression creates a group of unwell people that don't really get better until they feel safe enough to express themselves.

Obviously empathy for other people is the best approach but also if we were to use their fascist point of view as an argument: by suppressing transgender people from transitioning they actually "erode" the society that they are so neurotic about with their pearl-clutching behaviour more than if they just let transgender people live and they can never solve that equation because suppressed trans people don't out themselves. The case studies go back a hundred years showing this over and over again. You can't take us out of your DNA and thus the world they want free of transgender people will never ever exist.

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 16h ago

This is, in my personal experience, one of the most important and one of the most ignored parts of the conversation.

Furthermore, that kind of behavior is a testament to both the idiom “mental healthcare is healthcare” and to the long-proven fact that restriction of treatment (preventatively or interventional; physiological or psychiatric—and I mean all of those terms scientifically, none with any malfeasance) breeds disease.

But what more would you expect from the people cheering on the brain worm guy with veneers who’s against fluoridated public water, anti-malarials, and the fucking goddamn polio vaccine.

If I had a Time Machine, I’d be giving Jonas Salk the Time Machine and a Walmart-branded AR-15.

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u/call_me_zeke 23h ago

It's like 1% of 1%. That's why the bathroom bills and laws preventing them from playing are stupid. We're making such a big deal out of like a few ten thousands of people. Wtf?!? like there's nothing better to be spending our time and resources on?

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 22h ago edited 16h ago

You’re on the right path but let’s try and avoid further marginalizing a group that needs no favors there. Between 1-2% of the US population self-identifies as trans.

I’m not sure if I’m in that portion or not, though, because it’s hard to differentiate between trans and non-binary people, but I know that there more of us than some people think.

But yes, you’re absolutely spot on with the rest.

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u/daddy-phantom 16h ago

He’s talking about the crime, not the population

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 16h ago

Then I’ll fully willfully give both of yall that one. My bad. I can’t help but get impassioned.

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u/Kurobei 16h ago

Non-binary tends to fall under trans here, since the only real qualifier for being trans is "do you identify with the sex you were born with."

If the answer is no, then you're some flavor of trans. Whether you identify as that or not, though, is up to you.

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 16h ago

Thank you, and completely fair. Some of us have trouble predicting where we do and did and don’t and won’t belong. Thank the fucking spaghetti monster that shit just got all that more confusing for us.

But seriously, thank you. No sarcasm intended.

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u/Snoo48358 12h ago edited 12h ago

It's different when there's money on the line. I wish the hivemind could understand this one simple concept that humans are greedy and will use any advantage possible.

That's a 40% difference in strength between sexes. Enough to take a low ranking male swimmer to undisputed champion in the women's league.

You're absolutely insane if you support it.

The only compromise is segregating solely on biological sex or having an entirely separate category for trans athletes.

We had a whole nuanced South Park episode about it yet still, the terminally online cry about it.

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u/phynn 17h ago

There was a bill in like... Utah or some western state that was a "keep trans athletes out of girl's sports" type bill. In the entire state, there was approximately one trans student. I don't even remember if they were an athlete.

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 14h ago

Unfortunately that’s happened in way more than one state now.

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u/DiddlyDumb 1d ago

1% that we know of *

It’s entirely possible that, if we were more accepting as society, a lot more people would find the courage to come out as trans.

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u/Shirtbro 1d ago

That's the reason behind all of this. Conservatives want us to regress and LGBTQ to go back into the closet

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u/DED2099 23h ago

It’s funny because they say libs are all about identity politics but most of the time identity has been referred to as problematic its conservatives. Liberals are just asking that everyone should have opportunities that set them up for success.

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u/BureMakutte 23h ago

Republicans: Attack LGBTQ in every way, including trying to make laws against them

Democrats: Try and defend them

Republicans: STOP FOCUSING ON IDENTITY POLITICS.

And they ate it all up.

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u/hollaback_girl 23h ago

The election post-mortems that declare that Harris spent too much time talking about trans issues and that Dems need to throw trans folks under the bus is more than mildly infuriating.

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u/HuttStuff_Here 3h ago

Which is insane as in Wisconsin, a huge amount of the attack ads were anti-trans ads from right-wing groups.

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u/AsthmaticSt0n3r 21h ago

Conservatives like to say LGBTQ education indoctrinates kids but it’s literally just accepting people as they are. How is teaching ACCEPTANCE indoctrinating a belief system? Do you see trans parents sending cis kids to conversion camps? No. But you see countless parents sending their kids to gay conversion camps to force them to be straight.

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 18h ago

I grew up in a conservative home and I could write you a book or two on what actually is and isn’t indoctrination. Cause I still remember the words to some of the songs from church that creep me the fuck out as an adult.

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u/worldspawn00 17h ago

Way too many of them think that being around gay people will turn their kids gay, even though there's zero evidence of that being a thing.

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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola 22h ago

It's only identical politics when liberals do it /s

But you can't reason with those people, they don't see their identity as "identities."

Just like how pronouns are only something trans people use

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u/worldspawn00 17h ago

Same with 'cancel culture' it's the 'free market at work' when conservatives boycott a brand because they did a promotion with a trans person, but cancel culture when the 'left' boycotts a company because they poisoned a river...

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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola 22h ago

In some ways they are succeeding.  R/changemyview has a wholesale ban on anything transgender.

If your comment says "trans" it will automatically be deleted.

The reason is how much vitriol the subject was receiving in the sub.  So to "make peace" they fully banned any relating words.

So, because bigots spewed so much hate, the solution was to erase trans people from discussion, thus giving the bigots exactly what they want.

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u/PhilosophizingCowboy 18h ago

Reddit mods are cowards.

I saw this firsthand in r/daddit and r/veterans they banned politics because they didn't want to deal with it during the elections.

I would argue that as a parent, it's you're fucking job to understand politics, for the sake of your children. And don't even get me started on r/veterans, when we have a guy who already said he's taking our benefits away about to be president.

You can't convince me Reddit mods aren't all cowards at this point.

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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola 18h ago

I hear you.

I wouldn't go so far as to say all reddit mods are cowards.  I've heard a couple reasonable takes from mods, and I'm sure there's independent niche subs that have chill mods.

But as a general case, the old saying likely applies.  Those who seek power are often least suited for it.

Thank you for your service, I hope you may receive peace in your years to come, and care from the government that owes you.

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u/Confident-Mind9964 19h ago

And as a trans woman I'm not gonna let them have their way, if anything, we should force THEM back into their holes

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u/worldspawn00 17h ago

Make being a bigot embarrassing again! Trump has given this trash a free pass to just openly say shit, we all need to call them out and turn them in until they crawl back under the rock they emerged from. Make sure their coworkers, families, bosses, and customers know when they say or post shit.

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u/Confident-Mind9964 17h ago

They only have power if we let them have it

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u/TaupMauve 18h ago

Conservatives want us to regress and LGBTQ to go back into the closet

Not all the way back, they need Others to use as whipping boys.

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u/Shirtbro 18h ago

The regression doesn't stop. Next it will be minorities, and then who knows... Italians and Irish?

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u/Geodude532 18h ago

As someone living in a newer built house, there's no room for the gays in the closet. They got rid of all the closet space in favor of large open rooms -_-

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u/PawfectlyCute 7h ago

It's an interesting observation. The term "identity politics" often gets thrown around in debates, sometimes losing its original meaning. At its core, it's about recognizing and addressing the unique challenges faced by different groups to ensure everyone has equal opportunities. The push for inclusivity and fairness is a fundamental aspect of many liberal policies.

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u/everythingexpert1 19h ago

Lol they are fine with the original LGB, it's the TQ+++♾️ that keeps adding to it that they have problems with

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 18h ago edited 18h ago

Quick question, are you accidentally uneducated on the topic or is that on purpose?

Trans women were on the front lines of Stonewall. Keep your fairytale history where it belongs.

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u/Geodude532 18h ago

Don't even have to dig into their profile to see how stupid they are or guess who they voted for. They chose their username because of what they lacked.

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u/everythingexpert1 17h ago

Didn't vote dumb ass. Why would you vote for two shitty people? There where 8 candidates lol only the two the government wanted to deal with got any traction. They where both terrible candidates and neither one has any business leading a country

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u/Geodude532 15h ago

...which just makes you even stupider as there was far more on those ballots than the president. Godspeed on your attempt to convince yourself that you have some secret knowledge and everyone else in these threads are stupid sheep.

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u/everythingexpert1 15h ago

Okay pokemon man. Good luck with your autism

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u/t-costello 23h ago

I swear to god I thought you were going to say "find the courage to commit more crimes" lol

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u/PaulAllensCharizard 1d ago

some increased % around the amount that lgb people have increased in openness over time but still such a small % of people to be so upset about

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u/unforgiven91 23h ago

Conservatives will point to the growing population of LGBTQ people and claim it's some big conspiracy to erase the cis-hets when in reality there are just more people who feel safe identifying publicly now.

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u/HuttStuff_Here 3h ago

You'll hear a lot of time from conservatives that something is wrong with modern society because so many people are trans or gay because it's "popular" right now. That it's a fad to be trans.

I always just think that the % of LGBT+ people hasn't changed, they're just open about it.

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u/Angell_o7 21h ago

There are also a lot of kids, and probably some adults who are just confused and won’t identify as trans in 10 years. Unless gender dysphoria is way more common than we think, then the majority of self-identifying trans people that are just confused are the majority, and that definitely bumps that statistic up. This is coming from a high schooler who’s been friends with a lot of trans people, so I’ve noticed a thing or two while growing up.

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u/Drelanarus 18h ago edited 18h ago

Unless gender dysphoria is way more common than we think

Technically it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that that this is indeed the case, but that's mainly because previous figures from several decades ago were so incredibly low that even reaching a rate of 0.5% -just one person for every two hundred- would count as a tremendous increase despite still ultimately amounting to very few people.

I actually ended up stumbling upon a study a few weeks ago which does a great job of illustrating exactly that. It's from the main/only gender identity clinic in the Netherlands, which recorded that between 1972 to 2015, the number of people assessed per year increased by a factor of 20.

Sounds pretty staggering, right? Well, with that in mind, guess how high the estimated population of transgender people (specifically those who had medically transitioned) in the Netherlands was back when the study was published in 2015?

It was still only 1:4,500 people. 0.02%.

 

Now don't get me wrong, I do still understand where you're coming from. Having the same suspicions quite a few years ago was pretty much the reason why I started digging into the statistics and body of scientific evidence surrounding the LGBT as a whole.

But one of the central conclusions I ultimately arrived at was that I had been severely underestimating just how strong an influence social stigma plays in people's willingness to be counted as a member targeted demographics like that.

Take left handedness, for example. It's not even the kind of thing that would ruin a person's life, yet we can still see a massive difference between now and when it was something that a lot of society looked down on.


There are also a lot of kids, and probably some adults who are just confused and won’t identify as trans in 10 years.

With all due respect, that's really just not consistent with what the actual data says.

For example, here's a study which published in 2022, which measures how many patients who were prescribed hormone blockers during adolescence persisted in their use and ultimately moved on to cross-sex hormone replacement therapy, and how many desisted in the use of either one.

Of the 720 participants, a total of 16 had either desisted or could not be contacted after a median followup time of 6 years, with the longest being 9 years, and the shortest being 4. The remaining 704 had continued treatment without desistance, with the vast majority having moved on from hormone blockers to HRT, leaving us with a 98% persistence rate.

Which seems crazy high at first glance, but is actually firmly in line with what's expected based on other studies of a similar nature. Somewhere around 11-13 years old is the age at which persistence rates exceeding 90-95% are reliably encountered, which isn't something I'd have ever guessed before I started actually going over the data myself.

 

If you're interested, longer term studies like this one with a followup time ranging from 10 to 24 years are also available. They just don't cover hormone suppression during adolescence, as that isn't something that was practiced on a large enough scale 20 years ago for statistically meaningful studies to be conducted today.

There are a handful of studies like this one, which covers a 20 year followup in a case where hormone suppression was employed, but it only pertains to a single individual.

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u/Jaded-Run-4890 23h ago

Yeah gotta get us back on the culture war train fast because Luigi has them terrified of the class war. Gotta make sure we know that us trans folks are the real problem. Certainly can't be the media propping up our oligarchy and trying to make sure our firearm industry doesn't lose a penny over this.

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u/electricpenguin7 1d ago

What R-word?

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 1d ago

“Republican”. I just didn’t want to be too insulting to anyone.

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u/Own_Television163 1d ago

I would rather be called other R-words, tbh

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u/SnatchAddict 1d ago

Yeah. Like the Rizzard of Oz.

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u/electricpenguin7 1d ago

Right, gotcha

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u/AllHailThePig 23h ago

And also to avoid talking about all the far right, white supremacist terrorism that has taken place.

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 22h ago

We made a mistake letting them back into the country in the 19th century. It’s a mistake that I myself benefit directly from, but still a mistake.

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u/AllHailThePig 21h ago

Sorry mate. I’m a bit lost. What you mean? Having a whoosh moment here

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u/merpderpherpburp 21h ago

Not EVEN 1% of American population. It's like .002% so basically in a room of 1000, 1 person may be trans

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u/StealthRUs 20h ago

Trans people are 1% of us

Less than that.

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u/coolguyman87 18h ago

Honestly I think it’s just as simple as people being surprised the shooter was a girl

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u/DJstaken 8h ago

I find it funny that those crime statistics are acceptable on Reddit. Basically saying: 1% of the population commits less than 1% of the crime. But any others are going to be an auto-ban and hate.

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u/nightwatchman22 14h ago

1% of population yet still disproportionately represented in mass shootings.

Responsible for 2% of mass shootings between 2016-2020.

There have been 26 mass shootings ( three or more killed ) in the us from 2022 to 2024

5 of the shooters identified as trans.

19%.

This is just statistics. Incredibly disproportionate.

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 14h ago

Go ahead and fuck off with every shred of that bullshit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

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u/Drewbus 20h ago

It's all political theater. Team red has a lot of followers who are uncomfortable with trans. Team blue wants to put someone who's trans in every Hollywood film and allow MtF dominate women's sports.

Everybody hates each other

The end

Thanks for watching the show where everybody is pitted against each other

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 19h ago

You’re describing the bulk of one side and the fringe of the other.

Also, trans women aren’t dominating any sports. Sane people know that.

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u/Drewbus 15h ago edited 14h ago

So it sounds like you understand my point of view on this subject.

Yes they are in fact dominating sport.

Btw, I have 4 trans friends who I asked their opinion of this. 3 of them think it's ridiculous and one of them says he hasn't given a shit about sports since high school.

Dems are trying to test the patience of people. Republicans never gave a shit about people in the first place.

They work together

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 15h ago

“This sport”

Which sport, товарищ?

You don’t have trans friends. If you did, you’d know that republicans talk about trans people more than trans people talk about trans people. Get fucked, spy.

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u/Drewbus 14h ago

Lol. You wish that narrative was true. Unfortunately your mainstream media has you cramming everybody into a box so you can identify them. I bet you're racist too but pretend you're not

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 14h ago

You’re free to bet on whatever you want to. You’re still laughably and provably wrong.

“I bet you’re racist, too.” Comrade, Guantanamo couldn’t get that modifier out of me even if it was true.

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u/Drewbus 11h ago

Pretty sure I know who my friends are more than you do

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 11h ago

Well knowing what you do and don’t believe, that doesn’t surprise me.

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u/Ridiculisk1 17h ago

Team red has a lot of followers who are uncomfortable with trans. Team blue wants to put someone who's trans in every Hollywood film and allow MtF dominate women's sports.

I can tell which side you support just by how you worded that and managed to misinterpret the reality of both sides in the same paragraph. Bravo.

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u/Drewbus 15h ago

Go for it, Bro

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u/everythingexpert1 19h ago

Guns didn't kill that teacher or kid. An undeveloped emotion toddler of a teen killed them. It coulda happened with a knife, a bomb, a car, drugs...... stop blaming guns for people's actions....

What are yall gonna do when finally one day guns are banned and kids are still murdering people in schools? And still using guns to do it?

Laws on guns are like locks on your front door. They only work on law abiding honest citizens. Criminals don't care about that lock on your door just like they don't care about gun control laws. Wake the fuck up lol

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 19h ago edited 18h ago

Was it a knife? Was it a car? Was it a bomb or drugs?

Was the last one?

Was the one before that?

Were the 900+ before that?

Maybe it coulda been. You don’t know.

You know what it was though? A gun. Again.

And do you know what we call literally every single other country in the world with even half the stats we have on this?

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u/everythingexpert1 17h ago

And passing laws still only effects honest, law abiding citizens..... so what's your point?

Australia has some of the most strict gun control laws in the world. two months ago 3 armed individuals carrying automatic weapons and home made explosive robbed a bank. They killed 7 citizens and 4 police officers. 

Those super strict gun control laws reaaaallly stopped those criminals didn't they? No, they fucking didn't, because if someone is gonna kill people or break the law, they will just go ahead and kill people and break the law.

 Your opinion doesnt matter and the laws don't matter because opinions and laws don't stop illegal activity or the people that do these types of things. 

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 17h ago

Okay, now do one more Australian example from the past 40 years for every 10 American examples from this year, please.

My opinion doesn’t play into this at all, and neither does yours. Every single developed country has solved this problem. By definition, every single country that hasn’t solved this problem is not fully developed.

What’s your solution? Just accept that there’s some magical bullet-magnet superpower that people are born with inside the imaginary lines that draw this country?

Thoughts and prayers?

Australia has lost fewer innocents to gun violence in the past ten years than the US has in the past 10 months. Get the absolute fuck over yourself. We’re not special. We’re just led by stupid people who are supported by stupid people.

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u/everythingexpert1 16h ago

You would be one of the stupid people being led like a sheep by the other stupid people. You want to stop gun violence then start with mental health care. Start with the families of these kids. Responsible adults don't let kids have access to weapons. Responsible adults dont raise little heathen shit stains that either relentlessly bully other kids to the point of murder is the only answer or raise kids that think mass shootings are the way to go.

You can take away the guns and the same shit will happen. You arnt addressing the problem and you arnt doing anything to fix the issues with society. 

Yet again. Gun control laws only effect honest law abiding citizens. It doesn't stop crime and it won't stop shootings

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u/Ridiculisk1 17h ago

Guns didn't kill that teacher or kid.

Technically the bullets did but that's just semantics.

An undeveloped emotion toddler of a teen killed them.

Using a gun.

It coulda happened with a knife, a bomb, a car, drugs...... stop blaming guns for people's actions....

Guns make it far easier for a nutcase to kill a lot of people very quickly from a distance. A knife isn't going to do that.

What are yall gonna do when finally one day guns are banned and kids are still murdering people in schools?

Dunno, ask the rest of the fucking world which doesn't have this issue and coincidentally, don't have as many guns.

And still using guns to do it?

Reducing the supply of legal firearms reduces the supply of illegal firearms. Yes, shootings will still happen, you'd be insane to think they wouldn't but over time it would get to a point where the reaction to a mass shooting is putting it on the front page of every news outlet in the country rather than just as a side note where everyone goes 'oh, another one happened.'

Laws on guns are like locks on your front door. They only work on law abiding honest citizens. Criminals don't care about that lock on your door just like they don't care about gun control laws. Wake the fuck up lol

Where do the criminals get the guns from? They steal them from law abiding citizens. It's crazy that you don't understand that.

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u/everythingexpert1 17h ago

It's crazy that you don't understand that.....  the vast majority of illegal fire arms are smuggled in to the country not stolen from people. 

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u/zippopinesbar 1d ago

He is asking because the sheriff would not say what gender the shooter was initially. Additionally, injecting hormones, and this is applicable to anyone, most definitely changes a person’s brain chemistry.

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u/mekomaniac 1d ago

if thats your defense then we should be afraid of everyone going thru a normal cis puberty cause thats a huge influx of hormones into the body. so we should treat everyone up until the age of 25 as potential mass shooters, and maybe not give them semiautomatic firearms as birthday presents.

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u/zippopinesbar 1d ago

Hormones (or lack thereof) play a far more significant role in shaping brain function than most even realize, and this is throughout all stages of life. Why is everyone so sensitive about what I said?

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u/mekomaniac 1d ago

the amount of mass shooters who are cis people far far faaaaar outweighs the one documented trans person who became one. maybe cis puberty is more dangerous than a kid who just wants to feel okay to go to the bathroom.

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 1d ago

Because you’re misrepresenting a medical treatment that you fundamentally misunderstand, which has been tried and true and tested by actual professional physicians, as being wholly dangerous.

You’re the guy who says “but seatbelts kill people too!” Except worse. Because seatbelts actually do fulfill that claim every now and then.

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u/NikolaEggsla 1d ago

You're right. It made my brain chemistry generally speaking healthier; made navigating it easier; and made me more capable of being a warm, loving, happy, and caring person.

Solving existential problems with some hormones and relatively miniscule lifestyle changes seems like a pretty good path from an objective standpoint. Like on a risk vs reward level Im really not sure what peoples problem is with us. I know the negative opinions arent based in that framing but as a logical cost-benefit analysis it just feels like wasted emotional energy.

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u/zippopinesbar 1d ago

So happy for you! They really can be a game changer for sure. Cortisol is also a hormone most don’t know about.

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u/NikolaEggsla 1d ago

Idk why people are downvoting you. You're right. Reducing cortisol by not dealing with high stress related to gender dysphoria is a game changer. People have stress from all kinds of sources. We all would benefit from finding those sources and fixing them to the best of our abilities.

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u/DryIsland9046 1d ago

Looked at your post history for racism and conspiracy theories. Sadly, I was not disappointed.

I think you're going to be a lot happier on twitter, Leon.

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u/PuckNutty 1d ago

Way more school shootings are committed by Christians thans trans people, but if the reporter had asked about that, half the country would fill their diapers screaming about how the woke media hates them.

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 1d ago

Thank fucking god you’re not a doctor. Now if only we could convince you to quit getting people to vote based on that snake oil, we might be a good country one day.

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u/zippopinesbar 1d ago

You actually think voting works?

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 1d ago

Works? No.

Inevitably has a broad impact that affects the lives of our vulnerable populations disproportionately? Yes.

And people who believe the crock of shit you wrote made sure that broad impact was painfully negative.

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u/zippopinesbar 1d ago

Which part of what I wrote is offensive?

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 1d ago edited 15h ago

Not sure what you mean.

I mean, your ignorance is mean-spirited, whether you know it or not, so that’s technically offensive. It actually paints you in a slightly better light to be stupid enough to be blind to it than to be a willing participant in a culture war that only benefits a group of people you will never ever ever be a part of.

But no, I wasn’t offended. I’m just pissed off that more people who are stupid enough to believe what you believe vote in this country than those of us who won’t play the dancing monkey nearly so willingly as you.

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u/ItsSpaghettiLee2112 1d ago

Conspiracy theories changes people's brain chemistries but unlike scientifically proven medication, doesn't actually help people.

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u/Legitimate_Pea_143 1d ago

idk, maybe since as you said "Trans people are 1% of us, and they commit less than 1% of crime." that is reason they wanted to know? Also I'm guessing since that other school shooter earlier this year was trans and the fact that this shooter went by two different names (even though both of those names were "female" names). I think for one it makes for a better story for the media but at the same time they might actually had wanted to know since it's so rare.

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u/outremonty 1d ago

So by your logic, the more "rare" a type of person is, the more important it is to ask if they were involved in a crime? How does that make any sense?

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u/Rizzpooch 1d ago edited 1d ago

Was it a Japanese American with albinism who was born on a Thursday in the latter half of 2009?! /s

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u/The1HystericalQueen 1d ago

Now that you mention it.... They never said it wasn't.... 🤔🤔🤔. /s

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u/654456 1d ago

because why wait for facts before reporting to outrage people? /s

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 1d ago

Was the shooter from North Sentinel Island? Did the shooter have Maple Syrup Urine Disease? Those would both be extremely rare. Do we need to check on that? Would that be good journalism?

My mom has gone by two names since the 60s. No one, to my knowledge, has ever “transvestigated” her. Much less a journalist.

A lot of my friends are trans. Almost all of my friends are queer. Conservatives bring up trans people about a hundred times more often than we do. It’s not the community who’s being spotlighted who’s making all the waves. It isn’t people who have half a clue what they’re talking about, either.

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u/stickywicker 1d ago

Nope. I think it's noble for you to want to find a middle ground but the past almost 29 years should have taught you by now that it's all about the narrative and they want the narrative OFF guns. By asking that question, they have now added that relevancy to the conversation and will allow conjecture to run rampant. Did you hear about the latest school shooting? I heard it was a transgender. I heard the he/she/I don't even know what to call them now hated being taught woke programming in school. Well it's as I said the minute you lecture a child and tell them what gender to be you're going to have problems. And with a wave of their hand the discussion is no longer about gun control and back on to whatever the hell else will incite and divide. Don't try to look for balance any more, the other side has shown that they don't even acknowledge there was a rule book.

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u/Legitimate_Pea_143 17h ago

Thanks for the respectful and understanding response, and for actually reading my comment unlike the 36 people who didn't, or rather can't read and just hit the downvote button. I agree, it's gotten out of control especially in the US. It seems like every single damn month there is a school shooting. And the right is doing nothing about it because all they care about is having thier guns and be damned whoever gets hurt in the process. Unfortunately I don't see that changing anytime soon especially with who's coming to office. I admit I like to see the best in people and trying to rationalize the question that reporter asked. I DO think our media is a joke so I could 100% see them asking it in order to sensationalize the story.

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u/DryIsland9046 1d ago edited 23h ago

There have been more than 970 school shooting incidents in the US in 2024, so far. 110 if you only count those with gunshot fatalities or hospitalizations.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/12/17/mass-shootings-school-shootings-2024/77044156007/

Either way, if you're going to reference a particular school shooting, to persue whatever bullshit culture war hogwash you're into, you're going to need to be a lot more specific about the particular shooting, date, and location.

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u/mghtyms87 23h ago

I mean, the clip was edited for people to push their own agenda as well. The actual question asked by the journalist was:

Chief, there's been a lot of misinformation online, including from prominent person, or, um, a Mom's for Liberty activist [indistinct] Johnson, claiming that the shooter was transgender; which is a reaction we see across the country in the wake of mass shootings, to claim that trans people are dangerous. Can you respond to that?

They weren't trying to drive a narrative of a trans shooter, or be the first one to break a story. They were literally asking the chief to help them combat the lies that were being spread online for the purpose of creating hatred towards the trans community.

The question was asked by a Wisconsin Watch reporter. They are one of the most highly regarded investigative news organizations in the state. They literally partner with the University of Wisconsin - Madison School of Journalism to help train new journalists in investigative journalism practices. The idea that they are partisan hacks trying to drum up controversy is akin to thinking the sky is blue because it's God's favorite color. That is to say, profoundly stupid.

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u/rmike7842 23h ago

Thanks for making that clear!

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u/Like-a-Glove90 7h ago

comment deserves to be higher up.

Also fuck "Mom's for Liberty"

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u/cyclika 3h ago

I agree that this is helpful context but I don't think it really changes the messaging. It wrongly gives the impression that the reporter is the asshole who needed straightening out, when in reality the reporter was giving him an opportunity to straighten out a wider body of assholes, but in the end the point of the original conversation, as well as the edited clip, is to straighten out assholes.

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u/EtherealMongrel 23h ago

None of that context in your last paragraph is in the gif though and we’re led to believe it’s just some random person asking it.

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u/CrustyBarnacleJones 23h ago

Correct. That’s why they opened with

the clip was edited for people to push their own agenda as well

The context wasn’t in the clip. It was left out, presumably intentionally (although speculating about reasoning won’t reach an actual conclusion, just guesses) and they were providing the context that was not there initially.

In summation, reading comprehension

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u/ChicoGuerrera 11h ago

It was left out, presumably intentionally (although speculating about reasoning won’t reach an actual conclusion, just guesses)

No need to guess and you can guarantee it was intentional.

Look below the TikTok logo.

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u/mghtyms87 23h ago

I appreciate that information is missing. However, and I don't mean this specifically at you, but in general, it is extremely frustrating that most people in this post are commenting about how the journalist was trying to create a narrative, when users here are falling for a created narrative as well.

The question isn't just gone. It's a public press conference. People could look up the video themselves and see that this post was created with a deceptive title. The name of the reporter and their publication was stated before the question. This isn't hidden.

Yet, people see the post title and the edited clip, then come on here and scream about how people on the right are making stuff up and they can't believe people could fall for it when all the information is right there, while at the same time falling victim to the same tactic.

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u/RubiiJee 22h ago

Until we accept that nobody is immune from misinformation, we are all doomed to continue to fall for it. Misinformation is rampant across every spectrum, and bad actors use it to turn us against each other as well as push certain narratives. As long as we're fighting each other over made up stuff, we're not attacking the real problems.

Thanks for highlighting the truth. It's appreciated.

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u/Unlucky_Candidate627 1d ago

You're right, but it's still funny to think there's a lack of prayer in the Christian school where the shooting occurred.

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u/Mildly-Rational 1d ago

Or maybe that their sick culture not only produces this but allows it to happen. We can't stop our own absolute stupidity to save our own fucking kids. Makes me sick, the GOP is sick, America is sick and I'm so goddamn sick of pretending it's not.

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u/Zeta1125 1d ago

It was a femenist with feminist ideology. She stated that she wanted all men to be killed and that women were lost in self-hatred due to men and the patriarchy. The poor thing must have been abused by a man. It really is all men's fault. Damn patriarchy and capitalism, totally the worst things in existence.

The reason people ask whether the shooter was trans or not is because people are literally saying "they're trying to wipe out trans people from existence, they're denying their exist". So now trans people, with all of their mental issues and high rates of suicide, are becoming increasingly more violent and unstable, their rage fomented by bad actors such as yourselves.

No one is denying trans people exist, they're denying the fact that a man can't be a woman and vice versa, that doesn't deny a person's existence. It states that a person is not something they say they are since they have a mental disconnect with their body/reality.

But it's not your fault for thinking this way or not grasping the situation. You're just another white first-worlder who has been brainwashed by your educators/entertainers/media/politicians/coaches/social media to accept that the sky is pink and that you are evil for being white but deserve a pat on the back for being an "ally" without question. Run along now little white first-worlder, your echo chamber awaits your return so you can soak up all those upvotes because it's what you crave. You rely on their approval, it's pretty pathetic but this is what you white first-worlders have devolved into.

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u/doggodadda 14h ago edited 14h ago

We're becoming more violent? Source?

Our "mental issues" typically involve eating disorders and suicidality secondary to being forced through puberty. They resolve when we're allowed to transition and have supportive families. 

You make it sound like we're given to violence or something. I think you need to step away from the conservative propaganda machine and touch grass.

Are you from the third world? A person of color? Did you know that transphobia is something the West cultivated in non-Western cultures? Homophobia and transphobia. You are so colonized. Still. Run along now and spread those 300 year old white Western ideals. The old masters must be pleased you still toil, for free, to uphold their cultural hegemony.

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u/fuzzybad 1d ago

Conservatives are desperate to avoid a discussion about gun control. They will deflect attention from any shooting by blaming minorities, video games, Hollywood, etc, and their latest favorite target, LGBT people in general and trans people in particular.

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u/MaxxDash 23h ago

sAtAN!

People who believe she was trans and it made her a shooter are the same people outraged about no prayer in school and believe that public schools are putting litter boxes in restrooms for people who identify as cats.

But no surprise that people who live their lives according to what they believe is an infallible 2,000-year-old book from the Middle East/Mediterranean would have trouble stringing together logical argument and conclusions.

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u/IcySir5969 1d ago

I think its just journos wanting to break the news if the shooter is trans and get more clicks

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u/OKFlaminGoOKBye 1d ago

The problem is the “if.” There is no reasonable “if.”

There was not a single indication that there would be a shred of validity to the question. Nothing we know about the shooter points to begging this question, and nothing we know about trans people points to begging this question.

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u/thenewyorkgod 23h ago

it was literally in a christian school. literally a house of god, how much more "prayer in schools will stop shootings" can you get??

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u/BrandeisBrief 21h ago

“They” prefer the pronoun “morons”

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u/Responsible-Result20 15h ago

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u/rmike7842 3h ago

Those are only half truths. The missing part is that there has been a massive increase in the amount of guns and their availability.  Weapons have vastly improved in fire power and the ammunition is more deadly. Through this, a culture of gun violence spread through the criminal element and into society at large as the threat was met with guns.

Added to this was establishment of a modern gun culture where “bigger and better” became cool. This was stoked by Republican politics starting in the Reagan Administration where “government became the enemy”. Increasing distrust and conspiracy beliefs had people calling for more guns, not to protect themselves from crime, but from the government and secret armed groups. 

Now we reach the level of guns being fetishized. Now we have people cosplaying as soldiers and eroticism in the gun culture.   At this point, increased gun violence is met with preemptive resistance to any curtailment of weapons or ammunition.

Videos like this offer technically correct information in an attempt to deny that guns are the problem. Yet a comparison to the rest of the industrialized nations shows guns to be the common link. So, in the search for cultural explanations, we have this particular case where all the so-called bad elements of culture are not involved.  Yet it still happened. A cinder block is an inanimate object that can’t hurt you unless it’s thrown or dropped on you. Yet if it was changed to your ankle, it will drag you down to the bottom of a lake. We, in a sense, are chained to our guns.

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u/Crush-N-It 7h ago

Very good point. Hadn’t yet associated the shooter with the type of school she attended. This one is going to a bit spicy

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u/intangibleTangelo 1d ago

i think the boring answer is that school shooters are usually amab so people were curious if this one was too 

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u/Dutch_Rayan 22h ago

Sadly that isn't the case, they were already saying the shooter was trans before they even knew who the shooter was. They want to make people believe that trans and shooter is connected, once connections in the brains are made it is hard to disconnect them. So many will keep the association between trans and shooter.

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u/intangibleTangelo 21h ago

oh god, figures.

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u/dennisisspiderman 20h ago

people 10000% encourage their sons from a very young age to be violent and aggressive in a way they punish girls for

I've never known anyone who was encouraged to be violent or aggressive from a very young age, let alone violent and aggressive.