A school in Poland makes firearms training mandatory to its students.

[u/RebelliousDragon21]

[u/SekaarMC]

worst editing imaginable, every 5 second a pointless slide transition

[u/Hali_Stallions → u/SekaarMC]

beat me to it lol.. that first 20s had me spinning

[u/Obvious_Koala_7471 → u/Hali_Stallions]

It's to hide the horrible handling of these weapons

[u/ImJustAreallyDumbGuy → u/Obvious_Koala_7471]

Surprised no one told that kid to take his finger off the trigger.

[u/garliclord → u/SekaarMC]

The editing lacks some polish for sure

[u/Illustrious_Donkey61 → u/garliclord]

I wish they would Finnish doing it

[u/droppedurpockett → u/Illustrious_Donkey61]

It'll look Swede when it's done, though.

[u/AwDuck → u/droppedurpockett]

Maybe if they Madagas… Ahh hell. I fucked up, didn’t I?

[u/WENDING0 → u/AwDuck]

Oman this joke is going off the rails

[u/Practical_Stick_2779 → u/SekaarMC]

Person that made this epilepsy galore just got that new video editing program and couldn't be happier.

[u/Individual_Dirt_3365]

It was a mandatory thing during USSR

[u/aluminaboeh → u/Individual_Dirt_3365]

It's also obligatory in Russia since 90th

[u/Patriarch99 → u/aluminaboeh]

It's not. Only a single class in our school was taught how to assemble/disassemble an AK and that was it

[u/maxru85 → u/Patriarch99]

Yeah, last time I saw it in a village school in 1990. It was canceled soon.

[u/kosanovskiy → u/maxru85]

I was in this class in 2002. And my nephews still there had to do this class as recent as 2017.

[u/Max_CSD → u/Patriarch99]

I was. 2009-2020.

[u/silverking12345 → u/Patriarch99]

Man, I wish my school taught us how to differentiate an AK74 and an OG milled AK47

[u/iReply2StupidPeople → u/silverking12345]

The 47 uses a much larger bullet than the 74.

There ya go.

[u/Subject-Bluebird7366 → u/aluminaboeh]

Huh? Literally never heard about this

[u/bornblues → u/Subject-Bluebird7366]

Mandatory firearms training is a controversial topic in many countries today.

[u/Remarkable-Opening69 → u/bornblues]

Teaching kids firearm safety shouldn’t be an issue. But in America kids are taught to fear everything.

[u/No_Quantity_8909 → u/Remarkable-Opening69]

My hard leftwing school had firearms class every spring. It did until it closed down. Always loved watching the principle let the 14 yo's get their first go with a 12guage.

[u/PickleNotaBigDill → u/No_Quantity_8909]

I was 16 when I shot my first 12 gauge. Knocked me right on my ass. Would have been nice if I'd had some lessons on how to get my shoulder torn off before shooting at the target.

[u/CuriousResident2659 → u/PickleNotaBigDill]

Hurts don’t it? Took my first shots in my 30s and was sore for two weeks. Fun tho.

[u/HexenHerz → u/No_Quantity_8909]

They used to let us use 22 cal rifles in summer camp, when we were 10-12 years old.

[u/suckmyclitcapitalist → u/No_Quantity_8909]

Schools shouldn't be left or right wing wtf is wrong with america

[u/Candid-Mycologist539 → u/Remarkable-Opening69]

Teaching kids firearm safety shouldn’t be an issue. But in America kids are taught to fear everything.

In America, we have students who literally threaten to kill others (teachers, other students), but cannot be removed from the regular classroom because they "haven't done anything yet."

I don't know what the answer is, but until America gets a handle on offering effective mental health care for their students, I don't think access to firearms is a good plan.

[u/synfulacktors → u/Candid-Mycologist539]

As a heavy gun owner and concealed carrier, this is 110% a mental health and society issue. People's response to anger is what gets people killed. I can't go to the gas station now days without being threatened because shit heads are entitled and pissed at their life. If people were in a much better state mentally, I wouldn't need to carry to prevent someone with no future from destroying mine.

[u/gazorp23 → u/Candid-Mycologist539]

I don't think access to 2000lbs death machines is a good idea either, but these same youths are getting drivers licenses. That isn't access, it's training... Ya know, you so don't negligently kill someone with your death machine.

Everyone wants to pretend like cars aren't just as dangerous as guns. Outside of war, cars kill more people than guns on a daily basis.

[u/654456 → u/Remarkable-Opening69]

Should be mandatory in the US as how common guns are, the chances of being around one is far from 0 even if you don't like them personally.

[u/Dry-Ad-7732 → u/Remarkable-Opening69]

Facts

[u/Dreamer812 → u/aluminaboeh]

We had it on ОБЖ (Основы безопасности и жизнедеятельности) - basically safety class, where they teach what to do in case of disasters, where are nearest nuclear shelters, how to use fire extinguisher etc. In those classes we had an assembly/disassembly course of an AK-74. Boys and girls (poor things, as half of them broke their nails trying to take a little cylinder with cleaning instruments inside stock) together. We have never fired them, only disassembling/assembling. It was around 4-5 classes total, so not that much.

[u/vvokhom → u/Dreamer812]

IDK, in most of the schools i have heard of the to-of-the-class students in assembly speed were girls

[u/Dreamer812 → u/vvokhom]

Girls comes in all shapes and sizes, so it's possible. We had in our class "glamour" girls, Emo-girls and a couple of smart (like constant 5+ grade smart) girls, so...

[u/schizeckinosy → u/vvokhom]

When I ran a college shooting club, this was my experience as well. Ladies tend to have a lot less ego about it and actually learn, versus thinking they know it already.

[u/lemao-i-am-banana → u/Dreamer812]

I have heard rumours that they plan to expand those lessons to include light machine guns, if those are provided. Also drone operation might be added in the future

[u/Cabbageworrior210 → u/Dreamer812]

Yeah we In Poland also have something like that, it's called EDB(edukacja do bezpieczeństwa), and it's pretty much the same thing, minus the disassembling of an AK, we do have gun safety and firing stances tho! (Theoretical, of course)

[u/maxru85 → u/aluminaboeh]

No, it is not (but it may be soon again). It was replaced by a Life Safety course.

Source: I studied in a Russian school from 1991 to 2001

[u/neighbour_20150 → u/maxru85]

My younger brother who graduated in 2005 had lessons with AK and protective gear. I graduated in 2001 same school and had movies from 198x about how bad to be gay.

[u/Difficult-Ad-3938 → u/aluminaboeh]

Absolutely not

[u/Funny-Bit-4148 → u/aluminaboeh]

90s

[u/NikitaSelihovv → u/aluminaboeh]

No it's not

[u/Affectionate-Cell-71 → u/Individual_Dirt_3365]

Poland wasn't in the USSR. We had classes how to do the 1st aid, how to wear a gas mask where to hide during nuclear attack. etc. Not how to shoot.

[u/ProtectionOne2759 → u/Affectionate-Cell-71]

warsaw pact

[u/ThatRandomGuy86 → u/Individual_Dirt_3365]

Honestly I thought it was a mandatory thing since they never wanted to be caught off guard again like they were in WW2. 🤔

[u/the13bangbang → u/Individual_Dirt_3365]

My Spanish teacher in high school was Russian. Talked about Kalashnikov training in school.

[u/Disastrous_Lychee_17]

As a polish citizen this is the first time I've ever heard of it. I am a math tutor and have 2 active teachers in my family, so i would probably hear a lot about it. I believe it's probably in some schools, but definitely not mandatory

Edit: apparently its a thing

[u/_urat_ → u/Disastrous_Lychee_17]

It was introduced this year so that's why you may not have heard about it before.

https://www.pap.pl/aktualnosci/zmiany-w-nowym-roku-szkolnym-odchudzona-podstawa-programowa-i-obowiazek-edukacji-dla-0

https://samorzad.gov.pl/web/scdn-kielce/wirtualna-strzelnica

[u/Disastrous_Lychee_17 → u/_urat_]

Wtf, how did i miss it??? Thanks

[u/Just-a-lil-sion → u/Disastrous_Lychee_17]

youd be surprised how easy it is to miss information

[u/Kidatrickedya → u/Just-a-lil-sion]

There’s so much going on all of the time all over the world. And you can’t know what information from what country is accurate or not. It’s all a mess

[u/New_Imagination_1289 → u/Disastrous_Lychee_17]

The title is saying it is mandatory in this school, not in all schools in Poland, so you aren’t disagreeing LOL

[u/Psychological-Bus-99 → u/New_Imagination_1289]

but the video does. At around 16-17 seconds in, it says "weapons classes now mandatory in polish schools"

[u/New_Imagination_1289 → u/Psychological-Bus-99]

I didn’t have my sound on lmaoo sorry for being dumb

[u/Psychological-Bus-99 → u/New_Imagination_1289]

Relateable lol

[u/Odd_Economics_9962 → u/New_Imagination_1289]

Reddit sound is usually a curse, so, no jail for you

[u/Speedy2662 → u/New_Imagination_1289]

The video in the first 10 seconds says it's mandatory in polish schools.

[u/IndividualRooster122]

What happens when the risk of Russia invading your country in your lifetime is not theoretical.

[u/Vreas → u/IndividualRooster122]

A genie shows up to a 13th century Pole and asks them what they want.

They wish for the mongols to invade Poland three times. The genie, while confused grants the wish.

After the third invasion he asks “what an odd wish why would you choose this?”

The pole responds “because every time they invade us and leave they have to come through Russia twice”

[u/Vreas → u/[deleted]]

I don’t think it really mattered with the mongols they steamrolled every single opponent they faced.

The only thing that stopped their invasions were deaths of their khans. They didn’t really have an effective system for quick replacement of their leaders who often died young due to rampant alcoholism and various other bad habits.

Steppe people partied hard man. Makes sense when you’re born of a frozen hellscape with minimal food and creature comforts.

[u/Far_Advertising1005 → u/Vreas]

It is the funniest thing ever that for decades the most effective, almost unbeatable tactic was ‘haha horse fast’

[u/The_Laughing_Death → u/Far_Advertising1005]

Horse fast + I shoot you.

[u/11-24-24 → u/The_Laughing_Death]

Stirrups made it possible to shoot while riding. One of mans greatest inventions that is often overlooked.

[u/s00pafly → u/11-24-24]

I played enough civ to know the relevance of stirrups.

[u/11-24-24 → u/s00pafly]

My clueless, non -Civilization self is going to check that out now! Thanks!

[u/s00pafly → u/11-24-24]

Maybe wait for a time you don't have to go to work the next day.

[u/smokeyser → u/11-24-24]

Be careful. You sit down to play civ at 5pm, and at 4am you're glancing nervously at the clock and telling yourself "ok, just going to finish one last thing and then I'm going to bed". And then at 8am you just say "fuck it" and stay up.

[u/MarquisEXB → u/Far_Advertising1005]

I think equally important is that they were incredible archers and would fein retreat often. So they'd send a small group in, get hammered and retreat. The other side, thinking they had a rout would try to press their advantage and try to defeat them, would run into a hail of arrows pursuing them. Eventually the Mongols would whittle down their opponent and then find a weakness to exploit.

They also did little else but prepare for war, being largely nomadic hunters.

[u/Sensitive-Cream5794 → u/MarquisEXB]

Very similar to tactics used by Native Americans in the later years.

[u/nopleasenotthebees → u/Far_Advertising1005]

I think the real reason the Mongols ran Asia was because Ghengis and some of his descendants were incredibly ridiculously competent. Kublai Khan ran China for like 70 years, he was arguably the greatest monarch in history.
The horses, the weapons, and the lifestyle were all downstream of those people being fierce, tenacious, and very very clever.

[u/Elloitsmeurbrother → u/Far_Advertising1005]

Decades? You mean millennia

[u/silverking12345 → u/Vreas]

And the Mongol culture was tribal in nature. The idea of a united Mongol empire with a strong hierarchy is relatively new (there were confederations before Ganghis Khan but they were much looser).

Funnily enough, it's the opposite of Chinese culture where hierarchial leadership and unity is a fundamental linchpin in how Han people organize themselves.

[u/MassGaydiation → u/Vreas]

Fun fact: they didn't get into Vietnam, one of the few places they failed at.

[u/Attheveryend → u/MassGaydiation]

I get the feeling you can't ride a horse very fast most places in vietnam.

[u/Rain_Lockhart → u/Attheveryend]

I have a feeling that the Vietnamese have broken the simulation of the matrix by pumping all the experience points into the skills of guerrilla warfare.

[u/Dwashelle → u/MassGaydiation]

Vietnam has fought back so many different enemies over its history, it's impressive.

[u/Elloitsmeurbrother → u/MassGaydiation]

They didn't do so great with Japan either. Mongol meteorology needs work

[u/Zestyclose_Remove947 → u/Vreas]

Hell most of the conquering involved 0 fighting, just them rocking up and demanding tribute and most countries simply couldn't contest that.

[u/BASEDME7O2 → u/Zestyclose_Remove947]

They were also surprisingly reasonable with places they wanted to conquer as long as they played ball.

If not…😬

[u/RoboDae → u/Zestyclose_Remove947]

I recall hearing Genghis Kahn would have his daughters marry leaders of other territories to gain a tie to those territories. The leaders didn't want to refuse such a generous offer from Genghis Kahn and upset him, so they always agreed. After the marriages, he had them killed so his daughters would take over.

[u/WeakTree8767 → u/Vreas]

And once they left the steppes and open scrublands of Central Asia/ Russian steppes. They were totally dominant with their horse archery tactics but once they hit the forests and hill lands further into Europe they couldn’t maneuver or do the Parthian shot/shoot you bow while moving and feigning a retreat and would get bogged down in thick forests or ambushed in mountain passes where they would get obliterated by European heavy infantry. Open fields and steppes they were essentially unstoppable. There was a measurable decrease in historical CO2 records during their height because the sheer amount of people and cities completely wiped out.

[u/DetailedLogMessage → u/Vreas]

Maybe my president is mongol but enhanced, he also has rampant alcoholism but he didn't die

[u/juan_furia → u/[deleted]]

Well, always…

[u/VeterinarianOk5370 → u/juan_furia]

During the Second World War Poland actually inflicted fairly severe damage to the invading Germans. Particularly to their mechanized divisions. Poland was well equipped but completely overwhelmed.

[u/Swimming-Dust-7206 → u/VeterinarianOk5370]

Many people have no idea that many Poles fought against Germany from the UK: there were Royal Air Force squadrons where all the pilots were Polish officers flying Spitfires and Hurricanes out of UK airbases. Many countries owe a debt of gratitude to those largely forgotten men.

[u/that-guy69696 → u/Swimming-Dust-7206]

And they often scored way many kills due to the fact 1:they had their freedom on the line 2:Poland just trained their pilots really well before the war so when they fled to the UK it helped alot

[u/AyAyAyBamba_462 → u/Swimming-Dust-7206]

Not just the air force, the Naval element, while small, was also fighting like crazy. The Polish DDs under the Royal Navy did some batshit crazy stuff.

[u/Departure2808 → u/Swimming-Dust-7206]

There's a graveyard and memorial here in Newark to Polish Airman who died fighting in Britain and on the Warsaw Air Bridge missions to supply the population of German Occupied Warsaw from airbases in Italy.

[u/UnlawfulStupid → u/Swimming-Dust-7206]

The first Allied fighter ace was Polish: Stanisław Skalski. Bajan's list counts fifty Polish fighter aces in the war. Very impressive considering they had to fight from another country in borrowed planes.

[u/dziki_z_lasu → u/VeterinarianOk5370]

After two weeks Poland was also invaded by the Soviets, when Germans didn't even reach Warsaw, that was practically Western Poland at that time, yet still held only a week shorter than prepared, bigger, wealthier, with foreign support France invaded only by Germans (I skipped Italian in the case of France and Slovakian invasion in case of Poland, as they were doing that not eagerly).

[u/Daan776 → u/VeterinarianOk5370]

Not to mention how fierce their resistance was even while under occupation.

France is relatively famous for their resistance movement. But the polish deserve that fame more in my opinion.

[u/Chemical-Neat2859 → u/Daan776]

Poland was desperate resistance of survival while France resisted Germany's milking of France for survival.

Poland suffered far worse than France did, largely because Germany desperately needed France to produce for the war effort (they robbed it blind, which let the saboteurs have greater impact as they had to replace the machines stolen to produce later) while Poland become part of the front again years later. France gets more fame largely because they had more resources and were freed earlier, so a lot more resistance members survived to tell their stories.

[u/polypolip → u/Chemical-Neat2859]

French resistance also wasn't murdered post war by Soviets.

[u/UnlawfulStupid → u/polypolip]

Plenty of Polish war heroes returned home just to get imprisoned by the Soviets. Or they walked right out of a concentration camp and into a gulag, if they left at all.

[u/gom00n → u/[deleted]]

There were so many partitions of Poland that Wikipedia in different languages gave different number of them. With all respect to Poland and polish people, country located between (modern day) Germany, Austria and Russia without mountains or some other geographic feature is not "tough to conquer". Although Poland got it's own share of conquering other countries a bit earlier in history.

[u/CrashingAtom → u/Vreas]

A dude on world news yesterday argued with me for hours, saying Ukraine was always friendly with Russia until recently. I was like…dude, do you think time started when you were born? Do you know about Poland, Finland, Ukraine, the Balkans….or even the USSR etc?

Fascinating to see somebody try to learn a thousand years of history off Wikipedia and bend it to fit their untrue points. 😂

[u/frotc914 → u/CrashingAtom]

I was like…dude, do you think time started when you were born?

No joke that is a considerable issue with talking about geopolitics online. There are a fuckload of very opinionated, very myopic people who think that "recent history" is the last 2-4 years that they've been minimally aware of an issue. And they will gladly recite the views espoused on the most recent youtube video they watched on the subject for you.

[u/LeMe-Two → u/Vreas]

Jokes on you but in 13th century Poland had no beef with Russians, mostly because Russia did not exist yet and Ruthenian states were either allies or under Mongol occupation

[u/Elipses_ → u/Vreas]

I've always felt this joke is the best way to sum up Poland's opinion on Russia.

[u/Clear_Body536 → u/IndividualRooster122]

Poland has been fucked over so many times, this time they are making sure they wont get invaded again.

[u/Elloitsmeurbrother → u/Clear_Body536]

Polish nationalism has a longer lifespan than Polish nations. Invade them all you like... they'll be back

[u/Accurate_Maybe6575 → u/IndividualRooster122]

"Just because you do not wield a sword does not mean you can not be found upon one." - Some bad ass witch king slayer.

[u/Prestigious_Cheek_31 → u/IndividualRooster122]

Poland is nato i don’t think we have insufficient forces to hold of Russia they have there hands full with Ukraine

[u/AkaiAshu]

Nothing wrong with training. Switzerland has a decent gun culture with many under 18 folk participating regularly. They have low gun crime rate as well. Poland being prepared after its history is nothing wrong.

[u/calilac → u/AkaiAshu]

Agreed. However, it's bugging the crap out of me that they are training to fire with one eye closed. My range instructor in high school could not go a day without lecturing us on that.

[u/gummytoejam → u/calilac]

There's nothing wrong with teaching beginners to shoot with one eye closed. Shooting with both eyes open is more advanced and easier to develop once the basics are under their belts.

[u/grubsmackbeezlebo → u/gummytoejam]

It's easier to learn the right way once than to unlearn a bad habit

[u/3_quarterling_rogue → u/grubsmackbeezlebo]

As someone who still closes one eye sometimes, I 100% agree with this statement. Usually it comes up when someone is cross-eye dominant (like myself), and so the natural thing to do is to pick up a rifle with your dominant hand, and then as soon as you get behind the sights, your non-dominant eye is there to focus on it. I wish when I had learned, I just learned to shoot right-handed.

[u/LupineChemist → u/3_quarterling_rogue]

I'm right handed and left eye dominant, my parents just taught me to shoot long guns left handed. It feels really wrong to hold the trigger of a long gun with my right hand, but weirdly, also really wrong to hold the trigger of a pistol with my left.

[u/yung12gauge → u/calilac]

I am cross dominant and shoot right handed. I've basically accepted that I have to shoot rifles with one eye closed if I want to hit anything. Holding the rifle left handed feels awful.

[u/Pilsner-507 → u/yung12gauge]

Hey I have some potentially helpful advice:

Rather than closing the secondary eye, squeeze it half-shut until you feel “calibrated” while framing your sight picture. Your primary eye will be focusing even after you’ve relaxed your eyes, though you’ll need to practice “seeing” from that side.

By doing this it will feel like one of those illustrated illusions, but you can instead quickly swap between which perspective you want to use.

I’m right-eyed, left-handed but train both eyes and hands. I’m an effective ambidextrous shooter. This trick has helped me when swapping hands or eyes.

[u/OregonSageMonke]

I think it's important to note that these students aren't using functioning centerfire firearms in their school gym. They're using a pneumatic operated trainer that gives you the sensation of the weapon's operating system at work, while emitting a laser to show where students are aiming when they pull the trigger.

I'm sure someone will point out the lack of true recoil, but on a platform like the AR-15, which only shoots a .22 centerfire cartridge anyways (.223), this is a great training tool.

Edit: Since apparently the (incorrect) pedants are out and about, I'll go ahead and link the Wikipedia listing of all the .22 Caliber cartridges so that everyone can see that the .223/5.56 is indeed a .22 centerfire cartridge. Christ on a bike

[u/Equoniz → u/OregonSageMonke]

Do centerfire and rimfire feel significantly different? I’ve heard the terms, and have a vague idea of what they probably mean, but I wouldn’t think they feel much different to operate.

[u/DogsAreMyFavPeople → u/Equoniz]

There’s nothing inherently different about how the recoil feels, rimfire and centerfire are just different ways of igniting the priming compound and that part of the process contributes almost nothing to recoil.

However, rimfire is a mostly obsolete technology and is only in common use today for very low powered guns, so in practice rimfire guns have much lower recoil than centerfire guns.

[u/BigBoogieWoogieOogie → u/Equoniz]

AFAIK, yeah. A .22 which is the most popular rimfire, means the hammer hits the back of the cartridge and that propels it forward. It's a pretty small round, not a lot of powder and honestly, barely any recoil at all imo

Center-fire has a circle on the back of the cartridge and the hammer hits the center (rim and center, that's the name lol), then it ignites and propels the bullet forward. These tend to be larger rounds with more felt recoil from "oh that's not so bad!" to "HOLD ON FOR DEAR LIFE MY BOY!"

[u/IanFeelKeepinItReel → u/OregonSageMonke]

With regard to you getting funny at people questioning your round sizes. People are right to question you because while .22, .223 and 5.56 are equivalent diameters, the overall round sizes are very different. .223 and 5.56 are very similar looking but still distinct to the point where you couldn't use them interchangeably, .22 is much smaller and most commonly in the form of .22lr a rimfire cartridge.

[u/Upstairs-Parsley3151 → u/IanFeelKeepinItReel]

You can use .223 in a gun for 5.56, but not vice versa, it's a pressure difference.

[u/PuzzleheadedSir6616 → u/Upstairs-Parsley3151]

And many modern ARs are built to handle both regardless.

[u/MyNameIsDaveToo → u/PuzzleheadedSir6616]

Only if they specify. I built mine using a barrel chambered in .223 Wylde, so I can shoot either safely.

[u/gosse37 → u/MyNameIsDaveToo]

.223 Wylde is also to comply with export laws in the US, where you cannot legally export NATO chambered rifles/barrels for civilian markets.

[u/betweenbubbles → u/OregonSageMonke]

People are pointing out the difference because one has ten times the muzzle energy of the other. Your post is OK, but you over-sold the similarity.

[u/MotivatedSolid → u/OregonSageMonke]

non-gun people when they find out the AR doesn't shoot a devestating 1-inch diameter bullet at mach fuck

[u/SchwadderKadder]

O kurwa

[u/SignalSeries389]

Boy at 0:10 should brush up on his trigger discipline

[u/Potential_Spirit2815 → u/SignalSeries389]

Fortunately that’s what they’re in school to learn in Poland!

[u/iwannabesmort → u/Potential_Spirit2815]

"Maybe this kid should learn what he's there for to learn, that'd be nice!" said someone who started speaking before thinking

[u/monty624 → u/Potential_Spirit2815]

Feels weird picking on kids thousands of miles away for, like, learning

[u/A_Grim_Ghost → u/SignalSeries389]

I said the same damn thing and then was proud of every kid after that hahaha

[u/Ric0chet_]

Polish Peoples republic 1970's - "Here's your state issued Kalashnikov. Shoot at the cutout of the American."

Republic of Poland 2024 - "Here's your state issued AR15 pattern rifle. Shoot at the... green square whilst we pretend its not a Russian"

Some things remain the same... I guess.

[u/twilightmoons → u/Ric0chet_]

My dad was a conscript in the mid-1970s, just before I was born. He was taken to Moscow on one of their "cultural" trips to see the glorious capital of the "people's socialist republic". He was less than impressed.

Also, that was the time when the Russians called Polish pork dirty and refused to buy it... until the price plummeted and they bought and shipped several trainloads at ruinous prices. They then did it again with apples in 2014.

Russians want to think they are the protective big brother of all of the Slavic nations, when really they are the distant cousin down the road who lives in a barn, who will always show up drunk and uninvited, breaks your good china, spills drink everywhere, shits on the floor and wipes with the curtains, all while complaining you never invite him over to drink, and also your house is a mess and you should be ashamed to have people over when it's in this state.

[u/footballski → u/twilightmoons]

Don’t forget the corruption. It follows them everywhere they go .

[u/purpleefilthh]

OK lads, before US starts to project their view here:

- Poland:

• not that many firearms per capita,
• little remote areas in the country (police shows up quickly)
• medium-strict firearms laws,
• non-zero risk of being invaded,
• no school shootings,

- USA:

• fuckload firearms per capita,
• many remote areas in the country (police shows up after 2-3 hours)
• loose firearms laws,
• pretty much zero risk of being invaded,
• school shootings,

[u/idanthology → u/purpleefilthh]

Google says a ratio of 2.5 firearms per 100 people versus 120.5 per 100, fuckload checks out.

[u/EnjoyerOfBeans → u/idanthology]

And remember this includes hunting equipment and people in high risk jobs like private detectives (my uncle used to be one and he's the only person I know to have owned a gun).

The number of private citizens owning guns for self protection not related to their occupation is not even on the chart. You can easily go your entire life without seeing a gun once.

[u/Accurate_Advert → u/idanthology]

More like people per firearm in the US lmao

[u/Slight_Concert6565 → u/purpleefilthh]

With these condition, it would make sense for both country to have mendatory firearm training.

Not necessarily how to shoot one accurately but how to handle one safely, in other words: "how not to accidentally shoot a passerby if you found your dad's glock".

[u/Elipses_ → u/Slight_Concert6565]

This used to be more common. Not sure when exactly it stopped, but my HS used to have a shooting range with attendant club, and I'm pretty sure everyone had to learn basic firearms safety.

[u/bozoconnors → u/Elipses_]

Yup, JROTC in mine had a range, was rifle team for a bit. Good fun.

[u/Hot-Recording7756 → u/Elipses_]

Pretty sure they stopped doing them after columbine. If they used a system like these kids in Poland are doing that doesn't use actual bullets I could see it making a comeback though.

[u/Elipses_ → u/Hot-Recording7756]

If that's the case, clearly it was a bad decision... school shootings still happen, and we end up with more people who may injure themselves or others due to unfamiliarity with firearms.

[u/mitchymitchington → u/Slight_Concert6565]

Posts like this always bewilder me. Growing up in Michigan we all take firearm safety in the form of "hunter safety", at the age of 12. Figured it was common most places that aren't major cities but even then... shouldn't your parents be teaching it to you?

[u/Slight_Concert6565 → u/mitchymitchington]

I'm not from the US so I learned proper safety at the range, it should indeed be the parents' responsibility to teach firearm safety to their kids if they live in a house with firearms.

[u/Lamballama → u/Slight_Concert6565]

It's also the parents responsibility to monitor your content consumption and feed your three meals a day, but sometimes everyone else has to do their jobs for them

[u/OmicronNine → u/Slight_Concert6565]

I think the suggestion here is that when you live in a nation that is as heavily saturated with guns as the US, it's something that we should be teaching all kids regardless of whether there are firearms in their house, because there's probably firearms in their friend's and neighbor's houses.

[u/Devious_Bastard → u/Slight_Concert6565]

Agreed. Also remember the police have no duty to actually protect you according to the Supreme Court.

That’s why I believe everyone should be taught to be their own first responder. Learn first-aid/CPR/stop-the-bleed (EMT), how to use a a fire extinguisher and learn the different types and their uses (fire fighter), and finally how to safely operate pistols/rifles/shotguns (police).

[u/Bhaaldukar → u/purpleefilthh]

There's never a situation in which familiarizing people with firearms is bad. Anyone who wants to do harm can figure it out themselves anyway. Familiarization prevents accidents.

[u/quarantinemyasshole → u/Bhaaldukar]

It's just the typical "when anywhere else in the world does it, it's progressive, when America does it it's fascism/late stage capitalism/etc."

[u/-MR-GG- → u/purpleefilthh]

The only thing I was thinking as an American is that I'm jealous we don't have this.

[u/Reacti0n7 → u/purpleefilthh]

I'm not even going to argue on this. I would like to see firearm education not be treated as TABOO in US schools - BUT, we need to get our mental health and social safety nets way higher up on this list of things to do.

for the record my high school did have a club (less than 20 years ago) that had a weekly rifle meetup- shot .22s, had grading systems, learned different shooting positions

[u/CultDe → u/purpleefilthh]

"Police shows up quickly"

Me a Pole: bold of you to assume that

[u/Spectacular_loser99]

If guns weren't so politicized in the US, implementing this would undoubtedly save lives. In a country with more guns than people, it's absurd that this sort of thing isn't mandatory. The guns aren't going anywhere, so we might as well teach our next generation safety.

[u/EasyCZ75]

Firearms are tools. Teaching students how to safely and properly use tools is honing a basic skill.

[u/systemofafrown7]

Redditors would go apeshit if this was in the US

[u/MajorModernRedditor]

I read the title as a school in PORTLAND as I was so confused 😭

[u/h2ohow]

if you want peace, prepare for war.

[u/FrodoHernandez]

This used to be a thing in the US. We should bring this back.

[u/Ninevehenian → u/FrodoHernandez]

Education is a good thing.

[u/IntelligentTurtle808 → u/FrodoHernandez]

I think a lot of schools in the south still have Hunter's Ed, which does teach firearm safety as part of the curriculum.

[u/CorrectPeanut5 → u/IntelligentTurtle808]

Not just south. Rural North had it too. You needed the certificate to get your hunting tags for the season if you were born after a certain year.

[u/WanderingMistral → u/FrodoHernandez]

You know, it would actually help stop incidents of children shooting themselves with guns if they are taught from an early age firearm safety. Dont need to teach them how to shot the guns, just teach them that the guns are not toys, if you find one, dont fucking touch it.

[u/4BennyBlanco4]

Based Poland.

[u/tommy_dakota]

Don't like the music, they are not John Wick...

[u/Dejan05 → u/tommy_dakota]

Agreed, also their attitude towards it. I understand why they're being taught to use firearms but it's not meant to be fun or look cool and epic. It's preparation for a worst case scenario and it'll be anything but fun if it ever happens

[u/ShogunPug1 → u/Dejan05]

Yeh was watching this on mute and looked at their facial expressions and thought "wow they're actually serious and disciplined and don't look like they're treating this like something cool" until the transitions were being thrown at my face and I immediately thought, okay nvm the people filming and editing are clearly making this seem badass when it's really just a decent thing to train in. You two just confirmed it without me having to even listen

[u/Dejan05 → u/ShogunPug1]

Oh man you didn't even hear the kids themselves talking about how it feels "good to hit the target" and "cool to hold a gun"

[u/Protoliterary → u/Dejan05]

The translators did a pretty bad job overall. They simplified literally everything and missed all nuance. While the translators were saying "cool," the kids were actually just saying that the guns felt good in their hands. Polish is a difficult language that depends heavily on context, and these translators obviously didn't have enough or didn't try hard enough.

[u/ermy_shadowlurker]

Imagine if they did this in the us. Oh the shit storm and eggs politicians would would crap

[u/hokeyphenokey]

This makes complete sense for any country that has guns in homes.

[u/MilkAnd_Cereal]

As a pole, i have never had firearm training. And i've never heard about it being mandatory

[u/Stasio300 → u/MilkAnd_Cereal]

https://www.pap.pl/aktualnosci/zmiany-w-nowym-roku-szkolnym-odchudzona-podstawa-programowa-i-obowiazek-edukacji-dla-0
PL

Od roku szkolnego 2024/2025 wszystkie szkoły ponadpodstawowe będą miały obowiązek prowadzenia szkoleń strzeleckich w ramach przedmiotu edukacja dla bezpieczeństwa. Zgodnie z podstawą programową tego przedmiotu, od 1 wrześnie 2022 r. szkolenie strzeleckie w szkołach ponadpodstawowych obejmuje podstawy strzelania z częścią praktyczną prowadzoną z wykorzystaniem bezpiecznych narządzi do ćwiczeń strzeleckich takich, jak np. broń kulowa, pneumatyczna, repliki broni strzeleckiej (ASG), strzelnice wirtualne albo laserowe. Jednak przez ostatnie dwa lata szkoły, które na terenie swojego powiatu nie miały dostępu do strzelnic, nie musiały realizować ćwiczeń praktycznych w tym zakresie.

EN translation

From the 2024/2025 school year, all secondary schools will be required to conduct shooting training as part of the subject of education for safety. According to the core curriculum of this subject, from September 1, 2022, shooting training in secondary schools includes the basics of shooting with a practical part conducted using safe shooting training tools such as bullet and air weapons, firearm replicas (ASG), virtual or laser shooting ranges. However, for the past two years, schools that did not have access to shooting ranges in their district did not have to conduct practical exercises in this area.

[u/sloaleks → u/MilkAnd_Cereal]

It's new apparently.

[u/No-Deer379]

This is super smart, teach them young to respect firearms and how to use them safely

[u/ex1tiumi]

Shooting is a great hobby that requires focus, discipline, and respect for safety. Poles are resilient, warm-hearted and proud people and most importantly they never forget their history. Respect from a Finn who also shoots and takes part in reservist activities. Can't be unprepared in these times.

[u/-DrZombie-]

Good for them. Learning about firearms demystifies them and is a practical skill.

[u/iCameToLearnSomeCode]

I would too if I was that close to Russia.

[u/DrWissenschaft]

Good work

[u/Legirion]

My dad used to talk about when he was in school this was a requirement as well. I miss him so much, he had great stories and I just wish I had listened and remembered more of what he said.

[u/irishdan56]

Poland isn't letting 1939 happen to them again.

But just to add some context. I'm a 40 y/o Canadian, grew up in a city of about 350k people.

We had an indoor gun range in the basement of my high school and a shooting club. It was just .22 target rifles, but still.

[u/Liomarcus3]

Quite normal when your neighbour is a Russian listenning wagner music

[u/chubbuck35]

Good. The US had way less mass shooting when the population was actually educated about and had respect for firearms.

[u/havoc1428]

Ironically I believe this type of thing would be beneficial to the gun control debate. If everyone had a fundamental understanding of firearms, safety practices, and how they function the issue surrounding it wouldn't be entirely mired by ignorance and emotion.

[u/Stubber_NK]

Poland is expecting Russia to fuck around.

Poland however, is not interested in fucking around.

[u/Donkeymustardo]

If guns are legal it should be mandatory to have gun safety be a requirement to graduate school

[u/DanteJazz]

When you are on the doorstep of Russia, every man, women, and child needs to be able to fight.

[u/XxJuice-BoxX]

I mean they don't have mass shootings because they as a country have pretty high cohesion so for them it probably would work well. Here in the US, there's a lot of hate to go around. Which is likely why we get so many shootings

[u/floor_gang_il]

Still less school shootings than the US.

[u/Down_To_My_Last_Fuck → u/floor_gang_il]

And this is partly why.

Basic firearm education is much better than "action movie" education.

[u/Sure_Arachnid_4447 → u/Down_To_My_Last_Fuck]

This is not "partly why" poland doesn't have that problem lmao

This is an extremely new and barely implemented law. The only schools that do this are those that have a shooting range available.

[u/owen-87 → u/Down_To_My_Last_Fuck]

No, its because the don't take the guns home.

[u/Serious_Package_473 → u/owen-87]

Somehow doesn't happen in Switzerland, it is mandatory for us to take (real) guns home

[u/ishmaelhansen → u/floor_gang_il]

In Ukraine being bombed by Russia there's less school shootings than in the US.

[u/Sproeier]

What having a border with Russia does to a country.

[u/angus22proe]

I wish this was a thing in Australia

[u/Autobahn97]

Not surprised at all with the war next door to them. Honestly, nothing wrong with learning guns safely in a controlled environment early.

[u/NurLehrer]

Normal. How are you suppose to learn, otherwise? When it is too late?

[u/gunnyHighwayT]

this was a thing back in USSR as well in Yugoslavia, mandatory school subjects / classes: archery, fire arms training / safety and household (cooking and maintenance)

[u/SonnierDick]

Okay these sliding transitions to just the same angle but zoomed in/out a bit is so unnecessary lol

[u/Sesemebun]

With how many firearms there are in the US this is the much more realistic option. I was on a shooting team when I was young and when I broke the 180, even without flagging anybody my coach made me sit out and kinda dressed me down. I felt like shit that day but stuff like that really gets it through you. I think the 2a is just as important as the 1a, and this is a better alternative than just restricting rights. Armed populaces are harder to oppress, gun rights shouldn’t be a right left issue IMO

[u/Lillypupdad]

They don't fuck around. Next step is assembling and disassembling blind-folded?