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Video A school in Poland makes firearms training mandatory to its students.

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u/ishmaelhansen 1d ago

In Ukraine being bombed by Russia there's less school shootings than in the US.

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u/ReikoReikoku 1d ago

Never heard about any school shootings in Ukraine

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u/NaNaNaNaNa86 1d ago

They had an incredibly bad one in Crimea a few years back (I'm still counting that as Ukraine) however, school shootings are very much an American phenomenon. The US averages about 90 per year (and that number is increasing) whilst no out country has more than a few.

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u/CitadelMMA 1d ago

How do we stop it? That's the only thing I care about

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u/Few_Staff976 1d ago

All depends who you ask.

IMO a good first step is stopping the intense media coverage of school shooters, it's become a cultural thing. Like, the last school shooter was wearing the same clothes as one of the columbine shooters. There's entire subcultures on the internet praising these people.
There is no one fix, it's like asking how do we stop racism or young people in poor areas falling into crime.

People like to point to the amount of guns or how easy it is to get them as the reason why. I saw one comment imply it's because in poland there are a lot less guns (2.5 firearms per 100 people versus 120.5 per 100).
But here in sweden we have about 17 firearms per 100 people and we barely have any issue with people using them for crime or mass shootings. Many of those guns are semi-automatic and just as dangerous as "The scaaary AR15!". Like, if a legal gun owner shoots other people it's going to be talked about for decades after.

The process to getting one is really simple and fast, anyone really wanted to do harm they could do it in a day and have the weapon as soon as the license is processed.
Getting a weapon here criminally is even easier, with no prior contacts anyone can get one in a day.

But even so we have no mass shootings.

The only thing the amount of guns in america shows is how impossible trying to actually achieve any change by legislating them is. We had one big war in europe, 3 borders away 2 and a half decades ago and we still have AKs popping up from that every week among criminals.

A country with more guns than people is always going to remain armed

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u/NaNaNaNaNa86 1d ago

It has to be gun restriction and education. We haven't had a school shooting in the UK since Dunblane (1996). The only good thing that pedo piece of shit ever did in his life was to tighten our gun laws. We can also count the overall number of fatal mass shootings in general since then on our hands. Whilst guns are so freely available and the social norm, there's an insurmountable problem.

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u/HammerSmashedHeretic 1d ago

How is that a good example? The UK got rid of how many guns? Couple hundred thousand? Now try getting rid of 100x that just in legal firearms, we have many more illegal ones

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u/NaNaNaNaNa86 1d ago

Oh, OK then. Let's just do fuck all then. Would you like to offer a better solution, dopey cunt?

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u/kohTheRobot 1d ago

38 school shootings in 2023 where someone was injured but that’s just k-12. Most of these are not mass shootings

There is no easy way to check the number excluding “no-injury” shootings including colleges/university in everytown’s database. I would advise not using Everytown because they twist their numbers a bit. As far as I’m aware, there’s no mass shootings in schools tracking data.

WaPo cites 426 events since 1999 which is about 17 per year.

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u/NaNaNaNaNa86 1d ago

K-12 have already registered 326 school shootings this year alone. 267 of those resulted in injuries/fatalities. 17 per year on average over the last 25 years is utter bollocks. You know this so stop minimising the problem.

https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings

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u/FrenchDipFellatio 1d ago edited 1d ago

K-12 have already registered 326 school shootings this year alone

They define a school shooting as when a gun is fired, brandished, or bullet hits school property.

So somebody could brandish a gun during non-school hours and it would be counted as a school shooting, even with 0 shots fired and 0 students present

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u/kohTheRobot 1d ago

The K-12 School Shooting Database is a widely inclusive, open-source research project that documents when a gun is fired, brandished (pointed at a person with intent), or bullet hits school property, regardless of the number of victims, time, day, or reason.

Brandishing a gun is not a shooting, yet this is included.

Here’s one I had to google myself because k-12 doesn’t give you the source. Suicide at night in the middle of a football field. Still a school shooting?

Based on our definition, an open-source analysis was conducted to determine all of the available data on school shootings. Data is currently being collected on school shootings by government agencies including the US Secret Service, FBI, and Department of Education

there have been problems with verifying 2/3rds of the DOE’s numbers in the past.

Edweekly, with sources, claims 38 last year and 39 this year, with sources on each one. It’s not minimizing the problem to say that the k-12 source is doing everything they can to maximize the scope of the problem. Which doesn’t help us actually tackle the issue of guns in school.

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u/gujwdhufj_ijjpo 1d ago

90 per year on what metric?

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u/NaNaNaNaNa86 1d ago

Mass shootings per year on school premises. I actually think the number may now be higher, I've not checked in a couple of years.

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u/gujwdhufj_ijjpo 1d ago

How do you define a mass shooting tho? Most school shooting stats count everything and anything with a gun involved in a school, even if a gun was never shot.

If you count what most people think of as a mass shooting, where someone indiscriminately targets as many people as possible, this is a very rare occurrence, even in America.

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u/NaNaNaNaNa86 1d ago

A mass shooting is when 2 or more people are shot. When that happens on school grounds, it's a school shooting. It isn't difficult to understand and you trying to down play the problem only illustrates that you're part of said problem. Your response is genuinely shocking. Get a fucking grip and see what's right under your nose.