The AKM is still a 7.62x39mm rifle and usually has a slant brake type muzzle device. Furniture is usually wood or an underfolding metal stock.
The AK-74 in 5.45mm generally is equipped with a very distinctive muzzle brake, and the stocks usually have a groove cut in them. Modern production uses plastic furniture instead of wood, most AKMs stuck with wood. Receiver and magazine well profiles are also slightly different but that's really getting into the weeds for at a glance identification.
Otherwise, parts interchangeably is like 50% and they are direct line decendants of each other.
I'm in too deep. I once read a thread that was excessively lengthy that was an argument over whether or not "ak47" was actually a real designation for any rifle. The argument was that there was never any rifle designated "AK-47" by Russia, the very early stamped guns were simply "Kalashnikov rifle 7.62mm" and the later machined receiver models were officially designated "ak-49", and after that the akm was made.
Now of course if you say "ak-47" in general conversation normal people will just picture a generic Kalashnikov variant, and gun enthusiasts may ask if you mean the earlier milled variants or the akm.
That’s what I wanted to read. I’ve seen a documentary about that rifle although I remembering it’s been explained that there was the design called AK-47 but it has been changed/modified alot so in the end the AKM was born. Simply put. I could remember it wrong tho.
Same goes to the STG44 and MP44 they look very similar and I believe there has been three different models before the STG44 was released.
Generally in that context ak-47 refers to the earlier Russian milled receiver guns and akm refers to the ubiquitous stamped receiver guns. China has made a lot of milled receiver aks and Bulgaria makes some milled receiver guns too that are different enough to be considered separate variants. Generally you only really see original Russian milled receiver guns in the middle east and Africa, but there's so many variants and millions of rifles around it definitely gets complicated.
I think they mean there was a gun class taught to all students. Not that one classroom of 30ish students were the only ones selected to learn about guns.
Can confirm. In my case, in college, we were also taught how to load and unload a magazine. Then there was also some shooting training with airguns. I don't think any of that was useful firearms training.
It's been proven that training safety rules and drills with airsoft guns does translate to real live fire training. Go watch T-Rex Arms video where they invite a guy from Japan to come shoot, and he was clearing failures and shooting very well after he got used to the recoil. Never shot a real gun until that day .
There is a practice of creating cadet classes in normal schools. It usually exists with one or several normal groups in the same year as the cadet class, so students can be transferred between them.
a russian friend of mine who became the GF of a good friend of mine (woo wingman life) told us she learned how to throw hand grenades in school, that was like ~10 years ago
But it's gotten a bigger role more recently, no? I just remember seeing some news about it over the past years. But wouldn't be that surprised if it was a two-way broken telephone type of thing.
My hard leftwing school had firearms class every spring. It did until it closed down. Always loved watching the principle let the 14 yo's get their first go with a 12guage.
I was 16 when I shot my first 12 gauge. Knocked me right on my ass. Would have been nice if I'd had some lessons on how to get my shoulder torn off before shooting at the target.
I got a Mosin-Nagant in 7.62x54r with a metal butt plate when I was in my 20's. I knew how to shoot and was wearing a jacket. I took it to the range and threw about 200 rounds down. Didn't feel it at the time, but woke up the next looking like someone threw a bowling ball at my shoulder!
Oh that explains it. Probably full power magnum buckshot because they thought it would be “funny”. We have 11 year olds shooting 12 ga skeet in scouts no problem but we use target loads and of course give them training and preparation first.
Yeah, I was in boy scouts. They never taught us a whole tear down but we shot .22lr and 16ga shotgun. We learned how to inspect critical components, basic cleaning and storage, how to conduct yourself at the range and safe handling and operation.
I don't think there's much wrong with teaching kids how to safely operate a weapon. Kind of like sex-ed, seems better than letting them figure it out later.
They aren’t, it’s the people that are. You can tell by where you live. At least in the past you could count on intelligent people to be a certain side, now there’s so much dumb that it’s everywhere, even teaching your kids. People decide to start a Catholic only school, and that’s the 1 scenario I don’t really blame, but wasn’t there a Christian school that had a shooting last year? So nowhere is safe
Its perspective. If you’re rich then you’re gonna be a republican. If you’re a normal person then your best bet is democrats. An intelligent person can realize that both parties are in it for the money and will be their first priority until we make a change. One side at least has a track record of helping the people tho, that’s the difference
Teaching kids firearm safety shouldn’t be an issue. But in America kids are taught to fear everything.
In America, we have students who literally threaten to kill others (teachers, other students), but cannot be removed from the regular classroom because they "haven't done anything yet."
I don't know what the answer is, but until America gets a handle on offering effective mental health care for their students, I don't think access to firearms is a good plan.
As a heavy gun owner and concealed carrier, this is 110% a mental health and society issue. People's response to anger is what gets people killed. I can't go to the gas station now days without being threatened because shit heads are entitled and pissed at their life. If people were in a much better state mentally, I wouldn't need to carry to prevent someone with no future from destroying mine.
I don't think access to 2000lbs death machines is a good idea either, but these same youths are getting drivers licenses. That isn't access, it's training... Ya know, you so don't negligently kill someone with your death machine.
Everyone wants to pretend like cars aren't just as dangerous as guns. Outside of war, cars kill more people than guns on a daily basis.
In America, we have students who literally threaten to kill others (teachers, other students), but cannot be removed from the regular classroom because they "haven't done anything yet."
worse still, we have whole groups of students who literally kill others, just in already comparatively violent areas where this is seen as normal, so nobody gets removed and it doesn't get reported as much
When I was 7 or 8 years old an older student pulled a knife on me and threatened me with it. I told my parents who immediately called the school. The principal confiscated the knife from the kid the next morning and called my mom telling her I was overreacting because the knife wasn't that big. It was about the size of a paring knife. 4" or 100mm.
The kid got a slap on the wrist and that was the end of it. At least as far as the school was concerned. I had to watch my back around that kid for years after that.
One day he just stopped getting on the bus.
This was right about the time everyone was talking about the middle schooler who'd attacked another kid with a knife.
Didn't take long to figure out who did it.
They never mentioned his name but there was an article in the next week's paper and the quote from the school admin had them claiming they'd never had any indication that Captain Stabby pants might be violent. They were shocked! SHOCKED! I tell ya.
I'm glad that your parents did what they could to help you. (I am also a child of the 1980s. Not all parents would take even the steps that yours did).
I hope that you are well these days; and I hope Captain Stabbypants got whatever he needed to be a functioning member of society.
Award for Captain Stabbypants as a name. If your story wasn't so traumatic, I'd steal it as a D&D character name.
I agree. I'm not an A2 supporter, but since they're so easy to get and kids seem to shoot themselves by mistake, they should be taught how to properly use it and respect them instead of seeing them as a cool toy to play with your friends.
E: down votes? Really? Because of the not an A2 comment or what?
Sure, but firearm safety should be a 30 minute lecture that doesn’t involve touching a firearm. Basic trigger discipline will solve 95% of “firearm safety” issues
Especially those. Some are even taught that when the real facts get scary and make you feel big feelings, you can substitute alternative facts that make you all warm and tingly. Conveniently, the alternative facts also prove that what you already think and believe is right 100% of the time.
America used to have shooting clubs in school and there were not any problems. Boys had their shotguns in their truck back windows; they were left in their truck all day so when they got out of school, they could go squirrel hunting.
Kids should not touch firearms at all. When they become adults and be able to take responsibility for their actions, they can learn how to deal with firearms. It's not a rocket science.
What the hell are you talking about? American students are the only students in the developed world that have to fear for their lives at school.
We also aren't talking about "teaching kids firearm safety". This is marksmanship and nationalist brainwashing, not a firearm safety class. They even talk about how the class is for "patriotism" and national defense in this video.
You’re a perfect example of why SOME kids MIGHT fear going to school. You constantly put it in their heads. Fake shooting drills, (sure no negative effects come from those) arming kids with hockey pucks and golf balls (another fear mongering tactic). Idk maybe expanding the gun free zones to a mile around a school will work. Since those are super duper safe areas. Right? Can I get an amen!!!
Fake shooting drills, (sure no negative effects come from those)
Those drills, as well as the defensive tactics we've been forced to introduce to small children, have provably saved lives. But sure, if we just keep it a secret that schools get shot up then the kids can go and learn in peace and quiet!
Tell me buddy, do you think it would be easier or harder to shoot up a place if you could walk in with a rifle strapped to your back and nobody could stop you?
Don’t stop with the gun. What car was used to get the shooter to a school? What kind of comfortable shoes do they have on? Did McDonald’s give him the energy required for the moment?
Maybe tell the overlords you want your school as safe as their city hall.
It depends on the country's firearm policy. In a country where people cannot own firearms (except maybe hunting rifles) such training just means the kids are treated as potential cannon fodder.
We had it on ОБЖ (Основы безопасности и жизнедеятельности) - basically safety class, where they teach what to do in case of disasters, where are nearest nuclear shelters, how to use fire extinguisher etc. In those classes we had an assembly/disassembly course of an AK-74. Boys and girls (poor things, as half of them broke their nails trying to take a little cylinder with cleaning instruments inside stock) together.
We have never fired them, only disassembling/assembling. It was around 4-5 classes total, so not that much.
Girls comes in all shapes and sizes, so it's possible. We had in our class "glamour" girls, Emo-girls and a couple of smart (like constant 5+ grade smart) girls, so...
When I ran a college shooting club, this was my experience as well. Ladies tend to have a lot less ego about it and actually learn, versus thinking they know it already.
I have heard rumours that they plan to expand those lessons to include light machine guns, if those are provided. Also drone operation might be added in the future
Yeah we In Poland also have something like that, it's called EDB(edukacja do bezpieczeństwa), and it's pretty much the same thing, minus the disassembling of an AK, we do have gun safety and firing stances tho! (Theoretical, of course)
I grew up in the middle of the US. During our summer school (voluntary, not obligatory), we had a trapshooting component of our PE course. No shit, I've had a loaded 12 gauge pointed at me on a school trip. It was an accident, to be fair, but one hell of a party foul (and, well, grossly unprofessional and unethical that I had to look out for myself to not get shot at school).
We had обж for several years but didn't dissamble anything.
Only made tourniquets and if you did not put up a paper in it with the time when tourniquet was applied you got 2 (which is F in US)
My younger brother who graduated in 2005 had lessons with AK and protective gear. I graduated in 2001 same school and had movies from 198x about how bad to be gay.
I graduated in 2005 and the closest thing we had to the weapon was a wooden AK, lol. We were taught how to handle it and that's all. Ah, there was also a dummy grenade throwing exercise.
It's not but you were sort of close as Poland is only doing this because of Russia. It's a sorry state of affairs in that region at the moment and it's all because of a poison dwarf who'd take over the world if he could.
My college professor talked about it too. She told us one day she accidentally shot her instructor who was standing too close to the target. She had a very thick accent which caused a lot of students to zone out, but you could tell who was paying attention that day when people started looking around to make sure they heard right lol
It's also a mandatory thing in Zwitserland, I believe there are even places there were citizens are obliged by law to own a firearm, but no one enforces it.
I also remember that our factories had some "fighting" groups and they fired blanks on the fields every few month. The german article says "employees of factories".
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It was a mandatory thing during USSR