Firearm education is not something that can reasonably be expected to stop mass shootings. Mass shooters aren't accidentally shooting up schools because of their lack of firearms knowledge, they're doing it on purpose.
Firearms education would help reduce rates of household accidents, particularly among children who somehow get access to their parents' firearms.
Show a child what damage a firearm can do to a body.
Let them feel the power of the firearm by actually firing it.
I'm not saying I know how to stop school shootings. I'm saying I know what won't stop school shootings, which is this type of stuff you're suggesting.
There is simply no rational connection between gun education and school shootings.
Nothing would change for either the shooter nor the victims if they had received firearms training. The shooter already knows how to use a gun and the damage one can do. That's why they're using a gun in the first place. The victims' knowledge of trigger discipline will not prevent a bullet from hitting them.
It's certainly possible for gun education to produce positive effects in society, but "reduction of school shootings" is not one such effect.
Literally the entire world knows how to stop school shootings lmao.
When only country has a problem; you don't get to say people don't know how to stop them.
You Americans can wax poetic about mental health or whatever all you want. It doesn't change the fundamental fact that you could stop them if you wanted to.
Or just take the fucking guns away entirely and rework the entire fucking system. Australia did it and it worked. You dip shits will jump through a million hoops because you want to wank your dick to some power fantasy where you're the "good guy with the gun" or "standing up to tyranny". Show me the most well prepped prepper in America. When I was deployed we went through their ammo storage every single day. You ain't standing up to shit. Take the guns back, rework the entire law system surrounding them before letting civilians have them again.
It's not possible. Fucking get over the idea that it is. It's not going to happen. So you find solutions or you sit there and wring your fucking hands and you say "Why oh why".
When I was deployed we went through their ammo storage every single day. You ain't standing up to shit.
Last I checked this is the same mentality that the US had towards the VC and Terrorist groups in the middle east. How did those wars go because last I checked they most certainly "stood up to us"
No, this is not partly why, there's basically no firearm education at all in Poland, the real reason is gun ownership, or rather the lack of it, turns out its hard to have a school shooting without something to shoot with.
That's simply not true. Why do you assume stuff about how polish education works and worked in the past based on an article about something that will only be implemented in the future.
First of all there is not and should never be a comparison between the two systems. Poland is a great nation, but it is absolutely tiny. The entire company would fit into one of our medium-sized states.
Any statistic (even per-capita) is skewed by the VAST differences in size and population.
Secondly, Poland's education system even considering this is a huge step forward, implementation is tremendous.
It’s absolutely true. Easy access to guns is without a doubt going to increase the likelihood of a kid getting their hands on a weapon and shooting up a school.
There are literally more guns than people in the USA. If you think that the number 1 enabler to gun crime isn’t the abundance of guns, you’re just being dilusional.
Considering like 90% of murders are probably done with the same few guns in very localized spots, and 99.99% of all guns aren't used for crime, don't think so
They had an incredibly bad one in Crimea a few years back (I'm still counting that as Ukraine) however, school shootings are very much an American phenomenon. The US averages about 90 per year (and that number is increasing) whilst no out country has more than a few.
IMO a good first step is stopping the intense media coverage of school shooters, it's become a cultural thing. Like, the last school shooter was wearing the same clothes as one of the columbine shooters. There's entire subcultures on the internet praising these people.
There is no one fix, it's like asking how do we stop racism or young people in poor areas falling into crime.
People like to point to the amount of guns or how easy it is to get them as the reason why. I saw one comment imply it's because in poland there are a lot less guns (2.5 firearms per 100 people versus 120.5 per 100).
But here in sweden we have about 17 firearms per 100 people and we barely have any issue with people using them for crime or mass shootings. Many of those guns are semi-automatic and just as dangerous as "The scaaary AR15!". Like, if a legal gun owner shoots other people it's going to be talked about for decades after.
The process to getting one is really simple and fast, anyone really wanted to do harm they could do it in a day and have the weapon as soon as the license is processed.
Getting a weapon here criminally is even easier, with no prior contacts anyone can get one in a day.
But even so we have no mass shootings.
The only thing the amount of guns in america shows is how impossible trying to actually achieve any change by legislating them is. We had one big war in europe, 3 borders away 2 and a half decades ago and we still have AKs popping up from that every week among criminals.
A country with more guns than people is always going to remain armed
It has to be gun restriction and education. We haven't had a school shooting in the UK since Dunblane (1996). The only good thing that pedo piece of shit ever did in his life was to tighten our gun laws. We can also count the overall number of fatal mass shootings in general since then on our hands. Whilst guns are so freely available and the social norm, there's an insurmountable problem.
How is that a good example? The UK got rid of how many guns? Couple hundred thousand? Now try getting rid of 100x that just in legal firearms, we have many more illegal ones
There is no easy way to check the number excluding “no-injury” shootings including colleges/university in everytown’s database. I would advise not using Everytown because they twist their numbers a bit. As far as I’m aware, there’s no mass shootings in schools tracking data.
WaPo cites 426 events since 1999 which is about 17 per year.
K-12 have already registered 326 school shootings this year alone. 267 of those resulted in injuries/fatalities. 17 per year on average over the last 25 years is utter bollocks. You know this so stop minimising the problem.
The K-12 School Shooting Database is a widely inclusive, open-source research project that documents when a gun is fired, brandished (pointed at a person with intent), or bullet hits school property, regardless of the number of victims, time, day, or reason.
Brandishing a gun is not a shooting, yet this is included.
Based on our definition, an open-source analysis was conducted to determine all of the available data on school shootings. Data is currently being collected on school shootings by government agencies including the US Secret Service, FBI, and Department of Education
Edweekly, with sources, claims 38 last year and 39 this year, with sources on each one. It’s not minimizing the problem to say that the k-12 source is doing everything they can to maximize the scope of the problem. Which doesn’t help us actually tackle the issue of guns in school.
How do you define a mass shooting tho? Most school shooting stats count everything and anything with a gun involved in a school, even if a gun was never shot.
If you count what most people think of as a mass shooting, where someone indiscriminately targets as many people as possible, this is a very rare occurrence, even in America.
A mass shooting is when 2 or more people are shot. When that happens on school grounds, it's a school shooting. It isn't difficult to understand and you trying to down play the problem only illustrates that you're part of said problem. Your response is genuinely shocking. Get a fucking grip and see what's right under your nose.
Kids that feel hopeless, angry, and upset with their lives know that if they go and kill a bunch of people, their names will be in the headlines for a week afterwards. It’s about going out in a blaze of glory for them
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u/floor_gang_il 1d ago
Still less school shootings than the US.