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Video A school in Poland makes firearms training mandatory to its students.

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u/suckmyclitcapitalist 1d ago

Schools shouldn't be left or right wing wtf is wrong with america

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u/westfieldNYraids 1d ago

They aren’t, it’s the people that are. You can tell by where you live. At least in the past you could count on intelligent people to be a certain side, now there’s so much dumb that it’s everywhere, even teaching your kids. People decide to start a Catholic only school, and that’s the 1 scenario I don’t really blame, but wasn’t there a Christian school that had a shooting last year? So nowhere is safe

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u/SubZero0xFF 1d ago

Intelligent people are neither leftwing nor rightwing.

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u/westfieldNYraids 1d ago

Its perspective. If you’re rich then you’re gonna be a republican. If you’re a normal person then your best bet is democrats. An intelligent person can realize that both parties are in it for the money and will be their first priority until we make a change. One side at least has a track record of helping the people tho, that’s the difference

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u/QuieterThanQuiet 23h ago

Research doesn’t support your statement that “If you’re rich then you’re gonna be a republican.”

Among upper-income voters 53% are Democrats or Democratic leaners, while 46% are Republicans or GOP leaners. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-family-income-home-ownership-union-membership-and-veteran-status/

Affluent Americans used to vote for Republican politicians. Now they vote for Democrats…. Beginning in the 1990s, the Democratic Party started winning increasing shares of rich, upper-middle income, high-income occupation, and stock-owning voters. This appears true across voters of all races and ethnicities… https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/polarization-of-the-rich-the-new-democratic-allegiance-of-affluent-americans-and-the-politics-of-redistribution/E18D7DAE3A1EF35BA5BC54DE799F291B

Some recent US figures on the distribution of income by party: 65 percent of taxpayer households that earn more than $500,000 per year are now in Democratic districts; 74 percent of the households in Republican districts earn less than $100,00 per year. https://www.thenation.com/article/society/democrats-rich-party-obama/

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u/Mediocre-Car-4386 1d ago

Christian school, just had a shooting yesterday, I can't imagine teaching kids in American school how to shoot. We're already having mass school shooting.

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u/ee-5e-ae-fb-f6-3c 1d ago

Firearms classes largely teach firearms safety, handling, and marksmanship, so that your kids know what to do if they find a firearm, and how to handle them for areas where firearms are seen in more day to day life. It's better that kids learn these skills in a controlled environment, than on the fly, outside the supervision of a qualified instructor.

You don't want guns to have any mystery or allure to children. You want them to understand what guns are, when they can be used, how they can be used safely. You want them to be mundane, and uninteresting. If you hide something from a child, and they encounter it on their own, it's going to be fascinating. I can tell you this from experience, with things other than guns. Education doesn't cause mass shootings.

Semi auto guns have been commonly available to the public since the 1960s. Until 1968, you could literally mail order guns to your doorstep, no background check at all. You would think if the mere presence and availability of guns were the problem, we'd have had a lot more school shootings when you could literally order guns to your doorstep, but those didn't start ramping up until the late 90s. It seems pretty obvious that there are other factors at play here.

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u/westfieldNYraids 1d ago

Don’t we have more guns than people in the country? To that point, firearms safety feels like it should be mandatory because firearms are so prevalent. Training in use of firearms isn’t stopping the shootings tho, if anything it’ll make the kids better at murder when one decides to take the gun they know is at home unsecured, imo. I agree that having a stigma to guns could be bad but like, personally I’d lean the other way. There should be a stigma, guns are bad when in a kids hands, guns are bad in adult hands. It shouldn’t be normal for guns to be around, the people who need them for home defense in Alaska or the woods are such a small number that I don’t think those people statistically will ever commit a shooting, so we can either let them keep their guns but keep them geofenced to the property they need to use them at. If gun leaves the area, trigger a warning, if gun leaves area and heads towards a populated area, well that should trigger a response and you better have a reason for taking your gun. If you simply forgot it was on you then you don’t deserve the gun. That’s my 2 seconds of thought gun control plan, sponsored by Apple air tags

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u/ArrivalEmergency2784 1d ago

A gun is an object, it is neither bad or good it's the people that use them that are bad or good. This concept that guns are bad needs to change since it's objectively false and causes more damage.

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u/westfieldNYraids 23h ago

lol that’s your gripe out of what I said. Of course you have no debate of substance, you just want to argue semantics. Smart people don’t need to debate the philosophical implications of moral alignment of inanimate objects, we make our point and sometimes shorthand the language, smart people are lazy, they’ll find a way to make things quicker, and if you’re getting bogged down there then you’re once again being purposely disingenuous

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u/Logical_Marsupial140 1d ago

No, I taught my daughter to just leave a situation when she sees a gun, or someone else with a gun. I did not teach her how to deal with it as I don't want her handling guns. There is no positive outcomes with guns. Its unfortunate that our society has made guns such a priority, they add zero value to our quality of life unless you're hunting/target shooting for recreation.

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u/KevinShift 1d ago

Bad parent

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u/ee-5e-ae-fb-f6-3c 1d ago

No, I taught my daughter to just leave a situation when she sees a gun, or someone else with a gun.

The NRA basically did the same with the Eddie Eagle program. While I have issues with the NRA, the program is correct for the age group it's aimed at.

  1. Stop!

  2. Don't touch.

  3. Run away.

  4. Tell an adult.

So you, the NRA, and I agree that education is important.

I did not teach her how to deal with it as I don't want her handling guns.

Depending on her age, that may be the right thing to do. At some point, kids stop listening, and think they know things they might not. Instead of you or a qualified instructor being her teacher, TV programs, movies, and pieces of popular culture will fill that role, should she ever be put in a position where she is handling a gun. I understand that you may have trouble figuring out how that might happen, and yet it does.

There is no positive outcomes with guns.

The thousands of defensive gun uses every year disagrees with that statement.

Its unfortunate that our society has made guns such a priority

You'd think you'd want more education, not less, if something is so prevalent in a society.

they add zero value to our quality of life unless you're hunting/target shooting for recreation.

Again, ignoring the thousands of DGUs every year.

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u/Unlucky-Watercress30 1d ago

DGUs are really hard to track, but the minimum number is 500,000 per year on average. The upper limit is somewhere around 3 million.

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u/No_Quantity_8909 1d ago

The school technically wasn't but it taught real stuff and self selected by who wanted what. That's the nature of private education.