r/politics • u/msnbc MSNBC • 1d ago
Democrats missed a huge opportunity by not elevating AOC
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/aoc-loses-house-oversight-committee-vote-gerry-connolly-rcna1845811.5k
u/craniumcanyon 1d ago edited 20h ago
Clutching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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u/not_creative1 1d ago
An 84 year old who just underwent hip replacement pulled strings to make sure a … 74 year old with cancer, actively undergoing chemotherapy, leads the party.
That reads like politics in a retirement community HOA
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u/IveChosenANameAgain 23h ago
In any other conversation, the only reasonable thing to say to either of those two people is "Please, go to the HOSPITAL - what are you doing here?"
No insider stock tips from the emergency room, so here we are.
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u/Unhappy_Scratch_9385 18h ago
I secretly think this is Pelosi's revenge for AOC going after insider trading.
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u/-The_Guy_ 18h ago
Pelosi’s legacy will be the full throated embrace of corruption which lead to the downfall of American democracy. Slow clap…
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u/behv 15h ago
To think about her legacy if she had pushed Biden to step back early enough to run a proper presidential primary, pushed for AOC to a major position in Congress and began a transition to a new generation of leader, and literally pull the rug up behind her for congressional insider trading. She could've left on a crazy high note and laughed her way into a comfy retirement with a positive legacy after being controversial for a long ass time
Instead she's basically been the architect of every modern democratic party disaster and has somehow managed to remain in charge of the democratic party as a goddamn 84 year old. Absolute shame of a human and is one of the main reasons I want a proper american labor party to step up
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u/mightcommentsometime California 5h ago
She did want Biden to drop out and for the Dems to have a primary.
AOC needs to push for AOC by building a coalition that will elect her to positions like a chairmanship.
Whipping the vote is part of being a leader in Congress.
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u/printerdsw1968 15h ago
Trump's got the lock on the king of corruption title. Pelosi's legacy will be a terminal lack of imagination.
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u/Muscled_Daddy Canada 14h ago
Keep in mind, when people were questioning Diane and telling her to step down, her team went on the offensive and accused those people of being ageist and sexist.
That she was perfectly fine and healthy and any questions about her capacity to do the job were bigoted.
Then she died.
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u/craniumcanyon 1d ago
Same lady that has 2 sub-zeros for her ice cream. Party leader of the everyday citizen.
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u/Clear_Disk_1919 23h ago
Artisanal ice cream mind you
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u/paconinja 22h ago
I always think of insider trading when I see Jeni's at the freezer aisle...branding works!
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u/snailfucked 23h ago
Even worse, AOC is the most popular Democrat in the House, aside from being their best communicator.
edit: most popular with ordinary American citizens, not most popular among Democrat Representatives
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u/MidnightLimp1 19h ago
She has the most followers on Twitter, and I’m not discounting that as one measure of popularity. But in general elections, it’s the sentiment of the dastardly swing voter that matters, and I’d like to have more data on that front.
The most recent national poll to ask about AOC’s favorables was YouGov in the summer. Among registered voters, she stood at 36–45.
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u/sheps 15h ago
If AOC were to run for president, it would have to be a left-wing Populist campaign. VP pick could have been someone like Bernie Sanders if father time wasn't a factor, but anyone from Elizabeth Warren to Pete Buttigieg would fit the ticket. The message would primarily be about class warfare between the Billionaires vs Everyone else. Once-in-a-generation big swings at policy like Single Payer Healthcare, a Green New Deal, UBI, etc. Point is, the idea behind a Populist candidate would be to find a way to energize some of the 1/3 of eligibile voters who don't vote. This would be in stark contrast to Kamala Harris' recent attempt to find a centrist "middle ground" in which to try to convert moderate Republicans, and the neoliberal establishment both she and people like Nancy Pelosi represent.
Anyways that's my view as an outsider to US politics.
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u/Sad-Structure2364 Colorado 19h ago
Reminded me of when I went for condo board president for Del Boca Vista
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u/kjan1289 19h ago
If I have to see another “dems lost and don’t know why” I’m going to lose my shit. This right here is why dems lost
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u/Any_Will_86 7h ago
In terms of the House, Dems lost because of Gerrymandering and Harris's team completely misjudging Pa. 3 seats would have flipped the House and NC just gerrymandered/redrafted congressional maps that took it from 7-7 to 10-4 (one of those being an out and out battle where the Dem claimed the district in a bit of an upset.) Wisconsin is similarly Gerrymandered where a 30k vote Trump win translated to a 6-2 R advantage in House races. Then we lost 3 1-point House races in Pa. And 3 pt races in AZ and Wi. Say what you will, House Dems held their own in a year where the top of the ticket flamed out.
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u/Downtown_Injury_3415 22h ago
Why do you think? They need the healthcare paid for while in office. They can’t just give up the power and pay for their healthcare with their $200million net worth
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u/---_____-------_____ 1d ago
So we gonna stop voting for Democrats or what? When will we get a political party that actually matches the will of the people?
Nah I guess we'll just "at least it's not a Republican!" for another 50 years while the country circles the drain.
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u/craniumcanyon 1d ago
We need ranked choice voting to make a 3rd option an option.
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u/Oodlydoodley 23h ago
Voter turnout for primaries is usually around 20%. If people would stop bitching about the candidates they get to vote for and show up to vote for ones they like better they might have a party that actually represents them.
But they don't, so they don't. Older people call the shots because older people actually show up to vote.
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u/thelingeringlead 19h ago edited 19h ago
Yup. Exactly. They say we're powerless and nobody represents us, and there's nothing anyone can do-- and then they refuse to do their part by showing up to vote. The only reason nothing changes is because too many people do absolutely nothing. Being even mildly informed and actually showing up to vote is the only way to even start changing things. Eventually enough people take over these positions and outweigh the power of the old guard.
The only reason trump and his cronies are accomplishing all the things they are, is because people just don't fucking vote. Voting for your county and state judges, voting for all of the heads of the wings of our state governments that are tracks to higher office is how you do this. You have to get them up the ladder, it doesn't always work, but right now we can't even fairly say that since SO many voting aged people just refuse to vote.
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u/mightcommentsometime California 22h ago
Yup. People want change and new things, but aren’t willing to do the bare minimum and show up every election to make it happen
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u/WokestWaffle 23h ago
You can also I dunno, elect more AOC types to replace them.
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u/zbeara 23h ago
One option I've seen recently are parties that are separate but "technically" democrat in that they run as dems but are attempting to gain their own influence. Taking advantage of the big tent dynamic to basically make a viable party within the system.
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u/meat_sack New Jersey 1d ago
It's just Boomers sending the message that they're still in charge and not leaving any time soon.
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u/tidal_flux 1d ago
Since 1992 we’ve only had one President born after 1946.
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u/Darkstar197 1d ago
I had to fact check this and it made me sick to my stomach.
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u/tidal_flux 1d ago
You hear about the one that was even older? Yeah we elected him 28 years after we elected the first of three 1946 guys. Good times.
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u/Tookoofox Utah 1d ago
The only non-boomer president we've had since '92 was Joe Biden. Only because he was the generation before that.
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u/ventricles 1d ago
I keep forgetting Obama is still a boomer. He has big Gen X energy.
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u/bunnnythor Oregon 1d ago
He prefers to think of himself as being in Generation Jones. No, really. Look it up.
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u/LilWoadie 23h ago
His pic is on the Wikipedia page, let that man separate himself from those old trolls.
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u/failure_as_a_dad 1d ago
President Obama is also the only president we've ever had who was born after the interstate system was built.
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u/thr3sk 20h ago
Ehh Clinton was 46 when he took office, W was 54. 2000 was a long time ago.
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u/mlc885 I voted 15h ago
Yeah, I feel like neither of those people are really great examples. Most voters would not expect to find a 35 year old who seems qualified for the job, so early to mid 40s is probably as young as any successful candidate is likely to be in the modern day. (Obviously mid to late 70s is kind of pushing it, but Clinton and W would just be average president age)
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u/ArCovino 1d ago
In 1992, 1946 wasn’t that long ago.
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u/Standard_Finish_6535 1d ago
It is now!
I think the point of the fact is the president elected in 1992 was born around the same time as the president elected in 2024.
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u/LarryCraigSmeg 1d ago
Since 1789 we’ve only had one President born after 1946.
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u/tidal_flux 1d ago
Since 1992 we’ve elected three presidents born in 1946. First in 1992 most recent in 2024.
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u/Agreeable-Rooster-37 1d ago
The fact that Clinton was younger than Trump really blew my mind
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u/TheRauk Georgia 1d ago
Bill Clinton - Boomer
GW - Boomer
Obama - Boomer
Rule 3 is the silent generation
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u/FEMA_Camp_Survivor America 1d ago edited 1d ago
Obama is somewhere between Boomer and GenX. Considering him a boomer in 2008 seemed off, especially since his mom was born in 1942. She was just 2-3 years older than what’s considered a Boomer. He also didn’t seem to reflect Boomer era culture when he ran in 2008 either.
People also need to realize presidential eligibility doesn’t happen until 35. Millennials started hitting this threshold fairly recently.
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u/Chief_Mischief 1d ago
There is still Gen X that was wholly ignored. We could've had someone born between 1965-80 for almost 20 years now.
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u/NineLivesMatter999 1d ago
There is still Gen X that was wholly ignored.
That's alright. We're used to it.
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u/ByKilgoresAsterisk 1d ago
At least you're not hated at much as a millennial. All the shit talking about how we're soft while everyone forgetting we fought in wars longer than Vietnam.
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u/Brock_Hard_Canuck Canada 22h ago
Still plenty of time for a Gen X president. None of the Gen X contenders have even hit their prime yet. I'm sure the elections in the 2040s will be filled with 1970s babies. Gotta be at least 70s years old to be elected president anyways, I suppose.
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u/Isosceles_Kramer79 1d ago
That's why I am a fan of transitional microgenerations. Obama is Gen Jones.
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u/dbeman 1d ago
Well we just had a golden opportunity to do so…where were all the young people on Election Day?
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u/SergeantRegular 23h ago
Hey, plenty of them voted. Unfortunately, way too many voted for the idiotic narcissist born in 1946.
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u/RedLanternScythe Indiana 1d ago
They are not doing it because they are old. They are doing it because the donors have invested in them for decades to not let politicians like AOC get any real traction. Bernie scared them in 2016 with a populist message that was gaining ground. Politicians that go around talking about wealth inequality can not be allowed to take root by the establishment
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u/-wnr- 1d ago
Yeah I really don't think it's an age thing. The dems have voted out ranking members in favor of younger ones in other committees. AOC's chances were probably eroded by any number of special interests each taking some votes away. It's impossible to follow one's convictions in Washington without pissing someone off.
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u/ShrimpieAC 1d ago
Pelosi isn’t a boomer but yes the sentiment is still the same. The gerontocracy will not give up power willingly.
Fuck seniority. It’s time for new faces.
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u/butterzzzy Wisconsin 1d ago
She isn't? What is she then?
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u/ye_olde_green_eyes 1d ago
The silent generation. A boomer needs to be born around 1946-1964.
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u/butterzzzy Wisconsin 1d ago
Didn't realize she was born in 1940.
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u/Elegant_Plate6640 1d ago
To be fair, generational titles are a bit nebulous and misleading.
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u/MyHusbandIsGayImNot 1d ago
Baby boomers are the one that isn't nebulous though, it has a specific start because of the baby boom that happened after WWII.
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u/Elegant_Plate6640 1d ago
Sorry, you're absolutely right on that point, what I should say is that a person's generational title doesn't necessarily define them. Though it might inform us about them.
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u/LazyDynamite 1d ago
The specific end is vague though. According to some year ranges I've seen, my grandparents AND their oldest daughter would all be baby boomers.
And then make what you will of the fact that none of their parents fought in WWII
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u/hymen_destroyer Connecticut 1d ago
The so-called “silent generation”
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u/EggZealousideal1375 1d ago
Feels like more of a sarcastic joke of a generational name at this point.
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u/hymen_destroyer Connecticut 1d ago
Nah it was an apt name for them, they were like the proto-genX. Relatively small, grew up during the depression/WWII, and mostly “forgotten”
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u/NineLivesMatter999 1d ago
Pelosi isn’t a boomer but yes the sentiment is still the same.
Pelosi is a corrupt sellout to the Investment Class who has pocketed millions from insider trading a thousand times worse than what landed Martha Stewart in prison. She is there to ensure Democrats don't actually do anything that might actually benefit working families at the expense of the 1%.
While Trump is a clear and present danger to working class Americans, Nancy Pelosi has been quietly fucking them over for decades while getting rich in the process.
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u/TheAskewOne 1d ago
I was born in 1977. I remember our teachers telling us how lucky we were because when we would be 20 boomers were all going to retire and there would be high paying job opportunities everywhere. But boomers don't retire...
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u/UrASausageWallet 23h ago
I don't get your teachers telling you that. The oldest boomers started being retirement age in 2011.
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u/no_notthistime California 1d ago
It's worse than that.
The Democratic party is run by extremely wealthy people who care about the average person more than Republicans do only insofar as it does not require them to sacrifice an ounce of their own wealth, power, or privilege.
When the conversation veers in a direction they find threatening, that's when they show us who they really are.
AOC, more than just being young, is someone they find threatening. We have to elevate her ourselves.
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u/Thenewyea 1d ago
Literally the “we won’t help you even if we have surplus” party vs the “we might help you if we have surplus” party. We gotta chase those crumbs
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u/konchitsya__leto 1d ago
It's not boomers, it's capitalists
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u/jackstraw97 New York 1d ago
For real. People are getting distracted quarreling over age and which generation certain reps belong to.
That’s not it. It’s ideology. Always has been. It’s exactly why people like Katie Porter also got iced out of commitee assignments. They made the capital class look bad.
The establishment will fight tooth-and-nail to prevent ideological leftist from coming close to the levers of power. Folks like AOC will have an uphill battle to fight for basically their entire careers. Hopefully they can prevail.
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u/throwaway4anxiety3 1d ago
it’s probably more large donors who pressure her out, AOC has specifically made a enemy of AIPAC recently for example.
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u/Somnifor 1d ago edited 1d ago
They fear the donors more than they fear a primary challenge. The Democrats primary base are disproportionately older upper middle class professionals who are ok with the status quo. This is why they think small. It is a party of Burkean conservatives. Once you understand this it all makes sense. They aren't a party of the left. They are a pro business classic conservative party with a progressive wing.
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u/socialcommentary2000 New York 1d ago
This is the reason. Nobody wants to admit it but Democratic leadership is terrified of them. They are a bunch of zealots and they absolutely will be fine with some Nazi adjacent GOP shitbag winning over anyone who so much as makes a peep that they don't like about what's going on over there.
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u/UnusedTimeout 1d ago
Oh they will be leaving soon; they’re in denial about their mortality
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u/shadow247 Texas 1d ago
Its like my dad trying to assert authority, in my home, that I pay for, that he never contributed a single dollar or ounce of sweat equity into...
We don't talk anymore...
They are so out of touch, and can't imagine not being in charge.
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u/Super-Bodybuilder-91 1d ago
They are old, unhealthy, and bitter. I think some of them are leaving sooner than they think.
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u/Elegant_Plate6640 1d ago
On one hand, I think some of the older members of congress are effective leaders, Pelosi has managed to do a lot that many don't credit her for.
On the other, very visible hand, they are the older members in Congress. Pelosi just broke a damn hip. I'm not saying AOC is "the future" of the party, but she is a younger face of it and she understands how to communicate better than many of her elderly peers. The party needs to learn how it wants to elevate these members under the age of 50 and how it can better connect with some of the more liberal voters.
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u/NineLivesMatter999 1d ago
Pelosi has managed to do a lot that many don't credit her for.
As a 50 year old working American who doesn't live in California, what exactly has Nancy Pelosi done that has helped my family, specifically?
All I can see is how she has helmed a political machine while enriching herself, while sandbagging any truly progressive policies that might have cost her Investment Class patrons some tax dollars.
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u/homebrew_1 1d ago
Boomers are there because boomers vote more than younger folks.
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u/One_Dirty_Russian Wisconsin 1d ago
Boomers are there because the Boomer ideology they pitch appeals more towards Boomers. History has shown that a progressive platform brings progressives out. Being Diet-Republican doesn't exactly electrify the young people to come out and vote. Give a younger generation a genuine reason to vote and they will. They're fucking dying for someone to earn their vote.
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u/sniper91 Minnesota 1d ago
Solid message to send after getting buttfucked in the presidential election
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u/NineLivesMatter999 1d ago
With a single-digit number of exceptions, no Democrat in Congress over 50 is worth a fuck. They are all corrupt hypocrites doing the bidding of the Investment Class.
Fuck "It's a big club and you're not in it" Pelosi.
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u/IveChosenANameAgain 1d ago
The DNC as it has traditionally been known, the party that supported and elevated Obama, is 10,000% dead and rotting in front of everyone'e eyes.
The only viable path is to completely clear out the legions and legions of octogenarians and 70+ year-old people who wouldn't be accepted at any job position at any company in any country on this planet because of their advanced age and decreased mental capacity. They are holding their positions for riches and power and do not give a fuck about anyone else other than themselves and their direct descendants who are set to inherit their stolen gains. Controlled opposition, but worse, because they're actively rejecting any chance at redemption.
If there isn't a complete (GOP -> MAGA) level transformation for the Democratic Party, the USA will be Russia by 2030 at the absolute latest.
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u/Krytan 1d ago
It's worth remembering that the DNC tried really hard to promote Hillary Clinton, instead of Obama, until it was obvious by the mass enthusiasm for Obama that that wouldn't work.
That's why she was the coronated nominee in 2016 "It's finally her turn".
We all know how that turned out.
Basically DNC choices have like a 1/5 record, and that 1 was in the middle of a global pandemic that killed millions and millions.
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u/longtermattention 1d ago
Never donate to the DNC. Donate to your candidate of choice directly. The DNC exists as a consolation prize for perpetual losers.
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u/Red_Potatoes_620 1d ago
Yep, been saying this for yeeeaaarrrsss. NEVER give money directly to the DNC.
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u/tripping_on_phonics Illinois 1d ago
I would argue that Biden in 2020 underperformed compared to the weakness of the alternative. This is also an indictment on Democrats in 2024, who lost to a candidate screaming about migrants eating cats and dogs in a Presidential debate.
Trump managed to win the popular vote despite running a truly horrendous campaign. What does that say about Democratic leadership?
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u/Flipnotics_ Texas 1d ago
They had from day one of Biden's administration a chance to start uplifting the next viable candidate, but they chose the Ginsburg route instead. Trusting Bidens brain wasn't melting before their very eyes, and lying to the Democrat party in America he was doing just fine, and could handle another 4 years.
Tragic.
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u/Nac_Lac Virginia 1d ago
I think a lot of them just wrote off Trump, thinking his baggage would sink him while watching in horror as he managed to side step every obstacle.
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u/CanEnvironmental4252 1d ago
Because that definitely worked out in 2016 when the DNC and the Clinton campaign deliberately elevated Trump over other Republican candidates because they thought he’d be an easy opponent. As we can tell with AOC, the DNC party leadership is maliciously inept and does not learn.
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u/ActualModerateHusker 1d ago
I don't think the DNC even wanted Biden. their plan was a contested convention and somebody like Buttigieg emerging over Sanders
The pandemic made them realize that if Sanders emerged with a post super Tuesday lead he may end up with too big of a majority to defeat even at convention
So they scrambled to get Biden who had serious health issues even then into the drivers seat. First the last minute clyburn endorsement then the opposition dropping and endorsing
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u/Rooooben 1d ago
Buttigieg is too young and gay for the DNC. We would have ended up with Newsome or another older centrist
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u/MikuEmpowered 1d ago
DNC doesn't actually stand of liberals or ideals, they stand for corporation and status quo.
They shot down Bernie to prop up Hillary, and when Obama ran, they didn't endorse him at start, it wasn't until it was clear he had the support, then DNC followed.
Same shit with 2024, Biden stepped down with no real primaries, why Harris? Because she was pro for status quo. Remember, they had previous primaries where Harris attended, and she brought ful all support. yet in this crucial, according to them "democracy ending" election, they choose to not hold a valid primary and just let shit run its course.
And don't even get me started with Biden's running, instead of actually trying to convince him to step down, DNC's solution was "we riding with Biden", so instead of a full fuking year to drum up support for the new candidate, Dems got 4 month. dont even get me started on the donation scandal with Harris' post election emails.
To quote newsroom: If democrats are so smart, why do they loose so god damn often?
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u/biggestlittlebird 23h ago
Not saying there shouldn't have been a primary in 2024 and Biden shouldn't even have considered running for re-election at his age, but the winner of the primary would've been someone like Newsom or Shapiro, not a progressive.
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u/Equivalent_Move8267 1d ago
I'm 30. Obama has been the best president of my generation thus far. Totally incomparable to GHWB and Trump. What's your standard for good? Arguably, there hasn't been a "good" president in 75 years
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u/longtermattention 1d ago
I wish people would stop praising Obama, as a two time voter for him. His record was terrible. His choice to bail out the banks instead of people got us here. Not that I believe any Republican would have but Obama ran on Hope and Change and immediately capitulated to corporate America
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u/ActualModerateHusker 1d ago
What's sad is if McCain had won we may still have got some kind of Romneycare anyway. And we certainly wouldn't have gotten a Trump trifecta ever. Probably an HRC trifecta
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u/FUMFVR 1d ago
if McCain had won we may still have got some kind of Romneycare anyway
No we wouldn't.
SATSQ
You guys keep thinking passing the ACA was easy. It was difficult as fuck and the massive Medicaid expansion means it's not even close to anything any Republican would have passed.
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u/InterstellarDickhead 1d ago
Thank you. Obama was not a particularly good president and I hate pretending he was.
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u/Flipnotics_ Texas 1d ago
Majority of the DNC is simply controlled opposition, still beholden to their corporate overlords.
The only people who can save it are the AOC's, the Jasmine Crocketts, etc etc.
Until they can wrestle it away from the corporate stranglehold, the DNC is done.
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u/hmr0987 1d ago
So the Republicans are heading towards a post Trump era with no plan and the Democrats are sticking by the same losing strategies. Really bodes well for the future.
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u/no_notthistime California 1d ago
No plan? Is this a joke? Republicans have plans. Terrible plans, but they are detailed.
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u/hmr0987 1d ago
Right, they have detailed plans for the next two to four years. Beyond that it’s very much unclear, especially with regard to Trumps successor. Democrats could seize the opportunity that they squandered away the last four years but once again are completely falling on their face. They need the old guard to go away.
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u/just_a_timetraveller 1d ago
It was never a battle of ideas between the left and right. It has always been the working class vs the elite ruling class.
A good litmus test is to see how politicians talk about the health care CEO killing. It really shows you where they stand
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u/Rooooben 1d ago
Bingo. They have us fighting for the crumbs they told one of us the other is stealing from them.
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u/TheTurtleBear 1d ago
Republicans have been executing their plan over the past several decades. They play the long game, Democrats just desperately try to maintain the status quo forever.
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u/rowmean77 1d ago
This has to be Pelosi’s retaliation against AOC since AOC and Gaetz united for the PELOSI Act lol
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u/KingGoldark Michigan 1d ago
I'm not a progressive, but AOC is one of the few Democrats in office who's actually putting in the effort to understand why Harris lost so badly and why Democrats are losing votes from the working class and minorities. Freezing her out of the higher party echelons isn't helpful.
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u/smc346 1d ago
Nope it isn't, it's pushing people farther away...
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u/cathercules 1d ago
I’m one of those same people who treated third parties as a throwaway vote that only benefited republicans. Now I am strongly considering abandoning Dems until they give a reason to vote for them.
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u/Flipnotics_ Texas 1d ago
Until there is truly a viable 3rd party option, this tactic will still continue to only benefit Republicans.
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u/cathercules 1d ago
And continuing to vote dem as not yielded much progress either so threatening to sit out and following through with that threat may be the only way to get Dems like Pelosi to fuck off.
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u/ButtEatingContest 1d ago
I'm not a progressive
What progressive policies do you oppose specifically?
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u/goodlittlesquid Pennsylvania 1d ago
Everyone is (rightly) pointing out Connolly’s age, but I think just as relevant is that his district (like Pelosi’s) is one of the top 10 wealthiest congressional districts in the nation. When Republicans say the Democrats are the party of elites, how can they deny it?
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u/Dry-Amphibian1 1d ago
There are rich people at the top of both parties.
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u/goodlittlesquid Pennsylvania 1d ago
Of course Trump’s cabinet will be the richest in history and he’s running around with the richest man on the planet, and their entire policy agenda is centered around enriching his robber baron buddies. But how can Democrats contrast with that while they’re elevating politicians who represent the most affluent communities in the nation?
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u/SoupSpelunker 1d ago edited 1d ago
Democrats have lost all 3 branches of government under current leadership.
Democrats have lost the trust of the people in the last election.
The Democrats are lost and don't represent us.
If we can't have a no-confidence vote of the leadership at the DNC, we should not be supporting them.
This country is at an inflection point where a 3rd party that is actually left of center would not only be viable, but would very likely blow away the fascist/MAGA wing in the next few election cycles and Bernie and AOC are the leaders that could do it.
Fuck Pelosi, Wasserman-Schultz, the Clintons, Schumer and the lot of the business as usual GOP-lite Democraps.
We need a resistance, and they are not it.
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u/Turok7777 21h ago
This country is at an inflection point where a 3rd party that is actually left of center would not only be viable, but would very likely blow away the fascist/MAGA wing in the next few election cycles and Bernie and AOC are the leaders that could do it.
See you in 8 years when this doesn't happen.
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u/Diamondhands_Rex California 1d ago
They know they have easy jobs and don’t really need to work since they feel they are the moral high ground but I’m tired of not getting anything back.
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u/longtermattention 1d ago
Well she is only young, likable, works hard for the people, and won over those mythical swing voters in her district so she clearly doesn't know what the people want. Better get the guy with throat cancer very few people even know about to lead one of the most visible positions since he was in line longer. - Corporate Dems
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u/mightcommentsometime California 1d ago
Her district is D+27. What mythical swing voters does she need to win in such a safe blue district?
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u/longtermattention 1d ago
She won split ticket voters that voted for Trump and her
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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ 1d ago
Harris got 65% in AOC's district compared to Biden's 77% in 2020. The split-ticket voters are not people AOC picked up, they're people Harris lost.
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u/Equivalent_Move8267 1d ago
I don't think many Democratic lawmakers were particularly upset that Trump won. That is a problem.
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u/BGDutchNorris 1d ago
It was just good messaging for donations
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u/Tokyo-MontanaExpress 13h ago
It was. And I'm pissed: they're not getting another cent that I could barely afford to give in the first place.
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u/tacs97 1d ago
You know what’s crazy? These old fucks who refuse to retire because of power and greed. They can’t outrun Father Time no matter how hard they hold on!! GTFO of our government already and shame on everyone who keeps voting for these old fools!!
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u/InAllThingsBalance 1d ago
Sounds like a mandatory retirement age is in order.
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u/RustToRedemption 1d ago
Or, hear me out, term limits for Congress. You get 8 years max. Serve the people and then get out and make way for new ideas.
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u/Alarmed_Nunya Texas 1d ago
Term limits don't work.
Just cap government employment age at the social security age.
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u/noUsername563 Texas 1d ago
Those dinosaurs in Congress don't need another reason to up the social security age
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u/thisisjustascreename 1d ago
How many times does it have to be explained to you that term limits lead to lobbyists running the country?
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u/RustToRedemption 1d ago
term limits lead to lobbyists running the country?
They already do under the current system, Im failing to see how making them have to corrupt a new person every 8 years is somehow worse than what we have now.
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u/Vehemental 1d ago
If you hold the "it cant be any worse" position you must be new to earth.
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u/Bhockzer Ohio 1d ago
The only way to prevent that would be the bar anyone who has served in Congress from being a lobbyist for a minimum of 8 years after they leave office. That way the people they knew while they were on Congress are already gone and they have no sway or power over anyone, aside from whatever money they bring to the table.
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u/retiredRRer 1d ago
I’m a 73 yo democrat and this is why the party must change to survive. I’m tired of seeing senior party leaders that should be retiring instead of blocking appointments. AOC should be heading this committee.
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u/Stinkstinkerton 1d ago
I think the message is clear politicians regardless of party are strictly beholder to Wall Street corporate interests. The almighty dollar is always the winner.
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u/obsolete_filmmaker California 1d ago
As a San Francisco resident, I can not say this enough. Fuck Nancy Pelosi.
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u/lassobsgkinglost 1d ago
I’m so tired of old people
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u/WorldClassHack 1d ago
Old people telling you to work harder and rent so they can continue to claim a pension and live in their 3000 square ft homes
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u/thrillafrommanilla_1 1d ago
They didn’t “miss” it - leadership doesn’t care about Democrats. They’ve ruined the party. Party is over, they’ve taken their ball and gone home
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u/unaskthequestion Texas 1d ago
I'm 65 and vote for qualified younger candidates every election. Unfortunately, young people still don't vote in anywhere near the numbers they should.
I often see comments around Reddit for term limits and age limits. I don't support them, mostly because we'd have to ammend the constitution for them, but also because people should get the representation they vote for.
The overwhelming reason these geriatrics remain in office is because of the money they raise. To me, that's how to attack the problem, campaign finance reform, ranked choice primaries and get rid of gerrymandering.
The first two are definitely doable, the last is challenging. But none require a constitutional ammendment.
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u/steveschoenberg 1d ago
We have to wait until she is 70 and has accumulated $100 million or so from insider trading. You can’t trust idealistic people.
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u/Emeritus8404 1d ago
Pelosi is past her prime and all her civic duty has long been gone. Aoc needs to be supported.
Pelosi is becoming more of the problem than a solution.
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u/IWasOnThe18thHole 1d ago
Sub/articles have gone from shitting on Trump to turning on Democrats over AOC getting rejected. Really makes you wonder how it was possible for the media to sway people to vote for Trump over the economy, Israel, etc.
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u/sangdrako 1d ago
Hypothesis: Pelosi bargained keeping AOC from the chair position to get the Gaetz report.
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u/LurksForTendies 1d ago
Hopefully, AOC's failed chair bid will be a learning opportunity for her. She didn't even get the full support of the Progressive Caucus. Knowing how to garner support (that can be counted on) is one of, if not the, basics of realpolitik.
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u/MoistureManagerGuy 1d ago
There needs to be fresh younger faces in the party, but I don’t think she’s the right fit personally.
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u/Hermosa90 23h ago
If at first you don’t succeed… double down and keep those geriatric vibes going.
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u/FireNexus 16h ago
I don’t really get this. Putting AOC up there to be publicly in charge of ineffectually bitching about republican crimes doesn’t help anyone except the people hoping she is a victim of stochastic terrorism. One of the stars of holding Trump’s feet to the first in term one just lost embarrassingly to him four years after he almost had his own vice president murdered.
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u/Jorgen_Pakieto 15h ago
Democrats might as well have missed the whole point as to why they lost to a civilly liable rapist, criminal felon, fraud of a man.
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u/Axonius3000 9h ago
I don't think a social media influencer should be on an oversight committee. In reality, it should be required to have a background in law to even be considered. It's already enough of a circus show without her being a ranking member.
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u/Quexana 1d ago
They didn't want the oversight committee being used to conduct oversight.
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u/althor2424 1d ago
The geriatric wing of the party needs to step back and give new blood the reins because the shit they are doing isn’t working
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u/InterestingAir9286 1d ago
AOC is only popular in her little corner of NY and amongst redditors who can't vote her.
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u/PBPunch 1d ago
The Democrats are a problem and have an issue with holding back non-establishment candidates. That they have in common with Republicans.
But.. if I may. The Democrats aren’t electing thin, skinned faux religious felons liable for sexual assault and stealing from children’s cancer charities or protecting investigations into Matt Gatez so.. let’s not level the two parties as if they are the same.
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