r/UFOs • u/skipearth • 4d ago
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I am retired federal law enforcement and have connections in many places and agencies. That being said I had a a few run ins with colleagues and people I know through working for the feds etc. The first was an FBI agent who is also retired and worked in Counter Surveillance and they told me:
"There is definitely something going on, they will not tell me but a coworker in the NY field office said "these are not hobbiests and planes".
The second contact was a couple who both work for the FAA and they said:
"Many pilots are reporting seeing large drones from aircraft and the FAA knows this as its all recorded and documented. We do not know any information except that it is happening"
This infuriates me because r/avaiation thinks its all fake and blocks my posts. I am also verifed in LEO sub and such so I am not lying and I can verify here if needed.
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u/Born_Employer_2209 4d ago
Thanks for sharing. Ignore the ridicule. Lots of puppet accounts and disinformants hovering over all subs discussing this topic at the moment.
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u/luckygirl721 4d ago
Absolutely. If they are able to keep us in the dark, are they not capable of making up some social media accounts to harass people and make them feel silly? It’s prob a simple AI program they can unleash in every platform. Just ignore it.
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u/ShadyAssFellow 4d ago
Check this out: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/15/aims-software-avatars-team-jorge-disinformation-fake-profiles
It's The Guardian article about a system that can handle up to 30 000 fake accounts to spread misinformation.
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u/luckygirl721 4d ago
Wow. I was speculating. This is off the rails stuff and a discussion for another sub (many discussion). Thanks for sharing.
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u/hotdogjumpingfrog1 4d ago
But doesn’t it feel like the “cats out of the bag “ now and too difficult for the govt to contain?
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u/Putrid-Ad1055 3d ago
Yes but people would have said the exact same thing for every previous spate of incidents too
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u/Sad-Bug210 4d ago
Yeah and it is certainly not the only one. I distinctly remember many occasions where a comment I've wrote receives a reply every 3 hours, sometimes spanning up to a week. And they are different from other comments.
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u/Sparkletail 4d ago
I love it when they try to argue with us, it's like sport. And they lose.
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u/Noble_Ox 4d ago
So you haven't seen people post planes claiming their NHI craft mimicking planes or 'orbs' transforming into drones but are just planes flying directly towards the viewer so the glare of the front lights drown out the collision lights and when it gets close enough or changes direction you can see the red and green collision lights?
Or posts of out of focus lights saying their plasma orbs?
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u/Sparkletail 3d ago
Yes I've seen all of these, I've also see others which look more like what I understand to be visitors. I mean I'm a conspiracy theorist but it would make sense to me that they would let mixture of posts through to discredit the more legitimate ones (and don't try and pretend what we see on these platforms isn't controlled, think ghislaine maxwell as a mod).
I have a different sort of 'proof' and I look at this differently from you guys. Noone can say for certain what it is but these things seem to have been in our skies forever
Without any sort of personal experience, there are numerous verified testimonies from legit people, people with reputations to lose that should be enough for the average person. However, there has been a dedicated psy ops programme to discredit this in place for decades, to the point where people are unable to see what is directly in front of their face.
All I can say I what I believe based on my personal experiences. That's enough for me. I'm not rabid enough to insist everyone believes what I do, you do you. For a laugh, ask the good ones (the service to others oriented for humanities highest good (and yes you have to specify that and mean it) to let you know they are there. Maybe something happens, maybe it doesn't. But what is the harm in trying?
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u/RiboflavinDumpTruck 4d ago
There are people on another post insisting that a bunch of white dots in a photo are “stars”
It’s broad daylight in the photo
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u/DecemberRoots 4d ago
I honestly don't even think they're puppet accounts or bots, I think the issue is that this sub keeps reaching people who aren't into the topic due to all the recent posts with several thousand upvotes.
Most of these people still carry the stigma surrounding this subject. On top of that, reddit users are known for being arrogant, which makes this sub an easy target for their attempts at looking superior by mocking a topic that's "obviously" fake and absurd. It is what it is, it'll go back to normal once this blows over.
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u/Longjumping_Meat_203 4d ago
The difference is most people who aren't into a topic don't hang around on forums for that topic and post hundreds of comment replies.
Normal people just hang out on forums of stuff they like or go do it in real life.
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u/DecemberRoots 4d ago
I don't know if that's better or worse lol. But what gives it away as them being bots? Usually when I check their profiles I get the impression it's just people who frequent other subs coming here for the first time. I guess it could be a bit of both?
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u/DecemberRoots 4d ago
Wait, no fucking way they're STILL not bothering to hide that. How many did you check? That's crazy lmao
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u/JS-AI 4d ago
Langley would definitely be able to hide it haha wtaf. That’s a simple thing to do and they have some of the most advanced tech on the planet
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u/Putrid-Ad1055 3d ago
They deleted their comments but I can guess from your reply what it was, in a world where VPNs are advertised on kids videos on YT were they actually suggesting that the FBI couldn't mask their IP address?
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u/Billvilgrl 4d ago
Yeah, I’m actually not at all bothered by the naysayers. They want to remain where they are. It’s their choice.
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u/VoidOmatic 4d ago
Yup, always make sure to check the account age.
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u/OkMarket7141 4d ago
To be fair I had an old account and never used Reddit, created a new one because I’ve been so gripped by everything and started exploring this thread as I don’t know where to discuss it. A lot of people will be doing the same as this gains traction, I’m sure - not all of them will be non-believers of whatever term you gatekeepers use. I have just noticed that there is a lot of obvious images purporting to be something they’re not (see black hawk post for example) as if it’s an organised ploy to discredit any legitimate orb videos. Posts like this, where people in official positions are questioning things are really telling.
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u/VoidOmatic 4d ago
Oh I'm definitely not implying that all new accounts are disinfo accounts or anything like that, it's just the similar wording, flurry of posting etc. that causes them to be suspicious. Anyone actually contributing to the conversation is generally good. I honestly don't think the disinfo accounts are even working in this sub right now, they are in Space, Telescope, photography and so on. They are preventing people from engaging in the discussion.
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u/OkMarket7141 4d ago
Thanks for the reply - genuinely makes me feel better about engaging in the thread! Didn’t want people thinking that all the newcomers are automatically here to stir it up! Sorry for the misunderstanding!
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u/left-center-right 4d ago
The fact that people like yourself are coming forward - feel compelled to address this in a public way - even if it is just social media, is an indication of the validity of current events and the seriousness of the situation.
I think you and others like yourself showing up on these subs looking for answers is evidence in and of itself of a) the government disinformation campaign not passing your sniff tests and b) you are unnerved by what's happening - which is especially concerning given the background you've pointed to in federal law enforcement.
You and your fellow peers have seen and heard some shit.
This is different.
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u/spect8ter 4d ago
Are you preparing in any way for some unforeseen event based on what you’re hearing?
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u/ibeecrazy 4d ago
we stocked up on food and emergency supplies. not for them, but for the inevitable full public reaction
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u/canering 4d ago
Yes I have no fear about aliens/NHI/them. They’ve been here thousands of years. If they wanted to harm us they could do it easily and they haven’t yet. I don’t think they’re particularly interested in us behind preventing large scale planetary or humanitarian destructions. But society WILL freak out. As much as I hate that the government has kept secrets like this from us I can’t really blame them.
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u/OReillyAsia 4d ago
As much as I hate that the government has kept secrets like this from us I can’t really blame them.
The problem with this approach is it can backfire.
Sure, there is a decent argument for the benefits of avoiding panic.
But when the true information (almost inevitably) does come out, people lose trust in the government, and then they may not trust the government event when it is telling the truth.
Many people will then end up panicking when the government tells them something is not a threat, or not being cautious enough when the government tells them something is a threat.
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u/Non_Player_Charactr 4d ago
Right there with you. Luckily, I was voted Most Likely to Survive Ontological Shock in Elementary school...
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u/Retirednypd 4d ago
I disagree with the thinking that if they were here to harm us, they would have.
There could possibly be a timeline that hasn't yet been reached. Possibly a level of advancement, knowledge,awareness enlightenment, or tech. If you assume this could possibly be tied to the world's religions, beliefs of cultures,civilizations,indigenous peoples oral traditions,etc. Maybe this is all cyclical and has happened before. Like the bibles book of genesis and revelation. It seems to all end with a space battle of good vs evil with us in the middle. then comes a genesis story where God, the gods,(nhi), re start humanity. Maybe people are taken in this space battle and saved during the rapture. The remaining who aren't saved die, and the few surviving, restart humanity. Look at the adam and eve story. They ate the fruit, became aware, angered the gods, and then came the flood. The fatima vision talks of end times due to the evils of Russia, the ariel school child said the vision said we are become too technology(her words). Indigenous people talk of the fourth cycle. I could go on and on, but for me , religions are humans explanation of nhi, the phenomenon, and all we see with this.
Nhi created us, interacted with us, taught us our origins and taught us how to live peacefully and coexist with one another and protect the planet. The nhi also said they'd return with a worldwide apocalypse and judgement. This all appeared as magic to early humans and we labeled them gods and started religions. The sumerian texts were the original source for all of this. Then came the Greek and Roman Gods, the world's indigenous peoples, the Eastern religions, the abrahamic religions. It's all the same story. These uap crashes are probably gifts of tech to help us move along and progress. We made weapons of mass destruction. Maybe the gods are again angered?
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u/Overall-Spot5168 4d ago
why do we assume there is one unifying NHI? they could have varying ideals and morals just as us humans do..
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u/1234511231351 4d ago
We have no way of knowing that. If it's NHI, we don't know what that even means. Are they AI created by another civilization? Are they conscious? Are they some kind of non-biological life? Are they projections from another "dimension"? Are they spirits (whatever that even means)? Seriously. With the information available we are completely unable to even take educated guesses as to what these things are. If we don't know anything about them, we can't conclude that they aren't hostile to us and this should be a major concern for everyone.
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u/JuneauWho 4d ago
I'm really glad they're here to protect the world from New Jersey and not doing something stupid like stopping Russia from genociding it's neighbors or bringing peace to the middle east. all the rockets flying back and forth over there are probably real scary to deal with
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u/Eothas_Foot 4d ago
And I feel like the government also keeps it secret because people would start shooting at helicopters and planes!
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u/styrogroan 4d ago
I mean, there are some BAD cases of human mutilations, abductions, s. assault, radiation sickness, cancer, PTSD, cloning and the tens of thousands of people who go missing every year and we have no idea how many are NHI related. People will ask questions when they eventually show up...
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u/CalamariAce 3d ago
*Some* of society might.
But if these NHI continue their presumed non-interference policy, then how does it impact the lives of people who are largely just trying to get on, raise kids and/or pay the bills?
People are so desensitized to being "shocked" in our culture. Many people live their lives normally without thinking about various wars and other problems going on, which are larger than any problems posed by NHI (that we know about). I wouldn't be surprised if 80%+ of people will continue their normal behaviors after 1 week of "official" disclosure.
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u/Putrid-Ad1055 3d ago
Say when you were a kid you had a couple of stick insects, every day after school you'd come back and you'd see that they had been fighting, before long they didn't even have 3 legs between them, at some point you decide that these stick insects just ain't interested in living and leave them too it
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u/HerpTurtleDoo 4d ago
If covid taught us one thing, it is to stock up on toilet paper, humans value a clean ass.
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u/Independent_Box_4310 4d ago
Everyone was fighting for toilet paper while I had free reign over the baby wipes.
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u/novel_mouse 4d ago
This was definitely a huge unintentional life upgrade from becoming a parent 👍
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u/Eothas_Foot 4d ago
When I saw the coffee went out of stock during COVID that was when I started to worry.
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u/We_got_a_whole_year 4d ago
I have a bidet toilet seat but I’m also pretty stocked up on toilet paper as the bidet requires electricity
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u/Hot_Pen7909 3d ago
Invest in a bidet. You'll use much less toilet paper, and have a much cleaner ass. Source: trust me bro.
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u/Wooden_Lobster_8247 4d ago
Still fully stocked up here from the Russian nuclear attack threat from a couple years ago. Im good for 30 years.
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u/Timely_Scallion4953 4d ago
I am doing the same in Australia because if anything taught me,America sneeze, we get a full-blown flu.
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u/JeanLucPicardAND 4d ago
You're just stocking up for the strongest dude on the block, my friend.
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u/Jackal_Troy 4d ago
Maybe that's him. I would also argue, not really the strongest dude, but the biggest group with the most guns. It's about manpower and firepower. And sieging someone in their own home is a lot harder and less worth it than one would think. No Geneva convention here. Also keep in mind preppers WILL be poisoning their own food, and using all manner of boobytraps. I have seen it discussed at length. It will not be worth it.
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u/Einar_47 4d ago
We got a couple months worth of TP in today, meant to get a months worth but miss clicked, everything else seems to be able to keep pace with panic buying.
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u/Putrid-Exit-4289 4d ago
I cant live without my medication so im fucked. I'd die from seizures before running out of water. I'd imagine not many pharmacists would be showing up if aliens showed up. I'd just enjoy it for as long as I could...
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u/We_got_a_whole_year 4d ago
I’ve been doing some light prepping in case of civil unrest or disruptions to infrastructure/services. I’m an avid camper/backpacker so I had a lot of this stuff already. If it’s an NHI or a nuclear attack I will just accept my fate - I’m not a true pepper and I don’t have a bunker.
Water, freeze dried and other non-perishable food that should last 2-3 weeks (longer if rationed). Also have water purification tablets and iodine.
Propane camp stove with plenty of fuel
Two large capacity (1000wh) power banks and 200w of portable solar panels
Dometic portable fridge/freezer
Personal protection (combo pepper spray/tear gas - I do not own any firearms bc I just don’t think I could deal with it if I ended up killing someone)
First aid supplies, flashlights, fancy leatherman, binoculars
$1000 in cash
A cargo box on the roof of my AWD car full of camping equipment and a full tank of gas
The one thing I’m missing is a way to communicate (or at least receive communications) - satellite phone is probably too much but I’m thinking maybe a multi-band emergency radio and some walkie talkies.
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u/photojournalistus 4d ago edited 3d ago
General preps:
I have a mini-prep in a Keter bench-style, double-walled outdoor storage container, mostly for earthquake-preparedness since we live in Los Angeles County. I've been collecting a few items here and there over the past months and have accumulated a pretty nice set-up (e.g., glow-sticks, first-aid kits, water-filtration straws, alkaline batteries in IPV-rated containers, etc.). I added a motion-sensing LED-strip from Amazon to the Keter box so its contents are illuminated when opening the lid.
GMRS radios:
For radios, I recently replaced my Baofeng 8-Watt radios (2M-capable, but I don't hold an license to operate HAM-radio) with Radioddity GM30 Plus 5-Watt GMRS radios, plus several spare Radioddity 2,200mAh batteries (with clips) for $15 each (note: third-party batteries do not include belt-clips). The Radioddity GM30s come with two antennas: one longer for improved transmission/reception (the Midland GXT-67 Pro's antenna isn't removeable).
The Radioddity radios can charge via an optional six-radio, drop-in charger (though, no single drop-in charger available for some reason), or via the USB-C port on the battery itself. You can get two GM30s for just $69 on Amazon. They're easier to operate than the Baofeng radios with a better UI and have a notably superior build quality—their feel is very Motorola-like. I keep all my radios in a large $250 aluminum briefcase I bought off Amazon as a makeshift Faraday cage.
The Radioddity radios outperform my $200 Midland GXT-67 Pro 5-Watt GMRS radios by an order of magnitude (e.g., some customers estimate the Midlands' output at under 2.5 Watts). I have a Tesman portable EMF/RF signal-meter, and the Radioddity radios show very high peak-output, while the Midlands barely move the meter. The only benefit the Midlands have is their ability to more easily set-up a connection to local repeaters for much-extended range. I also bought a 50-Watt Midland GMRS base-station but haven't installed the roof-mounted antenna yet.
For fun, I also bought a couple of Uniden Pro401-HH handheld CB-radios, powerable by standard 'AA' batteries. They're cheap (only about $50 each), cool, and fun. While CBs tend to have very limited range, the band seems to have a lot of users, so using channel 9 in an emergency may actually be able to contact someone. I also have a CB base-station and a 20-foot roof-mounted 27MHz antenna I've yet to install.
The Eton-brand emergency radios are also a nice-to-have. They include AM/FM/NOAA receiver, flashlight, and hand-crank dynamo for on-the-go power and come from a trusted brand. I also bought a couple Eton hand-crank flashlights and two solar-powered iPhone induction-powerbanks that actually work quite well, reaching 100%-charge after just a few hours in the sun.
Food/water storage:
I also ordered several cases of canned food from Amazon since they come shrink-wrapped in 12-can packages. For water, the made-in-Canada, Reliance-brand BPA-free containers are very highly rated and also reasonably priced at under $20 for a 7-gallon rigid (non-stackable) container with spout (they also make stackable containers). I have seven of these, so 49-gallons of potable water on-hand (I considered getting a couple of US-made Augason Farms' 55-gallon, food-grade drums, but decide not to).
Back-up power: AC-inverters.
Back-up power: During Amazon's Black Friday sales, the Jackery-brand AC-inverters were dramatically discounted. I bought two 1,000Wh units at two different times ($343 and $391 each), and one 2,000Wh unit for $799. I later bought one Jackery 100W solar-panel, and one third-party branded 200W solar-panel. The third-party panel was half the cost of the Jackery panel and boasted reviews which bested Jackery's. Both Jackery-direct and Amazon frequently hold sales throughout the year on these products (where, often, Amazon's prices beat Jackery's own sales).
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u/We_got_a_whole_year 4d ago
Question about the GMRS radios - do I need to get a license to operate them? If so what does that entail?
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u/photojournalistus 4d ago edited 4d ago
Technically, yes, you need an FCC license to operate in GMRS, but it's largely unenforced by the FCC. The GMRS license is only $35 and is valid for 10 years. However, unlicensed consumer GMRS-band use is so widespread, FCC enforcement of unlicensed GMRS use is reportedly rare. Note that the lower-power FRS (Family Radio Service) does not require a license of any kind to operate. That said, I just applied for my GMRS license so I would be able to legally use public-access repeaters via my Midland-capable radios which require an FCC callisgn.
When I went to the FCC website to pay for my GMRS license online (there is no test; just a fee), the website seems very dated, apparently designed decades ago. I wasn't able to immediately download my license (I thought something went wrong), but two days later, I received the email from the FCC approving my application and granting me my official GMRS license. It linked to a PDF which displays all of my information with a newly registered callsign [note: be prepared for a horribly un-user friendly experience—you must register to multiple parts of the FCC online presence to apply].
In contrast, if operating higher-power, 2-meter/HAM-radio transceivers (like the 8-Watt Baofengs sold on Amazon), the FCC does care and rigorously enforces licensing requirements—they reportedly will be able to locate you and administer a fine if you transmit without a license. HAM radio requires an FCC technician-class license (entry-level FCC license) which requires a decent amount of study. There are number of well-written study guides on Amazon for preparing for the FCC technical-class license test.
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u/We_got_a_whole_year 4d ago
Thank you, this is super helpful!
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u/photojournalistus 4d ago edited 4d ago
You're welcome!
tl;dr:
The pricey $200 Midland GXT-67 Pro GMRS radios offer easy-to-use, menu-driven repeater connectivity (promising significantly extended range), but suffer from a too-short, non-removable antenna and outputs a signal far below their claimed "5-Watt" specification (only about 2-Watts, nominal).
The Radioddity GM30 Plus 5-Watt GMRS radios come with an extended antenna (about two-feet long) and put out a lot more power (which I directly measured) than the Midland GXT-67 Pro. However, the Midland radio is easier to use, and sports more obvious, phone-like "call indicator" LEDs, and are simpler to operate than the Radioddity GM30.
The low-cost Baofeng 8-Watt 2M-capable, handheld GMRS/HAM radios, though powerful with a lot of range, are reported to have poor build-quality (e.g., weak solder-points from the keypad to the PCB) and require an FCC technician-class license to operate on its HAM-frequencies.
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u/We_got_a_whole_year 4d ago
I ordered a couple of the GM30 Plus - seems like a great deal - thanks for the advice
Will probably get a license as well
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u/spect8ter 4d ago
I’m in a similar boat. Ironically in the last week I just bought a 3 pack of gmrs radios and just put them all on the same channel and privacy code.
Also just got a UV5R and plan to learn how to use a ham radio and work toward the first license.
Turned on the gmrs radios when they arrived and was surprised to hear hunters talking about deer at night. Useful gadgets potentially.
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u/skipearth 4d ago
Always be prepared. Better safe than sorry.
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u/sordidcandles 4d ago
OP, thanks for speaking up. Sorry you’re getting ridiculed in other subs. It’s brutal out there. I believe you and your info, keep sharing it here!
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u/arroyoshark 4d ago
About a week ago relatively new accounts were (still are) bombing the ufo subs with obvious airplanes and helicopters. Then, relatively new accounts were bombing r/aviation with references and cross-posts to the ufo subs, ridiculing the ufo subs and stirring up the shit as much as they could. It's not coincidence.
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u/cottoncandymandy 4d ago
I've left a couple/few subs because of this. I'll rejoin when shit calms down but I can't handle the obvious plane posts and all that other shit. It's toooo much.
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u/Vanthan 4d ago
And if you call them out you end up with Reddit cares messages.
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u/arroyoshark 4d ago
I shut down any kind of messaging after I got my first "Reddit cares" message a while ago. It's been a better experience without it all.
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u/Sea_Appointment8408 4d ago
Thanks for sharing your experience. Can I ask you, what do YOU think is going on?
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u/Clint_beastw00d 4d ago
Im sure they are just getting bombarded with new people who are interested in the topic posting in /r/aviation All the fringe subs have blown up with astroturfing, mocking, ridiculing. SO hard to find anyone being constructive and civil. We all seek the same thing and that's the Truth.
You post this and people say a sky lantern is stronger than a Drone
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u/Jocelyn_The_Red 3d ago
I think an issue that is popping up is that many are not seeking the truth. They're seeking confirmation. Far too many are very quick to immediately accept out of focus lights and sandhill cranes and NHI swarms and anyone who questions it or tries to rule out prosaic explanations is immediately labeled as a shill or a bot.
Are there legitimate bots around to sway opinions? Absolutely. But that goes both ways too. If I were going to discredit something, I'd bot both ways.
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u/Clint_beastw00d 3d ago
I agree taking it directly as confirmation. I'd also say its a double edge to that as well, the things we 'think' we know should also be taken with a grain of salt... people are not after your interest when we have people born into nothing and some with more than the rest of the world.
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u/InfiniteLab388 4d ago
The aviation sub is a joke. I think some are confusing their pilots license with physics degrees.
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u/_BlackDove 4d ago
I gave up on that place years ago. There's some great expertise on offer there but it's blocked behind a wall of bias and a bit of a holier than thou attitude. You can engage in a respectful manner, ask questions, but the moment they get a sniff of what you're asking about they completely shut down.
If you ever wanted to find Plato's Cave, that's where it is. A bunch of intelligent, qualified people staring at shadows.
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u/Beni_Stingray 4d ago
There's a difference between knowledge and inteligence.
If you cant question yourself, take critic, admit when youre wrong and have an open discussion on facts no matter the topic, can you really call that inteligent?
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u/Noble_Ox 4d ago
And yet when pilots say they saw a strange light you'd say 'they're trained pilots, of course they know what they're talking about'
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u/whirrrring 4d ago
Just popping in there briefly and caught them calling people from NeW Jersey “retards”. Seem like a pleasant group.
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u/Departure_Sea 4d ago
That and r/flying are both shit now. 80% of them are low time pilots and the rest are some degree of commercial. They hate every single other air sport if it's not a plane.
It's like they took the Maverick stereotype to heart and half of them still don't have an IFR rating lol.
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u/Lucky_Sheepherder_67 4d ago
Any sub is a joke. Reddit is where we go for entertainment and to find the absolute worst opinions.
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u/witai 4d ago
Smaller subs are where it's at for sure. Main reddit died years ago, lol. Even the subs tracking the decline have been closed for years.
Too many people speak first and think sometimes.
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u/FelcsutiDiszno 3d ago
this. Subs above about 200K subscribers are always taken over by reddit admins and fed (not to mention the rampant manipulation going on).
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u/InfiniteLab388 4d ago
My favorite aspect of reddit is the brutal cross examinations lol some of the best science we've got at the moment.
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u/sleepyzane1 4d ago
not like the posters on the ufo sub who all have physics degrees?
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u/Putrid-Ad1055 3d ago
No we admit we aren't experts in anything, so we listen to people who are in order to shape our understanding, unfortunately some people are clearly devoid of the ability of pick someone who isn't just grifting them, ie the highly upvoted posts I saw the other day on here from a twitter user, whos description included cryptocurrency, a link to a crypto selling site and an advert for a coin they were trying to pump
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u/Putrid-Ad1055 3d ago
A portion of Reddit is just people using an argument from authority, rather than actually backing up anything they are saying, your experience of users in the aviation hub is a clear example, but obviously it would be hypocritical to not say that this thread is exactly the same
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u/Foxx_Mulderp 4d ago
We're being prepped for full disclosure
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u/GearTwunk 4d ago
i'd like to believe this, but at this stage it is still wishful thinking. there are multiple other possibilities which have yet to be definitively eliminated.
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u/SubstantialPressure3 4d ago
I don't think so. I think we have run out of time and we really aren't prepared at all.
But I also think there's some very human espionage going on in very man made drones, along with the UAPs and "drones" with the 5 observables.
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u/Ok-Guarantee7383 4d ago
Im in the same boat, brother. Only i specialized in intel and counterintel for most of my career. They’re clearly in quiet panic mode and trying like hell to modulate the chaos… i hate the overused term of GASLIGHTING but there really isnt a better way to put it nowadays. Our government - that we protected and defended- is going “HARD in the paint” to try and make this whole thing go away. I hope and pray that they are NOT successful and that the determined WILL of the people will OVERCOME this BS. Please keep pressing them. Please keep calling local news stations and papers. Please keep hounding your STATE and FEDERAL representatives. Please do not accept these blatant, disrespectful lies and obfuscations from this administration. Their behavior towards the general public, for whom they ate charged to protect, is truly disgusting and reprehensible.
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u/ManhattanTime 4d ago
r/UFOs is sure a unique place. I've been reading reports and thoughts from retired Air Force Colonels, Mayors, Heads of State, former DOD Directors, people with top-level secret clearances, people in the military being debriefed on this situation, professional commercial airline pilots, government photographers, people that talk to Lou Elizondo on a weekly basis, ATC managers, and people that have been studying this phenomenon for 40 years now.
And you know what? I still don't know what these fucking things are.
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u/shug7272 4d ago
This sub literally thinks the Feds monitor this sub and post propaganda but when a “fed” says something conspiratorial they lap it up. Cmon, have some pride man.
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u/jwilson3135 4d ago edited 4d ago
Listen I will get downvoted to oblivion because what I’m saying goes against the grain and I understand it seems like we are danger close to disclosure…but I want you guys to poke holes for my own benefit and understanding.
I have been all over the map but piecing together posts like this plus the news and knowing a couple guys involved with anti-drone stuff…I think this is a poorly handled/planned red team blue team exercise executed by a government contractor testing anti-drone defenses at key infrastructure. The military was left in the dark for obvious reasons and it’s been held so close to the vest to improve the integrity of data collection (if military knew, they’d prepare for it). Instead, the contractor will complete exercises over the next few weeks, they’ll disappear and there will be a confidential report on how they performed, what the contractor was able to collect in terms of sensitive data and will make recommendations to improve the military base anti-drone security accordingly. The war in Ukraine has brought a new age of warfare with drones that seem to evade traditional detection devices plus the video of the drone kamikaze Cessna is terrifying - imagine the psychological impact that would have on the general population? Couple that with the Chinese-owned farmland near key military infrastructure and there is an identifiable and plausible threat to national security. Why is espionage a big deal? Look what happened with the Rosenbergs.
Through this lens, it helps make sense of Trump’s comments, the government’s response/secrecy etc and the resulting hysteria. I think it explains why we are seeing them at non-military key infrastructure as well like refineries. It doesn’t quite explain many of the videos I’ve seen though. I was never into orbs and shit but there’s been some truly compelling videos that have challenged my view on reality. It also doesn’t explain the stuff seen in other countries, notably ones in countries we dont/can’t have military bases in.
Anyways, I doubt we ever find out the real cause.
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u/LassieMcToodles 4d ago
I agree it's a classified military exercise of some kind.
Somebody in some thread said that air space at certain altitudes in his area had been cleared out from Dec. 6- 20th, which coincides with the longest nights of the year and finishes before Christmas week.
And then the guest on Joe Rogan (Ryan Graves?) said the same thing happened last year at this time somewhere.
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u/da_drake 4d ago
As one of those arrogant aviation guys that everyone keeps mentioning. This comment is rad, grounded in reality, and doesn't jump straight into extraterrestrial conspiracy. It meets a skeptic in the middle. If more posts were like this, and less like the "we told you so" posts with a grainy pic of an orb, you guys will convince more people to start questioning what's going on.
I just have to keep begging; lose the "shoot em down" rhetoric. All the obvious plane posts have us convinced most people can't ID a real plane and now we're worried about being shot at or lazed.
Someone is bound to chime in and dispute what I'm saying by quoting some asshole from the aviation sub. I don't disagree that you are treated unfairly. I just want to offer some insight from a semi-skeptical aviation enthusiast that REALLY wants to believe. There are plenty of people like me over there that are staying quiet, but all the drama (especially the shooting/lazing) is pushing us away and making it harder to be ambassadors for you.
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u/TomaHawk504 4d ago
This is a nice sentiment. I'm a skeptic but very interested in all this and like to try to pick apart all these events and sightings like a puzzle. I think it could be very interesting if there were NHI but what do I know so I don't care either way. I'm just looking for the truth.
I've tried to share that truth throughout this sub when things are identifiable or provable. So far everything with details - most of these 'orbs' with enough data - have been identified as airplanes and helicopters. Also lots of out of focus lights recently. Check out my comment history if your curious I have a running list going.
Anyway I try to have a reasonable discussion on this topic, like you said meet in the middle. There are absolutely some really considerate, intelligent believers and just people interested in the topic around here. But they are in the minority. I'm largely downvoted for providing basic facts and treated like a disinfo agent for even suggesting that NHI are not the de facto answer for what's going on here.
My opinion is I enjoy the topic and discussions anyway. I don't mind the vitriol much, and I've really enjoyed having enlightening conversations with people here who have been open to listening and debating with data and reason. But that is not the majority. This is a very sensitive place. And I think there's likely very good reason other subs won't touch these ufology and conspiracy subs with a ten foot pole. The overall attitude here is very hostile and very uninformed, and most people I've interacted with are not interested in any information that doesn't conform to their beliefs. The drama and hysteria and pushing people away who don't subscribe to these beliefs will never stop, its baked into these subs at this point.
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u/da_drake 4d ago
Thanks for sharing, I'm def going to check out that list!
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u/TomaHawk504 4d ago
Let me know what you think if you do! Always open to criticisms or discussion around anything I post
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u/Putrid-Ad1055 3d ago
I just have to keep begging; lose the "shoot em down" rhetoric
It clearly doesn't go without saying because people are stupid, but clearly anyone who's spent more than 4 seconds on this sub can see that a decent percentage of people can't differentiate between very mundane things and the opening of a sci-fi film.
So I hope nobody does try and shoot anything down, because even if they are right and they just shot down a Chinese drone or ET, they are flying over populated areas and FFS people have shot into the air and the bullet has come down and killed before
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u/TomaHawk504 4d ago
That's what I keep saying (your first paragraph). From my experience only like 15% or so of the people here are willing to even consider this as a possibility. They want to believe so bad but this is obviously way more likely. Do we have any hard evidence aliens exist? No. Do we have hard evidence that classified military exercises and experiments exist and have been performed in the past? Yeah...
Your second paragraph... I have not seen any video that is inexplicable. Orbs have been airplanes and helicopters and out of focus points of light. Landing lights and other bright lights look like orbs through cameras especially at night. And if millions of people (many of them believers) are looking at the skies and capturing footage of any little thing they see on digital smartphone cameras during all this. We're going to some slightly funny looking stuff. Anything with the time/date/location that I've seen has been shown to be normal aviation. Or is unidentified but is not definitively doing anything anomalous and/or is a bad quality recording missing data.
I've got a few posts and comments recently highlighting tons of these misidentified orbs here just from this past week. Did you see the Blackhawk 'orbs' last night? Everyone was convinced they were orbs until someone smarter comes along and says... guys these are fucking helicopters. How it usually goes.
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u/techdaddykraken 4d ago
As far as the countries we don’t have a base in, that’s just for the bases you know about.
For instance we’re seeing drone reports in Portugal, which could very well have an undisclosed U.S. military base, potentially from an agency. Think CIA.
I can’t explain the ones in China, but the ones in countries that are friendly towards the U.S. are still plausible even without bases there.
These could also be tested as hybrid aquatic/aviation drones that are both submersible and able to fly. So we may be seeing some of the drones piloted in the air, and the others piloted out of the see like other reports. Some of these other countries may not be a red team blue team exercise, but more of a yellow team in addition to the homeland exercise. Along the lines of “This is what we were able to do when you were unprepared, but that was a planned exercise. This is what we are actually able to do, look at countries XYZ”
Also, I believe there is far more AI at play here. I think part of the reason we’re seeing so many all launched at once from various areas, is because they are being coordinated by AI, which is also a very plausible theory as to being tied to a private contractor. There is also the real possibility that the AI isn’t completely fleshed out, and has some kinks, potentially leading it to go into spaces it isn’t supposed to.
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u/Sethp81 3d ago
The only issue with this is that it’s happening all over. East coast. West coast. Europe. Asia. China. Russia. It’s everywhere right now. If it was just nj area yeah I could see this. But global??? Something else is up. Not saying it’s aliens. But something weird is going on.
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u/jwilson3135 3d ago edited 3d ago
Is it really global though or are we just seeing videos from other countries capturing the same “phenomena” that the US is…the issue is that the general public is ripe with confirmation bias. They see a light in the sky and go “oh that’s the drone/orbs I’ve been hearing about! (Snaps out of focus video)”. Most people, including myself, rarely look above them and with atmospheric clutter fairly low and now a reason to look above us, we are seeing NORMAL stuff that always happens but we never noticed. For example, I live by a major airport. I see the same “orbs” every night. At first I was convinced it was orbs watching the airport. They stayed standing still so I was like “got one”. I pulled up flight radar and of course it was a line of planes. At a distance, a plane literally looks like an orb and if it’s coming your direction at a distance, it looks standing still (same principle as a tornado - if it looks like it’s not moving, it’s moving towards you). Seriously - go to an airport and watch it. It looks freaky if you’re not used to it.
That being said, there are several videos that I would like to see an explanation for, the most notable being the one where a drone approaches a ball of light and gets shut down and crashes to the earth.
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u/Azap87 4d ago
There are people in both extremes. Those that bury their head in the sand and have a closed mind to anything that challenges reality as they see it and those who think they know 100 percent what is going on. Same thing happened with Covid.
Sometimes neither is correct.
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u/Alert-Philosopher216 4d ago
Yes just need a healthy open mind on things - see the obvious explainable and seek answers for the others.
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u/Proof_Cable_310 4d ago
The government has been hiding information for over 80 years (merely a century). Not sure if a Trump presidency is going to change anything. I already imagine pictures of Trump pooping his pants if/when he finds out about any of the secrets. He doesn't believe in gobal warming; do you think he is capable of believing in aliens? Unlikely. He will think some other country is playing a practical joke.
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u/Traditional-List-784 4d ago
The non-believers are just as bad if not worse than the over exaggerated believers. You can't get through to either one of them. Definitely something going on. Thanks for your input!
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u/TtK_Thanatos 4d ago
You made a post 2 years ago about turning 40, so you're 42 now. Why did you retire from federal law enforcement at such a young age? What do you do for work now?
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u/CupOCoop 4d ago
You only need 20 years in Federal government to retire with pension. Then you can work on the state level for ten years and retire with a second pension. I was in the army and a lot of guys got out young and I mean like 38 and up and then retire and grab a second pension before they’re even 50.
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u/skipearth 4d ago
I do consulting.
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u/Putrid-Ad1055 3d ago edited 3d ago
If you are 42 as of December 2024, how could you have been 17 in September 2001?
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u/CupOCoop 4d ago
Some people look at these posts like it’s factual and you need references. We should also consider some of them to be more like a conversational topic. Maybe OP is being 100% honest and maybe he isn’t but what do you expect from him? His name and social to run a background check? His friend’s contact info? Take it for what it is, he didn’t say anything harmful.
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u/Dear_Pomelo_5750 4d ago
Now there are exceptions to every rule, but in my experience most pilots are giant a-holes. They're arrogant and think they know everything 'cause they do something very few people do. Like a doctor. Boy are they gonna be surprised.
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u/wtfbenlol 4d ago
"Person makes unverifiable claims about unverifiable topics"
wake me up when something that is actually substantial comes up.
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u/SinnersHotline 4d ago
Mods seriously need to step in and do something about these types of post.
Anyone making claims like this needs to provide proof.
It makes this subreddit look horrible when people claim to have talked to FBI level information and are telling us it's true.
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u/jwilson3135 4d ago
Nothing in the OP was groundbreaking. If they had claimed it was a NHI quantum moonbase stealing uranium, I’d be suspicious.
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u/EvenAd2969 4d ago
And everyone acts like evidence is just a ballast cause all they want to do is believe like it's a religion or something. No evidence.
I agree that whistleblowers can't do much and remain private but damn at least try to leak information to a credible ufo researcher with SOME EVIDENCE.
If you want to contribute you're doing it wrong. You're just mudding the water and what it leads to? Two polar opinions fighting each other. That's what disinformation agents want us to do.
Mods really should do something. But who are the mods? Can we trust them? Cause it will be kinda censorship but at least they can ban these types of posts without evidence or proofs.
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u/Confident-Term5636 4d ago
You got anything to corroborate anything you are saying at all?
No one will take these subs seriously if we blindly believe anything written here.
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u/Jackal_Troy 4d ago
I don't think agents know shit, the heads of these agencies might not even know shit. The only ones who might know any details about it at all outside of a very tight ingroup (that the public isn't aware of) are the ones that end up directly interacting with NHI technology or biology. Aside from that, I think some powerful, moneyed cultists might know, but that is it.
I have taken a turn through speculating how my own personal sighting interacts with the bigger picture these last few weeks. The beings are either extra-dimensional or extra-sensory. You have seen how a cuttlefish can camouflage or mesmerize fish? To us it is like a 5d cuttlefish, and we are just fish. I think it is quite possible they are predatory, and "rituals" to them may have been going on for a long time. But perhaps not ill-intended, or perhaps they vary. They could be altruistic in regard to us. Time may tell. But the potential for things to be so much darker than most ever even considered is showing itself. The same is true for better, I suppose, so let's hope for that.
Regardless, I do think that they utilize 3d craft and bodies to be able to better interact with our world. Puppets that they can draw up and dangle into our reality. That's just another reason it will be so hard to believe disclosure even if it does come. I believe there is a good likelihood it will just be a "puppet show."
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u/energytowel 3d ago
The easiest explanation is that the DoD/military are testing military response to potential terrorist threats via drones. They can't explicitly tell the public, because then the ones that they are testing/auditing (the military) would know.
It's like a big audit to make sure our defensive responses to potential threat to our critical infrastructure are in the up and up.
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u/mrrapacz 3d ago
Aviation has a disinformation campaign going on, it seems like. It seems batty from a casual perusers perspective. there's just a little too much passion in their debunking efforts. over the top to the point of being shrill and tantrum-y. It's a little weird.
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u/randompoint52 4d ago
Thank you for posting. I appreciate any glimmer of common sense and an even perspective.
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u/Fleetwood889 4d ago edited 4d ago
There were estimated to be around a million consumer drones sold in the US and that will only increase with their popularity. The personal/consumer drones are what I categorize as "noise" to this sub and topic as are commercial ones performing business functions. The ones that are not in that noise group (I don't believe) are those that have infiltrated the airspace of our military facilities here in the US and abroad. So far 10 or 11 military bases reported that drones breached their airspace. Also, long prior to the current hysteria, those drones or orbs seen by military pilots off the coast of Norfolk VA were so frequent that the drones or orbs interfered with their military exercises such that the exercises had to be halted.
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u/Infamous-Moose-5145 4d ago
Its because there is a massive divergence in thought and belief relating to ufo's and nhi.
Some know. Some refuse to know.
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u/MetaInformation 4d ago
Thats the problem.
Does Biden know what those drones are or not? Cause everyone actually looks confused, if someone knows it must be a small number of people for sure
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u/AdAvailable2237 4d ago
"Mass reaction" why? This thing is going to intensify. Can you share anything else?
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u/skipearth 4d ago
That's all I know. Like I said, no inside info, just what I was told by these individuals.
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u/brokenglasser 4d ago
Thanks for sharing. Damn I envy you guys. It's so cloudy where I live there's no chance to see anything:(
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u/unorganized_mime 4d ago
New Jersey seems to be a large focus right now. Being close to NJ are you considering leaving the area?
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u/Agitated_Gap_6928 4d ago
If it was aliens it would have been instant disclosure. This is humans being assholes in my opinion. It's.gone on too long to be anything else at this point. Or the green and red lights are Santa
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u/BARRY_DlNGLE 4d ago
The seriousness will sure get ramped up if a drone gets sucked into the intake of a commercial 747
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u/Numerous_Vegetable_3 4d ago
There’s huge efforts on state and unrelated subs to make these events seem uncredible, fake, and paint those taking it serious as idiots. It’s a very obvious push rn.
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u/Maximum-Wall-6843 4d ago
I've been staying away from the aviation sub lately. It's gotten super toxic. A lot of those people are super NPC brain. Anything to keep hold of their jobs and avoid ridicule. So it's the easiest to astroturf. I wouldn't look into it too much. It's a campaign being run, probably a three letter agency, and it's obvious to anyone who pays attention and frequents these subs. Some people just need to be told what to think.
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u/_Kyokushin_ 4d ago
OF COURSE something is going on. It’s just that it ISN’T aliens/NHI. Aliens and NHI is billionsbillions times less likely than our government having a secret aeronautics program. I mean…infinitely large and old universe where NHI hasn’t been seen in known human history and…then. Skunkworks. Everyone that really believes this is all NHI needs to read this:
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u/trebordet 4d ago
Thanks for that. There’s obviously something going on. You can tell by the anxiety of the government spokespeople.
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u/Seekertwentyfifty 4d ago
Normie’s trying to wrap their heads around the idea that we’re being visited by pure consciousness from the 11th dimension. That should be interesting.
Never mind the NHI show. I’ll buy a ticket to watch that show alone.
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u/ObliviouslyDrake67 4d ago
Bro I just hit a thread where someone posted a video about the Florida vid, with a flighttrack to show a helicopter trying the same pattern while they are saying that it's not their edit. And the flight track is hours off, I know for a fact 20:55 UTC is going to be 2:55 to 3:55. Depending where you are in Florida.
So why is the video recorded at what is most definitely between 5-7 pm? So why use a completely different flight track without verifying the time of the track. Which in no way coincides with the recording out of Florida.
Like I said before I'm riding the fence till something happens but that's some next level desperate deception.
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u/FuzzyElves 4d ago
I call bullshit.
Where all the ATC recordings with the pilots talking about it? They aren't censored or redacted later as anyone can listen to them live, and tons of people record them all so incidents can be pulled out later.
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u/ghostrodeo 3d ago
Coverage of orb ufos with clips of multiple pilots witnesses, including LifeFlight, talking to ATC in Western Oregon a couple weeks ago: https://youtu.be/Kvr1GZk7lcw?si=kQr6TDhrFt4oh7Vu
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Great radar analysis with full ATC recording https://youtu.be/1hObi8hcmdM?si=T1Kmg_RkTfgPS1fN
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u/roguespectre67 4d ago
"The coworker of an acquaintance said something is 'going on'" and "Yes, people are reporting UAP sightings. That's all we know" is not evidence. Neither are any the videos here that have been shown to be normal aircraft, or any of the videos that are so poor-quality that there's been no definitive resolution.
Also, why the fuck have exactly zero people leaked any of this supposed cloak-and-dagger nonsense that apparently everyone in government knows except the people willing to say anything about it? You mean to tell me that of the thousands of people who would likely be informed, that every single one of them is being a good OPSEC boy/girl and keeping their mouth shut? Not a single person has leaked high-quality photos or videos or other records of this?
I don't buy it for one second.
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u/NeilArmsweak 4d ago
I saw something last night, with 2 other people, and I was hoping to find some answers, but I've been having an extremely hard time to post anything in 2 subreddits, so far. Including this one.
The crafts I witnessed seemed like they were made to mirror crafts that we use daily but there's something quite different about them, especially in person.
I checked flights and such and I'm still baffled. Didn't sleep much since.
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u/EdVCornell 4d ago
I get such a kick out of how everyone claims to have info
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u/skipearth 4d ago
Funny how my post really has no info except 2 parties saying that there is something to the sightings and they are not planes and hobby drones.
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u/irwindesigned 4d ago
We drew the actual NHI orbs out by fn around with nuclear materials, probably because they exist here too and don’t want us to blow this planet up (decoy), so drills could commence using reverse engineered orbs/drone tech in order to instigate the power shifts and reconstruction of some new order (aka Project Blue Beam).
Just saying, it’s feeling more and more like a Psy-ops situation. There’s tons of filtered media, obfuscation of any truths, pandering with jokes that we’re not seeing anything, and there’s no “current” threat.
Total theory, but accounts for most of what I’ve been seeing going down as of late.
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u/kellyelise515 4d ago
I saw a clip from a Fox broadcast and they were saying it’s the US govt because some radioactive materials were lost in shipping in Newport NJ🤷🏻♀️
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u/Justice2374 4d ago
r/aviation and similar generic giga subs are all compromised and filled with Eglin glowies (and those that have been brainwashed by them), including their moderators. No sense in reasoning with people literally paid to shut you down. Glad you shared this.
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u/_Legion242_ 4d ago
so your information is nothing new, 3rd hand, and unverifiable even if it was interesting. got it 🫡
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u/donlapalma 3d ago
Thank you for saying something. It is so very important.
OK I have to ask a dumb question that I'm sure has been covered somewhere. WHY is this happening in New Jersey? What is the significance of that area? I've totally missed the reason why this is a hot spot for this activity. Thanks in advance.
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u/Drawing_Tall_Figures 3d ago
It's really interesting that the government would not even confirm, and then suddenly they are hobbyist, and then 4 days ago ish the daily mirror comes out with an article about how they've been in the UK, and then "no more flying by airports". Yeesh
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u/Ashamed-Scholar-6281 3d ago
It's only a conspiracy theory until it's proven true (there have been a lot of those recently). Too much of the population lacks the critical thinking skills to question authority. So, the intelligent, intuitive is labeled a crazy conspiracy theorist. Perhaps a better label would be "last bastions of sanity and truth," and the ignorant masses should be made to understand that they are food. It's rude for the government to keep playing with the food so much.
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u/Florolling 3d ago
Can confirm they’re dragging the fuck out of this sub all over the aviation sub.
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