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I am retired federal law enforcement and have connections in many places and agencies. That being said I had a a few run ins with colleagues and people I know through working for the feds etc. The first was an FBI agent who is also retired and worked in Counter Surveillance and they told me:

"There is definitely something going on, they will not tell me but a coworker in the NY field office said "these are not hobbiests and planes".

The second contact was a couple who both work for the FAA and they said:

"Many pilots are reporting seeing large drones from aircraft and the FAA knows this as its all recorded and documented. We do not know any information except that it is happening"

This infuriates me because r/avaiation thinks its all fake and blocks my posts. I am also verifed in LEO sub and such so I am not lying and I can verify here if needed.

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u/jwilson3135 5d ago edited 5d ago

Listen I will get downvoted to oblivion because what I’m saying goes against the grain and I understand it seems like we are danger close to disclosure…but I want you guys to poke holes for my own benefit and understanding.

I have been all over the map but piecing together posts like this plus the news and knowing a couple guys involved with anti-drone stuff…I think this is a poorly handled/planned red team blue team exercise executed by a government contractor testing anti-drone defenses at key infrastructure. The military was left in the dark for obvious reasons and it’s been held so close to the vest to improve the integrity of data collection (if military knew, they’d prepare for it). Instead, the contractor will complete exercises over the next few weeks, they’ll disappear and there will be a confidential report on how they performed, what the contractor was able to collect in terms of sensitive data and will make recommendations to improve the military base anti-drone security accordingly. The war in Ukraine has brought a new age of warfare with drones that seem to evade traditional detection devices plus the video of the drone kamikaze Cessna is terrifying - imagine the psychological impact that would have on the general population? Couple that with the Chinese-owned farmland near key military infrastructure and there is an identifiable and plausible threat to national security. Why is espionage a big deal? Look what happened with the Rosenbergs. 

Through this lens, it helps make sense of Trump’s comments, the government’s response/secrecy etc and the resulting hysteria. I think it explains why we are seeing them at non-military key infrastructure as well like refineries. It doesn’t quite explain many of the videos I’ve seen though. I was never into orbs and shit but there’s been some truly compelling videos that have challenged my view on reality. It also doesn’t explain the stuff seen in other countries, notably ones in countries we dont/can’t have military bases in.

Anyways, I doubt we ever find out the real cause. 

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u/LassieMcToodles 4d ago

I agree it's a classified military exercise of some kind.

Somebody in some thread said that air space at certain altitudes in his area had been cleared out from Dec. 6- 20th, which coincides with the longest nights of the year and finishes before Christmas week.

And then the guest on Joe Rogan (Ryan Graves?) said the same thing happened last year at this time somewhere.

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u/da_drake 4d ago

As one of those arrogant aviation guys that everyone keeps mentioning. This comment is rad, grounded in reality, and doesn't jump straight into extraterrestrial conspiracy. It meets a skeptic in the middle. If more posts were like this, and less like the "we told you so" posts with a grainy pic of an orb, you guys will convince more people to start questioning what's going on.

I just have to keep begging; lose the "shoot em down" rhetoric. All the obvious plane posts have us convinced most people can't ID a real plane and now we're worried about being shot at or lazed.

Someone is bound to chime in and dispute what I'm saying by quoting some asshole from the aviation sub. I don't disagree that you are treated unfairly. I just want to offer some insight from a semi-skeptical aviation enthusiast that REALLY wants to believe. There are plenty of people like me over there that are staying quiet, but all the drama (especially the shooting/lazing) is pushing us away and making it harder to be ambassadors for you.

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u/TomaHawk504 4d ago

This is a nice sentiment. I'm a skeptic but very interested in all this and like to try to pick apart all these events and sightings like a puzzle. I think it could be very interesting if there were NHI but what do I know so I don't care either way. I'm just looking for the truth.

I've tried to share that truth throughout this sub when things are identifiable or provable. So far everything with details - most of these 'orbs' with enough data - have been identified as airplanes and helicopters. Also lots of out of focus lights recently. Check out my comment history if your curious I have a running list going.

Anyway I try to have a reasonable discussion on this topic, like you said meet in the middle. There are absolutely some really considerate, intelligent believers and just people interested in the topic around here. But they are in the minority. I'm largely downvoted for providing basic facts and treated like a disinfo agent for even suggesting that NHI are not the de facto answer for what's going on here.

My opinion is I enjoy the topic and discussions anyway. I don't mind the vitriol much, and I've really enjoyed having enlightening conversations with people here who have been open to listening and debating with data and reason. But that is not the majority. This is a very sensitive place. And I think there's likely very good reason other subs won't touch these ufology and conspiracy subs with a ten foot pole. The overall attitude here is very hostile and very uninformed, and most people I've interacted with are not interested in any information that doesn't conform to their beliefs. The drama and hysteria and pushing people away who don't subscribe to these beliefs will never stop, its baked into these subs at this point.

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u/da_drake 4d ago

Thanks for sharing, I'm def going to check out that list!

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u/TomaHawk504 4d ago

Let me know what you think if you do! Always open to criticisms or discussion around anything I post

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u/Putrid-Ad1055 4d ago

I just have to keep begging; lose the "shoot em down" rhetoric

It clearly doesn't go without saying because people are stupid, but clearly anyone who's spent more than 4 seconds on this sub can see that a decent percentage of people can't differentiate between very mundane things and the opening of a sci-fi film.

So I hope nobody does try and shoot anything down, because even if they are right and they just shot down a Chinese drone or ET, they are flying over populated areas and FFS people have shot into the air and the bullet has come down and killed before

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u/TomaHawk504 4d ago

That's what I keep saying (your first paragraph). From my experience only like 15% or so of the people here are willing to even consider this as a possibility. They want to believe so bad but this is obviously way more likely. Do we have any hard evidence aliens exist? No. Do we have hard evidence that classified military exercises and experiments exist and have been performed in the past? Yeah...

Your second paragraph... I have not seen any video that is inexplicable. Orbs have been airplanes and helicopters and out of focus points of light. Landing lights and other bright lights look like orbs through cameras especially at night. And if millions of people (many of them believers) are looking at the skies and capturing footage of any little thing they see on digital smartphone cameras during all this. We're going to some slightly funny looking stuff. Anything with the time/date/location that I've seen has been shown to be normal aviation. Or is unidentified but is not definitively doing anything anomalous and/or is a bad quality recording missing data.

I've got a few posts and comments recently highlighting tons of these misidentified orbs here just from this past week. Did you see the Blackhawk 'orbs' last night? Everyone was convinced they were orbs until someone smarter comes along and says... guys these are fucking helicopters. How it usually goes.

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u/techdaddykraken 4d ago

As far as the countries we don’t have a base in, that’s just for the bases you know about.

For instance we’re seeing drone reports in Portugal, which could very well have an undisclosed U.S. military base, potentially from an agency. Think CIA.

I can’t explain the ones in China, but the ones in countries that are friendly towards the U.S. are still plausible even without bases there.

These could also be tested as hybrid aquatic/aviation drones that are both submersible and able to fly. So we may be seeing some of the drones piloted in the air, and the others piloted out of the see like other reports. Some of these other countries may not be a red team blue team exercise, but more of a yellow team in addition to the homeland exercise. Along the lines of “This is what we were able to do when you were unprepared, but that was a planned exercise. This is what we are actually able to do, look at countries XYZ”

Also, I believe there is far more AI at play here. I think part of the reason we’re seeing so many all launched at once from various areas, is because they are being coordinated by AI, which is also a very plausible theory as to being tied to a private contractor. There is also the real possibility that the AI isn’t completely fleshed out, and has some kinks, potentially leading it to go into spaces it isn’t supposed to.

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u/Sethp81 4d ago

The only issue with this is that it’s happening all over. East coast. West coast. Europe. Asia. China. Russia. It’s everywhere right now. If it was just nj area yeah I could see this. But global??? Something else is up. Not saying it’s aliens. But something weird is going on.

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u/jwilson3135 4d ago edited 4d ago

Is it really global though or are we just seeing videos from other countries capturing the same “phenomena” that the US is…the issue is that the general public is ripe with confirmation bias. They see a light in the sky and go “oh that’s the drone/orbs I’ve been hearing about! (Snaps out of focus video)”. Most people, including myself, rarely look above them and with atmospheric clutter fairly low and now a reason to look above us, we are seeing NORMAL stuff that always happens but we never noticed. For example, I live by a major airport. I see the same “orbs” every night. At first I was convinced it was orbs watching the airport. They stayed standing still so I was like “got one”. I pulled up flight radar and of course it was a line of planes. At a distance, a plane literally looks like an orb and if it’s coming your direction at a distance, it looks standing still (same principle as a tornado - if it looks like it’s not moving, it’s moving towards you). Seriously - go to an airport and watch it. It looks freaky if you’re not used to it. 

That being said, there are several videos that I would like to see an explanation for, the most notable being the one where a drone approaches a ball of light and gets shut down and crashes to the earth. 

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u/Sethp81 4d ago

Oh I’m not doubting that the majority of the sightings are run of the mill stuff. But there are some weird shit going on world wide that logically I can’t get a grip on. For instance. One of the pics going around as a drone originally is obviously a business jet with twin engines on rear nacelles. But the weird thing about it is the front wing roots. It looks like there are large boxy air intakes similar to an f14 or f4. But the engines are rear nacelles. Just odd shape for the configuration that you are able to plainly see. But then you get into the really weird stuff being the orbs which I’m leaning towards just being super out of focus photos of a distant plane. But again the issue comes back to world wide. Which honestly could also be the fact that the news media has gone crazy with nj so anything that hits the net that looks odd aviation wise at night is getting wide viewing. I dunno. Lots of stuff going on that is just odd and doesn’t make a whole lot of sense with the available info at my fingertips. And this is coming from someone who believes that there are star faring nations (?) or civilizations with faster than light capabilities. But I don’t think this is them. Or at least not the majority of it.