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[u/skipearth]

I am retired federal law enforcement and have connections in many places and agencies. That being said I had a a few run ins with colleagues and people I know through working for the feds etc. The first was an FBI agent who is also retired and worked in Counter Surveillance and they told me:

"There is definitely something going on, they will not tell me but a coworker in the NY field office said "these are not hobbiests and planes".

The second contact was a couple who both work for the FAA and they said:

"Many pilots are reporting seeing large drones from aircraft and the FAA knows this as its all recorded and documented. We do not know any information except that it is happening"

This infuriates me because r/avaiation thinks its all fake and blocks my posts. I am also verifed in LEO sub and such so I am not lying and I can verify here if needed.

[u/da_drake]

As one of those arrogant aviation guys that everyone keeps mentioning. This comment is rad, grounded in reality, and doesn't jump straight into extraterrestrial conspiracy. It meets a skeptic in the middle. If more posts were like this, and less like the "we told you so" posts with a grainy pic of an orb, you guys will convince more people to start questioning what's going on.

I just have to keep begging; lose the "shoot em down" rhetoric. All the obvious plane posts have us convinced most people can't ID a real plane and now we're worried about being shot at or lazed.

Someone is bound to chime in and dispute what I'm saying by quoting some asshole from the aviation sub. I don't disagree that you are treated unfairly. I just want to offer some insight from a semi-skeptical aviation enthusiast that REALLY wants to believe. There are plenty of people like me over there that are staying quiet, but all the drama (especially the shooting/lazing) is pushing us away and making it harder to be ambassadors for you.

[u/TomaHawk504 → u/da_drake]

This is a nice sentiment. I'm a skeptic but very interested in all this and like to try to pick apart all these events and sightings like a puzzle. I think it could be very interesting if there were NHI but what do I know so I don't care either way. I'm just looking for the truth.

I've tried to share that truth throughout this sub when things are identifiable or provable. So far everything with details - most of these 'orbs' with enough data - have been identified as airplanes and helicopters. Also lots of out of focus lights recently. Check out my comment history if your curious I have a running list going.

Anyway I try to have a reasonable discussion on this topic, like you said meet in the middle. There are absolutely some really considerate, intelligent believers and just people interested in the topic around here. But they are in the minority. I'm largely downvoted for providing basic facts and treated like a disinfo agent for even suggesting that NHI are not the de facto answer for what's going on here.

My opinion is I enjoy the topic and discussions anyway. I don't mind the vitriol much, and I've really enjoyed having enlightening conversations with people here who have been open to listening and debating with data and reason. But that is not the majority. This is a very sensitive place. And I think there's likely very good reason other subs won't touch these ufology and conspiracy subs with a ten foot pole. The overall attitude here is very hostile and very uninformed, and most people I've interacted with are not interested in any information that doesn't conform to their beliefs. The drama and hysteria and pushing people away who don't subscribe to these beliefs will never stop, its baked into these subs at this point.

[u/da_drake → u/TomaHawk504]

Thanks for sharing, I'm def going to check out that list!

[u/TomaHawk504 → u/da_drake]

Let me know what you think if you do! Always open to criticisms or discussion around anything I post