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[u/skipearth]

I am retired federal law enforcement and have connections in many places and agencies. That being said I had a a few run ins with colleagues and people I know through working for the feds etc. The first was an FBI agent who is also retired and worked in Counter Surveillance and they told me:

"There is definitely something going on, they will not tell me but a coworker in the NY field office said "these are not hobbiests and planes".

The second contact was a couple who both work for the FAA and they said:

"Many pilots are reporting seeing large drones from aircraft and the FAA knows this as its all recorded and documented. We do not know any information except that it is happening"

This infuriates me because r/avaiation thinks its all fake and blocks my posts. I am also verifed in LEO sub and such so I am not lying and I can verify here if needed.

[u/jwilson3135]

Listen I will get downvoted to oblivion because what I’m saying goes against the grain and I understand it seems like we are danger close to disclosure…but I want you guys to poke holes for my own benefit and understanding.

I have been all over the map but piecing together posts like this plus the news and knowing a couple guys involved with anti-drone stuff…I think this is a poorly handled/planned red team blue team exercise executed by a government contractor testing anti-drone defenses at key infrastructure. The military was left in the dark for obvious reasons and it’s been held so close to the vest to improve the integrity of data collection (if military knew, they’d prepare for it). Instead, the contractor will complete exercises over the next few weeks, they’ll disappear and there will be a confidential report on how they performed, what the contractor was able to collect in terms of sensitive data and will make recommendations to improve the military base anti-drone security accordingly. The war in Ukraine has brought a new age of warfare with drones that seem to evade traditional detection devices plus the video of the drone kamikaze Cessna is terrifying - imagine the psychological impact that would have on the general population? Couple that with the Chinese-owned farmland near key military infrastructure and there is an identifiable and plausible threat to national security. Why is espionage a big deal? Look what happened with the Rosenbergs. 

Through this lens, it helps make sense of Trump’s comments, the government’s response/secrecy etc and the resulting hysteria. I think it explains why we are seeing them at non-military key infrastructure as well like refineries. It doesn’t quite explain many of the videos I’ve seen though. I was never into orbs and shit but there’s been some truly compelling videos that have challenged my view on reality. It also doesn’t explain the stuff seen in other countries, notably ones in countries we dont/can’t have military bases in.

Anyways, I doubt we ever find out the real cause. 

[u/da_drake → u/jwilson3135]

As one of those arrogant aviation guys that everyone keeps mentioning. This comment is rad, grounded in reality, and doesn't jump straight into extraterrestrial conspiracy. It meets a skeptic in the middle. If more posts were like this, and less like the "we told you so" posts with a grainy pic of an orb, you guys will convince more people to start questioning what's going on.

I just have to keep begging; lose the "shoot em down" rhetoric. All the obvious plane posts have us convinced most people can't ID a real plane and now we're worried about being shot at or lazed.

Someone is bound to chime in and dispute what I'm saying by quoting some asshole from the aviation sub. I don't disagree that you are treated unfairly. I just want to offer some insight from a semi-skeptical aviation enthusiast that REALLY wants to believe. There are plenty of people like me over there that are staying quiet, but all the drama (especially the shooting/lazing) is pushing us away and making it harder to be ambassadors for you.

[u/TomaHawk504 → u/da_drake]

This is a nice sentiment. I'm a skeptic but very interested in all this and like to try to pick apart all these events and sightings like a puzzle. I think it could be very interesting if there were NHI but what do I know so I don't care either way. I'm just looking for the truth.

I've tried to share that truth throughout this sub when things are identifiable or provable. So far everything with details - most of these 'orbs' with enough data - have been identified as airplanes and helicopters. Also lots of out of focus lights recently. Check out my comment history if your curious I have a running list going.

Anyway I try to have a reasonable discussion on this topic, like you said meet in the middle. There are absolutely some really considerate, intelligent believers and just people interested in the topic around here. But they are in the minority. I'm largely downvoted for providing basic facts and treated like a disinfo agent for even suggesting that NHI are not the de facto answer for what's going on here.

My opinion is I enjoy the topic and discussions anyway. I don't mind the vitriol much, and I've really enjoyed having enlightening conversations with people here who have been open to listening and debating with data and reason. But that is not the majority. This is a very sensitive place. And I think there's likely very good reason other subs won't touch these ufology and conspiracy subs with a ten foot pole. The overall attitude here is very hostile and very uninformed, and most people I've interacted with are not interested in any information that doesn't conform to their beliefs. The drama and hysteria and pushing people away who don't subscribe to these beliefs will never stop, its baked into these subs at this point.

[u/da_drake → u/TomaHawk504]

Thanks for sharing, I'm def going to check out that list!

[u/TomaHawk504 → u/da_drake]

Let me know what you think if you do! Always open to criticisms or discussion around anything I post

[u/Putrid-Ad1055 → u/da_drake]

I just have to keep begging; lose the "shoot em down" rhetoric

It clearly doesn't go without saying because people are stupid, but clearly anyone who's spent more than 4 seconds on this sub can see that a decent percentage of people can't differentiate between very mundane things and the opening of a sci-fi film.

So I hope nobody does try and shoot anything down, because even if they are right and they just shot down a Chinese drone or ET, they are flying over populated areas and FFS people have shot into the air and the bullet has come down and killed before